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		The main thrust of the GOP campaign against Obama is that Romney has better ideas on how to fix the economy. So, let's check the polls and see how that is working out..oh, dear. Um...okay, so what's Plan B? (washingtonpost.com)		162
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unlikely		2012-05-22 08:42:47 AM

To be fair, Romney would have far less difficulty doing what had to be done to fix the economy.

HE wouldn't be facing an opposition party sworn to keep the economy in the shiatter as an object lesson to the people who dared to vote him in.

Mr. Coffee Nerves		2012-05-22 08:55:33 AM

Much like a man convinced that tying cinder blocks to his feet will make him a champion sprinter, the GOP solution is always "well, I guess we just need MOAR tax cuts for the rich!"

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:01:23 AM

unlikely: To be fair, Romney would have far less difficulty doing what had to be done to fix the economy.

HE wouldn't be facing an opposition party sworn to keep the economy in the shiatter as an object lesson to the people who dared to vote him in.

Yeah, but haven't the lessons of the 112th congress told us that the GOP needs to sit out the white house another 4 years and the congress for another 2 until they get their soul searching done.

//so vote Republican

NateGrey		2012-05-22 09:01:41 AM

Stupid Americans better show some respect to the guy who saved the Auto Industry.

/Vote Republican

Old enough to know better		2012-05-22 09:02:51 AM

It might help if they actually told someone what these brilliant ideas are.

I know, we can pretty much guess, but still...

Da Bum		2012-05-22 09:03:01 AM

Romney should take Plan B and abort his prematurely horrid campaign.

topcon		2012-05-22 09:03:06 AM

Neither of them have any idea how to fix the economy. Neither does entire teams of economists with hundreds of years of shared experience. The economy will recover when it recovers.

Idiots who blame Obama for the lack of recovery are, of course, idiots.

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:03:34 AM

Think of the trees (they're the right height wherever Romney goes)!

Think of the dogs (they're the right size to be mobile-y flexible)!

Think of the people of Dade Behring (my former company, whose employees got s-canned in 1999 so fark you Cory Booker, but I digress)!

Snarfangel		2012-05-22 09:06:45 AM

The main thrust of the GOP campaign against Obama is that Romney has better ideas on how to fix the economy. So, let's check the polls and see how that is working out..oh, dear. Um...okay, so what's Plan B?

It's a form of emergency contraceptive pill that is taken within three days of unprotected sex to prevent pregnancy. But that's not important right now.

shastacola		2012-05-22 09:07:48 AM

So his "tax poor, give rich" campaign isn't as popular as he thought it would be?

Pro Zack		2012-05-22 09:07:50 AM

2000: Republicans: YAY we won.
Democrats: Shucks, we lost.
2004: Republicans: Ha ha, Albore lost the election!
Democrats: RAGEGAARBLE!!!
2008: Republicans: RAGEGAARBLE!!!!
Democrats: RACIST FEARMONGERS!!!
2012: Republicans: BLATHER BLATHER RAGEGAARBLE DERP!
Democrats: RACISM DERP FEAR WHARRGARBLE

Can we go back to 2000?

NateGrey		2012-05-22 09:10:06 AM

Pro Zack: 2000: Republicans: YAY we won.
Democrats: Shucks, we lost.
2004: Republicans: Ha ha, Albore lost the election!
Democrats: RAGEGAARBLE!!!
2008: Republicans: RAGEGAARBLE!!!!
Democrats: RACIST FEARMONGERS!!!
2012: Republicans: BLATHER BLATHER RAGEGAARBLE DERP!
Democrats: RACISM DERP FEAR WHARRGARBLE

Can we go back to 2000?

I know you are a Bush voting Republican, but you really believe that?

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:10:11 AM

Pro Zack: 2000: Republicans: YAY we won.
Democrats: Shucks, we lost.
2004: Republicans: Ha ha, Albore lost the election!
Democrats: RAGEGAARBLE!!!
2008: Republicans: RAGEGAARBLE!!!!
Democrats: RACIST FEARMONGERS!!!
2012: Republicans: BLATHER BLATHER RAGEGAARBLE DERP!
Democrats: RACISM DERP FEAR WHARRGARBLE

Can we go back to 2000?

Yes, both sides are EQUALLY responsible for this mess. Go to this URL for a job.

www.monster.com/politifact

Deneb81		2012-05-22 09:10:34 AM

Snarfangel: The main thrust of the GOP campaign against Obama is that Romney has better ideas on how to fix the economy. So, let's check the polls and see how that is working out..oh, dear. Um...okay, so what's Plan B?

