extremism in ANY religion is bad.

He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

So, it's genetic then?

"Build a great, big, large fence -- 150 or 100 mile long -- put all the lesbians in there,"

Go on....

See, this sounds like someone confusing 'sinful' with 'distasteful.' Do you think he has that kind of visceral 'ewwww' reaction to all sin? Do you think someone who steals paperclips from the office or skims a bit off the travel account makes him want to vomit?

dameron: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

So, it's genetic then?

You know what, though? If you put all the heterosexual males inside in electrified pen, they would reproduce!

He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Gay /=sterile, numbnuts.

As long as we're building fences to separate people, can I be on the queer side? I'm straight, but anything that keeps religious nutbags away from me is fine in my book.

Chariset: See, this sounds like someone confusing 'sinful' with 'distasteful.' Do you think he has that kind of visceral 'ewwww' reaction to all sin? Do you think someone who steals paperclips from the office or skims a bit off the travel account makes him want to vomit?

And by vomit, he meant vomit sperm out of his penis.

Yeah yeah its a stereotype, but goddamn if this isn't an example of protesting too much I don't know what is.

Hoban Washburne: As long as we're building fences to separate people, can I be on the queer side? I'm straight, but anything that keeps religious nutbags away from me is fine in my book.

Oooo. I hadn't thought of that.

Gwendolyn: Hoban Washburne: As long as we're building fences to separate people, can I be on the queer side? I'm straight, but anything that keeps religious nutbags away from me is fine in my book.

Oooo. I hadn't thought of that.

It's effectively why I consider myself a citizen of New Orleans, but not Louisiana.

Aw, isn't that cute. I know we're not supposed to Godwin, but come on. This guy in nearly every shape wants to create Nazi concentration camps. The only thing he didn't say is that we should have pink triangles stitched to our clothes.

Disgusting.

If there is a God who agrees with this man, all hope is lost.

WorldCitizen: If there is a God who agrees with this man, all hope is lost.

oh there's a couple of gods out there that would agree with this ranting...they're just not christian ones.

couple/few of the old gods would be just fine with blood sacrifices. Moloch, Ba'al, some of the babylonian gods.

Weaver95: WorldCitizen: If there is a God who agrees with this man, all hope is lost.

oh there's a couple of gods out there that would agree with this ranting...they're just not christian ones.

couple/few of the old gods would be just fine with blood sacrifices. Moloch, Ba'al, some of the babylonian gods.

...Yahweh....

*cough*

Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire.

Whenever I hear this kind of claptrap I tend to think "Gee, sorry Jimbo didn't let you suck his dick all those decades ago."

And then I think, man, mortality is a blessing.

gilgigamesh: Weaver95: WorldCitizen: If there is a God who agrees with this man, all hope is lost.

oh there's a couple of gods out there that would agree with this ranting...they're just not christian ones.

couple/few of the old gods would be just fine with blood sacrifices. Moloch, Ba'al, some of the babylonian gods.

...Yahweh....

*cough*

Yahweh wimped out at the last minute though. I think he was more into dicking with your mind then actually being 'evil'. sort of like having a big brother who really does try to do the right thing, but goes about it all wrong.

Then there's Christ, who's actually a pretty decent god. his followers though...yeesh. some of those guys either didn't get the message or they're just working for some of the old gods and/or demons and using Christ as camoflage. Or maybe the old ones ganged up on Jesus and murdered him and keep his skinned corpse around as a shared disguse. At any rate, a lot of people pretend to follow the Christian god but don't actually do anything he said that his followers should be doing.

And last - but not least - there's the Holy Spirit. Who gets something of a bad rap. sort of like the silent, creepy younger brother. he hangs around and inspires people. sort of like a muse...he fires you up and then lets you loose to do your stuff. In theory, Christ is supposed to direct that passion to do good things...but given how many people aren't actually doing Christ's work, mostly that passion gets misdirected. so these days, the Spirit sort of gave up and works at skate parks in southern california.

You know who else wanted to put gay people in camps until they die?

FlashHarry: extremism in ANY religion is bad.


Precisely.

Weaver95: Yahweh wimped out at the last minute though. I think he was more into dicking with your mind then actually being 'evil'. sort of like having a big brother who really does try to do the right thing, but goes about it all wrong.

Then there's Christ, who's actually a pretty decent god. his followers though...yeesh. some of those guys either didn't get the message or they're just working for some of the old gods and/or demons and using Christ as camoflage. Or maybe the old ones ganged up on Jesus and murdered him and keep his skinned corpse around as a shared disguse. At any rate, a lot of people pretend to follow the Christian god but don't actually do anything he said that his followers should be doing.

