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2012-05-22 02:19:46 PM
We should have another blackout day, but for real this time. Not just a splash page that redirects to the actual site... I wanted Google and Wikipedia to ACTUALLY be down for the entire day. That would wake people up.
 
2012-05-22 02:20:26 PM
They'll do it every year until they get what they want.
 
2012-05-22 02:28:27 PM
Hey, as long as politicians can be bought, this won't go away.
 
2012-05-22 02:33:15 PM
What we really need is a nationwide boycott of anything that puts money in these guys pockets. Let them go without revenue for a couple quarters and see how quick they change their tune.

In fact I've already started.
 
2012-05-22 02:34:05 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: They'll do it every year until they get what they want.


THIS

It's not going away. Why? Because absolute power corrupts absolutely. And though our (in)actions we have given our government and corporations almost absolute power. We have no one to blame but ourselves for choosing the easy path of compliance
 
2012-05-22 02:34:11 PM
"We're going to have to be more subtle and consumer-oriented," Dodd said of the new legislation that the MPAA will push, according to Variety

Because that's not at ALL creepy, right?

asshole.
 
2012-05-22 02:40:42 PM

Weaver95: "We're going to have to be more subtle and consumer-oriented," Dodd said of the new legislation that the MPAA will push, according to Variety

Because that's not at ALL creepy, right?

asshole.



It occurs to me that subtlety and consumer orientedness aren't exactly Hollywood's strong points. So maybe there's hope.
 
2012-05-22 02:42:17 PM

Secret Agent X23: Weaver95: "We're going to have to be more subtle and consumer-oriented," Dodd said of the new legislation that the MPAA will push, according to Variety

Because that's not at ALL creepy, right?

asshole.


It occurs to me that subtlety and consumer orientedness aren't exactly Hollywood's strong points. So maybe there's hope.


no, they'll come up with a slick advertising campaign and just lie to people. And then the idiots will support whatever Dodd wants....because we're a nation of idiot children.
 
2012-05-22 02:54:09 PM
Farking Chris Dodd.
 
2012-05-22 03:19:18 PM

Weaver95: no, they'll come up with a slick advertising campaign and just lie to people. And then the idiots will support whatever Dodd wants....because we're a nation of idiot children.


Realistically, yes. And they'll spread around so much money that the lies won't even have to be convincing.
 
2012-05-22 03:24:58 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: They'll do it every year until they get what they want.


Which is why we need to remain vigilant against such legislation.
 
2012-05-22 03:41:25 PM
www.clubchopper.com

/hot
 
2012-05-22 03:42:52 PM

Marcus Aurelius: What we really need is a nationwide boycott of anything that puts money in these guys pockets. Let them go without revenue for a couple quarters and see how quick they change their tune.

In fact I've already started.


so have I.

but in the long run I assume they are working on legislation that will require that software be preloaded in google glasses to charge me if I purposely or accidentally see some of their content.

...or any content.
 
2012-05-22 03:43:53 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

I vote we just call the next bill SOAP
 
2012-05-22 03:44:03 PM
Well, if they actually make some sensible changes, I don't think it will be a bad thing. However, I fully do not expect that to happen.

Luckily my company was an vocal opponent to SOPA, our CEO was even supposed to speak to Congress the day of the vote before it died.
 
2012-05-22 03:44:51 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: They'll do it every year until they get what they want.


And every time they do, it will be more difficult to rally sites/companies/people against it.

I'm almost to the point where I WANT then to pass whatever damn laws they choose. More and less friendly DRM. Bigger and more severe punishments for pirates. Hell, send cops around door-to-door to make sure there aren't more than 3 people watching or listening to a piece of media without permission.

All it's going to do is convince more people that hey, maybe I don't really give a shiat about Transformers 12 or Call of Duty: This Time With Hats.
 
2012-05-22 03:53:11 PM

Sticky Hands: but in the long run I assume they are working on legislation that will require that software be preloaded in google glasses to charge me if I purposely or accidentally see some of their content.

...or any content.


At this point they only thing DRM does is encourage me to pirate stuff so I don't have to deal with the DRM

/also not buy games like Diablo 3 because at some point taking it up the ass from Blizzard every time I want to play their game isn't worth it anymore.
 