It's a form of emergency contraceptive pill that is taken within three days of unprotected sex to prevent pregnancy. But that's not important right now.

It could be... What's Romney's position on that?

/how bout now?
//and now?
///what about now?

Sock Ruh Tease		2012-05-22 09:12:24 AM

Plan B is to promise to make Plan B illegal for "sluts" to buy, in all cases. Romney will definitely see a rise in support then.

Dear Jerk		2012-05-22 09:12:24 AM

Lower taxes. That's the entire plan.

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:14:53 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Plan B is to promise to make Plan B illegal for "sluts" to buy, in all cases. Romney will definitely see a rise in support then.

Plan B Sluts? Is that the same as Beer Goggle Sluts?

fracto73		2012-05-22 09:16:26 AM

LazarusLong42		2012-05-22 09:16:32 AM

Old enough to know better: It might help if they actually told someone what these brilliant ideas are.

I know, we can pretty much guess, but still...

I think it thymes with "tax cuts."

Pro Zack		2012-05-22 09:17:20 AM

NateGrey: Pro Zack: 2000: Republicans: YAY we won.
Democrats: Shucks, we lost.
2004: Republicans: Ha ha, Albore lost the election!
Democrats: RAGEGAARBLE!!!
2008: Republicans: RAGEGAARBLE!!!!
Democrats: RACIST FEARMONGERS!!!
2012: Republicans: BLATHER BLATHER RAGEGAARBLE DERP!
Democrats: RACISM DERP FEAR WHARRGARBLE

Can we go back to 2000?

I know you are a Bush voting Republican, but you really believe that?

that political discourse broke down in 2004, and has not moved towards rationality since? at least not on Fark? I think it is plausable.

Lost Thought 00		2012-05-22 09:18:06 AM

When you define your opponent as "Robin Hood" as a negative quality, you will rarely win the popularity contest.

MindStalker		2012-05-22 09:19:47 AM

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:19:48 AM

Pro Zack: NateGrey: Pro Zack: 2000: Republicans: YAY we won.
Democrats: Shucks, we lost.
2004: Republicans: Ha ha, Albore lost the election!
Democrats: RAGEGAARBLE!!!
2008: Republicans: RAGEGAARBLE!!!!
Democrats: RACIST FEARMONGERS!!!
2012: Republicans: BLATHER BLATHER RAGEGAARBLE DERP!
Democrats: RACISM DERP FEAR WHARRGARBLE

Can we go back to 2000?

I know you are a Bush voting Republican, but you really believe that?

that political discourse broke down in 2004, and has not moved towards rationality since? at least not on Fark? I think it is plausable.

Yeah, because Rick Santorum didn't say blacks were lazy, he said BLAH people are lazy.

//seriously bro, look at the clowns who ran for the GOP nomination, and tell me that they didn't bring the discourse there themselves. No, wait, YOU assholes did because you threw the moderates out, moderate is now a dirty word in the GOP, so fark you and the tea party you farking clown. amidoingitrite?

keylock71		2012-05-22 09:20:15 AM

Romney has no ideas beyond, "I'm not a black guy with a foreign sounding name" and 'Tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of everyone else"...

silo123j		2012-05-22 09:20:41 AM

Well, we don't make much of anything anymore, do we? Except spoiled self-indulgent children.

Our large manufacturing base with unions that guaranteed good jobs to those of limited education have trickled away. They are still around in some places, but the vast majority of those jobs have been replaced by service sector jobs that pay a low stagnant wage.

Couple that with an advertising rich society that "makes" those of limited means and limited intelligence want things they do not need and spend money they do not have on crap they do not need and you find a large group of people with plastic toys from china for their kids, fast food wrappers littering their car, non-food in the kitchen, and complaining they cannot make their mortgage payments, but there is big screen TV, a Kinex, and a lazy teenager on the couch texting on a cell phone that there's nothing to do.

Yeah, it was a run on sentence... sue me.

I am as liberal as they come, but Jesus, when are these folks going to wake up? No, they won't. Ever. Lulled by the opiates of the masses.

Pro Zack		2012-05-22 09:21:05 AM

coeyagi: Yes, both sides are EQUALLY responsible for this mess.