And last - but not least - there's the Holy Spirit. Who gets something of a bad rap. sort of like the silent, creepy younger brother. he hangs around and inspires people. sort of like a muse...he fires you up and then lets you loose to do your stuff. In theory, Christ is supposed to direct that passion to do good things...but given how many people aren't actually doing Christ's work, mostly that passion gets misdirected. so these days, the Spirit sort of gave up and works at skate parks in southern california.



I find your beliefs fascinating.

"Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Okay so he basically admits that it's genetic and not a choice (at least for men). That's a gayby step forward.

This seems appropriate.

scottydoesntknow: "Build a great, big, large fence -- 150 or 100 mile long -- put all the lesbians in there,"

Go on....

I have that on DVD.

Holy Ghost to God:"You never give me a chance. You don't know what I can do."
/should be a very obscure film quote.

Countdown til he's caught in bed with a GOP 'family rights' politician ...

can you imagine kissing some man?

Sure I can.. but I bet you imagine it a lot more frequently than I.

Oh, and before we get too much into 'OMG all christianz iz lik dis!!111!1!' consider that this pastor is a baptist. they're the guys who give fire and brimstone hellfire preachers indigestion.

North_Central_Positronics: Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire.

Calm down, Lucille. :)

Shiat like this makes me weep for my country.

Weaver95: Oh, and before we get too much into 'OMG all christianz iz lik dis!!111!1!' consider that this pastor is a baptist. they're the guys who give fire and brimstone hellfire preachers indigestion.

Sorry, Weaver -- Farkers don't listen to reason when there's blood in the water.

He should be classified as a terrorist

Leviticus 19:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: He should be classified as a terrorist

nah. far as preachers go, he's fairly mild.

First thought of mine when I saw this headline

Jesus wore a robe and sandals for day to day business, had long hair, hung out almost exclusively with men except for prostitutes and loved wine enough to create it out of water.

And, he had two Dads.

The example is there, fundtards.

cman: First thought of mine when I saw this headline

Whoops, was supposed to be a picture with the text

Weaver95: nah. far as preachers go, he's fairly mild.

A Taliban by any other name would still be a religious extremist

/I say watch list 'im

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: nah. far as preachers go, he's fairly mild.

A Taliban by any other name would still be a religious extremist

/I say watch list 'im

I honestly don't care what someone preaches about from their pulpit. hellfire, love and respect, be nice to kittens, murder gays in their sleep...it's all good. they can stand up there and talk 'till they're blue in the face. it's when the nutballs get quiet that I start to worry. up in public? have at it junior. nutball who suddenly gets really quiet and develops an interest in paying for rental trucks with fake IDs and money orders...that's a problem.

Weaver95: Oh, and before we get too much into 'OMG all christianz iz lik dis!!111!1!' consider that this pastor is a baptist. they're the guys who give fire and brimstone hellfire preachers indigestion.

I'm more partial to the Christians that claim that no Christians really believe this kind of stuff.

dameron: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

So, it's genetic then?

Because People in power are Stupid: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Okay so he basically admits that it's genetic and not a choice (at least for men). That's a gayby step forward.

I think he's assuming that the gay men won't want anything to do with the lesbians, so there will be no reproducing.

jaylectricity: I think he's assuming that the gay men won't want anything to do with the lesbians, so there will be no reproducing.

Don't let us down rule #34.

WorldCitizen: If there is a God who agrees with this man, all hope is lost.

No. If there is a God who agrees with this man, it should never be worshipped, and instead a means to destroy it should be found as soon as possible so that other Gods and Goddesses (and us humans) don't have to put up with this shiat.

cameroncrazy1984: The pastor delivered his address from Narnia.

I can't see Kings Peter and Edmund, as well as Queens Susan and Lucy---ever allowing the treatment of fellow Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve this way.

Weaver95: couple/few of the old gods would be just fine with blood sacrifices. Moloch, Ba'al, some of the babylonian gods.

Oh please, we have blood sacrifices all the time--we just do it in the name of the State rather than some other God. That's what military service is all about.

Feed him to the lions. If he lives, then God wants us to do this to the gays. If he dies, then he was a false prophet. Let God decide.

*Reads article* Not a Westboro Baptist Church story? Huh.

If we put toddlers in a pen, they'll die off. They won't reproduce. Eventually all toddlers will die out.

If we put priests in a pen, they'll die off. They won't reproduce. Oh sure, they'll assign someone to be the designated altar boy, but that won't help.

If we put senior citizens...

Weaver95: nutball who suddenly gets really quiet and develops an interest in paying for rental trucks with fake IDs and money orders...that's a problem.

