If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Washington Post)   Democrat's Wisconsin recall fail not only a disaster for organized labor, it could put Mitt Romney in the White House. The bratwurst is still great though   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 191
    More: Interesting, Mitt Romney, White House, Wisconsin, Democrats, unions, Wisconsin recall, disasters  
•       •       •

4726 clicks; posted to Politics » on 22 May 2012 at 11:45 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



191 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-05-22 03:15:57 PM

Alphax: blackminded: Lenny_da_Hog: Rinsed Penis, the head of the GOP

You have one not one, not two, but ALL of the Internets!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 447x700]

RINSED PENIS

He looks WAY too much like Scott Walker! Creepy.


eyes arent crooked, wonky and derpy enough
 
2012-05-22 03:16:54 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: d_lebowski: I would strongly encourage businesses in Minnesota along the border to not hire Wisconsin residents. If they are stupid enough to let Walker retain his office then they deserve to suffer the consequences of their choice (or lack of making one) in elected officials.

You're not familiar with the state Michelle Bachmann represents, I take it?


Wait, are you talking about the state that Al Franken represents, or the congressional district that doesn't share a border with Wisconsin that Michele Bachmann represents?

/hint: Tim Walz, Keith Ellison, Amy Klobuchar - not crazy
 
2012-05-22 03:18:40 PM

CorporatePerson: Noam Chimpsky: ...of course, if you want a true conservative governor you'd want to primary Walker with someone like the 1919 governor of Massachusetts. Now that's a governor who knew how to deal with public unions. Unfortunately, the Tea Party is too left wing to go for something like that.

You're trying too hard, man. It's embarrassing.


Well, wouldn't you have a problem with a Governor Coolidge type if you have a problem with Governor Walker? I mean, if Walker is such a monster, what does that make Silent Cal? The fact is that Coolidge was popular and launched himself to the White House with his moderate common-sense stance against the public unions.
 
2012-05-22 03:30:59 PM

CorporatePerson: The Name: And I don't mean "sad" as in "it's sad that the ultra-rich are allowed to have so much power," but "sad" as in "it's sad that people are so stupid that they will reliably vote for whoever gets more advertising."

"Well, Lurleen, I was gonna vote out Walker on account of cuz he disbanded the union, but that Barrett character don't put near enough flags and cryin' eagles on the teevee box."

You're missing the point of political ads.

Candidate A runs attack ads against Candidate B. The goal isn't to persuade Candidate B's supporters to vote for Candidate A. The goal is to discourage Candidate B's supporters so they stay home and not vote.

Funny thing is, it works.


Yeah, I get that part of it. I just don't understand why they're effective at even THAT. Do people not realize that the PURPOSE of political ads is to obfuscate, confuse and deceive? How can anyone with a brain stem even take them into consideration when choosing whether or not to vote? I mean, Jesus Christ, I have no love for Freepers, but at least they're doing something resembling research when they log on to their derpy site with those stubby, malformed fingers of theirs. How stupid do you have to be to let a 30-second TV ad, or a thousand 30-second TV ads for that matter, influence your voting one way or the other?

*Sigh* I really shouldn't be this exasperated, because I've seen this first-hand. Once in 2010, when canvassing for our state's Dem candidate for governor, one of the houses I had to visit had this old, crappy car out in the driveway, the patriarch of the family was under the hood trying to get it to run, with what looked like his wife and daughters standing by waiting for instructions to help. The house was small, their clothes were dirty, these were not people any Republican would ever care about.

But when I asked the patriarch if he was planning on voting for the Dem, he said, "Well, I was going to, but with all the stuff I've seen on TV . . ."

That was the moment I realized that our democracy is doomed. I think I'm still going through some of the stages toward acceptance . . . and a British visa.
 
2012-05-22 03:32:37 PM

phyrkrakr: Amy Klobuchar - not crazy


biatchy Claws is going to lose badly in November. Mark my words.
 
2012-05-22 03:45:32 PM

kkinnison: What most people don't know about Walker is he is current under investigation for possibly his role on Campaign Election Fraud during his stint as Milwaukee county executive.