The complexity of the problem makes it very difficult to make that claim. I enjoyed the fark political threads much more before 2004.

soaboutthat		2012-05-22 09:21:27 AM

topcon		2012-05-22 09:22:52 AM

coeyagi: Pro Zack: 2000: Republicans: YAY we won.
Democrats: Shucks, we lost.
2004: Republicans: Ha ha, Albore lost the election!
Democrats: RAGEGAARBLE!!!
2008: Republicans: RAGEGAARBLE!!!!
Democrats: RACIST FEARMONGERS!!!
2012: Republicans: BLATHER BLATHER RAGEGAARBLE DERP!
Democrats: RACISM DERP FEAR WHARRGARBLE

Can we go back to 2000?

Yes, both sides are EQUALLY responsible for this mess. Go to this URL for a job.

www.monster.com/politifact

Most Americans like to think American presidents are to blame for the economy, and also think that when the economy gets better, that was also the amazing job of their president, depending on what political party they belong to, and whether or not the president at the time matches their party.

It's idiocy at the lowest level to actually think the president has balls to do with either economic recovery or economic ruin when we're part of a massive and complex global economy.

World economic policies in literally millions of iterations could have been responsible for the current economy. It's simply impossible to point out which ones in which configurations specifically caused things to be the way they are. People seem to forget that virtually every country in the world is in the same boat we are, and Barack Obama or George Bush haven't been making policy in Greece, or France, or England. Now, obviously, America is a larger than average puzzle piece in this, but still yet, America as a whole takes only a relatively small portion of the blame.

The argument over the economic recovery is, thus, a minor one when you're talking about what president you should vote for. The fact is, they simply have little to do with it.

quatchi		2012-05-22 09:22:59 AM

Romney's does have ideas for the economy and a fix is definitely on there but it's more of a "the fix is in" kinda fix than the traditional "mend things" type of fix.

Kinda like the way Bain fixed the companies they bought.

He's surrounded himself with Bush era money men so we know the only ideas he has are "cut taxes and regulations" and then tell the vast majority of Americans to sit back and wait for the economy's wealth to trickle down.

Oh and make the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy permanent.

And create more loopholes like the one he took advantage of to set up a 100 million dollar trust fund for his kid's totally tax free.

And this is not so popular? Hmmm, maybe people are capable of learning.

unlikely		2012-05-22 09:23:30 AM

Pro Zack: I enjoyed the fark political threads much more before 2004.

This account created 6-30-04. Who were you back then? TGOT?

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:23:42 AM

Pro Zack: coeyagi: Yes, both sides are EQUALLY responsible for this mess.

The complexity of the problem makes it very difficult to make that claim. I enjoyed the fark political threads much more before 2004.

I was making the claim sarcastically... because you made the claim sincerely with your 2000, 2004, 2008 rant dialogue. The problem isn't complex at all, btw.

1. 1960s happened.
2. Religious douchebags got upset, blamed the problems of society on the 1960s.
3. Religious assholes started getting elected
4. Here we are, farked.

Citrate1007		2012-05-22 09:24:44 AM

Bush's economic polices + Bush's economic advisers =/= Better.

topcon		2012-05-22 09:26:37 AM

Oh, and I meant to throw in something about cyclical periods of depressed economies. Any utterly complex, organic economic system (i.e. numerous systems devised by humans spread out over many countries) is going to spin out of whack at some point. But we still need someone to blame, even though no one is really to blame.

Snarfangel		2012-05-22 09:26:52 AM

LazarusLong42: Old enough to know better: It might help if they actually told someone what these brilliant ideas are.

I know, we can pretty much guess, but still...

I think it thymes with "tax cuts."

So...Fax nuts?

Well, okay, if you think it will help.

Pro Zack		2012-05-22 09:27:43 AM

coeyagi: Yeah, because Rick Santorum didn't say blacks were lazy, he said BLAH people are lazy.

I never listened to Rick Santorum. The fact that his name became a joke made it very difficult to do so. the fact that his platform was entirely made up of social issues removed him from my consideration.

MayoSlather		2012-05-22 09:29:07 AM

topcon: Neither of them have any idea how to fix the economy. Neither does entire teams of economists with hundreds of years of shared experience. The economy will recover when it recovers.

Idiots who blame Obama for the lack of recovery are, of course, idiots.

I disagree...The economy can be fixed in a sustainable way, but merely tweaking it in a conventional fashion isn't going to solve anything. The coalescence of monetary resources is the crux of the problem and the effect is an eroding the middle class, creating an increasingly anti-competitive market, and killing jobs; a stimulus or adjusting of interest/tax rates isn't going fix that.

MyRandomName		2012-05-22 09:29:27 AM

shastacola: So his "tax poor, give rich" campaign isn't as popular as he thought it would be?

