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2012-05-22 01:58:32 AM

Dr._Love: Am I the only one who sees this as a victory for the green movement? Now we've got the conservatives using electrified fence on two problems - immigration and teh ghey. We just build two fences in parallel between Mexico and the US, and then put the gays in between them, blammo, both problems solved with the same project!


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2012-05-22 01:59:21 AM

Mock26: Oh yeah, where did the first grandchild come from? If everything started with only Adam and Eve then who schlepped who to make the first grandchild?


I believe you mean "schtupped," sir. "Schlep" means to drag or haul. Yiddish can be tricky. If you're not careful with it, you'll come off as a schmoe.
 
2012-05-22 02:00:45 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: rynthetyn: I was once at a Southern Baptist church where the interim pastor deliberately made sure to finish the service 10 minutes before the other Southern Baptist church that he used to be at.

What is the point of that? If he was "hardcore", shouldn't he making his sermons 10 minutes longer?

(BTW - Did you get the Criterion Collection set of Rashomon I ordered off your Amazon wishlist? Have you watched it yet?)


I don't know why he ended the service earlier, that kind of petty rivalry thing never makes sense.

Yep, I did get the DVD a few days ago, thanks again! I haven't had the chance to watch it because I've been busy getting crap together because I'm skipping the country for study abroad this week--I think it's the perfect thing to keep me entertained while I'm stuck on planes for nearly 20 hours.
 
2012-05-22 02:00:53 AM
For cunningly of old
was the celebrated saying revealed:
evil sometimes seems good
to a man whose mind
a god leads to destruction.


-- attributed to Sophocles, Antigone 620-3, a play pre-dating any of Euripides' surviving plays.
 
2012-05-22 02:02:28 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Mock26: Dear Pastor Prick,

Guess what? If people stop conditioning children to believe in god and jesus and all that crap do you know what will happen? christianity will die out! And do you know why? Because religion is a learned behavior! Everyone on the planet is born an atheist!

I wish that were true, and I used to believe it myself. I used to believe that religion was memetic, a social equivalent of cumulative personality. (The latter is why long-term coma patients are 'different people' when they come out of it: Your personality is a cumulative effect of recent social memory, and if you go long enough without that you sort of lose it and start over again. I used to believe that religion is like that. And it kind of is, but there's more to it.) I used to believe that if you could just identify and server the transmission vectors, or sufficiently disrupt them, you could in effect kill off religion within a few generations, or at least manage to changer it into something a little less nutty and damaging. Alas, I no longer believe this.

It turns out, based on some fairly recent science of the last decade or so, that religion is apparently more or less inborn in most people, and very common, nearly ubiquitous. There's a part of the brain that has been identified with the profound experience of the divine: it does pretty much the same thing, no matter what one's faith or spiritual background. Why this is, no one really knows. Some philosophers, such as Daniel C. Dennett (see 'Breaking the Spell') speculate that it's the human equivalent of the 'intentional agent' reaction that many 'thinking animals' such as dogs have. (If your dog barks at a stick hitting the gutter -- an example from his book -- that's arguably similar to primitive humans assuming that thunder was some god expressing anger.) Dennett also points to how extremely self-deluding humans can be, using as example the rather unsettling case of cargo cults. The fact that otherwise perfectly sensible ...


Yea we all want to believe that something greater than ourselves is controlling things, but after awhile you realize a coin toss is just as helpful as prayer. Although your right if all religions disappeared tonight humans would have a new one by the weekend.
 
2012-05-22 02:06:12 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Mock26: Dear Pastor Prick,

Guess what? If people stop conditioning children to believe in god and jesus and all that crap do you know what will happen? christianity will die out! And do you know why? Because religion is a learned behavior! Everyone on the planet is born an atheist!

I wish that were true, and I used to believe it myself. I used to believe that religion was memetic, a social equivalent of cumulative personality. (The latter is why long-term coma patients are 'different people' when they come out of it: Your personality is a cumulative effect of recent social memory, and if you go long enough without that you sort of lose it and start over again. I used to believe that religion is like that. And it kind of is, but there's more to it.) I used to believe that if you could just identify and server the transmission vectors, or sufficiently disrupt them, you could in effect kill off religion within a few generations, or at least manage to changer it into something a little less nutty and damaging. Alas, I no longer believe this.