He set aside money for a "Defense fund" recently and took the money out. But has not said why. According to funding rules he can only use that money:

1 if he is being investigated,
2.Has been investigated
3 is being charged with a crime
4 already charged with a crime

If anything this lack of transparency is criminal enough to recall him.


Wrong - the legal defense fund can be established if a candidate's agent is being investigated or charged with a crime. It's Wisconsin Statute 11.64(1) - and there's no question that some of Walker's former associates were caught in a financial scandal - in fact, it was Walker who reported the irregularities to the state.
 
2012-05-22 03:48:35 PM

WombatControl: kkinnison: What most people don't know about Walker is he is current under investigation for possibly his role on Campaign Election Fraud during his stint as Milwaukee county executive.

He set aside money for a "Defense fund" recently and took the money out. But has not said why. According to funding rules he can only use that money:

1 if he is being investigated,
2.Has been investigated
3 is being charged with a crime
4 already charged with a crime

If anything this lack of transparency is criminal enough to recall him.

Wrong - the legal defense fund can be established if a candidate's agent is being investigated or charged with a crime. It's Wisconsin Statute 11.64(1) - and there's no question that some of Walker's former associates were caught in a financial scandal - in fact, it was Walker who reported the irregularities to the state.


OMG THIS DOES NOT FIT WITH MY PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OF THE EBIL KOCH BROTHERS PUPPET@! THERFORE BARRET WINS AND WALKER MUST CLEAN TOILETS!
 
2012-05-22 03:54:34 PM

WombatControl: Wrong - the legal defense fund can be established if a candidate's agent is being investigated or charged with a crime. It's Wisconsin Statute 11.64(1) - and there's no question that some of Walker's former associates were caught in a financial scandal - in fact, it was Walker who reported the irregularities to the state.


Actually, no. Legal Defense Funds can only be used for violations of campaign or election fraud. If Walker is using the money on one of his "agents", it's basically admitting that they were doing campaign work for him on county time. While his people are being charged with various other things (like stealing money from veterans), that's separate from the LDF.
 
2012-05-22 04:07:43 PM

leftteffticle: WombatControl: Wrong - the legal defense fund can be established if a candidate's agent is being investigated or charged with a crime. It's Wisconsin Statute 11.64(1) - and there's no question that some of Walker's former associates were caught in a financial scandal - in fact, it was Walker who reported the irregularities to the state.

Actually, no. Legal Defense Funds can only be used for violations of campaign or election fraud. If Walker is using the money on one of his "agents", it's basically admitting that they were doing campaign work for him on county time. While his people are being charged with various other things (like stealing money from veterans), that's separate from the LDF.


Yes, that's correct - the defense fund was set up based on allegations separate from the financial dealings. There were allegations that some Walker staffers did campaigning on public time - some of those allegations were true.

Which Barrett might make hay out of, except his wife (who is a public school teacher) was caught doing the exact same thing.

From my political experience, just about every campaign has the problem of making sure that the political side and the campaign side are separate - and even when the candidate and the senior staff are absolutely adament that they remain separate and do their best to firewall the two, it still has a tendency to happen.
 
2012-05-22 04:09:17 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: d_lebowski: I would strongly encourage businesses in Minnesota along the border to not hire Wisconsin residents. If they are stupid enough to let Walker retain his office then they deserve to suffer the consequences of their choice (or lack of making one) in elected officials.

You're not familiar with the state Michelle Bachmann represents, I take it?


#1 she won in a highly WHITE suburban area that was gerrymandered to be a republican district.
#2 people in her district have her speak, do not expect her to be elected again.
#3 We also brought you Tim (illegal fees just don't call them taxes) Pawlenty
 
2012-05-22 04:13:41 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com
\Shamelessly stolen...
 
2012-05-22 04:17:45 PM

GameSprocket: So, the school system saved money by screwing over the teacher's health benefits but it was not enough to pay for the $6,000 raise in pay that will bring the salary up from squat to diddly-squat?

Boy, I'm convinced.


Giving options to local government employees' health insurance (instead of lock-stepping them into WEAC) isn't "screwing over" anybody. And they raised base teacher pay by 18 percent, I highly doubt that would have occurred if Barrett got elected instead of Walker.

