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(Daily Mail)   Not News: Loner cannot get a date to the prom. News: Track coach feels sorry for him so she escorts him there. Fark: She gets canned even though no shenanigans took place   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 96
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2012-05-21 10:14:24 PM  
I loved the response by the track coach, completely told off everyone involved, and the farking town.

"She did something inappropriate."
"The only inappropriate thing we've done is pay for a bunch of shiat, and make your track program noteworthy. Now we're taking our taxes and our coaching elsewhere."
 
2012-05-21 10:14:39 PM  

burton160w: What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies?


Oh sh*t, I had coaches take us out to pizza starting in elementary school, does that mean we all got raped later and I've just repressed those memories?
 
2012-05-21 10:17:00 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: IAmRight: Ah yes, we have to punish people for being nice now, because we have to assume the worst to protect the kids.

Nothing will protect the kids like constantly telling them that everyone is trying to f*ck them at all times. That won't cause any mental issues.

I don't see it as that. I see it as crossing the line of professional conduct. That coach, volunteer or not, held a position of authority over the student.

Very bad things can (and have) resulted from crossing that line. Teachers and students, doctors and patients, lawyers and clients.

I'm not saying what she did was horrible. On the contrary, I think it was quite well intentioned, but also very foolish.


So we should always assume the worst for everything and treat all instances like the worst did happen?
 
2012-05-21 10:17:13 PM  
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2012-05-21 10:17:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SweetSilverBlues: On the contrary, I think it was quite well intentioned, but also very foolish.

Being friendly is being foolish?

ace in your face: Yeah, that's really inappropriate and I don't feel bad for her. People get in trouble being friends with students on Facebook. Hell I would say just the slow dancing regardless of being his date is inappropriate

I had a slow dance with the vice-principal of my high school at my senior prom. You could not have found one person at the prom or among the faculty and admins who would've thought it inappropriate. As for not being friends with students? Yeah, good luck trying to run good schools if you tell teachers they can't ever be friends with their students.


Ok, person who is clearly out of touch, most schools have actual policies now that you can't be Facebook friends with your students. Your testimony that others didn't find your dance creepy is one sided at best.
 
2012-05-21 10:17:22 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: *sigh*


In the rest of the civilized world what happened in this story wouldn't even register as anything to notice to anyone.
 
2012-05-21 10:17:39 PM  

IAmRight: burton160w: What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies?

Oh sh*t, I had coaches take us out to pizza starting in elementary school, does that mean we all got raped later and I've just repressed those memories?


You got the big sausage pizza with a giant dollop of mozzarella. I think my Little League coach got me the same way.

/Damned tasty pizza for your innocence is not a fair trade!
 
2012-05-21 10:19:22 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out what "she get canned" means?
 
2012-05-21 10:19:24 PM  
Subby missplelled "Loser" in the headline


/Trolling is a art
 
2012-05-21 10:19:25 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SweetSilverBlues: On the contrary, I think it was quite well intentioned, but also very foolish.

Being friendly is being foolish?

ace in your face: Yeah, that's really inappropriate and I don't feel bad for her. People get in trouble being friends with students on Facebook. Hell I would say just the slow dancing regardless of being his date is inappropriate

I had a slow dance with the vice-principal of my high school at my senior prom. You could not have found one person at the prom or among the faculty and admins who would've thought it inappropriate. As for not being friends with students? Yeah, good luck trying to run good schools if you tell teachers they can't ever be friends with their students.


There's a BIG difference between being "friendly" and being "friends."

It is just not appropriate, let alone smart, to become "friends" with a student if you're a teacher or in a position of authority over students. If you equate "good schooling" with "teachers befriending students" then I just don't know how to discuss this with you, except to reiterate my point. You cannot possibly have any kind of friendship with someone over whom you exercise that much authority. It's the mark of an immature adult. Sad at best, predatory at worst.
 
2012-05-21 10:20:00 PM  

calbert: I'm still trying to figure out what "she get canned" means?


Giggity?
 
2012-05-21 10:21:54 PM  

ace in your face: WhyteRaven74: SweetSilverBlues: On the contrary, I think it was quite well intentioned, but also very foolish.

