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(Politico)   Candidate promises to smoke a joint on the steps of Capitol Hill to draw attention to the, uh..., the, uh...yeah...the thing. That thing thing there that he was talking about. You know, that thing   (politico.com) divider line 54
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2012-05-22 12:26:24 PM  
you don't taunt the DEA....they'll destroy you without a second thought.
 
2012-05-22 02:00:22 PM  
marijuana hinders short-term memory, making it difficult to remember what you were just talking about. i think that's what is causing subby's problems with this headline. maybe next time he forgets what he's talking about, he should try re-reading the first part of the sentence he just wrote.
 
2012-05-22 02:01:03 PM  
Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.
 
2012-05-22 02:02:41 PM  

thomps: marijuana hinders short-term memory, making it difficult to remember what you were just talking about. i think that's what is causing subby's problems with this headline. maybe next time he forgets what he's talking about, he should try re-reading the first part of the sentence he just wrote.


It also hinders short-term memory, making it difficult to remember what you were just talking about. .
 
2012-05-22 02:02:44 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


The answer is "no." Which is why there's been such a push towards legality in recent months/years.
 
2012-05-22 02:03:19 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


i remember hearing somewhere that marijuana funds terrorism like the 9/11 attacks.
 
2012-05-22 02:05:12 PM  

LasersHurt: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

The answer is "no." Which is why there's been such a push towards legality in recent months/years.


The problem is that it has been the last 30 years. Who cares? Really? I am not a pot smoker--never was--it didn't do it for me. It clearly is less harmful and less problematic(if it was legal, at least) than booze.

/please leave my horrible booze habit alone
//please
 
2012-05-22 02:08:07 PM  
Man, you should totally do that! It'll blow the squares minds man.
 
2012-05-22 02:11:01 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.



The only thing i can think of is that it is harmful to peoples short-term memory, right up until the age of 30 when your brain chemistry goes through a significant change, and pot becomes BENEFICIAL to ones short AND long term memory, particularly alzheimers.
 
2012-05-22 02:11:48 PM  
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/approve
 
2012-05-22 02:11:59 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society. That isn't to say that pot is as addictive as heroin or that if you smoke it once your life is going to fall apart, but legalization provides tacit approval from society that altering your mind for kicks is 'ok'.

I do, however, think it should be available to patients as medicine if a Doctor proscribes it- in the same way Morphine is available though dangerous if abused. But I think it is a good thing for society to frown upon recreational drug use, as citizens could be doing something more meaningful with their lives.

/yes, I understand the irony of talking about being a productive member of society while sitting on Fark all day.
 
2012-05-22 02:13:05 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


Why? The opposite works for guns.
 
2012-05-22 02:17:18 PM  

justtray: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

Why? The opposite works for guns.


Brilliant idea. Legalize it by making self-defense arguments. Some guy breaks into your house, offer him a joint and some chips. Problem solved!
 
2012-05-22 02:17:37 PM  

Smoking GNU: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


The only thing i can think of is that it is harmful to peoples short-term memory, right up until the age of 30 when your brain chemistry goes through a significant change, and pot becomes BENEFICIAL to ones short AND long term memory, particularly alzheimers.


While the short-term memory loss is true, that can also be applied to use of alcohol, as it inhibits REM. Of course, some talking point being applicable to other drugs that are legal has never stopped these people from repeating it ad nauseum. Look at the recent "some people are using marijuana in CA for reasons other than legitimate medical conditions" talking point. Same can be said for any painkiller out there, but for some reason they just ignore that.
 
2012-05-22 02:19:28 PM  

OceanVortex: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society.


Soo... by that logic you want to eliminate alcohol?

If I smoke, no matter how much I smoke, I may be 'high' for a little bit, but after an hour or so after I stop I'm back to normal. IF I drink a 6 pack I'm basically farked up for hours.
 
2012-05-22 02:21:49 PM  
If we could just get Lamar Smith to stop cock-blocking it, H.R.2306, the Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011, might resolve this issue once and for all...
 
2012-05-22 02:21:51 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


I don't need a reason.
 
2012-05-22 02:33:20 PM  

OceanVortex: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society. That isn't to say that pot is as addictive as heroin or that if you smoke it once your life is going to fall apart, but legalization provides tacit approval from society that altering your mind for kicks is 'ok'.

I do, however, think it should be available to patients as medicine if a Doctor proscribes it- in the same way Morphine is available though dangerous if abused. But I think it is a good thing for society to frown upon recreational drug use, as citizens could be doing something more meaningful with their lives.

