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2012-05-22 12:48:24 AM
Airlines need to make ticket changes based on a % of the price of the ticket.

I got a ticket with United for 160$. I needed to make a change and the change fee is 150$.

That's just plain stupid. If they make it say, 10,15% of the ticket price then MORE people would make changes and MORE income would come from people making changes. a 6000$ business class traveler would have to pay 600$ to make a change.
 
2012-05-22 12:51:17 AM

Chevello: And it's likely that I booked on Expedia or Travelocity, or some such, so they could have lied about the seating.


Try again. Southwest doesn't list their fares on Expedia, Travelocity etc. You can only buy SW tickets on the SW web site. And it doesn't take anything more than minimal research on their website to learn the policies.

Regarding bereavement rates. We've never been able to get a decent bereavement rate out of any airline. It's always been pretty much the same as the stock rate. The most recent time we looked was last fall when my brother-in-law died. Every airline my wife contacted, it was at least $50 more for bereavement. Heck she could have grabbed a last minute, two hours notice flight at "full price" cheaper than bereavement the next day.
 
2012-05-22 12:59:29 AM

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Cougar? MILF? Aunt? Do go on...


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What a wet Beaver might look like.
 
2012-05-22 01:03:45 AM
So does this mean I can pay to not have to sit next to my own kids?
 
2012-05-22 01:05:01 AM
And if you miss your flight, will they refund your money? If not then they shouldn't seat anyone in the seat you paid for.
Just sayin'
 
2012-05-22 01:12:09 AM

cig-mkr: And if you miss your flight, will they refund your money?


Southwest Airlines does, last I heard. My information may not be current since I prefer to have an assigned seat so I don't fly with them.
 
2012-05-22 01:30:47 AM
I know it makes me an asshole, but I don't switch seats. I'm already seated, I have my stuff put away and within easy reach of deboarding, I don't care that you want to sit next to someone, it's a short flight(I don't do international as my job has never required it) and you can stand to spend a couple hours away from that person, it won't kill you. I'm especially against switching seats in the winter seasons since some of you jackasses think it's okay to put a coat in the overhead.(If they're low on space by time I board, you're getting that coat in your lap so I can get a bag up there).
 
2012-05-22 01:36:30 AM

Ambivalence: The problem is that airlines are now charging extra for stuff that used to be included. No one likes to be hit up for money for every little thing. Airlines woudln't be so bad off if they jsut increased the fares and gave people everything they used to have. Complimentary snacks, no extra "fuel surcharge" bullshiat (like it's even possible to avoid that), dont' charge for a freaking suitcase or a carry on. Sure charge extra for nicer seats, that's fine, but a lot of this stuff shouldn't be so freaking asinine.



Blame that on the customers.

You say no one likes getting hit up with extra charges, but what brought it up was cheap airlines advertising bargain basement ticket prices that cutout many of the expected services and made up alot of their money with tacked on fees. Customers flocked to them and put the other airlines in serious jeopardy. They followed suit. They needed ticket prices that matched what the barging brand airlines were charging and advertising.


It's how Wal-Mart can come into a town and put the other stores out of business. Wal-Mart sells cheap crap. Customers love buying cheap crap. So even if the service is awful, the items break often, and it ends up being an unenjoyable experience most of the time; they'll still line up and go for the cheap crap.
 
2012-05-22 01:43:29 AM

pudding7: I have flown, and continue to fly, a lot. And I've never encountered the mythical "screaming baby" on a flight. I guess I've probably heard some kid wimper or cry for a bit, but if so it was so not-annoying that I can't recall any single specific experience like that.


You've been lucky then. I fly about 2 times a year and I've gotten a few. The story we talk about the most was a kid (about 10) whose ears popped and for about an hour was just yelling MY EARS MY EARS MY EARS off and on at the top of their lungs on a red-eye flight. At some level, you feel bad because the kid was in pain, but the parents did very little to calm the kid or even make the kid at his age.
 
2012-05-22 01:53:19 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Ambivalence: The problem is that airlines are now charging extra for stuff that used to be included. No one likes to be hit up for money for every little thing. Airlines woudln't be so bad off if they jsut increased the fares and gave people everything they used to have. Complimentary snacks, no extra "fuel surcharge" bullshiat (like it's even possible to avoid that), dont' charge for a freaking suitcase or a carry on. Sure charge extra for nicer seats, that's fine, but a lot of this stuff shouldn't be so freaking asinine.

