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2012-05-22 09:03:53 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Okey again there nees to be citeria met before Movies are remade...

1) Original was in black and white, or 50 years old.

2) Most of the audience that saw it the first time is passed on or so old the do not remember the movie.

3) There were serious story flaws that needed to be corrected.

4) The fact that CGI wasn't around yet is not a factor to it being remade.

After that then fine but the 1980's movie was epic and should not be toyed with. Proof... Footloose.


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2012-05-22 09:04:08 AM  
While I could understand the whole 'don't want to offend the Chinese' thing, there is almost no way I could believe that North Korea could be that much of a threat.

It would be believable for a NK prodigy to secretly develop a wormhole machine that allows HK troops to instantly move to somewhere in the US. Then the movie would be about American rednecks putting down the invasion before the US military even gets a chance to respond.
 
2012-05-22 09:04:36 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Because, you know, the Nork army can just jump aboard ships and planes and invade the USA, no problem.


The Chinese couldn't do that either. It's just a movie.
 
2012-05-22 09:05:55 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: HotIgneous Intruder: Because, you know, the Nork army can just jump aboard ships and planes and invade the USA, no problem.

The Chinese couldn't do that either. It's just a movie.


Neither can Mexicans. Wait....
 
2012-05-22 09:06:26 AM  
This is shaping up for Battleship proportions of success.
 
2012-05-22 09:07:01 AM  
Actually, if they want to make it REALLY interesting, make it an invasion by South Korea.

They came for our Starcraft technology.

Only a handful of basement dwelling gamers stood in their way...
 
2012-05-22 09:07:18 AM  
i50.tinypic.com

Bring em on. I like an army where you can look up their skirts as they are marching.
 
2012-05-22 09:07:38 AM  

Sargun: Old news from March 2011 sure is exciting!


this. Came here because I already read about this in a MAGAZINE. Thats how old this news is.
 
2012-05-22 09:07:51 AM  

Angry Buddha: gopher321: The fact that some moviegoers actually believe a handful of plucky kids can take on an entire invading force in the first place is insulting.

The fact that moviegoers can believe that the North Korean People's Army could launch a successful attack and occupation of a Starbucks, let alone the entire mid-western US is insulting.


Do you guys think that people who went to the Harry Potter movies believe that a bunch of children are using magic wands and pseudo-Latin to fight off a dire evil? Or that movie goers believe that a single rich billionaire can keep a city safe from psychotic villains when the police can't? Or that one severely autistic kid can literally run across the US on a whim, earn a purple heart, start a monumentally successful seafood business, and expound wisdom to people he meets on a bus stop? Or that people who went to see Avengers believe that Scarlett Johanson actually walks around in that skin-tight bodysuit?
 
2012-05-22 09:08:21 AM  

hitlersbrain: That movie was so idiotic, there is simply nothing you could do to make it worse.

That invasion would have lasted about 2 days, with the last day just rounding up the surrendering stragglers.


You mean like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan?
 
2012-05-22 09:08:28 AM  

Mentat: Old news. They did the same thing in Homefront. And now that China has bought AMC Theaters (thanks Bain!), expect a wave of Chinese-made movies hitting our shores soon.


Do you know how racist that post sounded?
 
2012-05-22 09:08:48 AM  
I think the more pressing issue is There's a war on for my mind!
 
2012-05-22 09:08:53 AM  
gopher321: The fact that some moviegoers actually believe a handful of plucky kids can take on an entire invading force in the first place is insulting.

The original's premise that a few thousand Soviet Troops (and some Cuban commandos) could invade the heartland of America and hold it using conventional weapons was what was insulting (to anyone with a functioning IQ).

I remember in college, around the time the movie came out, getting quite a chuckle out of someone trying to tell me how "realistic" that scenario was. All I did was pull out a map and show them how many military installations there were and how many US troops and Nat'l Guard units in the region that would be available to meet such a threat. Not to mention all the "civilians" who would unite as a militia - hell there's probably more high powered rifles in the hands of deer hunters in Colorado than could be carried in by Russian soldiers. The whole original story line was ridiculous, this one is only slightly more ridiculous by a small margin.
 
2012-05-22 09:09:46 AM  

wxboy: Most of the relevant actors are probably Korean anyway, since most Americans can't tell the difference between a Korean and a Chinese man.