And while the state cuts tax funding, local governments can pass those savings to offset those cuts, or they can do things like increase employee retirement contributions, and/or raise local property taxes and fees. They did this in Milwaukee, and will save $25 million.

GameSprocket: On the other hand:

UW-Madison Study Shows Impact of Walker's Destructive Education Policies

Oh, hey! Someone did the search for me:
FACT SHEET: Gov. Walker's dismantling of Wisconsin's Public Education System


I wonder just how many of those "net losses" factor in years of savings due in part to increased contributions to retirement benefits - those savings will accrue year after year, plus they are not severe enough to hurt employees' retirement either, they will still have a guaranteed retirement, they will just need to contribute more from their paycheck, which I think is fair.

Keep in mind, I don't think any of this is a cure-all to Wisconsin's education issues, not in the least - I think we still have a long way to go to make education a competitive market again (I like what San Francisco did regarding open competition on a per-student funding basis), but at least school districts have options and can be flexible. We may see an initial hurt, but I can see how it will turn out better in the long-run.
 
2012-05-22 04:32:28 PM

WombatControl: leftteffticle: WombatControl: Wrong - the legal defense fund can be established if a candidate's agent is being investigated or charged with a crime. It's Wisconsin Statute 11.64(1) - and there's no question that some of Walker's former associates were caught in a financial scandal - in fact, it was Walker who reported the irregularities to the state.

Actually, no. Legal Defense Funds can only be used for violations of campaign or election fraud. If Walker is using the money on one of his "agents", it's basically admitting that they were doing campaign work for him on county time. While his people are being charged with various other things (like stealing money from veterans), that's separate from the LDF.

Yes, that's correct - the defense fund was set up based on allegations separate from the financial dealings. There were allegations that some Walker staffers did campaigning on public time - some of those allegations were true.

Which Barrett might make hay out of, except his wife (who is a public school teacher) was caught doing the exact same thing.

From my political experience, just about every campaign has the problem of making sure that the political side and the campaign side are separate - and even when the candidate and the senior staff are absolutely adament that they remain separate and do their best to firewall the two, it still has a tendency to happen.


Tom Barrett's wife sent 3 political emails. Scott Walker's staff set up a 3g router in a closet in a county office so that several full time staff could devote the majority of their time on the county clock to working on Walker's campaign without being detected on the county network or email system. This isn't a case of "oh the lines blurred a bit", this is a case of "several people spent all of their time fundraising for Walker and his chosen VP candidate and put in a significant amount of effort to ensure that it would not be detected". We are talking hundreds of hours, thousands of emails, and tens of thousands of dollars in salary.

Barrett's wife should not have done what she did, but to compare the two offenses is laughable.
 
2012-05-22 04:32:32 PM

Deftoons: Citrate1007: Wisconsin: worst in job creation. That is all.

I find it interesting that this is the talking point that Walker's opposition is now taking - and I think this has a lot to do with the fact they can't hit Walker's campaign regarding the government-union busting bill, because more and more public school districts have been saving on health insurance because of it, and some cities (like my own) have been raising base public teacher pay partly because of it, in my city's case - Neenah, that raise is 18%.

Public school districts just saved thousands upon millions of dollars on health insurance. So much for "hurting teachers" and "school districts."

Before anybody starts throwing their liberal rage towards me - I didn't vote for Walker before, and wouldn't vote for him again either. Dude has got his fair share of flaws that is enough for me not to vote for him, and he is backed by some rather corrupt people. But just like anything else in partisan politics, the Democrats are painting their picture to help out their union payrolls, just like how the left accuses Republicans of helping their corporate payrolls. Gotta love politics, it's about as principled as a boy-touching Catholic priest.

/No, don't vote Republican
//Or Democrat either


Great points, and you didn't even mention that your property taxes didn't have to be raised to balance the budget.
 
2012-05-22 04:36:11 PM
Apostrophes, how the f*ck do they work?
 
2012-05-22 04:36:23 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Great points, and you didn't even mention that your property taxes didn't have to be raised to balance the budget.


...butut you can bet your sweet ass your taxes are going up anyway, despite what Walker says. Oh and also the budget isn't balanced.
 