2012-05-22 03:54:13 PM
Cant google just delist these guys?

If they care so much about Internet openness why don't they just black Hollywood and the mpaa out for a week.

/sets a bad precedent and bad for business but boy would that be awesome
 
2012-05-22 03:54:18 PM
Time to invest in proxies.
 
2012-05-22 03:54:19 PM
I can't do another sopa day here on Fark, it was pure madness.
 
2012-05-22 03:56:10 PM

jayhawk88: I'm almost to the point where I WANT then to pass whatever damn laws they choose.


Same here. I want them to get their way so no one will buy their product anymore. I'm assuming they won't then pass a law that mandates buying it anyway, and I know that is a gamble.
 
2012-05-22 04:00:11 PM

Weaver95: "We're going to have to be more subtle and consumer-oriented," Dodd said of the new legislation that the MPAA will push, according to Variety

Because that's not at ALL creepy, right?

asshole.


Well, if they were consumer-oriented, they wouldn't need a law like that. If I could buy what I wanted, I would.
 
2012-05-22 04:02:09 PM
[This post has been removed due to a copyright claim by Motion Picture Ass. of America]
 
2012-05-22 04:02:22 PM
I'm wondering if SOPA was deliberately meant to be ridiculous, so all the attention goes to SOPA and when we all think we won they ninja something else in.

Anyway, the battle's not over - shiat like this is going to keep on coming and I suspect we'll lose bits and pieces of the battle so slowly we don't even realize it.
 
2012-05-22 04:04:18 PM
Whatever you come up with, people will work around it.

Back in my day, kids copied computer games. We got someone's tape recorder, wired it to another tape recorder and copied it. I copied a VHS tape by linking up a buddy's VCR.

The only reason we didn't copy a whole lot more stuff is because it took so farking long. Today? Kids could just go around their buddy's house and just copy a load of movies over from a USB drive. 70MBps on USB3, so what's that? Around 10-15 seconds to copy each movie. Then they'll take it to their cousin's house, or whatever, or they'll just set up private FTP directories.

Or you can just ignore kids, who will pirate anyway, and concentrate on making things easy for adults to buy movies and have them stored on their own media as a jukebox to play and make good money, shiatheads.
 
2012-05-22 04:05:31 PM
It won't be long before they start demanding the scans of hard drives for past infractions into Copyright Infringement to catch the other 99.9% of the world that did their downloading prior to them learning how to catch online pirates.

Mark my words.
 
2012-05-22 04:06:42 PM
Work hard on that headline, submitter?
 
2012-05-22 04:06:51 PM

Voiceofreason01: also not buy games like Diablo 3 because at some point taking it up the ass from Blizzard every time I want to play their game isn't worth it anymore.


THIS

Any suggestions for Diablo-like games on Steam? Someone suggested one on another thread but I forgot its name.
 
2012-05-22 04:07:37 PM

farkeruk: Voiceofreason01: also not buy games like Diablo 3 because at some point taking it up the ass from Blizzard every time I want to play their game isn't worth it anymore.

THIS

Any suggestions for Diablo-like games on Steam? Someone suggested one on another thread but I forgot its name.


Torchlight is a fairly popular one.
 
2012-05-22 04:08:56 PM

jayhawk88: All it's going to do is convince more people that hey, maybe I don't really give a shiat about Transformers 12 or Call of Duty: This Time With Hats.


Hey, Team Fortress 2 is a great game, mister.
 
2012-05-22 04:09:05 PM

How about no? Does no work for you?

I spend my money on things that I enjoy. Crappy music and movies are not those things so I choose not to buy them. I happily buy good music and movies, though my particular weakness is computer games.

Want to reduce movie piracy? Let people who want to pay for your products do so -- right now the situation is like this: people like your content and want to buy it, but cannot. Piracy shouldn't be a surprise when services like Netflix are limited in the content they're allowed to stream and have to apply geographic limitations. Allow Netflix (and other services like Amazon) to offer more content and offer it in other markets (Europe and Australia would love such a service. Offer it in Asia, South America, and Africa at reasonable prices for those markets and people will gladly subscribe.) and you're about 90% of the way there.