Blame comparison shopping sites like Expedia and "Sort By Price". Consumers are stupid and aren't going to voluntarily pay $50 more in airfare even if it means they'll save $100 in fees. They're obsessed with the number on the screen and don't look at anything else.


You're insane if you don't think airline pricing is a racket. Expedia shows the cheapest fares, but it's the airlines that post those fares. And no one wants to be the only one being honest about how much it costs, not after years of hitting people up for change like a farking hobo.
 
2012-05-22 02:49:41 AM

Girion47: I know it makes me an asshole, but I don't switch seats. I'm already seated, I have my stuff put away and within easy reach of deboarding, I don't care that you want to sit next to someone, it's a short flight(I don't do international as my job has never required it) and you can stand to spend a couple hours away from that person, it won't kill you. I'm especially against switching seats in the winter seasons since some of you jackasses think it's okay to put a coat in the overhead.(If they're low on space by time I board, you're getting that coat in your lap so I can get a bag up there).


you can always go down the "pay me biatch" route.
start with $100. when they get biatchy, go to $200+

or tell them work a better deal. get you a seat on the aisle with bulkhead or exit row.
tell them to work it. I am sure the guy with the premium seat will give it up so they can sit with their thing.
 
2012-05-22 02:53:28 AM

pudding7: I have flown, and continue to fly, a lot. And I've never encountered the mythical "screaming baby" on a flight. I guess I've probably heard some kid wimper or cry for a bit, but if so it was so not-annoying that I can't recall any single specific experience like that.


Me either, and I fly a lot, as well.. Then again, I usually have my headphones on so I can't hear much anyway.

The only reason I like Southwest is because they don't charge for bags. I hate having to make sure I have cash so I can pay to check my bag. It wouldn't be so bad if that fee would guarantee that some crackhead baggage handler wouldn't go through my stuff, but it doesn't.
 
2012-05-22 05:16:03 AM

Chevello: And it's likely that I booked on Expedia or Travelocity, or some such, so they could have lied about the seating.


From my own experience as someone that flies relatively often (~3 transcontinental and ~5 continental annually), never buy from anyone but the airline itself. The price difference will be near nil, but the resolution to any issues will be dramatic.

Use Kayak to find the cheapest flight fitting your requirements and then go to that airline's web site to find and book it.
 
2012-05-22 05:48:27 AM

gilgigamesh: You know, I actually wouldn't mind all this nickel and diming bullshiat if they actually paid pilots a living wage.

But as it stands, a lot of these guys, especially the ones who work for regionals, actually have to take second jobs to make ends meet. It is always a little unsettling when I get on a plane and start wondering whether the guy in charge of the giant flying bomb I am about to travel in has had enough sleep between finishing up his shift as the night manager of Dennys and the time he's supposed to take me hurtling 30000 feet over the earth at 600 mph.

Airlines used to pay their pilots a decent, even comfortable salary. Now they pretty much take advantage of the fact that these guys love to fly, and would basically do it for free if they had to. It's pretty criminal. Those exorbitant fares are going somewhere, but it isn't the right place IMHO.


What are you talking about? Commercial airline pilots make $100k salaries.
 
2012-05-22 06:52:35 AM
As a huge fan of the window seat...I have been REALLY enjoying the new "25.00 upgrade" option. When I am flying from Florida to California and back, that is a miniscule charge for the peace (and sleep) I get. All the cheap ticket folks (for whom the absolute lowest cost is the prime motivator) end up leaving plenty of window seats available.
 
2012-05-22 07:00:43 AM

Chevello: Also, other people flying Southwest, even solo flyers, won't trade seats so that one parent can sit with them? Still makes my blood boil to have my kids treated like that.


I fly solo on Southwest several times a year and if you ever need me to trade seats, just ask and I'll happily do it. I wouldn't turn down the offer of a drink, though. :)
 
2012-05-22 07:42:59 AM

Triumph: Today it makes a bus seem like paradise.


So much this. It is amazing to see the number of "Chinatown" style busses between DC and NYC that have popped up as the airlines have nickel and dimed their customers. One of them takes off next to the Metro station I use, and I see plenty of people who are probably making business trips from the way they are dressed lined up for the early bus.