/yes, I understand the irony of talking about being a productive member of society while sitting on Fark all day.


The thing with liberty though is that as a member of a free society you are not indentured to be a "productive member of society" If pissing your life away is what you want then that is your right. People piss their lives away everyday sans pot anyways ...e.g. surfing the internet and playing video games are huge distractions that provide temporary contentment; shall we ban them as well because they are curving people's productivity?
 
2012-05-22 02:35:10 PM  

OceanVortex: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society. That isn't to say that pot is as addictive as heroin or that if you smoke it once your life is going to fall apart, but legalization provides tacit approval from society that altering your mind for kicks is 'ok'.

I do, however, think it should be available to patients as medicine if a Doctor proscribes it- in the same way Morphine is available though dangerous if abused. But I think it is a good thing for society to frown upon recreational drug use, as citizens could be doing something more meaningful with their lives.

/yes, I understand the irony of talking about being a productive member of society while sitting on Fark all day.


I get where you're coming from, but that argument doesn't work when we have more dangerous substances (alcohol) that are perfectly legal and more apt to become a problem after a sustained period of use. And not only do we approve of ingesting mind altering substances for kicks--with booze, we've made it into a marketing tool.

Alcohol also disproves your contention that everyone who lights up will suddenly decide to "turn on, tune in, and drop out" if pot was suddenly legal. People drink alcohol and don't suddenly turn into alcoholics. It's a problem for some, but not all. And pot is infinitely easier to quit after a prolonged period of use. I should know, I was able to do it with no problem and I was a POTHEAD (emphasis because I reeeaaaallly liked smoking pot). After fifteen years of mostly daily smoking I decided to quit. Not because I needed to, but because it became too much of a pain in the arse to find. And you know what? It was easy, even easier than quitting biting my fingernails. In fact, it was the easiest habit I've ever had to end. And I bet there are millions out there who share a story similar to mine.

Don't get me wrong, if it is ever legalized I'll be right back on the vape. And you know what? If I had to choose between pot and booze, there would be no contest at all.

Pot wins, every time.
 
2012-05-22 02:40:21 PM  

OceanVortex: The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking


Sorry, my bad. I didn't register the bolded part of your post. The rest of my post still stands.
 
2012-05-22 02:41:46 PM  
I can't remember what I was going to type here.
 
2012-05-22 02:43:09 PM  

Balder333: OceanVortex: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society.

Soo... by that logic you want to eliminate alcohol?

If I smoke, no matter how much I smoke, I may be 'high' for a little bit, but after an hour or so after I stop I'm back to normal. IF I drink a 6 pack I'm basically farked up for hours.


THIS.

When I consume any alcohol my day is over which is why I only consume at night before bed watching TV or something.

Furthermore, I'm sick of the "pot makes you lazy and less ambitious" argument. I have 30 year old friends that have never used and are currently sitting in their parents basements doing absolutely nothing but video gaming. On the flip side, I have friends that use regularly that hold great jobs and aspire to improve their lives. I don't believe the substance changes the person, I ambition or the lack there of is a character trait.
 
2012-05-22 02:43:26 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


Marijuana killed my father. And raped my mother.
 
2012-05-22 02:44:20 PM  

MayoSlather: ...The thing with liberty though is that as a member of a free society you are not indentured to be a "productive member of society" If pissing your life away is what you want then that is your right. People piss their lives away everyday sans pot anyways ...e.g. surfing the internet and playing video games are huge distractions that provide temporary contentment; shall we ban them as well because they are curving people's productivity?


You make a very good point. Who am I to go around declaring someone 'productive' vs. 'not productive' based on how they choose to distract themselves.

Perhaps the answer would then be to have it be legal, though very carefully restricted and controlled, and then begin education programs to the public saying "it's legal, but don't use it" like with tobacco?
 
2012-05-22 02:46:47 PM  
Meet the Representative of Druggachusettes.
 
2012-05-22 02:47:21 PM  

Bmore O's: Furthermore, I'm sick of the "pot makes you lazy and less ambitious" argument. I have 30 year old friends that have never used and are currently sitting in their parents basements doing absolutely nothing but video gaming. On the flip side, I have friends that use regularly that hold great jobs and aspire to improve their lives. I don't believe the substance changes the person, I ambition or the lack there of is a character trait.


