Jim from Saint Paul: Tat'dGreaser: I liked the last one, I thought it had good action scenes and was fun.

YOU HAVE NO TASTE IN FIWAGRBABARGRBAGRBARABABABAEL!!11!!1!

/no people don;t have to like it
//it's just as dumb as ToD which everyone who hates CS gives a free pass too

That is a completely played out and stupid argument. ToD gets ragged on plenty. If you get right down to the brass tacks every IJ movie has a couple of scenes that are over the top, that's the point of the genre. Crystal Skulls problem is that with the exception of a few scenes the entire movie is a jumbled mess that feels like it was slapped together five minutes before filming started. "Hey you know what would be cool? A sword fight during the jeep chase in the jungle!" "Uh, how do we do that? There's no road." "No problem, we'll just have a giant tree shredding machine cut them one!" "Awsome! OK, roll camera 2!" There's no real pace to the movie and damn near everything feels forced.

And the vine swinging, dear God the vine swinging....

Unless it gets great reviews, I won't go see it. 4 was just bad and it made me feel bad.

Snatch Bandergrip: Obligatory, and as usual, right on the money

/Pizza roll

"part time"

That line bothers me so much. I don't know why, but it's just so terribly done.

"part time".

The CGI was crap, the acting was crap, the plot was boring and stupid at the same time. I didn't care about any of the characters, I didn't care where they were going and what they were doing. I don't know why they were doing it.

Slaxl: optikeye: cptjeff: They're not supposed to be realistic. They're supposed to be based on mid century pulp novels with widely exaggerated stories, where facts were suspended when they didn't serve the story. You suspend disbelief, and they entertain. IMO, the fourth fit pretty well in that context.

You don't get it...the complaint isn't that it was unrealistic. The problem was it sucked.

People don't seem to focus on the "it sucked" part, most of the complaints go by way of "surviving a nuke blast in a fridge? How unrealistic". Or "Aliens? How unrealistic". Only a handful say "goddamn that stupid farking kid he ruins all films he's in".

Anyway, I wish people would stop claiming their childhood destroyed by alterations. He hasn't gone back and altered childhoods. The fun had watching original films was still real, he hasn't sucked it out of existence by modifying a film, or creating a bad sequel.

Overall, I didn't like the movie very much. However...

I didn't mind the fridge scene, really. It wasn't any more ridiculous than the whole life-raft plane jump. And it was sort of a nice intro to "Indy moves into the next era" kind of thing.

I enjoyed the banter when Marion FINALLY showed up. I think that that was sort of a "thing" that most of the other Indy movies had going for them..you had these characters arguing over some mundane things while they were in the heat of some battle. I really wish that the movie had a lot more of the banter going on.

On the other hand...

THE MONKEYS! THOSE DAMNED MONKEYS!!! Up to that point in the entire movie series, animals pretty much acted how animals would act. The whole monkey scene is the equivalent of, say, the snakes in the first movie deciding to form a snake ladder so that Marion and Indy could climb out of the Well of Souls. Up to that point, the whole jungle chase scene was pretty enjoyable (obvious CG effects aside).

I'm not a fan of the whole "inner-space spaceship thing," or at least, making it that obvious and overblown. A crystal skull with mind control powers just seems fine and dandy enough; I don't really need to know all the exacting details of it's origin...just the legends. I can almost forgive them for trying that as a slightly different take. Except that from all the interviews I've seen, the reason Lucas gives for demanding aliens isn't "let's try something different," it's "Aliens are cool! I love aliens!".

So screw Lucas on that point.

Slaxl: Anyway, I wish people would stop claiming their childhood destroyed by alterations. He hasn't gone back and altered childhoods. The fun had watching original films was still real, he hasn't sucked it out of existence by modifying a film, or creating a bad sequel.

I still get goosebumps at how awesome the sequence is in Raiders when Indy hijacks the truck with the ark in it. It is a nearly perfect 10 minutes of film. Listen to how perfectly William's score goes along with the action. It's well shot, and visually captivating. It's suspenseful. Who doesn't recall the first time he grabs the hood ornament...and it creaks as it slowly shears off?

And the effects are real. This is what nails down for me why everything Lucas does from this point (aside from his inability to write or direct dialog). That effect of Indy under the truck? Watch how gritty and dusty it is--that's the part you can't fake--the IMperfections.