2012-05-22 05:24:38 PM
Republicans make no sense in this state sometimes at all. My aunt is a Republican and so is my uncle. My uncle is an attorney, and teaches law in the UW system, and they are both for what Walker did to the unions. They said it was about damn time, and all that. My aunt was biatching about how teachers need to pay more benefits, and I was like yeah I know, but they did agree to it in the first place. She goes no they didn't, I was there. Apparently they were trying to get having to pay less, but I don't think my aunt gets on how collective bargaining works. I didn't know she go to teacher union meetings where they discuss benefits, since she is not a teacher. Also I said that I think it was unfair Police, and Firefighters got excluded. She told me its because they provide an important role in society. I said well so do teachers, and she proceeded to tell me that even though teachers do perform a service to society, it is not as nearly as important as police, because they don't risk their lives, and they do good to society.
 
2012-05-22 05:28:50 PM

WombatControl: in fact, it was Walker who reported the irregularities to the state.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-05-22 05:45:30 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: She's not aware of how bipolar we can be. Look at the northwest part of that state; Democrats do well in the Presidential race but will also elect Sean Duffy. Or in the past we'd elect Tommy by double digit margins but have two Democrats in the Senate.

/We're weird; it's in the water


Yep, we elected Dave Obey to Congress for *forever*, and we still sent J.B. Van Hollen to be state Attorney General (my younger brother went to high school with J.B. Van Hollen).
 
2012-05-22 05:51:16 PM

GameSprocket: Deftoons: I find it interesting that this is the talking point that Walker's opposition is now taking - and I think this has a lot to do with the fact they can't hit Walker's campaign regarding the government-union busting bill, because more and more public school districts have been saving on health insurance because of it, and some cities (like my own) have been raising base public teacher pay partly because of it, in my city's case - Neenah, that raise is 18%.

From your link:
The board also raised the base salary for teachers to $40,500 - an 18 percent increase from the current base of $34,319 - effective July 1.

For Neenah teachers who currently earn less than that, the district will raise their salary to $40,500. The catch-up pay will cost taxpayers $126,000 next year.

So, the school system saved money by screwing over the teacher's health benefits but it was not enough to pay for the $6,000 raise in pay that will bring the salary up from squat to diddly-squat?

Boy, I'm convinced.

On the other hand:

UW-Madison Study Shows Impact of Walker's Destructive Education Policies

Oh, hey! Someone did the search for me:
FACT SHEET: Gov. Walker's dismantling of Wisconsin's Public Education System



Would you like to know the next step? Because Indiana is already there.

THe next thing the Republicans in your State will do is propel private education over publican education. And of course since their budgets have been slashed, teachers laid off, and standards are dirt .... their averages will look bad.

Then the Republicans in your State will increase funding to private education even more to show that with "increased support" (aka more money) the private schools are doing much better. Weird.

Private education = bad
 
2012-05-22 06:09:44 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Deftoons: Citrate1007: Wisconsin: worst in job creation. That is all.

I find it interesting that this is the talking point that Walker's opposition is now taking - and I think this has a lot to do with the fact they can't hit Walker's campaign regarding the government-union busting bill, because more and more public school districts have been saving on health insurance because of it, and some cities (like my own) have been raising base public teacher pay partly because of it, in my city's case - Neenah, that raise is 18%.

Public school districts just saved thousands upon millions of dollars on health insurance. So much for "hurting teachers" and "school districts."

Before anybody starts throwing their liberal rage towards me - I didn't vote for Walker before, and wouldn't vote for him again either. Dude has got his fair share of flaws that is enough for me not to vote for him, and he is backed by some rather corrupt people. But just like anything else in partisan politics, the Democrats are painting their picture to help out their union payrolls, just like how the left accuses Republicans of helping their corporate payrolls. Gotta love politics, it's about as principled as a boy-touching Catholic priest.

/No, don't vote Republican
//Or Democrat either

Great points, and you didn't even mention that your property taxes didn't have to be raised to balance the budget.


OK, but...

Wisconsin is dead last in job creation.

You're picking pieces of corn out of a turd.
 