$10 says that most Chinese can't tell the difference between a Swede and a Russian.
 
2012-05-22 09:09:56 AM  

wxboy: most Americans can't tell the difference between a Korean and a Chinese man.


This
 
2012-05-22 09:09:57 AM  
Matt Eckert: What about Europe?
Col. Andrew Tanner: I guess they figured twice in one century was enough. They're sitting this one out. All except England, and they won't last very long.
Eckert: Well, who is on our side?
Tanner: Six hundred million screamin' Chinamen.
Darryl Bates: Well, last I heard, there were a billion screamin' Chinamen.
Tanner: There were. [throws whiskey into fire, and it violently ignites for a moment, possibly signifying a Soviet nuclear strike on China]


How are they going to top that with Best Korea?
 
2012-05-22 09:10:32 AM  
North Korea is allied with China. That will probably be offensive too to the Chinese.
 
2012-05-22 09:10:56 AM  

meanmutton: Angry Buddha: gopher321: The fact that some moviegoers actually believe a handful of plucky kids can take on an entire invading force in the first place is insulting.

The fact that moviegoers can believe that the North Korean People's Army could launch a successful attack and occupation of a Starbucks, let alone the entire mid-western US is insulting.

Do you guys think that people who went to the Harry Potter movies believe that a bunch of children are using magic wands and pseudo-Latin to fight off a dire evil? Or that movie goers believe that a single rich billionaire can keep a city safe from psychotic villains when the police can't? Or that one severely autistic kid can literally run across the US on a whim, earn a purple heart, start a monumentally successful seafood business, and expound wisdom to people he meets on a bus stop? Or that people who went to see Avengers believe that Scarlett Johanson actually walks around in that skin-tight bodysuit?


Well, that last bit is more a wish than a belief.
 
2012-05-22 09:11:29 AM  

meanmutton: Do you guys think that people who went to the Harry Potter movies believe that a bunch of children are using magic wands and pseudo-Latin to fight off a dire evil? Or that movie goers believe that a single rich billionaire can keep a city safe from psychotic villains when the police can't? Or that one severely autistic kid can literally run across the US on a whim, earn a purple heart, start a monumentally successful seafood business, and expound wisdom to people he meets on a bus stop? Or that people who went to see Avengers believe that Scarlett Johanson actually walks around in that skin-tight bodysuit?


You know very well that Forrest Gump was a documentary.
 
2012-05-22 09:12:17 AM  
This is how you know they've won.
...although in all fairness, an NK invasion is more realistic.

/because if China really did want to attack us, they'd do it by proxy.
/big nations don't go to war anymore, they outsource to terrorists and puppet states.
 
2012-05-22 09:14:16 AM  

Snort: This is shaping up for Battleship proportions of success.


Battleship already made hundreds of millions of dollars in international release.

/Apparently people will pay for explosions.


meanmutton: wxboy: Most of the relevant actors are probably Korean anyway, since most Americans can't tell the difference between a Korean and a Chinese man.

$10 says that most Chinese can't tell the difference between a Swede and a Russian.


Most Chinese? Probably not. But I've seen some vendors in Beijing who can haggle in Russian.


Ed Finnerty: WORVOLEENS!


www.valvoline.com?
 
2012-05-22 09:14:39 AM  

dittybopper: It's not the "Plucky teenagers defeat the Soviet Army" film that people seem to *THINK* it is. It's a much more realistic, and subtle, movie than people generally give it credit for.


It is. It's really about how the small band take a small harass and retreat approach with whatever weapons that they can muster up. The invading forces are too pre-occupied on the front, so In the attempt to clamp down on them the local authorities just completely repress and brutalize the local population, which only increases the support for the rebels and creates more of them. By the time occupiers can address the wolverines and take them out with special forces, which they easily do, the occupation has a full insurgency at hand. The only guy that sees what's happening the whole time was the Nicaraguan who warns that they will lose as that's exactly what he was doing when Americans were propping up a government in his homeland.

Unfortunately that type of subtlety (which really isn't that subtle at all) is completely lost today. I hear the new one is going to have "evil CIA/Shadow Government teams up with the enemy to support the invasion, zomg!!". If it's not shoved completely down your throat, people wouldn't get it.
 
2012-05-22 09:14:57 AM  
Can they come up with their own movie plots? Why recycle good movies and ruin them? Total Recall anyone?
 