Well, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, nationalist groups and militias are fast approaching their 1990's apex. Combine all the derp with an economy that realized it was solely existing on credit and home equity loans? Yeah, there are plenty of those groups out there, and their Lone wolf offspring. I'm surprised they haven't made a few moves yet. It's just a matter of when. I won't be shocked. In fact, I bet you they get a PTSD soldier to do it. Someone's who's in severe mental and physical anguish, easily corruptible and agitated because of the medication they're on. It practically writes itself.

I can see why DHS issued the warning they did about the danger of Real Americans™... They don't need religion as much these days. Plenty of just hate for hate's sake is drivin' these boys.

Weaver95: Oh, and before we get too much into 'OMG all christianz iz lik dis!!111!1!' consider that this pastor is a baptist. they're the guys who give fire and brimstone hellfire preachers indigestion.

You'd be surprised. I'd be willing to be far more Christians agree with this guy on some level than completely disagree. They may not want all gays in a pen to die off, but only because they don't have the balls to take it to its logical conclusion.

it's a rare Christian indeed, in my experience, who is completely okay with my not following their lifestyle choices.

Wow, so much hatred...probably self-hatred.

Do you have to think about gay sex constantly to be a christian nowadays?

RexTalionis: You know who else wanted to put gay people in camps until they die?



This was for a Jehovah's Witness, but it was the best I could find.

/intolerance, how does it work?

And that would actually be The Devil talking, claiming to be a Preacher.

/btw, I can tell from his wide stance,,,

snocone: And that would actually be The Devil talking, claiming to be a Preacher.

/btw, I can tell from his wide stance,,,

This movie now makes so much more sense to me! Thank you for the revelation, brother!

I passed a new law yesterday. It is now legal to beat this guy with an aluminum bat.
In fact, if you are willing to fill out paper work, there is grant money available.

Hoban Washburne: As long as we're building fences to separate people, can I be on the queer side? I'm straight, but anything that keeps religious nutbags away from me is fine in my book.

bwahahahahahahahah
nice one
seriously, we could just move all the nutbags to texas and build a fence

FlashHarry: extremism in ANY religion is bad.


Personally, I think all extremists should be lined up and shot.

/but that's just me.

evil saltine: Benevolent Misanthrope: it's a rare Christian indeed, in my experience, who is completely okay with my not following their lifestyle choices.

"lifestyle choices"?

Well, that's what the more enlightened Christians call my being gay...

propasaurus: You know what, though? If you put all the heterosexual males inside in electrified pen, they would reproduce!

or at least they would die trying

I've been saying this all along (I even said it in my letter to the editor of Raleigh, NC's newspaper the News & Observer: my letter got published right before the primary): the christian bible is an article of faith, NOT FACT! The same goes for all "holy scripts". They are so wrong about so many things in reality.

I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face and fall over!

Not a single religion can prove that their version of god is the one true one (I'm talking empirical data using the scientific method). The ONLY thing we can be sure of is ourselves and each other and our relationships with each other.

Homosexuality has been with us since the dawn of humankind. It may be unusual in relation to the number of the populace, but it's not unnatural. It's not a choice, there's no biological gene, it's simply a state of being.

This so called pastor and those who think like him are a disgrace to the human race.

And by the way - here's another vote for the "What's the over/under on number of days before this asshole gets caught in flagrante delicto with a male escort?" camp.

/Or his male drug dealer
//Or a little boy

MisterLoki: You guys are the real bigots for being intolerant of his intolerance.

He's Dutch.

Jesus Christ

Can we just stop giving nutty Southern Baptists press? Giving them press treats their opinions as if they're a relevant addition to the public discourse.

JasonOfOrillia: MisterLoki: You guys are the real bigots for being intolerant of his intolerance.

He's Dutch.

Well, that explains alot.

Whitewashed sepulchers.

rynthetyn: Can we just stop giving nutty Southern Baptists press? Giving them press treats their opinions as if they're a relevant addition to the public discourse.

It is opposition research. We have to have some clue what the enemy is up to.

s2s2s2: Hell awaits, sodomite!

See Ezekiel 16:49 for an explanation of why I am saying this to this shiathead tool of Satan, the accuser.

um, this only awaits women ...

Submitter: "Christian" pastor calls for gays to be imprisoned in an electrified pen until they die. A Taliban spokesman commented: "Seriously? Don't you think that's a bit over-the-top?"

The Taliban would probably say it's over the top, sure... because why waste all that land when you can just line them up along a ditch and spray AK-47 rounds at them.

Even scarier: The Taliban actually control places with people, unlike this idiot preacher. Not only do they have the power to do this, but they DO do this.


See also: Wahabi Salafism in Saudi Arabia and other emirates.