Besides being an egomaniac, Lucas has a faulty vision of filmmaking. Maybe he got gout or something, but he's gotten insultingly lazy in all aspects other than "filling the screen with as much digital shiat as possible".

cptjeff: I really don't get why people objected to the last one so strongly. Yeah, it was unrealistic as hell. Okay, now rewatch the original three. Were any of them particularly believable?

They're not supposed to be realistic. They're supposed to be based on mid century pulp novels with widely exaggerated stories, where facts were suspended when they didn't serve the story. You suspend disbelief, and they entertain. IMO, the fourth fit pretty well in that context.

Knock it if you want, but really, you're acting like the people who analyze the validity of Star Trek by pointing out that the technology doesn't exist. It's just an incredibly vapid exercise.

My main problem with the fourth one is how Marion Ravenwood was sidelined for Mutt Williams. In the Frank Darabont script, which was vetoed by Lucas despite the fact that Spielberg and Ford loved it, she's the main sidekick and there was no long lost son. Occam's Razor suggests that Lucas was really hoping to jump start a new Mutt Williams franchise, but scrapped that when Mutt was only slightly better received than Jar Jar Binks. And that was further augmented with Shia LaBeouf showing himself to be a thoroughly unlikable douche every time he gave an interview. And of course, Spielberg could not have been happy with Shia publicly blaming him for the movie's shortcomings. So I'm guessing if the fifth one ever does happen, it will be 100% Shia LaBeouf-free.

gunga galunga: cptjeff: I really don't get why people objected to the last one so strongly. Yeah, it was unrealistic as hell. Okay, now rewatch the original three. Were any of them particularly believable?

They're not supposed to be realistic. They're supposed to be based on mid century pulp novels with widely exaggerated stories, where facts were suspended when they didn't serve the story. You suspend disbelief, and they entertain. IMO, the fourth fit pretty well in that context.

Knock it if you want, but really, you're acting like the people who analyze the validity of Star Trek by pointing out that the technology doesn't exist. It's just an incredibly vapid exercise.

My main problem with the fourth one is how Marion Ravenwood was sidelined for Mutt Williams. In the Frank Darabont script, which was vetoed by Lucas despite the fact that Spielberg and Ford loved it, she's the main sidekick and there was no long lost son. Occam's Razor suggests that Lucas was really hoping to jump start a new Mutt Williams franchise, but scrapped that when Mutt was only slightly better received than Jar Jar Binks. And that was further augmented with Shia LaBeouf showing himself to be a thoroughly unlikable douche every time he gave an interview. And of course, Spielberg could not have been happy with Shia publicly blaming him for the movie's shortcomings. So I'm guessing if the fifth one ever does happen, it will be 100% Shia LaBeouf-free.

I did not know that. And from interviews I've seen with Spielberg and Ford, I'm not sure if either of them would be interested in a 5th. They seem pretty disappointed in capitulating to Lucas for the 4th; if they are involved, hopefully they have more creative control.

And, maybe this was explained, but if Mutt is Marion's and Indy's kid, why is his last name Williams and not Ravenwood?

/Newt Gunray!
//Darth BadDialogus!

Flappyhead: "Hey you know what would be cool? A sword fight during the jeep chase in the jungle!" "Uh, how do we do that? There's no road."

Silly monkey. Where they are going, they don't need roads.

Quick question: Is the only real difference between George Lucas and Michael Bay basically Harrison ford?

I say yes, because they both get a huge boner over special effects, neither of them can write dialogue that is worth a crap, and they are both horrible at actually telling stories.

I could get on board with Indy 5 if they move it into the 60s and have Indy start experimenting with the psychedelic drugs of that era. They could call it "Indiana Jones and the Blessed Bong", and it should be filled with full-color, CGI head trips in 3D.

I saw raiders at the theater when i was a kid, still one of the greatest things i saw at a theater.. after that.. downhill at high speed:( Lucas is the devil...

I didn't like Crystal Skull because Indy was unnecessary. He went along for the ride, but if the Russians got the skull on their own and took it to the temple, on their own, it would have had the same result.

/in fact, if Indy let the Nazis have the Ark, chances are he could have ended WWII before it started, assuming Hitler took a peek inside first

PvtHike: I really hate George Lucas.