Wouldn't that just come down to one having the money and one not?

On the other hand, you now have an awesome excuse to be lazy:
"Why should I work hard? I mean, I'll just end up having money to buy pot. Do you want me to buy pot? No, didn't think so. Move; you're blocking the screen."
 
P0e
2012-05-22 02:51:23 PM  
Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1 of the Constitution:
[members of both houses of Congress] ...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Bring in a doobie and smoke it on the house floor. That way its not a crime at all.
 
2012-05-22 02:55:39 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Bmore O's: Furthermore, I'm sick of the "pot makes you lazy and less ambitious" argument. I have 30 year old friends that have never used and are currently sitting in their parents basements doing absolutely nothing but video gaming. On the flip side, I have friends that use regularly that hold great jobs and aspire to improve their lives. I don't believe the substance changes the person, I ambition or the lack there of is a character trait.

Wouldn't that just come down to one having the money and one not?

On the other hand, you now have an awesome excuse to be lazy:
"Why should I work hard? I mean, I'll just end up having money to buy pot. Do you want me to buy pot? No, didn't think so. Move; you're blocking the screen."


They have the money to play current games so the money is coming from somewhere(parents).
 
2012-05-22 02:57:16 PM  
FTFA: "I have a lot of talents - I do Internet work, I do video, I'm making my own television commercials for my congressional campaign..."

His videos are about as good as you'd expect, but still /miles/ better than the Orly Taitz campaign horrorshow.
 
2012-05-22 02:57:43 PM  

P0e: Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1 of the Constitution:
[members of both houses of Congress] ...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Bring in a doobie and smoke it on the house floor. That way its not a crime at all.


except for the "felony" part ..
 
2012-05-22 02:59:23 PM  

OceanVortex: rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.

Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society. That isn't to say that pot is as addictive as heroin or that if you smoke it once your life is going to fall apart, but legalization provides tacit approval from society that altering your mind for kicks is 'ok'.

I do, however, think it should be available to patients as medicine if a Doctor proscribes it- in the same way Morphine is available though dangerous if abused. But I think it is a good thing for society to frown upon recreational drug use, as citizens could be doing something more meaningful with their lives.

/yes, I understand the irony of talking about being a productive member of society while sitting on Fark all day.


Alcohol provides a mind-altering experience like marijuana does. Alcohol also provides many health and medical benefits when consumed in moderation, much like marijuana does. What is different between alcohol and marijuana are the potential risks to the user and to others by the user. Marijuana poses a small risk to users and very little risk to others; nobody has ever died from a marijuana overdose, recorded deaths from long-term marijuana use are few and far between (if they even exist), and people driving while high are at least as safe as people driving while sober. In contrast, alcohol has tons of dangers to the user and to others; people frequently die from alcohol poisoning, thousands of alcoholics die from cirrhosis every year, and drunk driving kills innocent bystanders more frequently than the drunks causing the crashes. In fact, alcohol is the ONLY drug that medical organizations have ever said causes more harm to others than it does to the user. Making marijuana only legal medically while keeping alcohol legal to everyone over 21 is downright stupid and flies in the face of all scientific evidence we have collected on drug use.
 
2012-05-22 03:00:41 PM  

AeAe: P0e: Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1 of the Constitution:
[members of both houses of Congress] ...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Bring in a doobie and smoke it on the house floor. That way its not a crime at all.

except for the "felony" part ..


Is possessing and consuming a single joint a federal felony or a felony in DC?
 
2012-05-22 03:01:42 PM  

OceanVortex: Perhaps the answer would then be to have it be legal, though very carefully restricted and controlled, and then begin education programs to the public saying "it's legal, but don't use it" like with tobacco?


Well, yeah. Nobody's ever asked for it to be regulation-free (libertarians don't count because they're insane). It's no more dangerous than cigarettes or beer and it should be treated like cigarettes or beer, with age restrictions, driving restrictions, taxes and so on.
 
2012-05-22 03:05:28 PM  

rudemix: Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal? Things like 'it should be illegal because it's illegal' do not count.


Best defense of keeping it illegal Ive heard is "we already have enough legal intoxicants, do we really need more?"

/but seriously, lets legalize it.
//habitual smoker here.
 
2012-05-22 03:06:00 PM  

Weaver95: you don't taunt the DEA....they'll destroy you without a second thought.


they don't care about some guy with a joint, they target people who flagrantly display their black market wealth; they seize cars and properties to be resold at po-po auctions with profits going to... the po-po.

