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(Some Cheese Head)   Wisconsin has a Deer Czar, and he firmly believes that State and National Parks are a commie plot. Like to hunt on public land? "Sucks to be you"   (lodivalleynews.com) divider line 40
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2012-05-22 11:31:26 AM  
7 votes:
Moron.

Game management is one of the only reasons you have a healthy deer population.

Take the bag limit, part of the game management tool box. Give it a few years with no limit on deer, and watch as you finish selecting for bucks with smaller and smaller racks. Who knows, give it enough time and other environmental pressures, and you might end up with antlerless male deer.

Then you have hunting on public lands. Remove that opportunity or restrict it further. Now you have the chance of a population boom as animals don't get culled during the hunt, since other predators don't really exist in sufficient populations to control white tail deer populations. Crop damage goes up, car accidents increase, and disease can spread through the population and sometimes make the jump over into livestock like dairy cattle.

I'm sure there are plenty of Wisconsin Republicans saying "I have enough land to hunt, so this doesn't affect me" or "I hunt at a buddies place, this doesn't affect me". God damn I hate the "Fark you, I got mine" attitude.
2012-05-22 12:45:39 PM  
3 votes:
People who call for more public lands are "cocktail conservationists," he says, who are really pining for socialism.

I wonder if he realizes that the roads he has to drive on to get to his private spread of land is socialism in action?
2012-05-22 12:36:05 PM  
3 votes:
So, the 'natural' way is high fences holding in domesticated deer that can be easily shot by a bunch of inbred human trash (like dick cheney and his quail-in-a-box method of 'hunting')?

Why not just raise cows and let the idiots shoot them? The meat tastes better and you don't have to screw up the environment by selling all the public land to scum-bags only interested in making a buck?

Or, just lynch that Walker guy and all his cronies (my personal choice).
2012-05-22 12:31:16 PM  
3 votes:
Hunting bred deer in a fenced in area is not hunting.
2012-05-22 12:17:22 PM  
3 votes:
The key difference here is that 98 percent of Texas is comprised of private land.

Wisconsin, on the other hand, consists of approximately 34.8 million acres of land, and 25.5 percent of the state's 638,000 gun-hunters reported hunting on public land at some point during the season (2010, Duey, Rees).


So let's see: under this guy's plan, wealthy land owners will own all the verdant, wild land in the state. Under the current plan, I own the wild land along with a couple million of my fellow citizens.

Yeah, fark you.
2012-05-23 02:52:22 PM  
2 votes:

realDurandal: seriously, if you own hunting gear, and deer piss, and your calling people dumb, i have no words for you.


I know you're trolling, and godspeed to you good sir, but just in case you actually didn't understand why people are calling his hunting outfit dumb: non-dumb hunters wear shiat-tons of fluorescent orange so as not to get shot by other hunters. Deer are basically color-blind. So, this guy's "hunting gear" is actually not hunting gear at all.

Dumb hunters, or the kind of hunters who go on canned hunts in private shooting galleries, wear drab and olive and brown like this guy. They fool themselves and the dumber sort of non-hunters, but (as this thread shows) a picture like that would be a major WTF for his hunter constituency.

As for the "gun nut" stuff, if you actually get to know some gun owners, I think you'll find that (actual) hunters tend to be on the sane end of the gun-owning spectrum. If you buy a deer rifle to shoot deer with, and then you use it once a year to shoot a deer, then it's a lot easier to treat the rifle as the tool it is rather than as a symbol or a fetish or a crutch. I own a rake, but I don't think about it unless I'm raking.

The guy who buys a handgun out of some vague notion of needing "defense," and then puts it in a drawer and waits for the home invasion that never comes--he's the guy who ends up with a gun in every room in his house and a shoulder holster and a Guns & Ammo subscription.
2012-05-22 02:13:57 PM  
2 votes:
Man, Teddy Roosevelt would have punched the sh*t out of this guy for saying that about National Parks. I would love to see that.

What's Robin Williams up to lately, and how's his right hook?
2012-05-22 01:07:16 PM  
2 votes:
Holy balls, that was some of the dumbest shiat I've read in a long time.
2012-05-22 12:42:00 PM  
2 votes:

special20: He even looks like an ahole.
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If that's his hunting gear, he's even dumber than he looks.


well yeah...when you hunt deer enclosed in a 8 foot tall fenced in area, you can dress like a moran.