I tend to prefer the train for that trip, but it says something that people who make the journey regularly are trying to find any way but the air shuttle to make it.
 
2012-05-22 07:48:49 AM

BizarreMan: Chevello: And it's likely that I booked on Expedia or Travelocity, or some such, so they could have lied about the seating.

Try again. Southwest doesn't list their fares on Expedia, Travelocity etc. You can only buy SW tickets on the SW web site. And it doesn't take anything more than minimal research on their website to learn the policies.

Regarding bereavement rates. We've never been able to get a decent bereavement rate out of any airline. It's always been pretty much the same as the stock rate. The most recent time we looked was last fall when my brother-in-law died. Every airline my wife contacted, it was at least $50 more for bereavement. Heck she could have grabbed a last minute, two hours notice flight at "full price" cheaper than bereavement the next day.


Yep. that's what I said up there, I didn't do the research. Had no idea it would be different. I can tell you that I would not have picked an airline where it was obvious (to me) that I wouldn't be able to sit with the kids. It'd one of those "everybody knows" things that I never thought about. I don't know what I screwed up on the deal, so maybe I deserved to be treated like an idiot. Maybe it was just a map of the plane and it looked like I was picking 5 together, I don't know. A quick look at the SW website leads me to believe that I may have done an early bird checkin then ended up at the back of the line anyways because everyone else did too.

I guess they figure if you are taking a flight due to bereavement, you won't bother looking at the price. A couple of googles didn't find any other evidence that bereavement fares are ever higher than regular ones, but I did find that mostly you have to call on the phone to get them. So I guess we're even ;)
 
2012-05-22 07:52:40 AM

SurfaceTension: I fly solo on Southwest several times a year and if you ever need me to trade seats, just ask and I'll happily do it. I wouldn't turn down the offer of a drink, though. :)


I agree. The only time I have ever refused to trade seats, was on a flight to Vegas with assigned seating. I was wedged in a middle seat between a couple and they wanted me to switch. I said that I could switch to the aisle, but not the window on such a long flight due to my height. The woman understood, but the dude (who was of average height) would not in any way shape or form give up his aisle seat, which to my mind showed me just how much concern he had for his lady friend. In fact, as soon as the flight started, he plugged in headphones and I ended up having a very pleasant conversation with her for a bit.
 
2012-05-22 08:13:17 AM
Is it story time?

I was recently on a flight with my wife and 1 year old child on our way to a vacation. After we boarded,
a young couple politely asked the stewardess if they could be sat together, as they were on their honeymoon. The stewardess asked, and asked, and not one flipping person volunteered to swap a seat.

The two people sitting next to the newlyweds offered weak excuses such as, "I really need an isle seat to sleep before my meeting" or "I already stowed by bag in the overhead bin". After about 5 minutes of this, I discussed it with my wife and we agreed that since the kid was sleeping, we would split up so they could sit together. As soon as I plopped down next to "Mr. I need a nap" with my son, he immediately reconsidered his decision and order was restored to the universe. I still flung Cheerios at they guy a few times during the flight and just blamed my son. Kids are good for things like that.
 
2012-05-22 08:31:26 AM
Don't pay the fee. Take the same money and offer it to someone you want to switch seats with.

No, this is probably not "legal".

Fark them, that's why.
 
2012-05-22 08:47:00 AM

scarmig: Don't pay the $75 fee. Take the same money $20 and offer it to someone you want to switch seats with.

No, this is probably not "legal".

Fark them, that's why.


FTFY
 
2012-05-22 08:49:00 AM
My annoyance is with expedia, travelocity, yahoo travel, orbitz, etc. They go all-in to help hide these hidden fees when I honestly think that if one of them would step up and say "tell us exactly what you want and we'll show you the final price right up front, including all the fees", they'd differentiate themselves from their competition.

I wouldn't care about all of the fees if I could just say "I have three bags, I want zero stops, and I want my wife and daughter to sit next to me -- how much are these flights going to be?" and then just have the computer spit out a number.
 
2012-05-22 08:49:48 AM

maq0r: Airlines need to make ticket changes based on a % of the price of the ticket.

I got a ticket with United for 160$. I needed to make a change and the change fee is 150$.