Being friendly is being foolish?

ace in your face: Yeah, that's really inappropriate and I don't feel bad for her. People get in trouble being friends with students on Facebook. Hell I would say just the slow dancing regardless of being his date is inappropriate

I had a slow dance with the vice-principal of my high school at my senior prom. You could not have found one person at the prom or among the faculty and admins who would've thought it inappropriate. As for not being friends with students? Yeah, good luck trying to run good schools if you tell teachers they can't ever be friends with their students.

Ok, person who is clearly out of touch, most schools have actual policies now that you can't be Facebook friends with your students. Your testimony that others didn't find your dance creepy is one sided at best.


Adults being friendly to people under 18 is now "creepy". Let's lock up everyone over 18 so they don't pose any threat to the precious children, and the moment someone turns 18 they're locked up too.

Robots and computers will raise and teach the children until they come of age and are locked away.
 
2012-05-21 10:21:55 PM  

burton160w: t. What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies?


If this were in Belgium you could ask what stops the student from buying her a beer. However Belgians would wonder how someone so lacking in brain cells manages to type.

ace in your face: Your testimony that others didn't find your dance creepy is one sided at best.


Having a dance with a teacher or admin at senior prom was an old thing at my high school, I wasn't the first, I'm sure I wasn't the last. Granted our prom wasn't at school but at a hotel ballroom and many of the usual rules in place at school were out the window, like we could smoke at prom if we wanted to. And many did, in addition to the expected cigarettes were many cigars lit that night. All in fuel view of all the teachers and admins who were there that night.
 
2012-05-21 10:22:50 PM  

calbert: I'm still trying to figure out what "she get canned" means?


Are you British or something ?
 
2012-05-21 10:23:44 PM  
If he was a real loner he wouldn't have wanted to go to prom in the first place. I think he is just a regular loser.
 
2012-05-21 10:25:17 PM  
Is having a teacher pity you and escort you to the prom....is that not something that will make everyone will discuss how weird that is now? Did I miss this transition? It's been awhile, but that would have been sad back then.

Maybe it's all the farking now. My kid is in middle school. I just pack condoms in his backpack and tell him that old biatches are wily, and to watch himself.
 
2012-05-21 10:30:29 PM  

rogue_L_chick: Is having a teacher pity you and escort you to the prom....is that not something that will make everyone will discuss how weird that is now?


Speaking as a former high school guy : It depends on how hawt the teacher/escort is. As long as she is fapworthy it's all good. Getting a cafeteria lunchlady as a pity prom date is worse.

As for the girls ? I'm just gonna' guess they weren't talking about him at all so any pub is good pub
 
2012-05-21 10:35:13 PM  
Track and field will never be the same.

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2012-05-21 10:36:19 PM  
She's 41...hubby is 70-something
He needs a crane...she needs a stiff one. Many, many times.

Case closed.
 
2012-05-21 10:36:51 PM  
Teacher accompanying a student to the Senior Prom wasn't such a big deal in '72. Happened a few times to my recollection but it was in the Northeast which seems (now in light of this and other similar weirdness) to be far more progressive in that private lives are still pretty much that.
Who would want to return to work there? For free?

What a group of
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2012-05-21 10:42:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: burton160w: t. What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies?

If this were in Belgium you could ask what stops the student from buying her a beer. However Belgians would wonder how someone so lacking in brain cells manages to type.


The problem with it happening in Belgium is you'd go to tell the authorities, but end up having to wait for one to form. And my point wasn't the coach taking the kids out for pizza being wrong. That authority-boundary is still there. But the effect that an authority figure is taking a student out as a date is unethical.

Slotz said it best. There's a big difference between being friendly and being friends. As a school's authority figure you're expected to understand that. Going as a student's date crosses that boundary.

 
2012-05-21 11:00:40 PM  
Yeah, this is one of those articles from the Daily Heil that is written by American journalists purely for an American audience; Curtis has greened lots of them recently. The articles are on dailymail.co.uk, but they're written in American English with a shiatload of American terms in them.

On balance, I suppose it's a better headline than "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", however.
 
2012-05-21 11:06:36 PM  
Title should have read News, Fark and then Not News
 
2012-05-21 11:09:33 PM  
Big overreaction. Still, if it had been a man, he'd be under investigation or in custody.
 
2012-05-21 11:10:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: ace in your face: WhyteRaven74: SweetSilverBlues: On the contrary, I think it was quite well intentioned, but also very foolish.