Russia has high levels of piracy, but Steam now sells games in Russia and is making money hand-over-fist. Gabe Newell, Valve's co-founder, had this to say about their strategy:

It seems other games companies who had tried to penetrate Russia hadn't done so due to a the infamous levels of piracy. "The people who are telling you that Russians pirate everything are the people who wait six months to localize their product into Russia," said Newell. "It doesn't take much in terms of providing a better service to make pirates a non-issue."

[...]

[Valve] offered the carrot instead of the crowbar. "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work," Newell said. "It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates."
Words to live by.

Right now, the pirates provide a better service in regards to movies: no DRM, a variety of formats, and simultaneous global availability. Slapping more FBI warnings and DRM on media won't solve the problem, but it will annoy legitimate users and turn them to piracy.

/has entirely too many games in his Steam library.
 
2012-05-22 04:09:30 PM
Disgruntled Goat
Work hard on that headline, submitter?

No it is stolen
 
2012-05-22 04:10:16 PM

DeltaPunch: We should have another blackout day, but for real this time. Not just a splash page that redirects to the actual site... I wanted Google and Wikipedia to ACTUALLY be down for the entire day. That would wake people up.


And the anti-trust hammer would come down on Google super hard. Hell, they might pull a "national interest" and force Google to stay on at the point of a bayonet. The collateral damage to "innocent bystanders" if Google went down would be pretty bad.
 
2012-05-22 04:11:58 PM

farkeruk: Any suggestions for Diablo-like games on Steam? Someone suggested one on another thread but I forgot its name.


Torchlight comes free with a pre-purchase of Torchlight 2 ($19.99) OR Titan Quest. I own both games, and both are excellent Diablo clones.

Torchlight has TONS of User Generated Content to use, as well. I've been enjoying the Hell out of it for the last week or two. Both are a few years old, but as fun as D2 any day of the week. I actually enjoy TL1 more than any of the Diablo games because of all the custom mods that can be added to fully flesh out the game.
 
2012-05-22 04:12:50 PM

DeltaPunch: We should have another blackout day, but for real this time. Not just a splash page that redirects to the actual site... I wanted Google and Wikipedia to ACTUALLY be down for the entire day. That would wake people up.


I propose an alternative method of using a "splash page", but imbed code to automatically send a request to the MPAA's website each time an individual attempts to access a "darkened" site. Perhaps the user could be redirected to a "contact" page on the MPAA website, after a brief delay, so that they may express their dismay at corporate control of government.
 
2012-05-22 04:14:31 PM
Only the Kardashians can save us now.

/calls doctor, checks medication
 
2012-05-22 04:14:58 PM
Stupid bureaucratic morans. The piracy issue is a lot more simplistic to solve than legislating the fark out of it...make delivery of legal, purchased content easier/just as easy as the pirate method.

You will never stop piracy...EVER! There will always be folks who will steal, no matter what. Murder is illegal, yet folks are murdered every day. Creating more laws against murder will not lower the murder rate.

I believe that most people want to pay a reasonable price for entertainment, that is reasonably accessible.

Creating/adhering to outdated distribution models and income streams is foolish. Today's customer is far more savvy than they were a mere 20 years ago. Adapt and we will spend!

I for one (and I know I am not the only one) am more than willing to spend $30 to rent a new theatrical release in my home, that I can pause, rewind and not have to be bothered by annoying text messaging teens. I have invested some fine coin into my home entertainment system (over $4000 between TV and speakers), help me utilize it!

Hollywood: Oh, but you may have 5 friends over to watch the movie and that does not fit into our expected profits...
Me: Yeah? Well, my 5 friends and I were not planning on going to the movie theater anyway...so here is $30 or nothing!


On the other hand - Hey Hollywood - If you started creating better movies/better entertainment, you may see your profits rise. When the trailer contains 9/10 of the funniest/most dramatic/most romantic/etc. moments, you've got a problem.

We as a society of consumers are bombarded more and more by more entertainment options. The availability of entertainment is more prominent than ever. I can watch almost anything I want and never leave my couch. I fully believe that the over saturation of entertainment is a contributing factor to losses in revenue for Hollywood.
 