That's just plain stupid. If they make it say, 10,15% of the ticket price then MORE people would make changes and MORE income would come from people making changes. a 6000$ business class traveler would have to pay 600$ to make a change.


They don't want you to make changes. Making changes means planes aren't full and then they really lose money.
 
2012-05-22 08:53:25 AM

Ambivalence: Thoguh: Wait, so you're telling me that their might be negatives to making your ticket purchase based solely on the base price of the ticket without regard to what is included in said price?

The problem is that airlines are now charging extra for stuff that used to be included. No one likes to be hit up for money for every little thing. Airlines woudln't be so bad off if they just increased the fares and gave people everything they used to have. Complimentary snacks, no extra "fuel surcharge" bullshiat (like it's even possible to avoid that), dont' charge for a freaking suitcase or a carry on. Sure charge extra for nicer seats, that's fine, but a lot of this stuff shouldn't be so freaking asinine.


I'd rather get nickle and dimed and pay for what I want then pay more for some things I don't want. When you go to a restaurant you get a menu with a list of items and their costs, you pay for what you want. This is where airlines are going. If you went into a restaurant and they charged you a flat amount regardless of what you ordered you would be upset when all you got was the soup, salad, and a water.

There is a cost associated with checking a bag, they charge you lets say $30 to do so. If 1/3 of passengers checked bags then they could just charge everyone $10 more in the ticket, so yes some people pay $30 more but anyone who didn't check saved $10. Now I'm sure there are other factors, like discouraging people from checking luggage to free up space in the hold that can in turn be sold to move cargo. Same applies with most (not all) of the other fees, some fees are bogus but in most cases airlines are basically going to an 'a la carte' model.
 
2012-05-22 08:56:27 AM

digistil: Chevello: And it's likely that I booked on Expedia or Travelocity, or some such, so they could have lied about the seating.

From my own experience as someone that flies relatively often (~3 transcontinental and ~5 continental annually), never buy from anyone but the airline itself. The price difference will be near nil, but the resolution to any issues will be dramatic.

Use Kayak to find the cheapest flight fitting your requirements and then go to that airline's web site to find and book it.


This.

/CSB

The company I work for really wants us to book through this one travel agency. The rates are usually 10% higher than what you find on Kayak, I have to figure out what routes I want, and we get charged $60 per ticket for their service. Supposedly this is because in the event of a problem, they will be better able to help us.

Well, I had a problem. The airport in Santiago ran out of fuel. Literally all flights that didn't get enough jet fuel were cancelled until more could be delivered the next day. The last flight with fuel turned back from taxiing to take additional passengers. I got in the line in attempt to on that flight. I also called the special emergency service number for our super special travel agent. This super special number charged a fee back to our company. Anyway, I wait about 40 minutes to a hold of someone. In that time, I'm at the front of the line to get on that last plane. I'm chatting with the pilots of my cancelled flight and we're joking about the situation.

So finally they pick up. I explain the situation and they tell me they need to call the airline to see what up. They come back and tell me that my original flight has boarded and should be in the air momentarily. I explain we are certainly not boarding, it is hard to fly with out fuel and that the pilot is standing next to me at another gate. She flat out refused to believe me and continues to argue with me for the next 20 minutes that they flight is on time.

Finally the gate agent for the last flight come back and tells me I missed it by one person and that I'll have to come back tomorrow when they should have fuel. The phone drops the call somewhere in there, but it was pointless anyway.

The guy that 'defied' company policy and booked directly with the airline? Called the airline and got on the flight in about a total of 20 minutes... but the gate agents bumped him anyway due to something strange, but understandable.

What was 'funny' where the people that got on the last flight biatching how they had to pay a change fee as they booked via a travel agent. So they had to pay a fee to pull the reservation away from the agency so that the airline could transfer them from one airline to another.

/CSB

TLDR: Save yourself some heartache and book direclty through the airlines.
 
2012-05-22 08:59:34 AM

Optimus Primate: As a huge fan of the window seat...I have been REALLY enjoying the new "25.00 upgrade" option. When I am flying from Florida to California and back, that is a miniscule charge for the peace (and sleep) I get. All the cheap ticket folks (for whom the absolute lowest cost is the prime motivator) end up leaving plenty of window seats available.