/real hunters wouldn't be caught dead in that gear.
2012-05-22 12:40:56 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: Moron.

Game management is one of the only reasons you have a healthy deer population.

Take the bag limit, part of the game management tool box. Give it a few years with no limit on deer, and watch as you finish selecting for bucks with smaller and smaller racks. Who knows, give it enough time and other environmental pressures, and you might end up with antlerless male deer.

Then you have hunting on public lands. Remove that opportunity or restrict it further. Now you have the chance of a population boom as animals don't get culled during the hunt, since other predators don't really exist in sufficient populations to control white tail deer populations. Crop damage goes up, car accidents increase, and disease can spread through the population and sometimes make the jump over into livestock like dairy cattle.

I'm sure there are plenty of Wisconsin Republicans saying "I have enough land to hunt, so this doesn't affect me" or "I hunt at a buddies place, this doesn't affect me". God damn I hate the "Fark you, I got mine" attitude.


Technically what he believes is that there should be ZERO public lands. He thinks all land should be privately owned because someone selling hunting rights on their property will manage it better. True private game reserves do tend to be better stocked, but the guy misses the point of public lands entirely.
2012-05-22 12:40:15 PM  
2 votes:

gameshowhost: Not to mention that he's a carpetbagger from TX.


Futhermore down in TX where all hunting is done of on private lands, like he wants in WI, he is one of three founders of a stock breeder's association called the Texas Deer Association that sell prize deer for breeding for as much as $45,000 ea. Whereas in the rest of the country we regard White-tail as "Rats that can fark up your car royally" down there he has managed to commoditize them to the extent that Hunting is a sport almost exclusively of the rich.

If this story spreads wide enough in the next twenty days, particularly among those for whom deer-hunting is either a religion or a matter of basic survival, and they realize the average TX deer hunter, thanks largely to Kroll's efforts, has to spend 2-3k in licenses and leases to hunt. I suspect Walker could lose in a landslide
2012-05-22 12:34:10 PM  
2 votes:

Spade: Headso: This guy got his idea from being in Africa, the poorest part of the planet, they have no means to take care of public land. We are a nation that can and does afford maintaining huge national parks that all taxpayers have access to and we don't have poachers here killing off animals for Chinese medicine and blackmarket trinkets for the rich, it's not even a comparable situation.

Erm, what?

Plenty of countries in Africa take public game management and national parks very seriously. They just have a lot of territory to cover and not a lot of money.

And in some of those places the Game Wardens are little guys with a lifetime of tracking experience and AK-47s. And if they catch you poaching they usually don't bother to just give you a ticket with your fine and ban you from hunting for three years. They go straight for the permanent solution.


indeed. just last week several poachers were reported to have reached for weapons when caught. on the plus side, Africa now has less poachers. their Wardens are tired of finding wildlife slain for the sake of a few tusks or organs. i wish their Wardens all the best in decimating the poacher population.
2012-05-22 11:52:03 AM  
2 votes:
Not to mention that he's a carpetbagger from TX.
2012-05-22 11:48:58 AM  
2 votes:
Peasantry art not to hunt on the King's land. Offenders shall hang by the neck till dead.
2012-05-22 11:10:29 AM  
2 votes:
And yes, he is a Walker appointee.
2012-05-22 04:59:49 PM  
1 votes:

Molavian: No, they won't. Can you imagine the backlash? Threaten deer hunting in Wisconsin and you'd be cutting your own throat politically. Probably literally, too. I'd be more than happy to vote for a Democrat, provided that they leave concealed carry alone and leave the public sector unions hanging. I know that's not going to happen, though.


You'll take the beating and not make a noise, because you've been trained to hate unions more than be interested in what is best for you or the state. Walker laughs in your face while he takes away your rights, because he knows you're his biatch.
2012-05-22 04:36:35 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Peasantry art not to hunt on the King's land. Offenders shall hang by the neck till dead.