2012-05-22 04:19:52 PM
I know where they can push their SOPA follow-up.
 
2012-05-22 04:20:30 PM

Jubeebee: jayhawk88: All it's going to do is convince more people that hey, maybe I don't really give a shiat about Transformers 12 or Call of Duty: This Time With Hats.

Hey, Team Fortress 2 is a great game, mister.


yep, the Hats are my mostest favoriteist part.
 
2012-05-22 04:21:07 PM
Not to worry. Most sequels follow the same plot and end the same way.
 
2012-05-22 04:21:26 PM

Jubeebee: jayhawk88: All it's going to do is convince more people that hey, maybe I don't really give a shiat about Transformers 12 or Call of Duty: This Time With Hats.

Hey, Team Fortress 2 is a great game, mister.


Have you played Super Monday Night Combat? I've been having a lot of fun with that. Free on Steam. A tower defense FPS with RPG elements and customization.
 
2012-05-22 04:23:58 PM

heypete: Right now, the pirates provide a better service in regards to movies: no DRM, a variety of formats, and simultaneous global availability. Slapping more FBI warnings and DRM on media won't solve the problem, but it will annoy legitimate users and turn them to piracy.

/has entirely too many games in his Steam library.


For some reason, distributors feel the need to put 'bloatware' in everything they sell. For movies, it's advertisements for new movies coming to theater or DVD or other selections of their library similar to what you put in the DVD player. For CD's, it's inserts into the CD Case.


At least when buying online from Amazon.com, I just download it straight to my hard drive, and I can't imagine a Torrent d/ling any faster. It takes about 2 minutes for me to download an entire album from Amazon.com when I purchase them there. I have the choice of 99 cents a song, or a whole album of 9-14 songs for 8.99 to 9.99. That is the perfect scenario for me to purchase and receive my media.

With Video Games, it's constant internet connection, or creating yet another account for the game developer or distributor and if I can't authenticate I either get limited availability to the game, no save options, or can't play it at all. They are supposedly doing this to stave off Piracy. But, look at Steam, they deliver the product, available offline or online (though some developers still require online authentication of the game, or an internet connection to play and save it), and it's easily found, purchased and delivered to me in an easy click and purchase method. It work so well, Microsoft adopted their own version called Origin for them and EA to distribute games. If they put Madden back on PC's with this service, I will start using it.

And there in lies the issue: We're a point and click society, piracy will STILL happen, but if you make it easier to actually buy and use the product than it is to pirate the thing, people will pay cash to get it. Most pirates don't really like to pirate, it's easier (and cheaper, of course), and most that I've heard of all say the say thing: Deliver the product to me as the product, not the product wrapped in BS I don't want, like commercials and DRM. Just the product, and nothing but.

There's also the crowd that refuses to pay for the shiat the companies are shuffling out. Their argument is along the lines: There's no way I'm going to pay money to see (Wrath Of The Titans, Battleship, etc), yet they still want to see if so they download it. That's the crowd of pirates I don't understand. It's not worth money to be entertainment to you? At least pick it up at Redbox or something, or watch it on netflix.

That being said, my Steam Account is almost up to $2,000 now. 105 games loaded, aw yeah!
 
2012-05-22 04:24:25 PM

Voiceofreason01: Sticky Hands: but in the long run I assume they are working on legislation that will require that software be preloaded in google glasses to charge me if I purposely or accidentally see some of their content.

...or any content.

At this point they only thing DRM does is encourage me to pirate stuff so I don't have to deal with the DRM

/also not buy games like Diablo 3 because at some point taking it up the ass from Blizzard every time I want to play their game isn't worth it anymore.


I cannont say THIS loud enough. They plan on putting another video warning on legal copies of DVD and Blu-Ray's, how does that help? All it does is piss off the people who legally purchased it, that will teach um.
 
2012-05-22 04:24:35 PM

HST's Dead Carcass : Torchlight comes free with a pre-purchase of Torchlight 2 ($19.99) OR Titan Quest. I own both games, and both are excellent Diablo clones.