Honest question, why do you like window seats ? I freaking hate window seats. I like to have a aisle seat, from the middle rows of seats. That way, I can deploy my legs in the aisle, get up whenever I want, and I have one less person that'll ask me to move when he wants to go to the loo.
 
2012-05-22 09:30:54 AM

padraig: Optimus Primate: As a huge fan of the window seat...I have been REALLY enjoying the new "25.00 upgrade" option. When I am flying from Florida to California and back, that is a miniscule charge for the peace (and sleep) I get. All the cheap ticket folks (for whom the absolute lowest cost is the prime motivator) end up leaving plenty of window seats available.

Honest question, why do you like window seats ? I freaking hate window seats. I like to have a aisle seat, from the middle rows of seats. That way, I can deploy my legs in the aisle, get up whenever I want, and I have one less person that'll ask me to move when he wants to go to the loo.


HA! I have been asked this a lot. I guess a lot of people don't like window seats very much, though I have very good reasons for my preferences.

1. I sleep on planes. Deep, amazing sleep...almost like I am drugged. The vibration of the plane is better than Ambien. I will often be asleep before the plane leaves the Tarmac, and will sleep right through takeoff. With the window seat, I can curl up against the side of the plane and have a perfect sleeping posture.

2. I do not use the restroom on flights under 5 hours (which is 95% of the flights I take). I intentionally do not drink much water prior to flying to ensure this. This means I will not need to try and squeeze past folks in the other seats at all. I have nothing against plane restrooms, I just hate having to get up from my cozy womb of sleep and having to wake people up just to go to the potty.

3. I am not tall. I am about 5' 9". My legs extend fine under the seat in front of me so I can achieve decent comfort.

4. I hate (HATE) being disturbed from my glorious plane-sleep by the beverage cart folks. I don't want people invading my space with their drinks and peanuts, I do not want to be asked about them, I just want to sleep. Often, the folks in the middle/aisle seats even have to help hand the items over to the window person...even more hassle! Once at cruising altitude, I put on headphones for the remainder of the flight and zone out. Nobody bothers me.

5. Undisputed Armrests. In the window seat, you get the armrest by the window all for yourself. The middle seat person gets two armrests (they deserve them for being in the sh*ttiest seat), but not everyone is as courteous as I am, so sometimes the middle seat gets NO armrests - or they have to battle the whole flight for them.

6. The aisHELL seat sucks. When you sit it the aisle, you get bumped constantly by every fat, grotesque, midwestern ass that walks by. Given that my sole desire is to sleep, the aisle is the WORST seat for that function. Also, not everyone abstains from water pre-flight like me. If I'm in the aisle, I will inevitably be disturbed by the two incontinent morons who can't hold their piss for 2 hours - sometimes they will need to go TWICE in 2 hours. Thus, less sleep -and more rage-inducement.

I imagine I have explained my preferences successfully, lol. I love the window seat.
 
2012-05-22 09:40:20 AM
I just want the sky waitress to makey-makey with the drinky cart.

Is that too much to ask?
 
2012-05-22 09:53:18 AM

maq0r: Airlines need to make ticket changes based on a % of the price of the ticket.

I got a ticket with United for 160$. I needed to make a change and the change fee is 150$.

That's just plain stupid. If they make it say, 10,15% of the ticket price then MORE people would make changes and MORE income would come from people making changes. a 6000$ business class traveler would have to pay 600$ to make a change.


communist!
 
2012-05-22 11:17:20 AM
This is why Southwest exists. And, like everybody else, I'm not sure what Chevello is smoking with his little tale.
 
2012-05-22 12:01:35 PM

Chevello: Bathia_Mapes: I can see why not being able to sit next to your spouse wouldn't be that big of a deal, but seating a parent and their young child in different rows isn't appropriate for any reason whatsoever.

I got bit by this one by Southwest before I knew about their cattle boarding system. Did you know that no amount of arguing or complaining will allow either Foster parent to sit next to their Fosterlings on their first plane trip? Completely inexcusable to force a 7 year old girl child with "issues" to sit between two strange men on a five hour flight. The wife and I had to do some horse trading to fix THAT. Also, other people flying Southwest, even solo flyers, won't trade seats so that one parent can sit with them? Still makes my blood boil to have my kids treated like that.