Christianity is pretty much powerless to do anything like this idiot preacher's vision, and it's doubtful anybody would ever let someone like him get that power in this country... in other words, his brand of extremism is powerless, impotent in today's world. Giving them a voice outside of their narrow minded (and in most cases, unable to change) cult members is dumb and only serves to give them a greater audience - even legitimizing their opinions to those that might otherwise remain on the fence.

Worry more about the jackass extremists who kill people DAILY for their beliefs or biology (race, orientation, sex) RIGHT NOW.

dennysgod: What the "gay" debate would look like if Christians practiced what Jesus preached.

Christian: You know homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of the Lord.
Homosexual: What's your point.
Christian: To enter into heaven and feel Gods love you might want to change your ways.
Homosexual: Na. I'm cool.
Christian: Well, I'll pray for your soul and I'll be available should you change your mind and want to follow the path to eternal salvation.
Homosexual: Ok, but don't hold your breath.

The End.

Christian: God loves everyone.
Homosexual: Cool.

FTFE

namatad: rynthetyn: Can we just stop giving nutty Southern Baptists press? Giving them press treats their opinions as if they're a relevant addition to the public discourse.

It is opposition research. We have to have some clue what the enemy is up to.

I think at this point, we're well aware of what they're up to. Beyond that, we're just legitimizing them. There comes a time where you need to just marginalize certain groups just like all of the racist hate groups have been marginalized and get ignored. As long as we keep reporting everything that each nutty preacher says, they're going to continue to be treated as if their opinion matters.

rynthetyn: Can we just stop giving nutty Southern Baptists press? Giving them press treats their opinions as if they're a relevant addition to the public discourse.

And then they feel the need to one up the last crazy thing that made the news as well. At least that what I want to believe but living in the land of the southern baptist I'm not so sure.

Christ was about loving everyone.

This pastor has missed the point entirely, and shaped Jesus' message to serve his own desires.

Like so many before him.

Just curious, those Farkers here who believe this guy is worse than Osama Bin-Laden: Do you think his audience are sheep, and believe everything he says? Does this preacher have the power to sway his "mob" to think the same way he does, to hate gays enough to pen them up? To blame them for whatever of the country's ills, this idiot preacher claims?

Does this guy have that much influence on his followers? Are the sort of "Christians" who attend his sermons all like that, because, after all, they go to his services and donate money to his church?

Honest question.

airsupport: Christ was about loving everyone.

This pastor has missed the point entirely, and shaped Jesus' message to serve his own desires.

Like so many before him.

All I remember from Catholic services around Easter was the Priest constantly referring to how much Jesus LOVED Paul. I might have missed it, but there HAD to be a make out scene in there somewhere. NTTAWWT.

Weaver95: And last - but not least - there's the Holy Spirit. Who gets something of a bad rap. sort of like the silent, creepy younger brother. he hangs around and inspires people. sort of like a muse...he fires you up and then lets you loose to do your stuff. In theory, Christ is supposed to direct that passion to do good things...but given how many people aren't actually doing Christ's work, mostly that passion gets misdirected. so these days, the Spirit sort of gave up and works at skate parks in southern california.

Wait, so the Holy Spirit is Scott Bakula?

12349876: LesserEvil: Just curious, those Farkers here who believe this guy is worse than Osama Bin-Laden: Do you think his audience are sheep, and believe everything he says? Does this preacher have the power to sway his "mob" to think the same way he does, to hate gays enough to pen them up? To blame them for whatever of the country's ills, this idiot preacher claims?

The Republicans certainly think Jeremiah Wright has that power.

So I take it you believe this nutcase is completely powerless, and it would be better to ignore him, right?

FlashHarry: extremism in ANY religion is bad.

fanatacism or extremism in ANY venue is unacceptable. religion, career, sports, sexuality, you name it. Balance is of vital importance.

Breaker Moran: Whenever I hear this kind of claptrap I tend to think "Gee, sorry Jimbo didn't let you suck his dick all those decades ago."

And then I think, man, mortality is a blessing.

Your observation is genius. it really is the cleansing gift none escape. not all funerals are mourned. people will party in the streets when that west baptist prick dies, for example.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I always hear blanket statements from Christians regarding the Muslim faith all being terrorists because they don't do enough to denounce the crazies among them. Well, Christians, here's an example of a crazy among you who is just as vile as those that committed the attacks of 9-11. He condones mass murder; he is calling for it. The only difference is that those guys actually had the balls to go through with their horrible plans, while this guy is most likely just a cowardly raging pussy that can't handle someone being a little different than him. I'm willing to bet that, with the exception of a few individuals here, this man's sickening and violent rhetoric will not be denounced to any major extent. This is why I despise Christianity. It isn't that one crazy says something like this; it's that the powers that be within your organization will turn a blind eye to it while condemning others for doing the same thing.

you're painting with an economy sized paintbrush. there are what, ten of thousands of houses of worship just in america. there are multiple off-shoots of faiths. there are all sorts of walls and divisions between them. then there is location. a synagogue attending jew in brooklyn ny may not know what is taking place with pentecostals in jupiter FLA just as a devout roman catholic family in oregon may not hear about this news report at all.

i would expect some outrage from local people where the media coverage is highest. but to call out catholics as a whole for every one persons misdeeds, that's not very logical is it. that application doesn't carry over to politicians or military or police or any or group unless you in your ignorance want it to.

tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: Can we just stop giving nutty Southern Baptists press? Giving them press treats their opinions as if they're a relevant addition to the public discourse.