It turns out, based on some fairly recent science of the last decade or so, that religion is apparently more or less inborn in most people, and very common, nearly ubiquitous. There's a part of the brain that has been identified with the profound experience of the divine: it does pretty much the same thing, no matter what one's faith or spiritual background. Why this is, no one really knows. Some philosophers, such as Daniel C. Dennett (see 'Breaking the Spell') speculate that it's the human equivalent of the 'intentional agent' reaction that many 'thinking animals' such as dogs have. (If your dog barks at a stick hitting the gutter -- an example from his book -- that's arguably similar to primitive humans assuming that thunder was some god expressing anger.) Dennett also points to how extremely self-deluding humans can be, using as example the rather unsettling case of cargo cults. The fact that otherwise perfectly sensible humans can come up with something like that may go a long way to explain how religion works both individually and socially, and why it's so pervasive and durable.

On the whole, religion just seems like a powerful human imperative, like hunger or the sex drive, and no matter what anyone might do we're probably stuck with it as long as there are humans around.

I guess my point is that yes, humans are "born atheist," to the extent that a baby does not have any sophisticated sense of divinity, either real or imaginary, and certainly does not possess what we would call 'religion' in the sense of humans who can wipe themselves and tie their shoes. But it's not like if you put a baby on an island they wouldn't get religion. Modern science suggests that they more likely would than not, even if they have to invent it themselves. I wish it wasn't so, but that seems to be the reality.


Bullshiat.
 
2012-05-22 02:07:46 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Mock26: Dear Pastor Prick,

Guess what? If people stop conditioning children to believe in god and jesus and all that crap do you know what will happen? christianity will die out! And do you know why? Because religion is a learned behavior! Everyone on the planet is born an atheist!

I wish that were true, and I used to believe it myself. I used to believe that religion was memetic, a social equivalent of cumulative personality. (The latter is why long-term coma patients are 'different people' when they come out of it: Your personality is a cumulative effect of recent social memory, and if you go long enough without that you sort of lose it and start over again. I used to believe that religion is like that. And it kind of is, but there's more to it.) I used to believe that if you could just identify and server the transmission vectors, or sufficiently disrupt them, you could in effect kill off religion within a few generations, or at least manage to changer it into something a little less nutty and damaging. Alas, I no longer believe this.

It turns out, based on some fairly recent science of the last decade or so, that religion is apparently more or less inborn in most people, and very common, nearly ubiquitous. There's a part of the brain that has been identified with the profound experience of the divine: it does pretty much the same thing, no matter what one's faith or spiritual background. Why this is, no one really knows. Some philosophers, such as Daniel C. Dennett (see 'Breaking the Spell') speculate that it's the human equivalent of the 'intentional agent' reaction that many 'thinking animals' such as dogs have. (If your dog barks at a stick hitting the gutter -- an example from his book -- that's arguably similar to primitive humans assuming that thunder was some god expressing anger.) Dennett also points to how extremely self-deluding humans can be, using as example the rather unsettling case of cargo cults. The fact that otherwi ...


"Nature herself has imprinted in all minds the idea of God." -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I.E. now that we're past figuring out we can shape metal and blow shiat up, we're all driven to find out why.
 
2012-05-22 02:13:46 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Leviticus 19:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.


Nice old testament smack down.
/let's repeat it
 
2012-05-22 02:20:21 AM

Kittypie070: For cunningly of old
was the celebrated saying revealed:
evil sometimes seems good
to a man whose mind
a god leads to destruction.

-- attributed to Sophocles, Antigone 620-3, a play pre-dating any of Euripides' surviving plays.



executedtoday.com
Some old Christian guy.
 
2012-05-22 02:21:14 AM

zarberg: "Nature herself has imprinted in all minds the idea of God." -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I.E. now that we're past figuring out we can shape metal and blow shiat up, we're all driven to find out why.


True it's why I can only call myself agnostic yet still am fascinated by pagan pantheons.
What, I love the outdoors and nature so....
/Although blowing stuff up is fun so let's do more of that than figuring things out cause that's hard : )
 
2012-05-22 02:30:22 AM
"Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.
 
2012-05-22 02:32:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: zarberg: "Nature herself has imprinted in all minds the idea of God." -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I.E. now that we're past figuring out we can shape metal and blow shiat up, we're all driven to find out why.


True it's why I can only call myself agnostic yet still am fascinated by pagan pantheons.
What, I love the outdoors and nature so....
/Although blowing stuff up is fun so let's do more of that than figuring things out cause that's hard : )


Papal Legate in his report to the Pope :
Our men
spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or
age, and put to the sword almost 20,000
people. After this great slaughter the whole
city was despoiled and burnt...[7]
The invaders burned the cathedral of Saint
Nazaire, which collapsed on those who had
taken refuge inside. The town was pillaged and
burnt. None were left alive. `
Christians, gotta lov'em
(Or they'll kill you too!)
 