2012-05-22 06:13:23 PM

Noam Chimpsky: You Democratics are supposed to agree that the Tea Party is "extreme" and would want to replace Walker with someone more right-wing. Or do you think the Tea Party has become the new moderate?


What is this I don't even...

/what?
//seriously, what?
///NO
////WHAT?!
 
2012-05-22 06:41:28 PM

FlashHarry: a conservative column in a conservative paper thinks the conservative-backed conservative governor of wisconsin is going to help the conservative presidential candidate win in november? you don't say!


The Washington Post is a "conservative paper"?!?!?!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
 
2012-05-22 06:44:38 PM

demonfaerie: Republicans make no sense in this state sometimes at all. My aunt is a Republican and so is my uncle. My uncle is an attorney, and teaches law in the UW system, and they are both for what Walker did to the unions. They said it was about damn time, and all that. My aunt was biatching about how teachers need to pay more benefits, and I was like yeah I know, but they did agree to it in the first place. She goes no they didn't, I was there. Apparently they were trying to get having to pay less, but I don't think my aunt gets on how collective bargaining works. I didn't know she go to teacher union meetings where they discuss benefits, since she is not a teacher. Also I said that I think it was unfair Police, and Firefighters got excluded. She told me its because they provide an important role in society. I said well so do teachers, and she proceeded to tell me that even though teachers do perform a service to society, it is not as nearly as important as police, because they don't risk their lives, and they do good to society.


That exemption of fire and police Walker not-so-slyly did is most definitely lame on Walker's part. I would have countered your Aunt with "Do you think it would be okay for the police and firefighters to strike if they don't get the pay and benefits they wanted?" Pretty soon you'll start seeing your Aunt's arguments go in circles.
 
2012-05-22 07:08:36 PM
You know who is most likely to answer phone polls? Retired seniors who are lonely and have nothing better to do with their time. When's the last time you anwered a poll? I don't even answer my phone for numbers I don't recognize, let alone waste my time answering a bunch of insanely biased questions.
 
2012-05-22 07:13:44 PM
So it's a right-wing blogger for the WaPo quoting stuff from WSJ and filling in the gaps with her "reported opinion"? OK, I'll take that under advisement. Thank you have a nice day.
 
2012-05-22 08:01:20 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Example: One guy told me that he supports Walker because our public education is among the worst in the country, and we need to do away with collective bargaining if we hope to fix it. Spend 30 seconds on Google and you'll see how absurd both parts of that statement are.


Thats funny, there's plenty of evidence out there that supports the argument for school choice, charter schools and non-traditional education. The education system in this country is largely unchanged in the last hundred years and we've nearly doubled the amount of money spend per student since 1970 with no real benefit

Thats the definition of insanity.

please explain how collective bargaining for teachers makes students smarter.
 
2012-05-22 08:54:04 PM

o5iiawah: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Example: One guy told me that he supports Walker because our public education is among the worst in the country, and we need to do away with collective bargaining if we hope to fix it. Spend 30 seconds on Google and you'll see how absurd both parts of that statement are.

Thats funny, there's plenty of evidence out there that supports the argument for school choice, charter schools and non-traditional education. The education system in this country is largely unchanged in the last hundred years and we've nearly doubled the amount of money spend per student since 1970 with no real benefit

Thats the definition of insanity.

please explain how collective bargaining for teachers makes students smarter.


Five states ban collective bargaining for teachers. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:
South Carolina - 50th
North Carolina - 49th
Georgia - 48th
Texas - 47th
Virginia - 44th

Does this mean students are "smarter?" No. It does, however show a very strong negative correlation between banning of collective bargaining and ACT/SAT scores of students. If you make it so that a profession makes less money, and you also demonize people in this profession, then you won't have as many talented or driven people wanting to be in said profession. By the way, WI ranks 2nd on ACT/SAT scores, and this has been consistent for many years. I'll be interested to see how quickly it falls if the ban on collective bargaining isn't overturned.
 
2012-05-22 09:40:21 PM
blah blah blah there wasn't a general strike therefore we lose
 
2012-05-22 09:50:13 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Would you like to know the next step? Because Indiana is already there.