I can see about being disappointed or not living up to expectations - but 'really hate'?

born_yesterday: I did not know that. And from interviews I've seen with Spielberg and Ford, I'm not sure if either of them would be interested in a 5th. They seem pretty disappointed in capitulating to Lucas for the 4th; if they are involved, hopefully they have more creative control.

I imagine Ford would do it if Spielberg asked him to do it. Especially considering that as poorly received as it was, KOTCS was the only box office hit Ford has had for at least 15 years. And I wouldn't be surprised if Spielberg, who unlike Lucas is very mindful of the audience who grew up with his movies (hence "Sorry about the walkie-talkies. My bad."), wanted to do a do-over and end the franchise on a high note.

And, maybe this was explained, but if Mutt is Marion's and Indy's kid, why is his last name Williams and not Ravenwood?

Because Marion married somebody named Colin Williams, and raised Mutt to believe that he was his father.

Tannhauser: Unless it gets great reviews, I won't go see it. 4 was just bad and it made me feel bad.

cptjeff: I really don't get why people objected to the last one so strongly. Yeah, it was unrealistic as hell. Okay, now rewatch the original three. Were any of them particularly believable?

They're not supposed to be realistic. They're supposed to be based on mid century pulp novels with widely exaggerated stories, where facts were suspended when they didn't serve the story. You suspend disbelief, and they entertain. IMO, the fourth fit pretty well in that context.

Knock it if you want, but really, you're acting like the people who analyze the validity of Star Trek by pointing out that the technology doesn't exist. It's just an incredibly vapid exercise.

Right, but whereas in the first three we had to suspend disbelief for the supernatural elements, the parts of the story based in our physical reality were more or less believeable (okay, so probably not going to survive riding an inflatable raft as a parachute, but maybe, just maybe...). Then the fourth gave us the refrigerator. There is simply no stretch of imagination that would allow a human to survive that unscathed. But then again, hey, since he had already done a couple favors for the big guy upstairs, maybe he was just returning one for once...

I didn't think Indiana was going to be around anymore. I thought KotCS was the handoff to the younger generation, and from the 30's-40's pulp fiction to the 50's-60's.

A crappy handoff, but a handoff.

Verra sad that the combination of Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett couldn't save that movie.

Flappyhead: Jim from Saint Paul: Tat'dGreaser: I liked the last one, I thought it had good action scenes and was fun.

YOU HAVE NO TASTE IN FIWAGRBABARGRBAGRBARABABABAEL!!11!!1!

/no people don;t have to like it
//it's just as dumb as ToD which everyone who hates CS gives a free pass too

That is a completely played out and stupid argument. ToD gets ragged on plenty. If you get right down to the brass tacks every IJ movie has a couple of scenes that are over the top, that's the point of the genre. Crystal Skulls problem is that with the exception of a few scenes the entire movie is a jumbled mess that feels like it was slapped together five minutes before filming started. "Hey you know what would be cool? A sword fight during the jeep chase in the jungle!" "Uh, how do we do that? There's no road." "No problem, we'll just have a giant tree shredding machine cut them one!" "Awsome! OK, roll camera 2!" There's no real pace to the movie and damn near everything feels forced.

And the vine swinging, dear God the vine swinging....

I am not saying you have to like CS in any way.

I am suggesting that ToD was just as unbelieveable then CS and everyone

Mugato: . A better comparison to flying 50 feet in the air in a fridge would be the scene in ToD where they fly out of the plane in a life raft. Both would break every bone in everyone's body.

Thank you for the clarification.

The Fridge is NOT less believable then "take a raft off a plane going hunderds of miles per hour and make it down a mountain". That's leaving Aliens and VooDoo out of it. (How can you people get angry at aliens like it's so much crazier then god damned VOODOO)?



Hey, if you all say "Well we DO rip ToD" then keep in mind that Last Crusade came after ToD so maybe This show is like Star Trek in reverse. Only the odd's are good.

Fair_Poopsmith: an old G.I. Joe cartoon episode from childhood in which the team is literally infiltrating Cobra in order to find "The MacGuffin Device," and remembering being really irked as a kid that they never explained what it did.

Once Upon a Joe

There it is. Guess I had the plot reversed. Even so.

My favorite episode is still the one about "The Viper"

Fano: born_yesterday: Slaxl: Anyway, I wish people would stop claiming their childhood destroyed by alterations. He hasn't gone back and altered childhoods. The fun had watching original films was still real, he hasn't sucked it out of existence by modifying a film, or creating a bad sequel.