2012-05-22 02:33:03 AM

cmb53208: I really do think that some of these nutball Baptist and Pentecostal preachers do pose a threat. Could their follwers carry out a terrorist attack? Of course they could, people that blinded by hatred and ignorance are capable of anything.

Southern cities I think are the ones most in danger from these assholes: do you think they like the fact that Atlanta and New Orleans have large gay communities? Or that there's a bunch of pointy headed smarty pants people in Nashville and Chapel Hill?


The Southern Baptists aren't worth worrying about. They've been preaching fire and brimstone over one thing or another for time immemorial (when I was a kid in Southern Baptist churches, their pet issues were rock music and alcohol), but they'd never take up terrorism because what would the neighbors think?

Pentecostals, on the other hand, are big about getting individual "Word's from the Lord" and are big on doing things based on emotion and nebulous feelings. They're worth worrying about because of that because if they get a "word" that can trump everything else. Actually though, the ones to worry about are the pentecostal-influenced conservative Presbyterians. Paul Hill was a PCA pastor who got excommunicated by the denomination because of his advocacy of violence. Troy Newman in Wichita, who has ties to Scott Roeder used to be a PCA elder. As someone who is a PCA elder's kid and went to the PCA-affiliated college, I hate to say it because that kind of use of vigilante force is totally against a traditional Presbyterian view of the role of government (and even against a proper understanding of theonomy, even as batshiat as theonomists are, they don't believe in vigilantism), but there's something about a mixing of Presbyterian and pentecostalism that has produced violence in the past and I wouldn't put past producing violence in the future.
 
2012-05-22 02:33:16 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.


I'm wondering what denomination you were raised? Granted there all pretty silly although some are way to deadly serious.
 
2012-05-22 02:33:50 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: So if man legalized same sex marriage, god wouldn't send gay people to hell? Sorry I'm going to fight on Odin's side during Ramnorock and win my place in Valhalla.


Huh? No, there's no provision in the bible for "man" making laws - only god can do that, apparently. Again, though, don't blame me. I didn't write the bible, nor am I telling anyone they need to do what it says. I'm just responding to requests for information.
 
2012-05-22 02:38:56 AM

zarberg: My far-too-many years of Catholic school are 20 years ago, but I don't remember the Bible specifically saying anything outside marriage is adultery. I know English common law used to state that in the strictest definition. In Hebrew sources, specifically Exodus and Leviticus, adultery applied only to the woman.

The Mormons specifically extend (I.E. add their own swing) on that commandment to say it includes a lot of stuff, but they sure don't speak for every Christian denomination.

My humble apologies, not trying to be an argumentative or contrary a-hole, just curious where you got your information.



No worries, I'm not religious, so I don't take any religious arguments personally. Technically, there are two English words we translate immoral sexual conduct into - fornication, and adultery. However, I'm not entirely sure that those differences existed in the original. The original word, porneia, has been translated as both "adultery" and "fornication". That's where I get my idea that it was only one concept - it was only one word. I'm not claiming to be the absolute authority, either. :)
 
2012-05-22 02:45:07 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Keizer_Ghidorah: "Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.

I'm wondering what denomination you were raised? Granted there all pretty silly although some are way to deadly serious.


Episcopalian, then Lutheran, then Orthodox. Had no choice in the matter, didn't like any of it. From a young age I could see the contradictions and silliness of the Bible, and I wanted no part of it. Every day I see more and more of shiat like this, supposedly "Christian" people who preach hate and filth while other Christians do nothing to stop them. If they don't want to be lumped in with the supposed fringe lunatics, then maybe they should start being more active in shutting them up.

Evil wins when good men do nothing.
 
2012-05-22 02:45:53 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.


'God' is capitalized.
 
2012-05-22 02:47:31 AM

Rapmaster2000: So I suppose that once the gays are gone there will be no more gays because everyone knows that straight people only make straight children.


He seems to be speaking from a somewhat worn but once popular trope that teh ghey is memetic, that you 'catch it' from gay people, that queers spread it by.. I guess by being gay around other people, I dunno. So, if you just get all the gays away from everyone else long enough, the meme of gayness dies off. Or something. It's actually not that asinine an idea -- or wouldn't be, if it had any basis in reality.

And yet..

I can kind of understand where that thinking comes from actually. Which is to say, to perfectly stupid people it probably does look like that, and a lot of people are stupid. Gays do sort of spread gay, in a number of ways. I mean, I was credited with 'turning' a couple of supposedly straight girls. (I was even given a toaster oven. Really.) Of course, those girls weren't really straight, though I don't think they were really gay, either.