This is what gets me about Republicans (a party to which I am registered), they don't see the correlation between this attitude and those which in part led to the settling of North America. I blame the liberals.
2012-05-22 04:02:00 PM  
1 votes:

susler: getting it's panties in an uproar


Now there's a mixed metaphor with potential.
2012-05-22 03:45:40 PM  
1 votes:
As an owner of several body shops in Wisconsin, I approve of this idea. Explosions in deer population on our public lands will lead to many more hits and $$$ for me.
2012-05-22 03:39:15 PM  
1 votes:
Uncontrolled meningeal worm in America's Dairyland!! What a splendid idea!
2012-05-22 03:30:58 PM  
1 votes:

i.r.id10t: But then watch state coffers not fill up as people like me who have no private land to hunt on (the 640 acres across the road from my house is leased already) stop buying hunting licenses, etc.


My SO's best-buddy, of 40 yrs, just turned their family's collective 1500 acre farm operation over to his son, (in a county sited as 'Americas Top White Tail Hunting' a couple of years ago)...
Unfortunately, Sonny Boy immediately terminated all previous hunting rights of his friends, even though we'd PAID FOR & BUILT the slaughter-house, trails, cabin sites, blinds, and we count on the venison, rabbit, squirrel, pheasant, turkey, & duck meat every year as groceries...
So, we offered to buy a slice of his land, he said NO.
Then he shut down the farming ops, sold the pigs & cattle, put up NO TRESSPASSING signs and charges $1500 per wk/per person during hunting seasons...
Now he's waiting for the Fracking Guys to come on down, maybe hunt some, then put up a nice industrial drilling pad...

/Sonny is now a rich little A$$hat,
//dumped his dually & drives an Audi now...
2012-05-22 03:24:35 PM  
1 votes:

TheOther: NowhereMon: And yes, he is a Walker appointee.

Now THIS could get Walker recalled.


Or shot.

I'm not advocating anything, I'm just pointing out that I *personally*, if I were him, would be worried about continually pissing off a state full of people who go out into the woods every year and shoot at live targets that are notoriously hard to sneak up on, fast, and about the same size as a person. I mean, that's a lot of really good practice there...

Plus in a population that large you *will* have some crazies.

Yeah...

/Kind of the same way I would personally be worried about wandering down a dark alley in the middle of the night with $20's hanging out of my pocket...
2012-05-22 03:24:30 PM  
1 votes:

Ken VeryBigLiar: Magorn: If this story spreads wide enough in the next twenty days, particularly among those for whom deer-hunting is either a religion or a matter of basic survival, and they realize the average TX deer hunter, thanks largely to Kroll's efforts, has to spend 2-3k in licenses and leases to hunt. I suspect Walker could lose in a landslide

The hunting types are pretty firmly Republican; they see Barrett and think he's coming to take their guns away. From the sound of it this guy was more brought in to make sure we don't lose all the FIBs and yokels coming up here to hunt because of CWD than to build game preserves (where the disease has been thought to have originated here).


Yeah but, honestly they are also highly suspicious of government and prone to being scared by people "coming to take X away" After I alerted some folks in WI to this and urged them to spread the story, they reported that all dozen of thier sportsmen friends initally flat-out refused to believe the story, but when he persisted and got them to google the guy's name their reactions went from disbelief to, in a very short time, anger, and for a majority of them, a vow to vote against Walker, which for many of them would be the first time thy didn't click the name with the (R) after in the voting booth for several decades
2012-05-22 02:42:37 PM  
1 votes:
Actually farm subsidies and price supports are the last bastion of true communism. I don't see the tea party getting it's panties in an uproar over those however.
2012-05-22 02:30:53 PM  
1 votes:
So this guy's proposal is to basically turn all deer hunting into what amounts to canned hunts (because that's basically what deer hunting has turned into in Texas)?

Fark that for two weeks in France (where it's probably going to be EASIER to get licensed to hunt deer if you're not one of the One Percent by the time this doucheface is done)...

And yeah, glad someone already brought up that this guy is one of the Big Three in regards to de facto canned deer hunt breeders and lobbyists in Texas :P
2012-05-22 02:21:23 PM  
1 votes:
People who call for more public lands are "cocktail conservationists," he says, who are really pining for socialism.

Hey, I've been called worse. Maybe he hasn't been in Wisconsin long enough to know that it's not exactly unfriendly territory for either the conservationist or the cocktail enthusiast. It's the only place I've ever seen billboards for brandy.