And then they feel the need to one up the last crazy thing that made the news as well. At least that what I want to believe but living in the land of the southern baptist I'm not so sure.

That sort of thing is definitely about trying to one-up the rivals to not only get press, but to prove to your congregation that you're as hard core as the neighboring preachers. Southern Baptists compete over everything, I was once at a Southern Baptist church where the interim pastor deliberately made sure to finish the service 10 minutes before the other Southern Baptist church that he used to be at.

Perhaps straight people should be sterilized since they keep having gay kids?

LesserEvil: Just curious, those Farkers here who believe this guy is worse than Osama Bin-Laden: Do you think his audience are sheep, and believe everything he says? Does this preacher have the power to sway his "mob" to think the same way he does, to hate gays enough to pen them up? To blame them for whatever of the country's ills, this idiot preacher claims?

Does this guy have that much influence on his followers? Are the sort of "Christians" who attend his sermons all like that, because, after all, they go to his services and donate money to his church?

Honest question.

Having grown up in a similar church, I'll take a stab at this one:

I think it's more a case of him preaching what he knows will put money in the plate. He may have convinced himself that he's preaching the word of his god, but he also knows what his audience wants and what they expect from him. The congregants, in turn, believe him, because he's saying what they already "know" and "speaking truth". There is also the sense of being a persecuted minority, and the subsequent radicalization of thought that often happens when a group feels they must band together for security and survival - in this case, survival of their belief system in the face of a world and a Christianity that is rapidly changing. It's a vicious cycle.

If you've never seen the film "Marjoe", you should. And not just the parts about him - look at the other preachers and how they operate.

TheShavingofOccam123: LesserEvil: Just curious, those Farkers here who believe this guy is worse than Osama Bin-Laden: Do you think his audience are sheep, and believe everything he says? Does this preacher have the power to sway his "mob" to think the same way he does, to hate gays enough to pen them up? To blame them for whatever of the country's ills, this idiot preacher claims?

Does this guy have that much influence on his followers? Are the sort of "Christians" who attend his sermons all like that, because, after all, they go to his services and donate money to his church?

Honest question.

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I don't know. Why don't you ask Dr. Tiller.

So you fall into the category of those who believe the preacher holds great power over his followers, that all of their opinions are formed by that charismatic speaker on the pulpit? Everybody who seeks him out will be powerless to hold their own opinions, even if they are in opposition?

You think Dr. Tiller's death was the result of a preacher speaking, not of an individual asshole who was already of a vengeful, homicidal mind?

He sounds ghey.

Kali-Yuga: Then maybe in a few generations mankind can finally throw off the shackles of religion once and for all and the abrahamic god can join the thousands of other omnipotent, omniscient gods in the graveyard of human history.

Funny, but the abrahamic god has been around since at least 1500 BC.
And there are now more followers than ever.

2.3 billion xians
1.6 billion muslims

so figure 4 billion abrahamic followers out of a population of 7 billion.
gonna take a lot more than a few generations to kick that habit.

Dear Fundies:
This is for you.

/if this GIF from Community, doesn't give them heart attacks, I don't know what will...
//couldn't get it to post to Fark...

rynthetyn: tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: Can we just stop giving nutty Southern Baptists press? Giving them press treats their opinions as if they're a relevant addition to the public discourse.

And then they feel the need to one up the last crazy thing that made the news as well. At least that what I want to believe but living in the land of the southern baptist I'm not so sure.

That sort of thing is definitely about trying to one-up the rivals to not only get press, but to prove to your congregation that you're as hard core as the neighboring preachers. Southern Baptists compete over everything, I was once at a Southern Baptist church where the interim pastor deliberately made sure to finish the service 10 minutes before the other Southern Baptist church that he used to be at.

I once had to serve members of the southern baptist convention at a restaurant I worked at : (
Never would go to one of their churches..

Benevolent Misanthrope: LesserEvil: Just curious, those Farkers here who believe this guy is worse than Osama Bin-Laden: Do you think his audience are sheep, and believe everything he says? Does this preacher have the power to sway his "mob" to think the same way he does, to hate gays enough to pen them up? To blame them for whatever of the country's ills, this idiot preacher claims?