How come liberals can't argue actual policy and always resort.to strawmen? The only tax policy romney has stated is close loopholes and lower all tax bracket rates. Even Obama's debt commission came to that conclusion. Closing tax loopholes is one of two ways to raise tax revenue, and it is the one that removes government.favoritism.

Cat Food Sandwiches		2012-05-22 09:29:43 AM

When half the households don't pay any federal income tax, and half the households receive a government check, do you think there's any way in hell a Conservative wins? I don't.

Pro Zack		2012-05-22 09:30:37 AM

unlikely: account created 6-30-04. Who were you back then? TGOT?

I was a lurker for a while.... maybe I liked the threads more before I got involved ;)

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:30:51 AM

Pro Zack: coeyagi: Yeah, because Rick Santorum didn't say blacks were lazy, he said BLAH people are lazy.

I never listened to Rick Santorum. The fact that his name became a joke made it very difficult to do so. the fact that his platform was entirely made up of social issues removed him from my consideration.

FFS, dude, he was only the worst of them, why is any of this shiat relevant? Personhood, contraceptives, trans-vaginal ultrasounds, gay marriage - fark all of these clowns for getting people outraged about it.

Every god damn time one of these topics comes up, they all get farking Biblical, so congrats, vote for one of the theofascists. Hell, vote for Ron Paul too, you probably think he's pretty bad ass - FNCK the BIG GOVERNMENT - when he's just as much a theofascist as the rest.

GoodyearPimp		2012-05-22 09:31:45 AM

Let's see what Romney's ideas are:

1. "At Bain I always made money, so that means I am excellent"

2. Ads featuring working people farked over by Bain.

3. "Those ads are deplorable, how dare they!"

So if I understand -- we can talk about previous employment when it's in a good light, but not when it's not. What an asshole.

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:32:27 AM

MyRandomName: shastacola: So his "tax poor, give rich" campaign isn't as popular as he thought it would be?

How come liberals can't argue actual policy and always resort.to strawmen? The only tax policy romney has stated is close loopholes and lower all tax bracket rates. Even Obama's debt commission came to that conclusion. Closing tax loopholes is one of two ways to raise tax revenue, and it is the one that removes government.favoritism.

Why can't you do a simple google search to prove yourself wrong?

Link

Raharu		2012-05-22 09:32:41 AM

Deneb81		2012-05-22 09:33:26 AM

MyRandomName: shastacola: So his "tax poor, give rich" campaign isn't as popular as he thought it would be?

How come liberals can't argue actual policy and always resort.to strawmen? The only tax policy romney has stated is close loopholes and lower all tax bracket rates. Even Obama's debt commission came to that conclusion. Closing tax loopholes is one of two ways to raise tax revenue, and it is the one that removes government.favoritism.

What tax loop holes? Which holes is he going to close to pay for the reduction in overall rates?

Doesn't that mean tax increases on some people? Who? And won't that still require the raising of the debt ceiling?

Fart_Machine		2012-05-22 09:34:09 AM

Dr Dreidel		2012-05-22 09:34:11 AM

Pro Zack: that political discourse broke down in 2004

Wait, you're serious? You better have been born in 1990.

The political discourse has been shiatty at least since 1998, and I remember '96 and '94 as not particularly well-argued either.

If you ask some old-timers, they'll tell you 1980 was no picnic, either.

HotWingConspiracy		2012-05-22 09:35:13 AM

Deneb81		2012-05-22 09:36:32 AM

Cat Food Sandwiches: When half the households don't pay any federal income tax, and half the households receive a government check, do you think there's any way in hell a Conservative wins? I don't.

A lot of the people GETTING those checks vote conservative and want those programs to continue. Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security are some of the biggest budget drags, and overwhelmingly popular. Why doesn't Romney honestly campaign on the changes and reductions he'd make there?

coeyagi		2012-05-22 09:38:32 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Cat Food Sandwiches: When half the households don't pay any federal income tax, and half the households receive a government check, do you think there's any way in hell a Conservative wins? I don't.

A lot of those households vote republican. Buck up, sport.

Exactly. Jesus wrote those checks, but the evil Fartbongulated government stole the checks and put their name on it.

//we came unarmed...this time
///get your government hands off my medicare

Pro Zack		2012-05-22 09:39:02 AM

unlikely: This account created 6-30-04. Who were you back then? TGOT?

That is kind of weird... I know I was farking before 9/11... I didn't think I lurked for 3 years...

coeyagi: 4. Here we are, farked.

yep. farked.

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