Being friendly is being foolish?

ace in your face: Yeah, that's really inappropriate and I don't feel bad for her. People get in trouble being friends with students on Facebook. Hell I would say just the slow dancing regardless of being his date is inappropriate

I had a slow dance with the vice-principal of my high school at my senior prom. You could not have found one person at the prom or among the faculty and admins who would've thought it inappropriate. As for not being friends with students? Yeah, good luck trying to run good schools if you tell teachers they can't ever be friends with their students.

Ok, person who is clearly out of touch, most schools have actual policies now that you can't be Facebook friends with your students. Your testimony that others didn't find your dance creepy is one sided at best.

Adults being friendly to people under 18 is now "creepy". Let's lock up everyone over 18 so they don't pose any threat to the precious children, and the moment someone turns 18 they're locked up too.

Robots and computers will raise and teach the children until they come of age and are locked away.


Being a Facebook friend and being friendly are completely different things, but the fact that knave to explain that to you should insult your intelligence,
 
2012-05-21 11:12:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: burton160w: t. What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies?

If this were in Belgium you could ask what stops the student from buying her a beer. However Belgians would wonder how someone so lacking in brain cells manages to type.

ace in your face: Your testimony that others didn't find your dance creepy is one sided at best.

Having a dance with a teacher or admin at senior prom was an old thing at my high school, I wasn't the first, I'm sure I wasn't the last. Granted our prom wasn't at school but at a hotel ballroom and many of the usual rules in place at school were out the window, like we could smoke at prom if we wanted to. And many did, in addition to the expected cigarettes were many cigars lit that night. All in fuel view of all the teachers and admins who were there that night.


You sound old...
 
2012-05-21 11:22:04 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Phil Knight might not be amused. In Oregon, you really don't want to cross Phil Knight. Ask the city of Beaverton how that works out.


Aside from some money struggles with UO, has he ever actually done anything to cross Beaverton?
 
2012-05-21 11:29:31 PM  
It is just not appropriate for adult staff to go on a date with students, no matter what the motives or whether the date went to first base or not. She should have been let go.
 
2012-05-21 11:32:42 PM  

foxyshadis: Harry_Seldon: Phil Knight might not be amused. In Oregon, you really don't want to cross Phil Knight. Ask the city of Beaverton how that works out.

Aside from some money struggles with UO, has he ever actually done anything to cross Beaverton?


You ever see those giants lots of undeveloped land across from Nike World Headquarters?

Nikes fights with Beaverton.
 
2012-05-21 11:37:17 PM  
Jeez I hate a-holes that see seckshual preverts everywhere they look including no doubt under their own beds, where the Reds used to hide.

Had the kid gone with a hot high priced 19 year old escort/hooker/porn star everyone would think he was a hero.

Note to young teenage loners: Start saving your pennies now.

:-)
 
2012-05-21 11:39:01 PM  
I feel bad for the lady's son...the one that's on the track team with the "loner."
Having a parent at prom would be ripe for embarrassment; having a parent go as someone else's date even moreso.
 
2012-05-22 12:02:44 AM  
Went to watch a movie with my female teacher in elementary school, with a few other kids too. Normal. Nobody freaked out. The kids that didn't go may have been pissed though.
 
2012-05-22 12:36:55 AM  

slotz: It is just not appropriate, let alone smart, to become "friends" with a student if you're a teacher or in a position of authority over students. If you equate "good schooling" with "teachers befriending students" then I just don't know how to discuss this with you, except to reiterate my point. You cannot possibly have any kind of friendship with someone over whom you exercise that much authority. It's the mark of an immature adult. Sad at best, predatory at worst.


Every student who has ever been inspired by a teacher who bothered to care about them beyond their attendance and grades weeps for your rigidity. I'll be sure to let the ones who turned my dumb ass around just by giving a fark that they should have minded their own business and let me wallow in the gutter instead, because after all, their job has nothing to do training the next generation to be productive and worthwhile people, their job is just to be paper grading automations.

Hint: Friends can show tough love too. I'd go so far as to say those are the friends you need more than the ones who want to be your buddies.
 
2012-05-22 01:32:25 AM  

foxyshadis: slotz: It is just not appropriate, let alone smart, to become "friends" with a student if you're a teacher or in a position of authority over students. If you equate "good schooling" with "teachers befriending students" then I just don't know how to discuss this with you, except to reiterate my point. You cannot possibly have any kind of friendship with someone over whom you exercise that much authority. It's the mark of an immature adult. Sad at best, predatory at worst.