/um....nope, subby
//[HERO] MY ASS
/lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-05-22 03:12:32 PM  
Caffrey, who is single and lives alone in an apartment in Garberville, Humboldt County, says marijuana helps him deal with attention deficit disorder and complex posttraumatic stress disorder - which resulted, he says, from a list of traumas including his sister's suicide and having been homeless for five years.

He seems a little too stable for Congress.
 
2012-05-22 03:28:10 PM  

Serious Black: Alcohol provides a mind-altering experience like marijuana does. Alcohol also provides many health and medical benefits when consumed in moderation, much like marijuana does. What is different between alcohol and marijuana are the potential risks to the user and to others by the user. Marijuana poses a small risk to users and very little risk to others; nobody has ever died from a marijuana overdose, recorded deaths from long-term marijuana use are few and far between (if they even exist), and people driving while high are at least as safe as people driving while sober. In contrast, alcohol has tons of dangers to the user and to others; people frequently die from alcohol poisoning, thousands of alcoholics die from cirrhosis every year, and drunk driving kills innocent bystanders more frequently than the drunks causing the crashes. In fact, alcohol is the ONLY drug that medical organizations have ever said causes more harm to others than it does to the user. Making marijuana only legal medically while keeping alcohol legal to everyone over 21 is downright stupid and flies in the face of all scientific evidence we have collected on drug use.


I agree, though it appears you are just arguing that Alcohol is worse and therefore Alcohol should also be illegal. (I assume this was not your intent).

To me, the argument "well, there are worse things for you that are legal" would lead to the logical argument that those worse things should then be made illegal, rather than make the less bad thing legal. (Again, I don't think either of us are advocating for that position, but I'm trying to say that isn't a compelling argument in my book).
 
2012-05-22 03:35:56 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: OceanVortex: Perhaps the answer would then be to have it be legal, though very carefully restricted and controlled, and then begin education programs to the public saying "it's legal, but don't use it" like with tobacco?

Well, yeah. Nobody's ever asked for it to be regulation-free (libertarians don't count because they're insane). It's no more dangerous than cigarettes or beer and it should be treated like cigarettes or beer, with age restrictions, driving restrictions, taxes and so on.


When Marijuana is legalized I believe there should be three basic criteria for it's distribution.

1-The legal age of Marijuana should be left up to the states, but the minimum is 18 and the maximum is 24. States may also elect to be "Dry" states where Marijuana may not be sold. However, in all states marijuana is decriminalized. You shouldn't be arrested because you are rolling in a "Dry" state (Say, Tennessee) because you bought some weed in New York. Still, smokers should learn the local rules before smoking. (No weed in bars laws, age restrictions, etc., or whatever may pass) It's their tax dollars, let them partake or not.

2-All Marijuana should be deemed USDA Organic. I can already see big Tobacco companies who get in the reefer business seriously messing up Marijuana to actually make it addictive with additives or Nicotine fillers. Marijuana can only be sold as Marijuana as a pure plant and only organically. Manufacturers can sell the marijuana prerolled in cigarettes or such ONLY if the marijuana is contained within is pure and additive free. Marijuana oils, butters, balms, or tablets should not be sold unless distributed by a medical dispensary and only for medical use. (This prevents the push for "Marinol" tablets, which some say is the only way Medical Marijuana should be introduced, as a way to keep Marijuana illegal.)

3-All Marijuana sold in the US will be produced domestically. Seeds may be imported to and from other countries, but whole plant will be illegal. By keeping the Marijuana production entirely domestic, it can be regulated much better and observed more closely. I do not like the idea of some Mexican drug cartel going legit and selling sub-par, chemically laced weed here in the US while US farmers are having trouble finding work.

One of the biggest problems of Legalization is that nobody is talking about these basics. It's either some cockamamie Libertarian argument wanting no controls on anything, or some odd decriminalization scheme. Either way, it's only a matter of time before legalization, kinda like Gay Marriage in the 1990's.
 