Does this guy have that much influence on his followers? Are the sort of "Christians" who attend his sermons all like that, because, after all, they go to his services and donate money to his church?

Honest question.

Having grown up in a similar church, I'll take a stab at this one:

I think it's more a case of him preaching what he knows will put money in the plate. He may have convinced himself that he's preaching the word of his god, but he also knows what his audience wants and what they expect from him. The congregants, in turn, believe him, because he's saying what they already "know" and "speaking truth". There is also the sense of being a persecuted minority, and the subsequent radicalization of thought that often happens when a group feels they must band together for security and survival - in this case, survival of their belief system in the face of a world and a Christianity that is rapidly changing. It's a vicious cycle.

If you've never seen the film "Marjoe", you should. And not just the parts about him - look at the other preachers and how they operate.

Fair answer, the preacher knows his audience and speaks to them in a like-minded fashion. A religious pundit (who may or may not even believe the crap they spew, but you have to make bank, right?)

Again it comes back to the idea that we shouldn't care what this idiot says. It doesn't change anything as long as it is contained in his church. If he's shouting this in public, on the other hand, feel free to roast him - but otherwise, this just gives him additional publicity he otherwise wouldn't have.

Punditry is a scam. Limbaugh, Beck, Olbermann, Matthews... they get ratings, almost as much from their haters as their fans, and they all could really care less about what happens in politics, as long as it provides fuel for their shows. This preacher is no different. Publicity actually HELPS business, whether it's negative or positive.

MisterLoki: You guys are the real bigots for being intolerant of his intolerance.

You bet. I'm proudly intolerant of stupidity, bigotry and general assholery.

Because f*ck them, that's why.

againit? WTF does againit mean?

Can we throw the French in there too? Every one of those prissy bastards deserve a kick in the pants.

"You did what in my name?" -- Jesus

Gwendolyn: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Gay /=sterile, numbnuts.

He put the lesbians in one pen and male "queers and homosexuals" in another.

But do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?

/Des Moines Iowa, perfect example
//I like you, Stewart

astro716: But do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?

growing flowers? resdesigning the garden?

seriously. I know a lesbian couple in my town that have a fantastic garden. taken them years of trial and error but I think this year they finally got it right.

KidneyStone: Who takes a half-wit nut like this seriously?

Oh, yeah, we need to be outraged.

where was this asshole during the Bush presidency? We get it, the President is a blah.

Jonnadiah: LesserEvil:

Christianity is pretty much powerless to do anything like this idiot preacher's vision, and it's doubtful anybody would ever let someone like him get that power in this country... in other words, his brand of extremism is powerless, impotent in today's world. Giving them a voice outside of their narrow minded (and in most cases, unable to change) cult members is dumb and only serves to give them a greater audience - even legitimizing their opinions to those that might otherwise remain on the fence.

1. We live in a country where a very large portion of the populace believe communism and Nazism are the same thing, where a sizable minority thinks the president was born in Kenya and where roughly half believe the world was created 6000 years ago? I personally do not have enough faith in the American population to recognize that it's bad to put an extremist who says crazy things into office (see: Rick Santorum got a lot of votes, and he wouldn't let his daughter abort her rape baby)


You honestly believe "large portion" is anything remotely like a majority? Why do we need a distinction between the two for the most part, anyway? Nazism was a response to the growing threat of communism in Europe. One extreme against another, born out of a time of economic crisis. Those conditions do not exist today... I'll expand in the second part on that.

As for Santorum, he was an idiot. The sad fact of the matter is that centrist candidates simply don't get the vote for primaries (in either party) like the extremists. AS for him getting into power, we do have a government of checks and balances. Lots of idiots become Presidents, Congressmen, Governors... but there is usually enough opposition to keep the whole thing from pitching into crazy-town.



2. The NSDAP started with only 50 members in 1923. They fed off the fears of the masses (and abused crummy constitutional rules like emergency powers) and managed to get themselves in power to enact their heinous agenda in a little over a decade. Do you really think it's impossible for the combination of the Filibuster and Citizens United to instate some crazy nonsense like this in the US? In the country that had legal subjugation of minority races until the 1960s?

We have social momentum and historical precedence (albeit, too many people are lacking the proper education, between a simple lack of knowledge and those who get a far-right or far-left "interpretation" of those events) to create some form of stability in our government. Some of the worst things our country did will never happen again; reverse civil rights? How would that EVER happen? Every generation grows more centrist, and that is why so many citizens are up in arms over the crap going on; most of us are looking around and seeing extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, frustrated that we have no voice (both parties always refer to the extreme wing of their parties as the "base" they need to appeal to - even though it's the vast majority in the middle of the road who waver between affiliations and sway elections).