Every student who has ever been inspired by a teacher who bothered to care about them beyond their attendance and grades weeps for your rigidity. I'll be sure to let the ones who turned my dumb ass around just by giving a fark that they should have minded their own business and let me wallow in the gutter instead, because after all, their job has nothing to do training the next generation to be productive and worthwhile people, their job is just to be paper grading automations.

Hint: Friends can show tough love too. I'd go so far as to say those are the friends you need more than the ones who want to be your buddies.


I had a few awesome teachers in my time in school, teachers with whom I was friendly, and teachers who inspired me. I was not friends with any of these teachers. In truth, it's very difficult to develop a friendship across the barriers you have between teachers and students - age and authority primarily. I do know that some students stay in contact with former teachers, and it's possible for a friendship to develop then, once the authority barrier is no longer in place.

It's actually a similar situation in workplaces and other environments with a clear chain of authority like that- it's difficult to develop a friendship with a subordinate, as the subordinate will often think the friendship excuses them from having to submit to that authority. I've not been a teacher, but I was a supervisor back when I was working in retail, and becoming friends with some of my employees was impossible, because they thought friendly social interraction (at or outside the workplace) excused them from their duties,

I can only imagine that for a teacher who has to maintain order and discipline in a classroom, (not to mention teach) it would be much more difficult.
 
2012-05-22 01:49:22 AM  
Aren't all female track coaches lesbian anyway?
 
2012-05-22 02:46:42 AM  

ace in your face: Keizer_Ghidorah: ace in your face: WhyteRaven74: SweetSilverBlues: On the contrary, I think it was quite well intentioned, but also very foolish.

Being friendly is being foolish?

ace in your face: Yeah, that's really inappropriate and I don't feel bad for her. People get in trouble being friends with students on Facebook. Hell I would say just the slow dancing regardless of being his date is inappropriate

I had a slow dance with the vice-principal of my high school at my senior prom. You could not have found one person at the prom or among the faculty and admins who would've thought it inappropriate. As for not being friends with students? Yeah, good luck trying to run good schools if you tell teachers they can't ever be friends with their students.

Ok, person who is clearly out of touch, most schools have actual policies now that you can't be Facebook friends with your students. Your testimony that others didn't find your dance creepy is one sided at best.

Adults being friendly to people under 18 is now "creepy". Let's lock up everyone over 18 so they don't pose any threat to the precious children, and the moment someone turns 18 they're locked up too.

Robots and computers will raise and teach the children until they come of age and are locked away.

Being a Facebook friend and being friendly are completely different things, but the fact that knave to explain that to you should insult your intelligence,


Don't use Facebook, so don't know. If it's really such a horrible thing then why hasn't it been shut down?
 
2012-05-22 02:51:27 AM  

strapp3r: any chance this can transform into a Kara Goucher thread?

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/her big finish at The Cameltoe Classic is my fave!




Ugh! I hope not! She's uggles!
 
2012-05-22 02:58:23 AM  
Bad judgment on her part, motives notwithstanding.

I think it's interesting that the daughter of the founder of Nike chooses to work as a school track coach when she could be doing her damnedest to spend her way through the family fortune.
 
2012-05-22 03:06:11 AM  
Dateless Loner?

What's his fark handle?

www.coverbrowser.com
 
2012-05-22 04:24:51 AM  
THE PROM IS ABOUT SEX. GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD MRS. "TRACK COACH"
 
2012-05-22 05:02:12 AM  

foxyshadis: slotz: It is just not appropriate, let alone smart, to become "friends" with a student if you're a teacher or in a position of authority over students. If you equate "good schooling" with "teachers befriending students" then I just don't know how to discuss this with you, except to reiterate my point. You cannot possibly have any kind of friendship with someone over whom you exercise that much authority. It's the mark of an immature adult. Sad at best, predatory at worst.

Every student who has ever been inspired by a teacher who bothered to care about them beyond their attendance and grades weeps for your rigidity. I'll be sure to let the ones who turned my dumb ass around just by giving a fark that they should have minded their own business and let me wallow in the gutter instead, because after all, their job has nothing to do training the next generation to be productive and worthwhile people, their job is just to be paper grading automations.