That perspective surely confuses and even annoys some people. (And I've gotten in my fair share of dustups over it already, especially here, so don't bother, unless you're really looking for a conversation and not an argument.) But I maintain that human attraction is far more complex and nuanced than popular tropes suggest. People get curious. Or don't have that much vested, and aren't concerned. Or are just bored. Or maybe they like that one person a lot. I personally don't feel it matters very much. But the point is that someone like that who's isolated and sheltered is more likely to maintain a default straight lifestyle; wherever you introduce queers, some people are bound to come out, or at least think about it more. That's where the 'turning' trope comes from, as well as the more sinister 'conversion' trope: You can actually prove that gays 'make' more gays, at least through a preponderance of anecdotal evidence. (And before dismissing that out of hand, consider that anecdotal evidence is the sum total of all evidence proving that we're "born that way".)

Or consider the study or two of children of gay parents, that found that while statistically such children were not more likely to be gay, they were more likely to at least consider the possibility, and experiment.

And that's where the thinking comes from that we spread it like a disease: in a sense, we do. It's worth acknowledging that for the truth it is, instead of pretending it's not.

Anyway, that's what leads to the notion that if you could just get rid of gays, there'd be no more of us. And yeah, some people have some sick ideas of how to maybe accomplish that.
 
2012-05-22 02:47:53 AM

Boatmech: tinfoil-hat maggie: zarberg: "Nature herself has imprinted in all minds the idea of God." -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I.E. now that we're past figuring out we can shape metal and blow shiat up, we're all driven to find out why.


True it's why I can only call myself agnostic yet still am fascinated by pagan pantheons.
What, I love the outdoors and nature so....
/Although blowing stuff up is fun so let's do more of that than figuring things out cause that's hard : )

Papal Legate in his report to the Pope :
Our men
spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or
age, and put to the sword almost 20,000
people. After this great slaughter the whole
city was despoiled and burnt...[7]
The invaders burned the cathedral of Saint
Nazaire, which collapsed on those who had
taken refuge inside. The town was pillaged and
burnt. None were left alive. `
Christians, gotta lov'em
(Or they'll kill you too!)


Was he the one that said"let god sort them out" when told there were christians in the town or was that another fun guy?
/too late not going to google
//I've killed more than that in a city while playing total war Rome : )
 
2012-05-22 02:48:25 AM

PonceAlyosha: untaken_name: Really? That is interesting. I've not been exposed to that before - would you mind linking one or two? It would make fascinating reading. I'm certainly no expert, although I do find the Hebrew tradition oddly intriguing.

Lamentations 5:11

Numbers 31:1-18

Deuteronomy 21:11-14


Lamentations 5:11 "Our enemies rape the women in Jerusalem and the young girls in all the towns of Judah."

I don't understand how this is a biblical command to rape anyone.

Numbers 31:1-18 - They killed the men and took the women as wives - while we may define unwilling matrimony as rape (and we would be correct to do so), that doesn't meet the biblical definition, as women often had no say in the marriage process under normal circumstances, much less in war. Again, there's no specific command to rape in this passage, although we could certainly get into a semantic war on this one.

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 - same semantic issue as above. No command to rape, per se, just to arrange marriage without the consent of the female. By modern standards it's rape, but it makes no more sense to impose modern mores on ancient people than it does to impose ancient mores on modern people.
 
2012-05-22 02:50:26 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Mock26: Oh yeah, where did the first grandchild come from? If everything started with only Adam and Eve then who schlepped who to make the first grandchild?

I believe you mean "schtupped," sir. "Schlep" means to drag or haul. Yiddish can be tricky. If you're not careful with it, you'll come off as a schmoe.


Maybe even a schlemiel.

/schlemazel
/hasenpfeffer, incorporated
 
2012-05-22 02:50:30 AM

untaken_name: tinfoil-hat maggie: So if man legalized same sex marriage, god wouldn't send gay people to hell? Sorry I'm going to fight on Odin's side during Ramnorock and win my place in Valhalla.

Huh? No, there's no provision in the bible for "man" making laws - only god can do that, apparently. Again, though, don't blame me. I didn't write the bible, nor am I telling anyone they need to do what it says. I'm just responding to requests for information.


Don't worry I don't buy into that trip, besides there are much more fun books to base a society of of : )
 
2012-05-22 02:53:38 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: tinfoil-hat maggie: Keizer_Ghidorah: "Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.

I'm wondering what denomination you were raised? Granted there all pretty silly although some are way to deadly serious.