Germany was ripe for National Socialism. Defeated by their ancient enemies (with centuries of wars behind them), drowning in hyper-inflated marks, backed into a corner by powers that were just revealing themselves as ultimately toothless, it was ripe for that sort of transformation. Education was limited to the practical. Social equality simply didn't exist then.

America would fall into anarchy before tyrannical rule could hold power here. Even that would take decades of punishment by idiotic policies, economic failure and more impossibly, a total collapse of the US Dollar (considering there is probably more cash held around the world, and it is still universally used in markets ranging from black to legit, I doubt that could ever happen.)

On that note, I'm signing off of this argument. Have a good night.

LesserEvil: Fair answer, the preacher knows his audience and speaks to them in a like-minded fashion. A religious pundit (who may or may not even believe the crap they spew, but you have to make bank, right?)

Again it comes back to the idea that we shouldn't care what this idiot says. It doesn't change anything as long as it is contained in his church. If he's shouting this in public, on the other hand, feel free to roast him - but otherwise, this just gives him additional publicity he otherwise wouldn't have.

Punditry is a scam. Limbaugh, Beck, Olbermann, Matthews... they get ratings, almost as much from their haters as their fans, and they all could really care less about what happens in politics, as long as it provides fuel for their shows. This preacher is no different. Publicity actually HELPS business, whether it's negative or positive.

That sounds nice, but I don't completely buy it. Do you think that the reason for regional trends in beliefs is just by chance or breeding? No, there actually is some social transmission of ideas from generation to generation. Seeing a certain set of beliefs reinforced continually without anyone saying "you know, maybe the gays aren't really evil and destroying our country" is probably going to end up believing the same thing. Of course I don't advocate censoring or imprisoning this guy, so don't take it to extremes, but that doesn't mean that reasonable people shouldn't stand up to hateful talk when they see it.

BarkingUnicorn: Gwendolyn: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Gay /=sterile, numbnuts.

He put the lesbians in one pen and male "queers and homosexuals" in another.

But is it a chain link fence? That would present options.

However, with it being electrified, it would be like a high-stakes game of 'Operation'

Duke_leto_Atredes: [www.alteredearth.com image 406x604]
Here we go

It IS 2012 after all...

PonceAlyosha: Actually, you're out of the mainstream because you're a decent person who doesn't use your religion as a tool for political power.

Actually, I would argue that he is in the mainstream. You just never hear about folks like him. You do hear about these bigots, however. Sadly, it is just about every day.

foxyshadis: SilentStrider: [pics.livejournal.com image 640x610]

This seems appropriate.

In reality, "Traditional" is code for "whatever things I believed about the world growing up," and now that whole generations have been told repeatedly that the nuclear Cleaver family was the perfect lifestyle aspiration free of any sin or corruption, of course it's impossible to get anyone who didn't live then to realize that it's just a TV fantasy, no more reflective of most peoples' lives than I Dream of Genie.

If I had to pick a fantasy life, I'd choose I Dream of Jeannie over Leave It To Beaver any day of the week.

For a short time (about a month) several years ago my life was like Three's Company. That was a good month.

However, my childhood was more like All In The Family mixed with That 70s Show until I got married, at which point it became closer to Married With Children minus the children, but with a dash of Hoarders.

Then it became Divorce Court.

Now, however, it's a bit more like Bewitched, minus the teleportation, people being turned into animals, and Uncle Arthur.

/Happily, it has never been like Reno 911.
//Even more happily, it has never been like Oz.

Duke_leto_Atredes: [www.alteredearth.com image 406x604]
Here we go

thanks for the pic !

Weaver95: astro716: But do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?

growing flowers? resdesigning the garden?

seriously. I know a lesbian couple in my town that have a fantastic garden. taken them years of trial and error but I think this year they finally got it right.

that's probably because up until a few years ago you'd have your dog over there tearing it up ;)

Gyrfalcon: MisterLoki: You guys are the real bigots for being intolerant of his intolerance.

You bet. I'm proudly intolerant of stupidity, bigotry and general assholery.

Because f*ck them, that's why.

Amen, sister ; )

Vodka Zombie: Just because you may not like what he has to say, he follows the same book and worships the same god as all other Christians.

I think that you could make a pretty strong case that this guy really does not follow the same book that posits the positive connotation of the Golden Rule as one of its basic tenants.

StoneColdAtheist: North_Central_Positronics: Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on firewonder how deep in the closet he is?

FTFY

Honey he's so far in the closet he has become a hand basket.
/Apologies to the original
//Shouldn't be obscure.