I still get goosebumps at how awesome the sequence is in Raiders when Indy hijacks the truck with the ark in it. It is a nearly perfect 10 minutes of film. Listen to how perfectly William's score goes along with the action. It's well shot, and visually captivating. It's suspenseful. Who doesn't recall the first time he grabs the hood ornament...and it creaks as it slowly shears off?

And the effects are real. This is what nails down for me why everything Lucas does from this point (aside from his inability to write or direct dialog). That effect of Indy under the truck? Watch how gritty and dusty it is--that's the part you can't fake--the IMperfections.

Besides being an egomaniac, Lucas has a faulty vision of filmmaking. Maybe he got gout or something, but he's gotten insultingly lazy in all aspects other than "filling the screen with as much digital shiat as possible".

I was watching ROTS on tv the other day and I couldn't unsee Red Letter Media's knock on the blocking for the actors. Very bland how all the conversations are filmed.

It's some of the best film criticism that exists. he doesn't just slam it (though he points out a lot of minor things) he does very well in the analysis, like asking people to describe characters in the original trilogy vs phantom menace. genius work. plus the side story of the chick in his basement is pretty good.


/pizza rolls

potato_chip_eating_geek: Fano: born_yesterday: Slaxl: Anyway, I wish people would stop claiming their childhood destroyed by alterations. He hasn't gone back and altered childhoods. The fun had watching original films was still real, he hasn't sucked it out of existence by modifying a film, or creating a bad sequel.

I still get goosebumps at how awesome the sequence is in Raiders when Indy hijacks the truck with the ark in it. It is a nearly perfect 10 minutes of film. Listen to how perfectly William's score goes along with the action. It's well shot, and visually captivating. It's suspenseful. Who doesn't recall the first time he grabs the hood ornament...and it creaks as it slowly shears off?

And the effects are real. This is what nails down for me why everything Lucas does from this point (aside from his inability to write or direct dialog). That effect of Indy under the truck? Watch how gritty and dusty it is--that's the part you can't fake--the IMperfections.

Besides being an egomaniac, Lucas has a faulty vision of filmmaking. Maybe he got gout or something, but he's gotten insultingly lazy in all aspects other than "filling the screen with as much digital shiat as possible".

I was watching ROTS on tv the other day and I couldn't unsee Red Letter Media's knock on the blocking for the actors. Very bland how all the conversations are filmed.

It's some of the best film criticism that exists. he doesn't just slam it (though he points out a lot of minor things) he does very well in the analysis, like asking people to describe characters in the original trilogy vs phantom menace. genius work. plus the side story of the chick in his basement is pretty good.


/pizza rolls

His consitent knock on the ST:TNG movies vs the TV show is another example of legit analysis veiled as comedy.

/Tv Show Picard... we'll call him "Larry"

For those saying Crustal Skull was just as bad as ToD:

You're absolutely right.

Lucas jumped the shark with ToD. You went from a masterpiece with Raiders, into Short Round (the Pre-Jar-Jar), idiot blonde, monkey-brain dinners, and retarded, over-caricaturized bullcrap characters.

We all should have known that it was over at that point. Lucas got shamed into making a better picture with Grail, but it was clear that the Howard the Duck Lucas had effectively killed the THX-1138 Lucas.

Going from Raiders to ToD was like watching, well, something seriously awesome then following up with a parody. Perhaps he had a stroke; ToD felt absolutely Cargo-Culted from Raiders.

Everything Lucas has touched has felt Cargo-Culted since 1989. The man uses plot 'devices', new characters (Mutt) and CGI like bad pickup lines (vines, snakes).

I'll happily take 30 seconds of Indy on top of a German sub than an hour and a half of brain-rotting garbage from ToD and Crystal Skull.

And I'm perfectly fine to let the vaguest thought of Mutt Williams rot in the sun.

HakunaMatata: cptjeff
If you did not notice the difference in the writing (not even the overall plot - just the dialog), the acting, and the momentum of the 4th movie as compared to the first three, seek help!

Really? I recently re-watched all 4, found ToD absolutely awful (hadn't seen it in years), 3 was great but the writing is just as silly and kiddy at times as 4 is. X marks the spot, the periscope gag, the Scottish accent with the tapestries, and the whole River Phoenix sequence. I think 4 is closer to Raiders than 2 in feel by a long shot.