When I booked the flights, the website allowed me to choose a contiguous block of seats. Somehow this changed between booking and arrival. The gate agent said that it wasn't possible to do, so somehow THAT changed between booking and boarding as well. I had chosen SW because they were the only flight at the time I needed that HAD a block of 5 seats left.

\RRRRRRRRRRRRRRaaaaaage!
\\still not over it


I've had this same bullshiat with Southwest when connecting.

Twice I've had connecting flights with them. Made sure to check in in advance and get "A" passes. Arrived at our airport 2+ hours in advance. Weather delayed our flights and we barely get to the connecting airport.

They push us onto the connecting flight and all we could find were separated center seats. The air biatch is like "Quickly find your seats. Remember "C" stands for center." in a perky fake voice.

I only do non-stops now.
 
2012-05-22 12:46:40 PM

Geotpf: This is why Southwest exists. And, like everybody else, I'm not sure what Chevello is smoking with his little tale.


Just relating an incident that happened to me is all. some of it was my mistakes, some was a (shocking I know) lack of helpfulness by airline employees. I'm not trying to argue, and some have actually pointed out where I made some of my mistakes during the event. I certainly know better than to expect reserved seats now.
 
2012-05-22 01:50:52 PM
We just booked tickets for LA to New York and ended up booking through Virgin instead of going with one of the cheaper carriers for this exact reason. It cost us a bit more but was still better than paying extra to have my husband and two-year-old son sit right next to me and we're guaranteed to have TVs at our seats, especially for our son. It's a horrible feeling when you're the parent with the screaming kid because he doesn't understand why the computer has to be put away for landing.

Also, the last time we flew with Virgin, they told us that they specifically hold the seats in the first two rows open to let families sit together -- you just have to check in at the airport early so they can adjust the seats before others have checked in. And they didn't charge us anything for changing our seat assignments at the check-in counter.
 
2012-05-22 02:43:02 PM
The airlines are not making me regret my decision to never again use their services.
 
2012-05-22 03:46:37 PM

dletter: The parent has to pay the extra $75? Seems like the guy who'd get stuck next to the 3 year old would pay the $75 to not sit next to them.


Huh? I think it would be a good thing. 3 yo's don't take up much room. More room for me.
 
2012-05-22 05:56:24 PM

Chevello: Bathia_Mapes: I can see why not being able to sit next to your spouse wouldn't be that big of a deal, but seating a parent and their young child in different rows isn't appropriate for any reason whatsoever.

I got bit by this one by Southwest before I knew about their cattle boarding system. Did you know that no amount of arguing or complaining will allow either Foster parent to sit next to their Fosterlings on their first plane trip? Completely inexcusable to force a 7 year old girl child with "issues" to sit between two strange men on a five hour flight. The wife and I had to do some horse trading to fix THAT. Also, other people flying Southwest, even solo flyers, won't trade seats so that one parent can sit with them? Still makes my blood boil to have my kids treated like that.

When I booked the flights, the website allowed me to choose a contiguous block of seats. Somehow this changed between booking and arrival. The gate agent said that it wasn't possible to do, so somehow THAT changed between booking and boarding as well. I had chosen SW because they were the only flight at the time I needed that HAD a block of 5 seats left.

\RRRRRRRRRRRRRRaaaaaage!
\\still not over it


Step 1: Seat the kid
Step 2: Ask the people on either side of her if they'd switch seats. If they say no smile at them and tell them to enjoy their flight.
Step 3: Profit. Which in this case means find the farthest possible seat and order mixed drinks for the duration of the flight.

/I've tried this, but the jerks always decide they want to change seats once they see you're seriously walking away.
 
2012-05-22 08:19:49 PM

Tommy Moo: gilgigamesh: You know, I actually wouldn't mind all this nickel and diming bullshiat if they actually paid pilots a living wage.

But as it stands, a lot of these guys, especially the ones who work for regionals, actually have to take second jobs to make ends meet. It is always a little unsettling when I get on a plane and start wondering whether the guy in charge of the giant flying bomb I am about to travel in has had enough sleep between finishing up his shift as the night manager of Dennys and the time he's supposed to take me hurtling 30000 feet over the earth at 600 mph.

Airlines used to pay their pilots a decent, even comfortable salary. Now they pretty much take advantage of the fact that these guys love to fly, and would basically do it for free if they had to. It's pretty criminal. Those exorbitant fares are going somewhere, but it isn't the right place IMHO.