Torchlight has TONS of User Generated Content to use, as well. I've been enjoying the Hell out of it for the last week or two. Both are a few years old, but as fun as D2 any day of the week. I actually enjoy TL1 more than any of the Diablo games because of all the custom mods that can be added to fully flesh out the game.


Thanks (and to everyone else that suggested Torchlight). I'll give it a go.
 
2012-05-22 04:26:04 PM

Endive Wombat: I for one (and I know I am not the only one) am more than willing to spend $30 to rent a new theatrical release in my home, that I can pause, rewind and not have to be bothered by annoying text messaging teens. I have invested some fine coin into my home entertainment system (over $4000 between TV and speakers), help me utilize it!

Hollywood: Oh, but you may have 5 friends over to watch the movie and that does not fit into our expected profits...
Me: Yeah? Well, my 5 friends and I were not planning on going to the movie theater anyway...so here is $30 or nothing!


On the other hand - Hey Hollywood - If you started creating better movies/better entertainment, you may see your profits rise. When the trailer contains 9/10 of the funniest/most dramatic/most romantic/etc. moments, you've got a problem.

We as a society of consumers are bombarded more and more by more entertainment options. The availability of entertainment is more prominent than ever. I can watch almost anything I want and never leave my couch. I fully believe that the over saturation of entertainment is a contributing factor to losses in revenue for Hollywood.


Thirty bucks for a rental? You're serious?

Going that way would be the absolute last move they should make. As it is, rental and cheap copies at the store are enough- if I can find what I want for $5, I'm happy. I'll pay for a version I can keep. Go to thirty, though? Buying is not an option.
 
2012-05-22 04:29:18 PM

heypete: How about no? Does no work for you?

I spend my money on things that I enjoy. Crappy music and movies are not those things so I choose not to buy them. I happily buy good music and movies, though my particular weakness is computer games.

Want to reduce movie piracy? Let people who want to pay for your products do so -- right now the situation is like this: people like your content and want to buy it, but cannot. Piracy shouldn't be a surprise when services like Netflix are limited in the content they're allowed to stream and have to apply geographic limitations. Allow Netflix (and other services like Amazon) to offer more content and offer it in other markets (Europe and Australia would love such a service. Offer it in Asia, South America, and Africa at reasonable prices for those markets and people will gladly subscribe.) and you're about 90% of the way there.


Sometimes the company that owns the US rights to something is different than the company that owns the European rights. Legally, the company that owns the US rights has to block Europeans from downloading it. This sort of thing explains a large amount of arbitrary blocks like this.
 
2012-05-22 04:29:30 PM

farkeruk: HST's Dead Carcass : Torchlight comes free with a pre-purchase of Torchlight 2 ($19.99) OR Titan Quest. I own both games, and both are excellent Diablo clones.

Torchlight has TONS of User Generated Content to use, as well. I've been enjoying the Hell out of it for the last week or two. Both are a few years old, but as fun as D2 any day of the week. I actually enjoy TL1 more than any of the Diablo games because of all the custom mods that can be added to fully flesh out the game.

Thanks (and to everyone else that suggested Torchlight). I'll give it a go.


Off to Amazon.....................

It's only $18.69 new, I know what my next PC game is going to be.
 
2012-05-22 04:30:03 PM

SoCalSurfer: Cant google just delist these guys?

If they care so much about Internet openness why don't they just black Hollywood and the mpaa out for a week.

/sets a bad precedent and bad for business but boy would that be awesome


Google believes in actual freedom of speech/expression. Delisting them would. E censorship, which google clearly opposes.

IGNORE CHINA DAMNIT.
 
2012-05-22 04:30:24 PM

farkeruk: Thanks (and to everyone else that suggested Torchlight). I'll give it a go.


Considering you get it free with TL2 Pre-purchase, it's worth $19.99 for both games, that's a steal of a deal. Make sure to go to Runic Games website to find all the mobs. The Jarcho mod is a complete package of fun and it's free!
 
2012-05-22 04:31:29 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: That being said, my Steam Account is almost up to $2,000 now. 105 games loaded, aw yeah!


$1889.50 USD.

151 games.

Goddamn, it's easy to lose track.
 
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