Episcopalian, then Lutheran, then Orthodox. Had no choice in the matter, didn't like any of it. From a young age I could see the contradictions and silliness of the Bible, and I wanted no part of it. Every day I see more and more of shiat like this, supposedly "Christian" people who preach hate and filth while other Christians do nothing to stop them. If they don't want to be lumped in with the supposed fringe lunatics, then maybe they should start being more active in shutting them up.

Evil wins when good men do nothing.


Very true.
/Oh and sorry about the crazies in your upbringing.
 
2012-05-22 02:54:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Keizer_Ghidorah: "Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.

'God' is capitalized.


not when you don't believe in it/"him" it's not.

pointless trifling deflection duly noted, however
 
2012-05-22 02:54:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Keizer_Ghidorah: "Christian" is right. Vile, filthy, evil little worm. Him and everyone like him.

Your god tells you to love and tolerate and care for others, and you vermin twist it into a battle cry of hatred, fear, bigotry, and death. You snip out what you want to follow from his supposed book that tells you in no uncertain terms to love your neighbor as yourself and to judge not lest you be judged, and ignore everything that doesn't fit your little filth fantasy. You obsess with the idea of buttsex far more than even the most nympho bottom twink could ever do, and why? Because the idea of two people who love each other and happen to have the same gonads just drives you absolutely farking insane.

You're backwards savages, desperately clinging to fading customs and irrelevant traditions. You know your time is near, and you're going to cause as much damage as possible before you're gone. The world will be much better off with your kind gone. Maybe we'll finally be able to achieve what the Constitution of this country has told us for more than two centuries, that all are created equal.

Begone, demons masquerading as men.

'God' is capitalized.


Not in the post you quoted, it isn't.

It's just an old word for "deity", which shouldn't be capitalized. People just tend to use it as a proper noun when it actually is not.
 
2012-05-22 03:04:26 AM

PonceAlyosha: untaken_name: Really? That is interesting. I've not been exposed to that before - would you mind linking one or two? It would make fascinating reading. I'm certainly no expert, although I do find the Hebrew tradition oddly intriguing.

Lamentations 5:11

Numbers 31:1-18

Deuteronomy 21:11-14


Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, explains traditional bible-based marriage to everyone else.
 
2012-05-22 03:05:19 AM

KrispyKritter: fanatacism or extremism in ANY venue is unacceptable. religion, career, sports, sexuality, you name it.


Speak for yourself. I'll continue with my extreme fanatic sex, thanks.
 
2012-05-22 03:05:55 AM
Ballpoint or fountain?
 
2012-05-22 03:15:59 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Weaver95: couple/few of the old gods would be just fine with blood sacrifices. Moloch, Ba'al, some of the babylonian gods.

I read that as "Molag Bal" and it still made perfect sense.

Hey, fundies? That's not a good sign.


They're worshipping Molag Bal? Fark it, I'm building a shrine to Talos in my apartment just to be safe. Can never be too safe, you know. If Molag Bal invades, I want to be on good terms with Talos and Akatosh.
 
2012-05-22 03:16:15 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Shiat just got real, yo.


are you not entertained?!? is this not why you are here?
 
2012-05-22 03:19:03 AM

Electrify: Do any states have any restrictions on the First Amendment, like they do on the Second Amendment? I'm all for free speech, but many countries, including here in Canada, do draw a line at speech designed to incite violence. Preaching to a crowd of followers for the mass murder of people who have done nothing to harm you, and having your congregation cheer you on does cross that line imo.

I'm guessing the answer is no, and even if there was some law stopping people from using speech to incite violence, considering the relatively rural nature of the community (about 35 miles to Charlotte's inner suburbs) the sheriff wouldn't press charges against him. I just hope that none of his followers take his words to heart and choose to break The Golden Rule...


I've spoken about this before. The freedom of speech enshrined in the First Amendment of our Constitution has no direct analogue in Canada: Canadian citizens are not guaranteed the same liberty, and are therefore subject to restrictions of free expression that would not merely be intolerable in the U.S., but in fact constitutionally illegal. So-called 'hate speech' is not actionable here, in any state, and cannot be, under the First Amendment. At least, not in any manner to similar to how it is across Canada.

Americans may not be actioned even for every offensive speech, even for patently hateful speech, so long as it does not expressly advocate the deprivation of other citizens' civil liberties, or in itself create undo hardship or hazard, or immediate threat thereof. (The old yelling "Fire! in a crowded theatre thing.) Nor, of course, advocate the violent overthrow of the U.S. government. (It's perfectly legal, however, to advocate for its *peaceful* overthrow.) This means -- to take an extreme example -- that we must endure the WBC while you do not. (WBC is, I believe, now pretty much banned from Canada.) While that's swell in itself for Canada, and maybe sucky for us, it troubles me personally.