What are you talking about? Commercial airline pilots make $100k salaries.


Yeah, but Porsche mechanics make $150k
 
2012-05-22 08:27:49 PM

Optimus Primate: padraig: Optimus Primate: As a huge fan of the window seat...I have been REALLY enjoying the new "25.00 upgrade" option. When I am flying from Florida to California and back, that is a miniscule charge for the peace (and sleep) I get. All the cheap ticket folks (for whom the absolute lowest cost is the prime motivator) end up leaving plenty of window seats available.

Honest question, why do you like window seats ? I freaking hate window seats. I like to have a aisle seat, from the middle rows of seats. That way, I can deploy my legs in the aisle, get up whenever I want, and I have one less person that'll ask me to move when he wants to go to the loo.

HA! I have been asked this a lot. I guess a lot of people don't like window seats very much, though I have very good reasons for my preferences.

1. I sleep on planes. Deep, amazing sleep...almost like I am drugged. The vibration of the plane is better than Ambien. I will often be asleep before the plane leaves the Tarmac, and will sleep right through takeoff. With the window seat, I can curl up against the side of the plane and have a perfect sleeping posture.

2. I do not use the restroom on flights under 5 hours (which is 95% of the flights I take). I intentionally do not drink much water prior to flying to ensure this. This means I will not need to try and squeeze past folks in the other seats at all. I have nothing against plane restrooms, I just hate having to get up from my cozy womb of sleep and having to wake people up just to go to the potty.

3. I am not tall. I am about 5' 9". My legs extend fine under the seat in front of me so I can achieve decent comfort.

4. I hate (HATE) being disturbed from my glorious plane-sleep by the beverage cart folks. I don't want people invading my space with their drinks and peanuts, I do not want to be asked about them, I just want to sleep. Often, the folks in the middle/aisle seats even have to help hand the items over to the window person...even more hassle! Once at crui ...


Just so you know, those of us who go to the bathroom a lot are not doing so just because we're careless or inconsiderate. I have a lot of issues with hydration and altitude sickness, and I go to the bathroom once an hour on a flight, minimum. Of course, I also do everything in my power to get an aisle seat, but sometimes the airlines thwart me. Count me as another person who usually refuses to move when someone asks if I'll switch seats, especially if that would place me farther away from the bathroom.
 
2012-05-22 08:31:45 PM

padraig: Optimus Primate: As a huge fan of the window seat...I have been REALLY enjoying the new "25.00 upgrade" option. When I am flying from Florida to California and back, that is a miniscule charge for the peace (and sleep) I get. All the cheap ticket folks (for whom the absolute lowest cost is the prime motivator) end up leaving plenty of window seats available.

Honest question, why do you like window seats ? I freaking hate window seats. I like to have a aisle seat, from the middle rows of seats. That way, I can deploy my legs in the aisle, get up whenever I want, and I have one less person that'll ask me to move when he wants to go to the loo.


I like the window seats. Just to look out the window and think about what the pilot is seeing out the front. One flight I was on had the cockpit radio on one of the channels. Now that I have a kindle fire it might be nice to have an aisle (i'm over 6'3") if there's wi-fi available.
Some good comments here, I like the idea of a straight up menu like an a la carte restaurant where all the pricing is up front.
 
2012-05-23 12:14:56 AM
The last few times I have tried to book flights, the airlines always want to charge to pick seats. I am not going to pay to choose my seat. Luckily I have not yet had a problem of the family getting split up too much. Has anyone else had that happen?
 
2012-05-23 03:49:13 AM

Snakeophelia: Count me as another person who usually refuses to move when someone asks if I'll switch seats, especially if that would place me farther away from the bathroom.


If I don't get an aisle seat I am very unhappy. If someone asks me to switch from my carefully selected aisle seat to a middle seat, then that seat better be between two supermodel women who like giving handjobs to strange men on airplanes or the answer will be no.
 
2012-05-24 05:17:43 PM

Kazrath: dletter: The parent has to pay the extra $75? Seems like the guy who'd get stuck next to the 3 year old would pay the $75 to not sit next to them.

Huh? I think it would be a good thing. 3 yo's don't take up much room. More room for me.


LOL.... you've never really been around a 3 year old have you? Unless your plan was to somehow drug the 3 year old before the flight took off.
 
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