In any event, this is much better than "limousine liberal," which always made me feel bad since I can't afford a limousine.
2012-05-22 01:42:50 PM  
1 votes:

NowhereMon: And yes, he is a Walker appointee.


Republicans: Hiring foxes to guard henhouses since 1980.
2012-05-22 01:24:05 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus christ, is there anything that that cocksuck Walker won't turn into politics? Seriously? Com'on Wisconsin, vote this turd out.
2012-05-22 01:08:03 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Peasantry art not to hunt on the King's land. Offenders shall hang by the neck till dead.


Came for the "don't poach the king's deer", leaving with a price on my head.
2012-05-22 01:03:06 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, let's run the Wisconsin state government like a semi-failed African state. What a capital idea.

You know, when libs say "Somalia is a libertarian paradise," we are actually aware that we are joking. But apparently Scott Walker takes the idea seriously.
2012-05-22 01:00:25 PM  
1 votes:

jso2897: What the Hell is going on in Wisconsin?
It used to be this quiet, sober, stolid place. Now it's headlines are starting to look like Florida's or Arizona's.


I am offended by that slur! Wisconsin was NEVER sober!
2012-05-22 12:43:25 PM  
1 votes:

The Jami Turman Fan Club: RexTalionis: Peasantry art not to hunt on the King's land. Offenders shall hang by the neck till dead.

Wasn't there some famous guy who they tried to imprison due to shooting a deer on the King's land? A sir Robin of somewhere?


His name was Robin O' the Hood and he warn't a "Sir" just a po'ed peasant who realized that a longbow pierces armor just as neat and clean as a deer's ribcage, and that he wasn't gonna take no more guff from these French-speaking interlopers who thought they suddenly owned to whole damned island
2012-05-22 12:34:18 PM  
1 votes:
He even looks like an ahole.
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If that's his hunting gear, he's even dumber than he looks.
2012-05-22 12:30:50 PM  
1 votes:

TheOther: NowhereMon: And yes, he is a Walker appointee.

Now THIS could get Walker recalled.


Not if he gets the DNR to actually stop the spread of CWD to the north and west. If they lose places like Adams and Juneau County for a while they'll live but god help them if it gets north and west of Monroe County.

/From up that way, he doesn't sound any crazier than the people I grew up around
2012-05-22 12:26:47 PM  
1 votes:
What a farking idiot... communism? Seriously, you stupid, ignorant shiat?

hey Wisconsin, stop voting for morons. They hire more morons.

Wildlife management should be an area that environmentalists on the left and right, whether vegetarians or hunters or whatever, should be able to come together. There's a common interest there.
2012-05-22 12:26:31 PM  
1 votes:
egads...my dad has been biatching and moaning about this guy non-stop (he's still in WI, I'm from there...)

Sure...the rich land owner with huge fences and hundreds of acres wants to make changes...of course you do. there's more money in that.
2012-05-22 12:26:14 PM  
1 votes:

Headso: This guy got his idea from being in Africa, the poorest part of the planet, they have no means to take care of public land. We are a nation that can and does afford maintaining huge national parks that all taxpayers have access to and we don't have poachers here killing off animals for Chinese medicine and blackmarket trinkets for the rich, it's not even a comparable situation.


Erm, what?

Plenty of countries in Africa take public game management and national parks very seriously. They just have a lot of territory to cover and not a lot of money.

And in some of those places the Game Wardens are little guys with a lifetime of tracking experience and AK-47s. And if they catch you poaching they usually don't bother to just give you a ticket with your fine and ban you from hunting for three years. They go straight for the permanent solution.
2012-05-22 12:25:16 PM  
1 votes:

NowhereMon: And yes, he is a Walker appointee.


Now THIS could get Walker recalled.
2012-05-22 12:21:42 PM  
1 votes:
Wisconsin, look upon ye teabagger works and despair.
2012-05-22 12:17:32 PM  
1 votes:
This guy got his idea from being in Africa, the poorest part of the planet, they have no means to take care of public land. We are a nation that can and does afford maintaining huge national parks that all taxpayers have access to and we don't have poachers here killing off animals for Chinese medicine and blackmarket trinkets for the rich, it's not even a comparable situation.
 
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