IDK, I know everyone on fark hates Indy 4 and loves to roll out the old South Park rape jokes, but I think 4 is easily better than 2 and close to 3. And I'll be showing my kids 4 well before 2.

My 0.02.

jj325: Temple of Doom is the worst Indiana Jones movie.

The idea that there are aliens is at least plausible. The idea that there is a lost ark of the covenant and a holy grail is implausible.

Ok... so the best one is 4? You say 2 is the worst and 1 and 3 have no plausability.

I NEVER said THAT, lol.

jj325: Temple of Doom is the worst Indiana Jones movie.

The idea that there are aliens is at least plausible. The idea that there is a lost ark of the covenant and a holy grail is implausible.

So stick to your dramas and romantic comedies and leave the movies that require imagination to the rest of us. :)

Bith Set Me Up: I liked the 4th film. There, I said it. Not as awesome as the first 3, but it doesn't deserve the childish hatred it gets.

I'm with you. I don't even mind Shia LeBeef in it. And bringing back Karen Allen is cool, too. Fridge notwithstanding, it's a fun movie.

violentsalvation: #4 sucked but I'll still watch the next one. And you all will too.


Nope. The last one looked bad, and after Star Wars I knew it was going to suck.... so I skipped it in the theater. The only reason I ever saw it at all, was because a buddy of mine who did get suckered in to seeing it in the theater (and regretted it) forced me watch his pirated rip while hanging out one night so that he could show me just how bad it was. He said I wasn't going to believe how bad it actually turned out, and he was right..... it was objectively bad on every level, and worse than I had even guessed.


Jim from Saint Paul: Right, because Crystal Skull is somehow worse then Temple of Screaming White Biatch Who's farking The Director. Now let me go watch a guy get his heart pulled out of his chest and then stare at it for awhile. Because that is NOT, I repeat NOT dumber then surviving a nuclear explosion in a fridge.

/Kalihma

You're right, it's not dumber. KOTCS was a demonstrably dumber, empirically worse movie than TOD.

The supernatural stuff in TOD was sparse and served to add a small element of additional danger and interest to the story. The supernatural stuff in KOTCS was constant, ever changing, and served to get the protagonists out of every single situation they were in - almost eliminating the very need for protagonists in the film at all. It didn't serve to add danger or interest to KOTCS... it served the purposes of lazy writing and to actually eliminate all tension.

On top of that, little in the movie made any sense whatsoever - well past the point of suspension of disbelief. It wasn't the suspension of disbelief, it was the David Carradine of disbelief.

An entire platoon of Russian troops is operating - in uniform - with impunity on US soil during the cold war?
The giant warehouse where the US government is hiding its most valuable and powerful artifacts is completely unguarded?
Magnetic farking gunpowder.
This crack platoon of elite Russian commandos that is so good they can operate unopposed on US soil during the cold war can't shoot - with automatic weapons - a single 50+ year old man who is literally 5 - 10 feet in front of them, unarmed and unarmored?
Said warehouse is ALSO a rocket test facility?
Rocket tests are being carried out automatically without any engineers or personnel overseeing the tests at all?
Etc. etc. etc.....

The entire movie goes on and on like this, scene after scene of vapid idiocy, so that by the time you get to Shia LaBouf swinging on lousy CGI vines the CGI monkeys with pompadours (MONKEYS WITH FARKING POMPADOURS!!!!!!) is blatantly insulting and your brain is trying to escape through your ear. And that's not even bringing up his pandering with clumsy and forced throwbacks to his early films (the ones he's so obviously just exploiting for cash in lieu of actually creating any sort of worthwhile artistic endeavor) and the badly executed CGI.

It was a shiatty, shiatty movie. One of the worst I've ever seen. And I sat through farking WING COMMANDER in the theater. KOTCS was worse than Wing Commander.

Znuh: For those saying Crustal Skull was just as bad as ToD:

You're absolutely right.

Lucas jumped the shark with ToD. You went from a masterpiece with Raiders, into Short Round (the Pre-Jar-Jar), idiot blonde, monkey-brain dinners, and retarded, over-caricaturized bullcrap characters.

We all should have known that it was over at that point. Lucas got shamed into making a better picture with Grail, but it was clear that the Howard the Duck Lucas had effectively killed the THX-1138 Lucas.