2012-05-22 03:38:27 PM  

OceanVortex: Serious Black: Alcohol provides a mind-altering experience like marijuana does. Alcohol also provides many health and medical benefits when consumed in moderation, much like marijuana does. What is different between alcohol and marijuana are the potential risks to the user and to others by the user. Marijuana poses a small risk to users and very little risk to others; nobody has ever died from a marijuana overdose, recorded deaths from long-term marijuana use are few and far between (if they even exist), and people driving while high are at least as safe as people driving while sober. In contrast, alcohol has tons of dangers to the user and to others; people frequently die from alcohol poisoning, thousands of alcoholics die from cirrhosis every year, and drunk driving kills innocent bystanders more frequently than the drunks causing the crashes. In fact, alcohol is the ONLY drug that medical organizations have ever said causes more harm to others than it does to the user. Making marijuana only legal medically while keeping alcohol legal to everyone over 21 is downright stupid and flies in the face of all scientific evidence we have collected on drug use.

I agree, though it appears you are just arguing that Alcohol is worse and therefore Alcohol should also be illegal. (I assume this was not your intent).

To me, the argument "well, there are worse things for you that are legal" would lead to the logical argument that those worse things should then be made illegal, rather than make the less bad thing legal. (Again, I don't think either of us are advocating for that position, but I'm trying to say that isn't a compelling argument in my book).


Yeah, I wasn't trying to make the argument that alcohol should be made illegal; history has clearly shown us that that is a colossally and catastrophically dumb idea. If people want something bad enough, no government in the world can stop its people from getting it and using it.

What I use that train of thought to argue for is making decisions on these issues at least partially based on the scientific evidence we have available. If you think using drugs is a moral sin, then by all means you can support banning them all (though I would insult people for being completely ignorant of history). If you think the people who want to use drugs should be able to make the decisions themselves, then by all means you can support legalizing them all. If you think it's a public health issue, then by all means you can support banning drugs based on the damage they cause to people. But supporting the legal status of alcohol while trying to keep much less dangerous drugs like marijuana completely illegal is stupid.
 
2012-05-22 03:49:42 PM  

Serious Black: What I use that train of thought to argue for is making decisions on these issues at least partially based on the scientific evidence we have available. If you think using drugs is a moral sin, then by all means you can support banning them all (though I would insult people for being completely ignorant of history). If you think the people who want to use drugs should be able to make the decisions themselves, then by all means you can support legalizing them all. If you think it's a public health issue, then by all means you can support banning drugs based on the damage they cause to people. But supporting the legal status of alcohol while trying to keep much less dangerous drugs like marijuana completely illegal is stupid.


Well put.

Wessoman: When Marijuana is legalized I believe there should be three basic criteria for it's distribution...


Also well put. I hadn't thought much about the domestic issue, but you raise a good point about the Mexican cartels. I'd hate for legalization to somehow legitamize the Cartels in Mexico, as things are already pretty F'd there as it is. Has anyone done much research into what the Mexican cartels would do post-legalization assuming demand for their illegal product would drop? Do they switch to harder drugs or what happens next? I think we can all agree they wouldn't just say "oh, well, nevermind, let's all become accountants," so I wonder what would happen next? (Note: this is not an argument against decriminalization. I'm just curious. I'm certainly not saying "oh, the cartels would switch to hard drugs so let's not decriminalize, won't someone please think of the cartels!")
 
2012-05-22 04:07:48 PM  

change1211: Brilliant idea. Legalize it by making self-defense arguments. Some guy breaks into your house, offer him a joint and some chips. Problem solved!


Now everyone will turn to a life of crime!
 
2012-05-22 04:10:22 PM  

thomps: marijuana hinders short-term memory, making it difficult to remember what you were just talking about. i think that's what is causing subby's problems with this headline. maybe next time he forgets what he's talking about, he should try re-reading the first part of the sentence he just wrote.


Good point about...Doritos.

Man, you crack me up.
 
2012-05-22 04:50:17 PM  
Peter Potamus is running for office?

More importantly - did you get that thing I sentcha?
 
2012-05-22 04:55:21 PM  

OceanVortex: Serious Black: What I use that train of thought to argue for is making decisions on these issues at least partially based on the scientific evidence we have available. If you think using drugs is a moral sin, then by all means you can support banning them all (though I would insult people for being completely ignorant of history). If you think the people who want to use drugs should be able to make the decisions themselves, then by all means you can support legalizing them all. If you think it's a public health issue, then by all means you can support banning drugs based on the damage they cause to people. But supporting the legal status of alcohol while trying to keep much less dangerous drugs like marijuana completely illegal is stupid.

Well put.

Wessoman: When Marijuana is legalized I believe there should be three basic criteria for it's distribution...