THe next thing the Republicans in your State will do is propel private education over publican education. And of course since their budgets have been slashed, teachers laid off, and standards are dirt .... their averages will look bad.

Then the Republicans in your State will increase funding to private education even more to show that with "increased support" (aka more money) the private schools are doing much better. Weird.


Wisconsin is already heading down that path. School voucher programs already exist in Milwaukee, and Republicans are eager to spread them to all corners of the state to give parents in "failing" school districts a choice.
 
2012-05-22 10:08:22 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: o5iiawah: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Example: One guy told me that he supports Walker because our public education is among the worst in the country, and we need to do away with collective bargaining if we hope to fix it. Spend 30 seconds on Google and you'll see how absurd both parts of that statement are.

Thats funny, there's plenty of evidence out there that supports the argument for school choice, charter schools and non-traditional education. The education system in this country is largely unchanged in the last hundred years and we've nearly doubled the amount of money spend per student since 1970 with no real benefit

Thats the definition of insanity.

please explain how collective bargaining for teachers makes students smarter.

Five states ban collective bargaining for teachers. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:
South Carolina - 50th
North Carolina - 49th
Georgia - 48th
Texas - 47th
Virginia - 44th

Does this mean students are "smarter?" No. It does, however show a very strong negative correlation between banning of collective bargaining and ACT/SAT scores of students. If you make it so that a profession makes less money, and you also demonize people in this profession, then you won't have as many talented or driven people wanting to be in said profession. By the way, WI ranks 2nd on ACT/SAT scores, and this has been consistent for many years. I'll be interested to see how quickly it falls if the ban on collective bargaining isn't overturned.


That's a myth that has been debunked before. Plus, WIsconsin's elementary student performance (long before Scott Walker became Governor and had unionized teachers) was average. The National Center for Education Statistics issued elementary school education performance rankings for reading in grades 4 and 8, and Wisconsin's ratings are middle-of-the-road overall in terms of student reading performance, with grade 8 resulting in a lower-than-average result. A similar report in 2007 for Math also shows Wisconsin's student performance being overwhelmingly average - not bad, not great either.

Those same graphs also provide proof that there is no direct link to elementary school student performance and unionized public teaching states. That ACT/SAT claim you posted was a myth based on nothing more than cherry picking facts.
 
2012-05-22 10:58:29 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

Wisconsin is dead last in job creation.



WRONG.

Walker's numbers are actually more accurate than the sampling of 3.5% of businesses and extrapolating statistics. Statistics that are invariably corrected later when the data Walker released early is factored in.

Why do you lie so much?

Link
 
2012-05-22 11:03:13 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Deftoons: Citrate1007: Wisconsin: worst in job creation. That is all.

I find it interesting that this is the talking point that Walker's opposition is now taking - and I think this has a lot to do with the fact they can't hit Walker's campaign regarding the government-union busting bill, because more and more public school districts have been saving on health insurance because of it, and some cities (like my own) have been raising base public teacher pay partly because of it, in my city's case - Neenah, that raise is 18%.

Public school districts just saved thousands upon millions of dollars on health insurance. So much for "hurting teachers" and "school districts."

Before anybody starts throwing their liberal rage towards me - I didn't vote for Walker before, and wouldn't vote for him again either. Dude has got his fair share of flaws that is enough for me not to vote for him, and he is backed by some rather corrupt people. But just like anything else in partisan politics, the Democrats are painting their picture to help out their union payrolls, just like how the left accuses Republicans of helping their corporate payrolls. Gotta love politics, it's about as principled as a boy-touching Catholic priest.

/No, don't vote Republican
//Or Democrat either

Great points, and you didn't even mention that your property taxes didn't have to be raised to balance the budget.


Guess who has two thumbs, lives in Wisconsin, and had his property taxes go UP this year?

This guy.
 
2012-05-22 11:12:40 PM

prickly pete v2: Guess who has two thumbs, lives in Wisconsin, and had his property taxes go UP this year?

This guy.


That sucks, sorry to hear. Mine went down, and it was needed, because the wife and I have some crucial home repairs to get done before next winter.
 
2012-05-22 11:27:49 PM
I'm a socialist, just to disclose so people who read this post get it in its full context.