Hint: Friends can show tough love too. I'd go so far as to say those are the friends you need more than the ones who want to be your buddies.


Hint: they're called "mentors," not "friends." Come on, don't pretend to be so clueless.
 
2012-05-22 09:04:52 AM  

Sabyen91: burton160w: I fail to see how her firing is controversial? There are guidelines put in place for professionals, be it teachers or coaches, to follow. I see the good intention, but she's a professional of the district. What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies? Or letting the student touch boob just because he's a loner? Good intentions would be giving some advice, maybe giving suggestions on wardrobe or date ideas. Taking him to prom was never going to change the loner status, probably just ostracize him more. Plus SHE IS 41, that's creepy no matter which way you spin it!

Good intentions are a gateway drug to vagina licking.


Then sign me up for some good intentions!
 
2012-05-22 09:09:04 AM  

One Bad Apple: calbert: I'm still trying to figure out what "she get canned" means?

Are you British or something ?


She got tinned.
 
2012-05-22 10:02:58 AM  

IAmRight: burton160w: What stops her from then taking the student out for ice cream? Or going to the movies?

Oh sh*t, I had coaches take us out to pizza starting in elementary school, does that mean we all got raped later and I've just repressed those memories?


At our annual elementary school fundraiser parents bid on teacher-student meetups where the teacher takes the student to get ice cream or the movies or the park. It is the biggest earner every year.

I notice that this was in response to a chaperone's complaint. Probably said chaperone was a jealous cougar wannabe.
 
2012-05-22 12:52:58 PM  

Fano: One Bad Apple: calbert: I'm still trying to figure out what "she get canned" means?

Are you British or something ?

She got tinned.


"Binned" as in trash bin I have heard of. Never "tinned".
 
2012-05-22 05:06:44 PM  

Jorn the Younger: foxyshadis: slotz: It is just not appropriate, let alone smart, to become "friends" with a student if you're a teacher or in a position of authority over students. If you equate "good schooling" with "teachers befriending students" then I just don't know how to discuss this with you, except to reiterate my point. You cannot possibly have any kind of friendship with someone over whom you exercise that much authority. It's the mark of an immature adult. Sad at best, predatory at worst.

I had a few awesome teachers in my time in school, teachers with whom I was friendly, and teachers who inspired me. I was not friends with any of these teachers. In truth, it's very difficult to develop a friendship across the barriers you have between teachers and students - age and authority primarily. I do know that some students stay in contact with former teachers, and it's possible for a friendship to develop then, once the authority barrier is no longer in place.

It's actually a similar situation in workplaces and other environments with a clear chain of authority like that- it's difficult to develop a friendship with a subordinate, as the subordinate will often think the friendship excuses them from having to submit to that authority. I've not been a teacher, but I was a supervisor back when I was working in retail, and becoming friends with some of my e ...


You are mistakenly comparing a working relationship with a teaching relationship. There is a difference between guiding a person - be they college- or elementary-aged - and being placed directly in charge over employees who are considered your peers. You are also mistaking having a position of authority with teaching with authority, a vast difference.

When you look back at the times and circumstances growing up where you learned the most, how many times did you learn more when being spoken to under an "authority figure"?
Ostensibly, how often did you learn from someone who spoke to you directly (whether as an individual or collectively as a group)? During which instance did you focus more on what you were being taught, guided by, and encouraged to do versus just hearing the materials laid-out from a book or course?

The best teachers...Hell, the best leaders are considered those who are able to come across to others with equal parts equality and dignity. Where someone can speak to you, not at you, and can capture your attention then I assure you your attention doesn't need to be won.

What do I see this as? As someone being a true friend. You cannot teach someone while worrying about authority. It is not possible to get your example and lessons across when you cannot see the person as an equal and an individual on par with at least yourself in what there is to learn and try. I feel it is necessary to consider someone a potential friend, or even colleague, when teaching or leading in any subject...if you intend to succeed, that is.

As for TFA, the parent was aware their child was being escorted by an adult, so I don't see too much wrong with it since all involved were aware and time limits I'm sure were kept. I've never given such an instance much thought, but I always got along with adults as a kid and teen growing up. Better they learn and discuss and have someone who knows what they're thinking anyways.

\ I taught while in the military, of all places, and I can assure you that even when there I noticed a keen difference when someone talked to vs at.
 
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