As others have pointed out in this thread already, hate doesn't go away merely for being silenced: it lurks and festers, simmers and smoulders. Our broad freedom of speech does allow us to much more easily monitor our dangerous bigots and nutters, affording us much greater leeway in defending ourselves against them. But bigotry knows no borders, and there's plenty of bigotry in Canada. I've seen it myself, in some of the less travelled places I've been through there, where rednecks run as thick as they do here. And I've seen some of the same cultural tropes we identify with uptight communities looking for people to oppress. (It took me all day to find butter for sale in New Brunswick -- because it was Sunday. I'd never seen so many tiny Pentacostal churches, and the day before, four teenagers in St. Stephen chased me, mocking my gay bumpersticker. So much for polite, eh?) Most of the Canadians I've met are wonderful, but not all of them. Some of them have basically good manners, but they're not really 'nice' in the sense of showing any real respect. Most of my fellow Americans are more transparent about how they really feel, and I find that a little less stressful: we don't bottle it up, but let it off slowly. Our manners are enforced by social trends, not laws. Which is why some Americans of rather poor upbringing will say that our president is a near Nazi, instead of an attractive and successful Nubian. It's just poor form to say such things in America nowadays, at least in public. But very importantly, it is not and never has been illegal.

It's a tradeoff, like any other, but I happen to think our way is a bit better, or at least a bit more honest. We at least know who our bigots are, because they proudly proclaim themselves in public. I've found yours a bit harder to mark. And I don't confuse polity with good breeding.
 
2012-05-22 03:22:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Boatmech: tinfoil-hat maggie: zarberg: "Nature herself has imprinted in all minds the idea of God." -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I.E. now that we're past figuring out we can shape metal and blow shiat up, we're all driven to find out why.


True it's why I can only call myself agnostic yet still am fascinated by pagan pantheons.
What, I love the outdoors and nature so....
/Although blowing stuff up is fun so let's do more of that than figuring things out cause that's hard : )

Papal Legate in his report to the Pope :
Our men
spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or
age, and put to the sword almost 20,000
people. After this great slaughter the whole
city was despoiled and burnt...[7]
The invaders burned the cathedral of Saint
Nazaire, which collapsed on those who had
taken refuge inside. The town was pillaged and
burnt. None were left alive. `
Christians, gotta lov'em
(Or they'll kill you too!)

Was he the one that said"let god sort them out" when told there were christians in the town or was that another fun guy?
/too late not going to google
//I've killed more than that in a city while playing total war Rome : )


Same guy -
`
the abbot supposedly replied,
"Kill them all, God will know His own" - "Neca
eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet".
`
Got promoted to Archbishop for his good work.
 
2012-05-22 03:24:27 AM

zepher: I just love people's selective outrage.
Substitute gay/lesbian/homosexual in his rant with whitey, blue eyed devil, cracker, and you have an average sermon in every Black Liberation Theology church in America.

No one seems to care about what is said in those churches and if they do mention it they're met with 'That's racist!!'


selective outrage? where are the videos of black liberation preachers calling for the internment camps of whiteys, blue eyed devils, and crackers?

somehow i suspect you'll have trouble finding the kinds of false equivalent examples you're deflecting with
 
2012-05-22 03:39:44 AM
I'll bet he's gay.
 
2012-05-22 03:40:19 AM

Boatmech: tinfoil-hat maggie: Boatmech: tinfoil-hat maggie: zarberg: "Nature herself has imprinted in all minds the idea of God." -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I.E. now that we're past figuring out we can shape metal and blow shiat up, we're all driven to find out why.


True it's why I can only call myself agnostic yet still am fascinated by pagan pantheons.
What, I love the outdoors and nature so....
/Although blowing stuff up is fun so let's do more of that than figuring things out cause that's hard : )

Papal Legate in his report to the Pope :
Our men
spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or
age, and put to the sword almost 20,000
people. After this great slaughter the whole
city was despoiled and burnt...[7]
The invaders burned the cathedral of Saint
Nazaire, which collapsed on those who had
taken refuge inside. The town was pillaged and
burnt. None were left alive. `
Christians, gotta lov'em
(Or they'll kill you too!)

Was he the one that said"let god sort them out" when told there were christians in the town or was that another fun guy?
/too late not going to google
//I've killed more than that in a city while playing total war Rome : )

Same guy -
`
the abbot supposedly replied,
"Kill them all, God will know His own" - "Neca
eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet".
`
Got promoted to Archbishop for his good work.


Cool, sounded familiar long day, long night, weird day etc.
Oh and you're on my faves in a good way and not just for mentioning some people I like in your profile.