Also well put. I hadn't thought much about the domestic issue, but you raise a good point about the Mexican cartels. I'd hate for legalization to somehow legitamize the Cartels in Mexico, as things are already pretty F'd there as it is. Has anyone done much research into what the Mexican cartels would do post-legalization assuming demand for their illegal product would drop? Do they switch to harder drugs or what happens next? I think we can all agree they wouldn't just say "oh, well, nevermind, let's all become accountants," so I wonder what would happen next? (Note: this is not an argument against decriminalization. I'm just curious. I'm certainly not saying "oh, the cartels would switch to hard drugs so let's not decriminalize, won't someone please think of the cartels!")


That's my problem too. This is why the RON PAUL Libertarian method, or the Liberal favorite, decriminalization, don't work. Both would put a lot of financial (And therefore Political) Power in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

In most circumstances, Mafia-style cartels go one of both ways- They die or they become legitimate. Mexican drug cartels move a lot more than marijuana, but with legalization of weed, Mexican marijuana becomes worthless. It has no worth in the US for two reasons- Cheaper and safer US Weed, and importing non-seed would be illegal. I would think that most would see that it would be fruitless to try and compete with American marijuana. (However, It would be funny if some Mexican drug cartels stopped being gangs, bought up farmland in California and tried to legitimately grow and sell weed in the US. Let 'em compete in the open market...) I see most cartels would move on to Cocaine trafficking, or a much more lucrative crop--Pharmaceuticals, which are NOT cheap and in high demand in the US thanks to our Teatarded Medical system (Everything from Viagra to Albuterol to Darvocet to Cipro).

The cartels that do decide to continue to sell Cocaine won't be happy. With Marijuana tax revenue, and the fact that the DEA would not be spread thin with domestic Marijuana enforcement, you can bet that it will be a much tougher fight. Agents would actually have firepower, and (Most importantly) there will be actual room in our prisons.The same goes for our current domestic drug scourge, Methamphetamines.

The Legalization of Merijuana would probably make life very hard for Cocaine and Meth addicts. Maybe, one day Wall Street brokers will argue about the necessity of Cocaine, and white users will argue about the necessity of Methamphetamine, but considering the health risks of both drugs, I doubt it. Those arguments will be made by future generations, 50 years from now. (Hopefully, the Technological Singularity does not destroy mankind) For now, Marijuana is enjoying a period of legalityand acceptance that has not existed in the US since the turn of the last century.
 
2012-05-22 05:22:48 PM  
www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2012-05-22 05:38:09 PM  
Can anyone give a good, intellectually honest reason it should be illegal?

Because speaking the words "I smell marijuana" gives any cop the legal right to kick down any door, anywhere, anytime, under any circumstances- and kill everyone and everything that gets in the way.

It's the magic auto-nullifier of every right you imagined that you have.

So if you're a religious people, as Americans are- and who thus are first concerned with the sins of others- it's the ticket to crawl right up your neighbors' asses. In this case, literally, rubber glove and all.

So grease up and thank a cop for your freedom.
 
2012-05-22 07:29:26 PM  

Serious Black: AeAe: P0e: Article 1, Section 6, Clause 1 of the Constitution:
[members of both houses of Congress] ...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Bring in a doobie and smoke it on the house floor. That way its not a crime at all.

except for the "felony" part ..

Is possessing and consuming a single joint a federal felony or a felony in DC?


I'm no lawyer, but since cannabis is a Schedule I drug, any amount used would be a felony from the Feds perspective. Since the comment is suggesting lighting up on the floor - which is Federal property - my guess is the former.
 
2012-05-22 08:16:31 PM  
Considering drug use has no victim no reason exist for it to be illegal since this is a country that claims to be for personal liberties including the right to be stupid and fill your body with potentially dangerous chemicals.
 
2012-05-22 08:35:33 PM  

OceanVortex: Sure, i'll give it a shot- Let me use that South Park episode a few years back about Weed as my citation which I think sums up my position well. The main problem with Pot is simply the concept that it provides a simple high and contentment that some people let consume their life so they are sitting around smoking, rather than doing things that matter and being productive members of society. That isn't to say that pot is as addictive as heroin or that if you smoke it once your life is going to fall apart, but legalization provides tacit approval from society that altering your mind for kicks is 'ok'.


So it's like reading fark?
 
2012-05-22 10:03:04 PM  

Anenu: Considering drug use has no victim no reason exist for it to be illegal since this is a country that claims to be for personal liberties including the right to be stupid and fill your body with potentially dangerous chemicals.


FTFY
 
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