Honestly, I'm actually starting to pull for Walker in this one. I'm very seriously considering voting straight-ticket Republican come November. Because, frankly, this socioeconomic fark-up we've found ourselves in because we let enough Republicans into office in the first place to dictate policy, who then gift-wrapped and sold the party (and by extension, the entire goddamn country) to corporations, religious zealots and bigots, is so far beyond the pale in terms of being reparable the only thing left is to just let the whole house burn down as quickly and painlessly as possible, and rebuild.

"The people" are too ignorant, uneducated, lazy and complacent to care for the most part, and can't even muster the intelligence to figure out where complaints and forecasts from the left have been coming from all these decades. So, at this point fark it -- if they can't pull the veil of ignorance from their faces to help themselves by actually acting in their social, economic, and political best interests it's best to just let them have their much-maligned and overdue reality check. fark 'em.
 
2012-05-23 10:52:11 AM
that bosnian sniper
we

You can't blame people for a dysfunctional system. You're just whining, because it's easier than organizing.
 
2012-05-23 01:54:00 PM

Cletus C.: So, the failures of the Obama economy are bad news for Republicans?


Are you retarded?
 
2012-05-23 01:54:48 PM

quoinguy: SacriliciousBeerSwiller:

Wisconsin is dead last in job creation.



WRONG.

Walker's numbers are actually more accurate than the sampling of 3.5% of businesses and extrapolating statistics. Statistics that are invariably corrected later when the data Walker released early is factored in.

Why do you lie so much?

Link


WRONG.

even using Walker's numbers we don't know if WI is dead last or not because the numbers have not been released for any other states and he's using an entirely different scale than anyone else. woo, he added 23,000 jobs.. that means dick if we don't know about the rest of the country.

unfortunately we won't know until after the recall election when the revised BLS numbers are put out. but no, Walker wasn't using state resources to campaign by having the DWD calculate these numbers, not at all.
 
2012-05-23 05:33:12 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Does this mean students are "smarter?" No. It does, however show a very strong negative correlation between banning of collective bargaining and ACT/SAT scores of students.


And there are some, like myself, who would argue that educating people for the sole purpose of passing a standardized test is an absurd way to run an education system.

Waiting for Superman really awesome documentary.
 
2012-05-23 06:54:25 PM

o5iiawah: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Does this mean students are "smarter?" No. It does, however show a very strong negative correlation between banning of collective bargaining and ACT/SAT scores of students.

And there are some, like myself, who would argue that educating people for the sole purpose of passing a standardized test is an absurd way to run an education system.

Waiting for Superman really awesome documentary.


I agree, on that. Luckily I finished school before NCLB, so my education wasn't completely focused on learning to regurgitate info to pass a test. I feel bad for kids now that aren't taught to think, rather they are taught to pass a test.

It's not just that one stat that shows a negative correlation between achievement and banning of collective bargaining. Another example, high school graduation rates show the same trend in those states; they are near the bottom. Of course, there are other factors at play in something as complicated as statewide academic performance.

I've spent significant time in N and S Carolina, Georgia, and Virginia for work over the last several years. The people in these states really don't seem to value eduction in general, so putting it all on banning CB would be a little disingenuous of me. I think that banning CB for teachers is something that is indicative of a state that doesn't value education. So when Walker/WI GOP decided to not only ban CB, but also cut $1000/student from public school funding over the next two years, made it illegal for municipalities to raise property tax rates to make up for the lost education funding, and other attacks on our public school systems, that shows me that he wants to take us down the path of states that don't value education.

We have an awesome university system and tech. college system because our high schools are churning out people that are ready to handle them, and in turn we have lots of scientific, engineering, and skilled manufacturing jobs here because we're churning out talented people that are qualified to take these jobs. I view what he's doing as pulling our economy's roots right out. There may be some short-term gains, but once the universities and tech schools can't support themselves and start to shrink, these private industry jobs will go elsewhere in search of young talent because they won't have the talent they need to operate here.
 
2012-05-24 12:19:40 AM
o5iiawah
Waiting for Superman really awesome documentary pro-privatization propaganda.
 
Displayed 41 of 191 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report