2012-05-22 09:15:20 AM  

SandMann


If I remember the original movie correctly, they fought as partisans for a few months then died.


Basically. Patrick Swayze got to walk away because the general (?) had had enough of the whole thing and just wanted to go home (so he didn't shoot Swayze).

Wasn't there something in the voiceover at the end about the US army actually pushing the invaders out?
 
2012-05-22 09:15:35 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: ey again there nees to be citeria met before Movies are remade...

1) Original was in black and white, or 50 years old.

2) Most of the audience that saw it the first time is passed on or so old the do not remember the movie.

3) There were serious story flaws that needed to be corrected.

4) The fact that CGI wasn't around yet is not a factor to it being remade.

After that then fine but the 1980's movie was epic and should not be toyed with. Proof... Footloose.


I dunno. Remakes? Just shoot the producers.
 
2012-05-22 09:16:33 AM  

dittybopper: hitlersbrain: That movie was so idiotic, there is simply nothing you could do to make it worse.

That invasion would have lasted about 2 days, with the last day just rounding up the surrendering stragglers.

You mean like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan?


BizarreMan: wxboy: most Americans can't tell the difference between a Korean and a Chinese man.

This


What, and most Americans can look at someone who is of European heritage and tell where they're from?
 
2012-05-22 09:17:12 AM  

Old enough to know better: So a small, shiatstain country that can't even get a missile into the air is supposed to conquer the US? I'd facepalm, but I'd probably fracture my skull.


Call me crazy, but I'm sensing a

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x217]

in the making.



AAAnnd I think we're done here
 
2012-05-22 09:17:43 AM  

dittybopper: You mean like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan?


Difference is that China and/or NK wouldn't give a crap about civilians. If the US just bombed the shiat out of Afghanistan and Iraq without regard for civilians, there would've been very few military casualties.
 
2012-05-22 09:18:04 AM  

Mentat: Old news. They did the same thing in Homefront. And now that China has bought AMC Theaters (thanks Bain!), expect a wave of Chinese-made movies hitting our shores soon.


So?
 
2012-05-22 09:18:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: HotIgneous Intruder: Because, you know, the Nork army can just jump aboard ships and planes and invade the USA, no problem.

The Chinese couldn't do that either. It's just a movie.


Yeah, but North Korea doesn't even have as many people as California (24 million vs. 36 million).

You could argue that the PRC could, by pressing most military age men and women into service, build up a military large enough to credibly occupy large portions of the United States. You can't argue that about North Korea. Getting those troops to the US would be easier for the PRC: They could send the initial wave hidden in commercial ships and scheduled airliners (followed quickly by military aircraft and ships, of course). You can't argue that for North Korea, we don't have any significant trade with them.

Of course, I'm not arguing that it's a realistic scenario for the PRC to invade the US, but you can come up with a faintly plausible enough plan, at least by Hollywood standards. You can't do that for the DPRK, though.
 
2012-05-22 09:18:54 AM  
Not like those pussy Russians we didn't give a shiat about pissing off...
 
2012-05-22 09:19:20 AM  

ChuDogg: dittybopper: It's not the "Plucky teenagers defeat the Soviet Army" film that people seem to *THINK* it is. It's a much more realistic, and subtle, movie than people generally give it credit for.

It is. It's really about how the small band take a small harass and retreat approach with whatever weapons that they can muster up. The invading forces are too pre-occupied on the front, so In the attempt to clamp down on them the local authorities just completely repress and brutalize the local population, which only increases the support for the rebels and creates more of them. By the time occupiers can address the wolverines and take them out with special forces, which they easily do, the occupation has a full insurgency at hand. The only guy that sees what's happening the whole time was the Nicaraguan who warns that they will lose as that's exactly what he was doing when Americans were propping up a government in his homeland.

Unfortunately that type of subtlety (which really isn't that subtle at all) is completely lost today. I hear the new one is going to have "evil CIA/Shadow Government teams up with the enemy to support the invasion, zomg!!". If it's not shoved completely down your throat, people wouldn't get it.


Sadly, this.

Subtlety and nuances have been gone from movies for quite a while, even when they have the incredible original to source from.

See: Planet of the Apes
 
2012-05-22 09:19:35 AM  

meanmutton: Do you guys think that people who went to the Harry Potter movies believe that a bunch of children are using magic wands and pseudo-Latin to fight off a dire evil?


No, they don't, but they use what is called "suspension of disbelief" to accept those supernatural elements, and appreciate the movie. But suspension of disbelief is a fragile thing. It requires a coherent world, that adheres consistently to its rules. The public accept magic in the Harry Potter movies, but if somebody were suddenly to kill Voldemort with lightsabers and lasers, the suspension of disbelief would be shattered, because they do not belong in that world.
The strength of Red Dawn worked because it happened in an at least credible world, where people thought the Russians COULD invade the United States. The Red Dawn remake used China, because, nowadays, they are the most likely suspects. Using North Korea shatters the suspension of disbelief, because everybody knows there's no way in hell this piss-poor country has the strength to accomplish that.
 
2012-05-22 09:19:56 AM  

meanmutton: Mentat: Old news. They did the same thing in Homefront. And now that China has bought AMC Theaters (thanks Bain!), expect a wave of Chinese-made movies hitting our shores soon.

Do you know how racist that post sounded?


How does that sound remotely racist? The Chinese company Wanda that bought AMC has stated that it wants to control 20% of the global entertainment distribution market by 2020. China has been working aggressively to expand its native entertainment industry. Disney just signed a deal with China to promote Iron Man 3 there which would include filming part of the movie in China. Why do you think they bought the second largest movie chain in America when theater profits for the American market have flatlined? Do you think it was just to get a cut of The Avengers?
 
2012-05-22 09:19:58 AM  
I don't get why Red Dawn is so popular with conservatives. It's about a bunch of terrorists who hide among the civilian population, don't wear uniforms, and despite that wage war on brave hero troops. This is hypocrisy at its finest.
 
2012-05-22 09:20:31 AM  

Angry Buddha:
The fact that moviegoers can believe that the North Korean People's Army could launch a successful attack and occupation of a Starbucks, let alone the entire mid-western US is insulting.


This. The original 1984 Patrick Swayze film was actually pretty good. But it only works in the context of the Cold War, it doesn't make any sense to be remaking this movie now.
 
2012-05-22 09:20:37 AM  

SweetSilverBlues: I am shocked, shocked to find political correctness run amok in this the Hollywood establishment! doesn't want to offend one of the world's largest consumer base


I mean in the end, isn't that all political correctness is? Not offending someone you want to vote for you, buy something from you or otherwise give you something?

I mean, I don't care what a bunch of potato farking, sister molesting drunks say or do so I'm not all that nice to Irish people. But that's because I don't need one of them to pass out while trying to figure out how to write their name on a ballot.
 
2012-05-22 09:22:23 AM  
NO FARKING WAY would I go see this joke of a movie.....is Hollywood that starved for ideas that they have to remake everything now? The original, though far-fetched was actually plausible.....the Norks? Giving me a big fat farking break!!! Everone should boycott this movie as well as AMC for selling out to foriegners. This country is on the Highway to Hell (props to AC/DC), and the Chinese have the remote control.....Goodbye America as we knew it......


\\sad for my country, but thats what happens when you let the LIBS run things.
 
2012-05-22 09:23:13 AM  

beefoe: The invading force in Red Dawn (already filmed) is changing (post-production) from Chinese troops to North Korean troops because Hollywood doesn't want to offend China a market with 1.6 billion potential paying customers.


Exactly. And yet at least one yobbo upthread blamed it on political correctness.

/Follow the money.
 
2012-05-22 09:23:52 AM  

meanmutton:
What, and most Americans can look at someone who is of European heritage and tell where they're from?


Of course! Here's Finland:
upload.wikimedia.org

Here's Sweden:
www.wow-one.com

And one mustn't forget Norway:
2.bp.blogspot.com

(Okay, I threw the last one in for fun, since the native costumes give them away.)
 
2012-05-22 09:24:14 AM  
Best Korea invades via Photoshoop!
 
2012-05-22 09:24:27 AM  

QuesoDelicioso: Well, a Chinese corporation did just buy AMC. Wouldn't be surprised to find this sort of thing happening more often.

If anyone's curious...


Amazing that the article linked to the thread didn't mention that.

Oh, wait...
 
2012-05-22 09:24:56 AM  

meanmutton: wxboy: Most of the relevant actors are probably Korean anyway, since most Americans can't tell the difference between a Korean and a Chinese man.