/And yea the tough part is that wasn't even a blip on the things that occurred as the"church" tried to solidify their position, and that took hundreds of years.
 
2012-05-22 03:41:29 AM

WorldCitizen: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Gwendolyn: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Gay /=sterile, numbnuts.

I think it's pretty clear that he means that women can't naturally reproduce with women, and men with men, that's all. He's dumb in other ways, but I think he's got basic reproduction down, and I think he understand that queers have normally functioning reproductive systems, too. He just understands that a coop fulla hens ain't makin' no more wit'out a rooster, if'n ya know what I mean.

But he doesn't seem to understand that straight men and women make the gay babies? So that crop might die out, but more would just be born? Or would the infants instantly go to the concentration camp if they showed any signs of the gay? Perhaps some genetic tests right off to determine if they get sent away?


I think you and firefly212 both misunderstand both the pastor and Gwendolyn's post that I commented on. The pastor seems to believe that gayness is memetic, and yes, he really does seem to believe that if you can just quarantine gays for long enough, they'll die out, for being unable to transmit gays ideas to other people. And Gwendolyn seems, like a number of other early commenters, to think that he planned to pen them up together, when he in fact made it clear he intended to segregate them by gender; that confusion led Gwendolyn to conclude that he thought gays are sterile. That's all.
 
2012-05-22 03:41:51 AM
If GOD hates gay people so much, how come "DON'T BE GAY" isn't one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS?

Seems to me it would be if God hates teh ghey so much.
 
2012-05-22 03:44:36 AM

Justin Case: I'll bet he's gay.


I'll bet he's just a prejudiced little man who grew up in a prejudiced little culture and well yea he probably would like a a good man to be with.
 
2012-05-22 03:45:27 AM

LittleSmitty: If GOD hates gay people so much, how come "DON'T BE GAY" isn't one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS?

Seems to me it would be if God hates teh ghey so much.


Why would you artificially limit God to ten commandments? There are over 600 commandments, not including those in the Talmud.

The road to Hell is paved with "seems t me".
 
2012-05-22 03:58:51 AM

cmb53208: I really do think that some of these nutball Baptist and Pentecostal preachers do pose a threat. Could their follwers carry out a terrorist attack? Of course they could, people that blinded by hatred and ignorance are capable of anything.

Southern cities I think are the ones most in danger from these assholes: do you think they like the fact that Atlanta and New Orleans have large gay communities? Or that there's a bunch of pointy headed smarty pants people in Nashville and Chapel Hill?


Like a lot of people, you instinctively blame the one asshole up front, instead the horde of idiots bankrolling him. Look at that place in that video: Who paid for all that? Idiots who listen to this guy, that's who. You seem to think that if he was struck dead, or never showed up, they'd just mill around and mope. Nonsense. They'd just pick some other asshole to tell them what they want to hear. They're not "following" him: he's one of them. He dies, another takes over. They're part and parcel of the same societal illness, commonplace bigotry.

Our problem isn't that we have an abundance of assholes. It's that we have an abundance of people who pay them any mind.

In fact, I'm going to Godwin this right here: Schickelgruber was a homeless bum selling postcards when he started. The only thing that made the difference for him was a large number of other homeless bums who thought he was swell. (Really. Look it up.) The rest was just a gullible populace. All it would have taken to stop him was telling him to shut up and go back to painting his crappy postcards. No one ever had to do a damn thing he said, or listen to him at all. It's only because they did that the shiat came down. But if he'd never come along, someone else would have. We make a dangerous mistake in assuming that one man has more power than other men are willing to give him.

Beck, Rush, Coulter, and all the rest, they're not the problem. Who's buying all those books? If they couldn't buy Beck's, they'd just buy someone else's. If they couldn't tune into Rush, they'd tune into someone else equally odious. It's not the few idiots up front we need to worry about: it's all many other ones out there.

We're never going to run out of assholes. But there aren't enough of them to pose a real threat, on their own. It's the hordes of morans who listen that are the problem.
 
2012-05-22 04:02:37 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: WorldCitizen: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Gwendolyn: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Gay /=sterile, numbnuts.

I think it's pretty clear that he means that women can't naturally reproduce with women, and men with men, that's all. He's dumb in other ways, but I think he's got basic reproduction down, and I think he understand that queers have normally functioning reproductive systems, too. He just understands that a coop fulla hens ain't makin' no more wit'out a rooster, if'n ya know what I mean.

But he doesn't seem to understand that straight men and women make the gay babies? So that crop might die out, but more would just be born? Or would the infants instantly go to the concentration camp if they showed any signs of the gay? Perhaps some genetic tests right off to determine if they get sent away?