Weaver95: gilgigamesh: Weaver95: WorldCitizen: If there is a God who agrees with this man, all hope is lost.

oh there's a couple of gods out there that would agree with this ranting...they're just not christian ones.

couple/few of the old gods would be just fine with blood sacrifices. Moloch, Ba'al, some of the babylonian gods.

...Yahweh....

*cough*

Yahweh wimped out at the last minute though. I think he was more into dicking with your mind then actually being 'evil'. sort of like having a big brother who really does try to do the right thing, but goes about it all wrong.

Then there's Christ, who's actually a pretty decent god. his followers though...yeesh. some of those guys either didn't get the message or they're just working for some of the old gods and/or demons and using Christ as camoflage. Or maybe the old ones ganged up on Jesus and murdered him and keep his skinned corpse around as a shared disguse. At any rate, a lot of people pretend to follow the Christian god but don't actually do anything he said that his followers should be doing.

And last - but not least - there's the Holy Spirit. Who gets something of a bad rap. sort of like the silent, creepy younger brother. he hangs around and inspires people. sort of like a muse...he fires you up and then lets you loose to do your stuff. In theory, Christ is supposed to direct that passion to do good things...but given how many people aren't actually doing Christ's work, mostly that passion gets misdirected. so these days, the Spirit sort of gave up and works at skate parks in southern california.

Welcome to my favorite list you cunning linguist you. The default color is green but if you have a preference you would prefer associated with you just let me know.

LesserEvil: Germany was ripe for National Socialism. Defeated by their ancient enemies (with centuries of wars behind them), drowning in hyper-inflated marks, backed into a corner by powers that were just revealing themselves as ultimately toothless, it was ripe for that sort of transformation. Education was limited to the practical. Social equality simply didn't exist then.

America would fall into anarchy before tyrannical rule could hold power here. Even that would take decades of punishment by idiotic policies, economic failure and more impossibly, a total collapse of the US Dollar (considering there is probably more cash held around the world, and it is still universally used in markets ranging from black to legit, I doubt that could ever happen.)

On that note, I'm signing off of this argument. Have a good night.


Too bad, because fascism isn't a style of government. Nazism was only a totalitarian government, a dictatorship of no particular distinction, after all. Fascism is first and foremost a popular movement. All fascism is, is ultranationalism. The mistake people have made for the last 70 years is to try to equate Nazis with fascism and assure themselves that no Nazi government could ever arise again. That's true; but only because it would never need to. Fascism can arise under ANY form of government; and right now, America is more fascist than it has been than at any time in our history. A democracy is probably MORE prone to fascism because the only thing that keeps a democracy together is a sense of nationalism. We have no monarch to hold us together in a crisis, we have no shared religion. What we have is a sense of exceptionalism, of our nation as special and unique, which is what Paxton called "stage one fascism."

The basic elements of fascism are:
* A cult of tradition or an overwhelming nostalgia for an idealized past, combined with a rejection of modernity, EXCEPT for a fascination for high-tech military equipment.

* A belief in a nebulous yet all-powerful enemy. A simultaneous belief in the might and superiority of the enemy, yet a supreme confidence that that enemy can and will be defeated by OUR purity and power.

* A fear of compromise, which is seen as weakness; and a dislike of diversity in any form (culture, religion, language, education). This is combined with an overall fear of peace, unless it is OUR peace, dictated by OUR terms.

* The "right of the people" is paramount, and the "rights of the individual" must be subverted to the rights of the state; and especially where the rights of the "people" are seen as being threatened by any of the above enemies, diversities, weaknesses or traditions.

I mean, does this sound like a country you might be living in today? A country obsessed with fears of an overwhelming "Islamofascism" that manages to be strong yet weak; a country run by people who never want to compromise and hate anyone who isn't like them? And who long for a perfect past when nothing was wrong? We don't need to have Nazis in full regalia to have fascism. We've got it already, right now.

G-Rot: He's just preachin' to the choir-

wait, what happened to the choir?

hehe

LittleSmitty: Jeez, things like this are why I'm Atheist

/former Baptist

Same here!

Brytanica1: astro716: But do you know what the queers are doing to the soil?

/Des Moines Iowa, perfect example
//I like you, Stewart

*gives astro716 a burrow owl, because he's not like the other people here, in the trailer park*

Jeez, thank you. I was worried that reference wouldn't get caught and I would sound like a bigot.

The Why Not Guy: Start voting for people who don't hate homosexuals. Start telling candidates that their anti-gay stance is unacceptable. That's the only way true change will come about.

well the old people are dying and the young people are pretty much done with this bullshiat. pretty much.

Lord Jubjub: Whitewashed sepulchers.

Allow me to repeat myself.