$10 says that most Chinese can't tell the difference between a Swede and a Russian.


Exactly how are we supposed to tell them apart before they speak and say 'Hello, I'm from Blahistan'? Pretty racist to think you could. I mean, sure the asian looking fellow with a 20k gold chain is probably Chinese and the guy listening to grindcore in the sauna is probably Finnish, but those are big and diverse countries, you know.
 
2012-05-22 09:25:36 AM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Okey again there nees to be citeria met before Movies are remade...

1) Original was in black and white, or 50 years old.

2) Most of the audience that saw it the first time is passed on or so old the do not remember the movie.

3) There were serious story flaws that needed to be corrected.

4) The fact that CGI wasn't around yet is not a factor to it being remade.

After that then fine but the 1980's movie was epic and should not be toyed with. Proof... Footloose.


I'm waiting for Michael Bay to remake Dr. Strangelove

/just thinking about it makes me feel stabby
 
2012-05-22 09:25:50 AM  

lawboy87: The original's premise that a few thousand Soviet Troops (and some Cuban commandos) could invade the heartland of America and hold it using conventional weapons was what was insulting (to anyone with a functioning IQ).


You forgot about the "selective nuke strikes". Weren't you listening to Col. Tanner describing the war up to that point?

Col. Andy Tanner: [Describing the invasion] West Coast. East Coast. Down here is Mexico. First wave of the attack came in disguised as commercial charter flights same way they did in Afghanistan in '80. Only they were crack Airborne outfits. Now they took these passes in the Rockies.
Jed Eckert: So that's what hit Calumet.
Col. Andy Tanner: I guess so. They coordinated with selective nuke strikes and the missiles were a helluva lot more accurate than we thought. They took out the silos here in the Dakotas, key points of communication.
Darryl Bates: Like what?
Col. Andy Tanner: Oh, like Omaha, Washington, Kansas City.
Darryl Bates: Gone?
Col. Andy Tanner: Yeah. That's right.
Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. They managed to infiltrate SAC bases in the Midwest, several down in Texas and wreaked a helluva lot of havoc, I'm here to tell you. They opened up the door down here, and the whole Cuban & Nicaraguan armies come walking right through, rolled right up here through the Great Plains.
Robert: How far did they get?
Col. Andy Tanner: Cheyenne, across to Kansas. We held them at the Rockies and the Mississippi. Anyway, the Russians reinforced with 60 divisions. Sent three whole army groups across the Bering Strait into Alaska, cut the pipeline, came across Canada to link up here in the middle, but we stopped their butt cold. The lines have pretty much stabilized now.


Don't forget, in the Red Dawn world, Mexico had fallen to the communists prior to the invasion.
 
2012-05-22 09:25:54 AM  

Snarfangel: Here's Sweden:


Why do they refuse to use hot Swedes in Swedish films?
 
2012-05-22 09:26:17 AM  

SandMann: This movie was already made in Australia. They solved the problem by not even naming who the enemy was.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308]


Aw, that looks awful just from the poster. I feel like I already saw it and hated it.
 
2012-05-22 09:26:59 AM  

ThePastafarian: beefoe: The invading force in Red Dawn (already filmed) is changing (post-production) from Chinese troops to North Korean troops because Hollywood doesn't want to offend China a market with 1.6 billion potential paying customers.

Exactly. And yet at least one yobbo upthread blamed it on political correctness.

/Follow the money.


"Economical correctness" doesn't have the same ring, wanker.
 
2012-05-22 09:28:36 AM  
I miss the days when, of you dare ever mentioned "Free Trade with Communist China", or encouraging any economic or cultural understanding with any Communist country....you were executed for treason.

It is all the Commie Free Traders, in both parties, who kowtow to the Commie Chinese. While Free Trader Globalists think that its good to appease the Communist Chinese at the expense of Americans....the Commie Chinese are laughing in everyone's faces

Sickening that so many kowtow to the Communist Chinese. But, hey, you support Free Trade with Communist China....you are a Commie
 
2012-05-22 09:28:59 AM  

SweetSilverBlues: I am shocked, shocked to find political correctness run amok in this Hollywood establishment!


Please, it is business.

You want to toss one of the biggest markets in the world just to make a statement?

OTOH, The Best Korea and China have a strong alliance.

China may still be p*ssed.
 
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