I think you and firefly212 both misunderstand both the pastor and Gwendolyn's post that I commented on. The pastor seems to believe that gayness is memetic, and yes, he really does seem to believe that if you can just quarantine gays for long enough, they'll die out, for being unable to transmit gays ideas to other people. And Gwendolyn seems, like a number of other early commenters, to think that he planned to pen them up together, when he in fact made it clear he intended to segregate them by gender; that confusion led Gwendolyn to conclude that he thought gays are sterile. That's all.


I guess that just goes to show how far we've come that it's difficult to understand that people really believe that homosexuals are all coerced through contact with other homosexuals. It is silly when you think about it.
Although to wipe out completely a generation of gay people that's scary.
 
2012-05-22 04:04:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: LittleSmitty: If GOD hates gay people so much, how come "DON'T BE GAY" isn't one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS?

Seems to me it would be if God hates teh ghey so much.

Why would you artificially limit God to ten commandments? There are over 600 commandments, not including those in the Talmud.

The road to Hell is paved with "seems t me".


What's the difference between 10 or 600?
`
These artificial limits do have consequences for real world people. This god thing is a myth
 
2012-05-22 04:06:05 AM

Boatmech: atheist calls for Religious Extremests to
be imprisoned in an electrified pen until
they die.


No. I'm better than them, I'm a gay atheist and I'm still better than them.
 
2012-05-22 04:07:51 AM

Boatmech: What's the difference between 10 or 600?
`


590.
 
2012-05-22 04:08:42 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: My parents get a lot out of going to there church, with the support and and all and well it's not a real judgmental one so. And it's not quite a country club or what not but it works for them so.


I actually am part of a Unitarian-Universalist congregation. I really don't consider it a religion.. there's no dogma, no creed, no doctrine, no gospel, no canon... just a set of basic philosophical principles (not commandments) that can be taken in a completely secular and humanistic light if you prefer to look at them that way.

It draws teachings from all faiths and religious and philosophical traditions, evaluating each of them on their individual merits. That makes it pretty much the opposite of "religion" as far as I'm concerned. YMMV.
 
2012-05-22 04:08:45 AM

untaken_name: Boatmech: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: jaylectricity: dameron: He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

So, it's genetic then?

Because People in power are Stupid: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!"

Okay so he basically admits that it's genetic and not a choice (at least for men). That's a gayby step forward.

I think he's assuming that the gay men won't want anything to do with the lesbians, so there will be no reproducing.

Okay, everyone? Go back and watch it again, and this time pay attention: He makes it pretty clear that he's talking about TWO DIFFERENT places -- one for women, and one for men. He doesn't mumble it or slur his speech. How did so many of you miss that detail?

Can I be a guard at the lesbian/bi camp?

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Pick Me!PickmEee!!

What you're thinking of:

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What you're more likely to see:

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Pretty late, isn't it? Did your school already let out for the summer?
 
2012-05-22 04:12:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: LittleSmitty: If GOD hates gay people so much, how come "DON'T BE GAY" isn't one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS?

Seems to me it would be if God hates teh ghey so much.

Why would you artificially limit God to ten commandments? There are over 600 commandments, not including those in the Talmud.

The road to Hell is paved with "seems t me".


seems to me xians talk in weirdly casual ways about an eternal dimension of torture that a supposedly infinitely loving god sends "his" beloved but doubting children to.

like, "oh you're going to hell, whatever."

and are you honestly suggesting people are supposed to follow hundreds of commandments? including the stonings of non-virgins, shrimp eating and whatnot? I thought the new xian argument was that only the anti-ghey guy leviticus passage was relevant from the "old law" and nothing else. or do you follow all 600+ commandments. get your story straight.

aslo your handle is cute, under the circumstances.

"poe's law" in play?
 
2012-05-22 04:13:03 AM

Boatmech: AverageAmericanGuy: LittleSmitty: If GOD hates gay people so much, how come "DON'T BE GAY" isn't one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS?

Seems to me it would be if God hates teh ghey so much.

Why would you artificially limit God to ten commandments? There are over 600 commandments, not including those in the Talmud.

The road to Hell is paved with "seems t me".

What's the difference between 10 or 600?
`
These artificial limits do have consequences for real world people. This god thing is a myth


The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

f anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

May you find Jesus before you spend eternity in fiery torment.
 
2012-05-22 04:13:34 AM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Pretty late, isn't it? Did your school already let out for the summer?


Oh, don't get butthurt. I could have easily posted a similar thing if he was talking about being a guard in an all-straight-female camp. I was really going more for a deconstruction of fantasy than an indictment of any particular demographic.
 
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