Going from Raiders to ToD was like watching, well, something seriously awesome then following up with a parody. Perhaps he had a stroke; ToD felt absolutely Cargo-Culted from Raiders.

Everything Lucas has touched has felt Cargo-Culted since 1989. The man uses plot 'devices', new characters (Mutt) and CGI like bad pickup lines (vines, snakes).

Marcia Lucas, George's ex-wife, was his saving grace. She was the influence of humanity in his technical fascinations. She (along with Chew and Hirsch) rescued Star Wars with her re-edits. Then they divorced in the mid-80s, likely because George is a robot. He hasn't made anything good since, and she hasn't made anything since, which is a goddamn tragedy, because she was an amazing editor. Tragic.

Jim from Saint Paul: The Fridge is NOT less believable then "take a raft off a plane going hunderds of miles per hour and make it down a mountain". That's leaving Aliens and VooDoo out of it. (How can you people get angry at aliens like it's so much crazier then god damned VOODOO)?

Here's a great example of how KOTCS is EMPIRICALLY worse.

Did you like that raft scene? Because in KOTCS they do the same thing..... but THREE TIMES. So if that scene in TOD was unbelievable for you then KOTCS is thee times more unbelievable. Where the fark are these falls too, because they are the longest series of waterfalls in the world, and by all rights should be ending somewhere deep in the Earth's farking crust. And you can practically hear George Lucas cackling, "Did you like the raft scene in TOD? 'Cause here comes that but made EXTREME!"

mongbiohazard: Jim from Saint Paul: The Fridge is NOT less believable then "take a raft off a plane going hunderds of miles per hour and make it down a mountain". That's leaving Aliens and VooDoo out of it. (How can you people get angry at aliens like it's so much crazier then god damned VOODOO)?

Here's a great example of how KOTCS is EMPIRICALLY worse.

Did you like that raft scene? Because in KOTCS they do the same thing..... but THREE TIMES. So if that scene in TOD was unbelievable for you then KOTCS is thee times more unbelievable. Where the fark are these falls too, because they are the longest series of waterfalls in the world, and by all rights should be ending somewhere deep in the Earth's farking crust. And you can practically hear George Lucas cackling, "Did you like the raft scene in TOD? 'Cause here comes that but made EXTREME!"

I know...right? By the third waterfall, I wanted to shout at the screen, "please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to. I know that you're gonna have it your way or nothing at all, but I think you're moving too fast."

Indiana Jones and the Methodical Ruining of All that is Sacred.

Snatch Bandergrip

Obligatory, and as usual, right on the money

/Pizza roll

Oh fark them. They blather on for 10 minutes in that review on how great shi-le-bu**fu*k is a great natural actor.

All credibility....... gone.

mongbiohazard: violentsalvation: #4 sucked but I'll still watch the next one. And you all will too.


Nope. The last one looked bad, and after Star Wars I knew it was going to suck.... so I skipped it in the theater. The only reason I ever saw it at all, was because a buddy of mine who did get suckered in to seeing it in the theater (and regretted it) forced me watch his pirated rip while hanging out one night so that he could show me just how bad it was. He said I wasn't going to believe how bad it actually turned out, and he was right..... it was objectively bad on every level, and worse than I had even guessed.


Jim from Saint Paul: Right, because Crystal Skull is somehow worse then Temple of Screaming White Biatch Who's farking The Director. Now let me go watch a guy get his heart pulled out of his chest and then stare at it for awhile. Because that is NOT, I repeat NOT dumber then surviving a nuclear explosion in a fridge.

/Kalihma

You're right, it's not dumber. KOTCS was a demonstrably dumber, empirically worse movie than TOD.

The supernatural stuff in TOD was sparse and served to add a small element of additional danger and interest to the story. The supernatural stuff in KOTCS was constant, ever changing, and served to get the protagonists out of every single situation they were in - almost eliminating the very need for protagonists in the film at all. It didn't serve to add danger or interest to KOTCS... it served the purposes of lazy writing and to actually eliminate all tension.

On top of that, little in the movie made any sense whatsoever - well past the point of suspension of disbelief. It wasn't the suspension of disbelief, it was the David Carradine of disbelief.

An entire platoon of Russian troops is operating - in uniform - with impunity on US soil during the cold war?
The giant warehouse where the US government is hiding its most valuable and powerful artifacts is completely unguarded?
Magnetic farking gunpowder.
This crack platoon of elite Russian commando ...

*Sobbing Ralph Wiggum*

"Stop, just stop...he's already dead!"

/BTW, great criticisms

OnlyM3: Snatch Bandergrip

Obligatory, and as usual, right on the money

/Pizza roll

Oh fark them. They blather on for 10 minutes in that review on how great shi-le-bu**fu*k is a great natural actor.

All credibility....... gone.

???

They?

Also, Plinkett gives LaBeef a pass, but he hardly praises him.

Are you talking about Half in the Bag?

/Best part....... forever

mongbiohazard: Jim from Saint Paul: The Fridge is NOT less believable then "take a raft off a plane going hunderds of miles per hour and make it down a mountain". That's leaving Aliens and VooDoo out of it. (How can you people get angry at aliens like it's so much crazier then god damned VOODOO)?

Here's a great example of how KOTCS is EMPIRICALLY worse.

Did you like that raft scene? Because in KOTCS they do the same thing..... but THREE TIMES. So if that scene in TOD was unbelievable for you then KOTCS is thee times more unbelievable. Where the fark are these falls too, because they are the longest series of waterfalls in the world, and by all rights should be ending somewhere deep in the Earth's farking crust. And you can practically hear George Lucas cackling, "Did you like the raft scene in TOD? 'Cause here comes that but made EXTREME!"

See, now that's a solid retort.

I would suggest I refuse to get over the unequivocally most unbelievable thing in the entire series. Real fun starts at roughlt :45.

Also, Indy may have been in a hurry, yet you can't convince me he get's on a plane with his NEMESIS' name on it. There's no way he is THAT unprepared.

That being said, The Raft/Waterfall argument is solid and makes a good case for it being worse.

Off to watch Red Letter Media's review of this. Till this thread I didn't know they had done one.

gunga galunga: mongbiohazard: Jim from Saint Paul: The Fridge is NOT less believable then "take a raft off a plane going hunderds of miles per hour and make it down a mountain". That's leaving Aliens and VooDoo out of it. (How can you people get angry at aliens like it's so much crazier then god damned VOODOO)?

Here's a great example of how KOTCS is EMPIRICALLY worse.

Did you like that raft scene? Because in KOTCS they do the same thing..... but THREE TIMES. So if that scene in TOD was unbelievable for you then KOTCS is thee times more unbelievable. Where the fark are these falls too, because they are the longest series of waterfalls in the world, and by all rights should be ending somewhere deep in the Earth's farking crust. And you can practically hear George Lucas cackling, "Did you like the raft scene in TOD? 'Cause here comes that but made EXTREME!"

I know...right? By the third waterfall, I wanted to shout at the screen, "please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to. I know that you're gonna have it your way or nothing at all, but I think you're moving too fast."

Also, there were natives who either lived inside the walls, or very quickly gathered and set themselves to pop out of the walls should an outsider ever enter their temple. Seems a bit elaborate for a tribe living deep inside a jungle at the bottom of a massive triple waterfall.

Electromax: HakunaMatata: cptjeff
If you did not notice the difference in the writing (not even the overall plot - just the dialog), the acting, and the momentum of the 4th movie as compared to the first three, seek help!

Really? I recently re-watched all 4, found ToD absolutely awful (hadn't seen it in years), 3 was great but the writing is just as silly and kiddy at times as 4 is. X marks the spot, the periscope gag, the Scottish accent with the tapestries, and the whole River Phoenix sequence. I think 4 is closer to Raiders than 2 in feel by a long shot.

IDK, I know everyone on fark hates Indy 4 and loves to roll out the old South Park rape jokes, but I think 4 is easily better than 2 and close to 3. And I'll be showing my kids 4 well before 2.

My 0.02.

Temple of Doom is much better than Fark gives it credit for being. Grail was not faithful to the series, and became stupid and slapsticky for no reason...

The true order of quality is as follows:

1,2,3,4

Indiana Jones: Only Raiders and Last Crusade exist to me.

1.) Judeo- Christian artifact
2.) Nazis
3.) Hot Girl
4.) Testing of Faith

/No bloody glowing Hindu river rocks.
//No fuxxing computer animated monkeys.
///No goddam Space Aliens.
////And, and this is a big AND, No shiatting Shia LaBeouf!

Because it fits everyone opinion of everyone ELSE the thread quite nicely: