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2012-05-21 03:21:14 PM  
Hush. Definitely Hush.
 
2012-05-21 03:34:42 PM  

CygnusDarius: Hush. Definitely Hush.


Indeed.
 
2012-05-21 03:34:48 PM  
Hush was pretty great.

I like that Joss is doing well these days. If for no other reason than it makes some people mad.

/the flipside is that the Browncoats are gonna be derping even more loudly for more Firefly
 
2012-05-21 03:40:59 PM  
JW did Buffy? Hmm. I thought he offed himself after Firefly got cancelled..
 
2012-05-21 03:42:08 PM  
Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.
 
2012-05-21 03:50:03 PM  
What, no Beer Bad?
 
2012-05-21 03:50:57 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Hush was pretty great.

I like that Joss is doing well these days. If for no other reason than it makes some people mad.

/the flipside is that the Browncoats are gonna be derping even more loudly for more Firefly


I think that Firefly is the best thing whedon has ever done, however, thanks to the movie, the show has to die. the most interesting characters are all dead and the mystery is all solved.
 
2012-05-21 03:52:53 PM  
It might not have been the best episode of the series but When She Was Bad was when the show started to hit its stride
 
2012-05-21 04:03:52 PM  

texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.


SECONDED
 
2012-05-21 04:04:25 PM  
I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.
 
2012-05-21 04:06:37 PM  
Thinking about it more, I think the best thing about the Avengers is that Joss, a reasonable feminist, being screenwriter and director somehow convinced the social justice wank crowd that this was going to be some sort of orgasmic 2+ hour orgy of perfect feminism.

And then they all promptly fell upon each other, arguing whether or not it was "ok" for Loki to call Black Widow a "mewling quim".

/it warms me heart, it does
 
2012-05-21 04:07:42 PM  

palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.


I think that was "The Zeppo" right?
 
2012-05-21 04:14:07 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.

I think that was "The Zeppo" right?


Yup. Love that one.
 
2012-05-21 04:22:31 PM  
In before people biatch about cancelling firef-

Nevermind....
 
2012-05-21 04:31:11 PM  
The Dracula episode is also very enjoyable. Dracula making Xander his little biatch boy was good for a lot of laughs.
 
2012-05-21 04:44:36 PM  

palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.


Xander also gets his virginity taken.



mmmmmm Faith
 
2012-05-21 05:26:45 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: The Dracula episode is also very enjoyable. Dracula making Xander his little biatch boy was good for a lot of laughs.


Only to have Xander turn Dracula into his beer buddy in the comics.
 
2012-05-21 05:28:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.

Xander also gets his virginity taken.



mmmmmm Faith


www.exposay.com

Like the fist of an angry god.
 
2012-05-21 05:28:56 PM  
List fails without "Band Candy".
 
2012-05-21 05:29:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.

Xander also gets his virginity taken.



mmmmmm Faith

[www.exposay.com image 400x620]

Like the fist of an angry god.


that might be the DERPIEST picture of her I've ever seen.
 
2012-05-21 06:05:05 PM  

what_now: List fails without "Band Candy".


YES
 
2012-05-21 06:31:45 PM  
"Bored now."
 
2012-05-21 06:57:09 PM  
Never watch "The Body" if you've recently lost a parent.
/Years of street cred gone in a flash of baby-like sobbing.
 
2012-05-21 07:01:32 PM  
Pretty decent list. Few issues, most have been noted already here.

The top should be 1) "Hush" and 2) "Once More With Feeling", but I can definitely see why Joss would hace "Innocence" first as it fits much more with the show and Joss' idea, unlike the others. I really would have liked "Band Candy" and one of the episodes that focuses on Xander being on the list (with "The Zeppo" as a strong contender).
 
2012-05-21 07:02:42 PM  

MagSeven: Never watch "The Body" if you've recently lost a parent.
/Years of street cred gone in a flash of baby-like sobbing.


Oh, thank you for reminding me. I'd been thinking of putting in the 5th season as background. Maybe I should skip to season 6.
 
2012-05-21 07:04:11 PM  

what_now: List fails without "Band Candy".


Only 2 of his 10 were ones he didn't do. Band Candy he didn't do also.
 
2012-05-21 07:06:26 PM  

Merkin Ball: JW did Buffy? Hmm. I thought he offed himself after Firefly got cancelled..


Uh, you do know that "Buffy" preceded "Firefly", right? And that he wrote the screenplay for the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (1992) movie too.
 
2012-05-21 07:07:43 PM  
I watch Pangs every Thanksgiving... it's become a tradition.

Also, besides the notable greats (Hush, OMWF....), Lovers Walk and Tabula Rasa still make me laugh.
 
2012-05-21 07:13:49 PM  
"You don't have to be afraid. Just to please me."
 
2012-05-21 07:20:26 PM  
I'd rather see his top twenty Firefly episode list.
 
2012-05-21 07:22:49 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Hush was pretty great.

I like that Joss is doing well these days. If for no other reason than it makes some people mad.

/the flipside is that the Browncoats are gonna be derping even more loudly for more Firefly


Actually, we're going to derp that Whedon screwed the pooch by murdering any hope of the series continuing via the movie.

So . . . DERP!
 
2012-05-21 07:25:46 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Merkin Ball: JW did Buffy? Hmm. I thought he offed himself after Firefly got cancelled..

Uh, you do know that "Buffy" preceded "Firefly", right? And that he wrote the screenplay for the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (1992) movie too.


Me thinks that original post was sarcasm since everyone know this would turn into a pro-Firefly, anti-firefly thread
 
2012-05-21 07:32:06 PM  

Merkin Ball: JW did Buffy? Hmm. I thought he offed himself after Firefly got cancelled..


He also did this little film called "The Avengers" maybe you've heard of it?
 
2012-05-21 07:34:44 PM  
I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.
 
2012-05-21 07:41:46 PM  
Just finished watching all 7 seasons again over the last few months. Hush is still creepy. The Body is deeply depressing. OMWF is funny but moved the plot immensely (I think I was in heaven.) Dopplegangland, the Zeppo are very solid. But I still have a warm spot for the Mayor and for Principal Snider. Just fantastic characters. But that's the kind of wooly headed liberal thinking that leads to being eaten.
 
2012-05-21 07:43:53 PM  

texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.


Dramatically, I liked it.
Judged strictly in terms of a musical, however it's a mixed bag.
 
2012-05-21 07:50:43 PM  
So whats his 10 fave episodes of Firefly?
 
2012-05-21 07:56:51 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Dopplegangland, the Zeppo are very solid. But I still have a warm spot for the Mayor and for Principal Snider. Just fantastic characters.


Great characters, great story arc. Not any great single episodes that focused on them. As I have said before, as a show there was a big drop after season 3, but most of the best single episodes are from after that point.
 
2012-05-21 07:59:42 PM  

Shostie: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.

I think that was "The Zeppo" right?

Yup. Love that one.


I was watching Boogie Nights the other night for the first time in a while, and it was driving me nuts that I couldn't place the guy who gets Dirk to rub one out for him and then attacks him, until I realized it was the lead zombie from Zeppo (Channon Roe).
 
2012-05-21 08:03:31 PM  

MagSeven: Never watch "The Body" if you've recently lost a parent.


Every time Anya delivers her speech. Every. Damn. TIme.

Anya: "Are they gonna cut the body open?"
Willow: "Oh my God! Would you just... stop talking? Just... shut your mouth! Please!"
Anya: "What am I doing?"
Willow: "How can you act like that?"
Anya: "Am I supposed to be changing my clothes a lot? Is that the helpful thing to do?"
Xander: "Guys-"
Willow: "The way you behave-"
Anya: "Nobody will tell me."
Willow: "Because it's not okay for you to be asking these things!"
Anya (crying): "But I don't understand! I don't understand how this all happens. How we go through this. I mean, I knew her, and then she's, there's just a body, and I don't understand why she just can't get back in it and not be dead anymore! It's stupid! It's mortal and stupid! And, and Xander's crying and not talking, and, and I was having fruit punch, and I thought, well Joyce will never have any more fruit punch, ever, and she'll never have eggs, or yawn or brush her hair, not ever, and no one will explain to me why. (She puts her hand over her face, crying.)"
Willow (after a long pause): "We don't know... how it works... why."
 
Skr
2012-05-21 08:04:56 PM  
♫(Buffy)
I don't want to b - e
Going through the motions,
Losing all my drive.
I can't even see
If this is really me
And I just want to b - e a - live.♪
 
2012-05-21 08:07:00 PM  

palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.


"The Zeppo." Definitely one of the best episodes of the entire series. Up to that point Xander was always kind of a joke, and while that episode didn't reveal him to be a hidden badass (he's still kind of a chump throughout it), you do learn that he has some seriously well-hidden depths. "I like the quiet," indeed.

As for Joss's picks, there are some good ones in there, but wtf is "Conversations With Dead People" doing in there? That episode was awful. It might have been merely bad if they had managed to get Amber Benson to come back for Willow's segment, but when they couldn't get her to return, they should have scrapped the whole concept. Trying to replace Tara with Azura Skye's one-episode throwaway character Cassie was a horrible idea, and the end result was to take a mastubatory, pretentious episode and add a heaping dose of "WTF Am I Watching?" to it. Not only was that a shiat episode, it was the lowest point of the season - which is saying something, because Season 7 was pretty much 100% crap (until Faith showed up).

I would definitely have put "Bad Girls/Consequences" on that list above "Conversations With Dead People." Also "Tough Love," if only for this exchange:

Glory: Bag of tricks?
Willow: Bag of knives!
 
2012-05-21 08:08:36 PM  

Merkin Ball: JW did Buffy? Hmm. I thought he offed himself after Firefly got cancelled..


Am I going to have to ignore you?
 
2012-05-21 08:09:37 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: What, no Beer Bad?


No baby, they're looking for the 10 best episodes; not the 10 worst episodes.
 
2012-05-21 08:09:59 PM  
The Zeppo is probably my favorite that isn't on the list. Another contender is whichever episode had the flashbacks that chronicled Spike's life (I can't remember the title). 1970's Billy Idol Spike with the eye makeup battling the Disco Blaxploitation Slayer (from which he nabbed his signature leather trenchcoat from her corpse). After being humiliated, Spike shows up with a friggin' shotgun, ready to blow Buffy away despite the chip in his head. Finds her crying, puts down the shotgun, and sits next to her on the porch to comfort her. Some good pathos, there.
 
2012-05-21 08:12:09 PM  
Damn, just reading that made me teary eyed. Thanks a lot.

My favorite is probably OMWF, just because every time I do something "persevere-y" I sing, "I walked through the fire". I know, major dork.
 
2012-05-21 08:16:11 PM  
Also, I think it was "Potential"; Season 7: the one wherein all the worlds' vampire slayers' are called at once.

I can't argue with any of the other choices though. Well, except Beer Bad.
 
2012-05-21 08:17:08 PM  
Once More with Feeling was horrible. The concept was amusing, but only Giles and Tara could sing their way out of a wet paper bag.

The Gift was not only a great episode, but was a better series finale than the one from season 7.
 
2012-05-21 08:22:12 PM  

pute kisses like a man: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Hush was pretty great.

I like that Joss is doing well these days. If for no other reason than it makes some people mad.

/the flipside is that the Browncoats are gonna be derping even more loudly for more Firefly

I think that Firefly is the best thing whedon has ever done, however, thanks to the movie, the show has to die. the most interesting characters are all dead and the mystery is all solved.


The show is dead. It was a ratings failure, and the movie was a bomb. Browncoats need to be happy with the fact that they got a damn movie in the first place, and continuing comics. You'll see Buffy back before you see anything Firefly.
 
2012-05-21 08:22:25 PM  
The Zeppo should definitely be up there. It was a great Xander episode.

Another favorite of mine, was season 2's "Halloween". It's the one where they all become their Halloween costumes. Willow became a slutty looking ghost time and Xander became a kick ass soldier. It was great role reversal.
upload.wikimedia.org

Giles - "And-and your-your costume?"
Willow - "I'm a ghost."
Giles - "Yes. Um, a-a - the ghost of what, exactly?"
 
2012-05-21 08:28:10 PM  

Lunaville: Also, I think it was "Potential"; Season 7: the one wherein all the worlds' vampire slayers' are called at once.


I think you mean "Chosen," the series finale. "Potential" is the episode where Willow casts a spell to seek out potential slayers and everyone thinks Dawn is a potential slayer.
 
2012-05-21 08:41:31 PM  
It could be witches,
Some evil witches,
But that's ridiculous 'cause witches they were persecuted Wicca good and love the Earth and women power I'll be over here

/Girlfriend and I sing I'll Never Tell as a duet at karaoke - billing ourselves as Ham 'n Cheese
 
2012-05-21 08:46:57 PM  
Replace Conversations with Dead People with the two parter where Faith and Buffy switch bodies and I completely agree.
 
2012-05-21 08:48:36 PM  

concotelli: The Zeppo should definitely be up there. It was a great Xander episode.

Another favorite of mine, was season 2's "Halloween". It's the one where they all become their Halloween costumes. Willow became a slutty looking ghost time and Xander became a kick ass soldier. It was great role reversal.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x188]

Giles - "And-and your-your costume?"
Willow - "I'm a ghost."
Giles - "Yes. Um, a-a - the ghost of what, exactly?"


I was gonna throw my vote behind that one, too.
 
2012-05-21 08:50:04 PM  
Not sure I make a satisfying top ten list but "Graduation Day" would be on it.

concotelli: The Zeppo should definitely be up there. It was a great Xander episode.

Another favorite of mine, was season 2's "Halloween". It's the one where they all become their Halloween costumes. Willow became a slutty looking ghost time and Xander became a kick ass soldier. It was great role reversal.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x188]

Giles - "And-and your-your costume?"
Willow - "I'm a ghost."
Giles - "Yes. Um, a-a - the ghost of what, exactly?"


Yes, Absolutely!
It was the first episode I ever watched.
The humor and overall tone of the show made me an instant fan.

/Cordelia in catsuit also made me an instant Charisma Carpenter fan
 
2012-05-21 08:52:00 PM  

Surool: Once More with Feeling was horrible. The concept was amusing, but only Giles and Tara could sing their way out of a wet paper bag.


Which is half the fun of the episode. If it were a Broadway level performance it just wouldn't have been right. They were normal people suddenly thrust into a musical. The lyrics were great, and Xander admitting it was him (and Sweet passing on claiming Xander as his bride) was epic.
 
2012-05-21 08:54:27 PM  

what_now: List fails without "Band Candy".


any episode with Ethan Rayne counts as a favorite for me.
 
2012-05-21 08:56:43 PM  

JosephFinn: MagSeven: Never watch "The Body" if you've recently lost a parent.

Every time Anya delivers her speech. Every. Damn. TIme.

Anya: "Are they gonna cut the body open?"
Willow: "Oh my God! Would you just... stop talking? Just... shut your mouth! Please!"
Anya: "What am I doing?"
Willow: "How can you act like that?"
Anya: "Am I supposed to be changing my clothes a lot? Is that the helpful thing to do?"
Xander: "Guys-"
Willow: "The way you behave-"
Anya: "Nobody will tell me."
Willow: "Because it's not okay for you to be asking these things!"
Anya (crying): "But I don't understand! I don't understand how this all happens. How we go through this. I mean, I knew her, and then she's, there's just a body, and I don't understand why she just can't get back in it and not be dead anymore! It's stupid! It's mortal and stupid! And, and Xander's crying and not talking, and, and I was having fruit punch, and I thought, well Joyce will never have any more fruit punch, ever, and she'll never have eggs, or yawn or brush her hair, not ever, and no one will explain to me why. (She puts her hand over her face, crying.)"
Willow (after a long pause): "We don't know... how it works... why."


Yes, that scene gets me every time. It was one of those "whoa" moments for me when I saw it. I think that Emma Caufield did an excellent job in that scene.

Here is is. Link

So much awesome.
 
2012-05-21 08:57:04 PM  

dywed88: Surool: Once More with Feeling was horrible. The concept was amusing, but only Giles and Tara could sing their way out of a wet paper bag.

Which is half the fun of the episode. If it were a Broadway level performance it just wouldn't have been right. They were normal people suddenly thrust into a musical. The lyrics were great, and Xander admitting it was him (and Sweet passing on claiming Xander as his bride) was epic.


You can't rationalize the sh*tty music and sh*tty performances as being intentional. It wasn't. Joss did his best to hide what he could. The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.
 
2012-05-21 09:00:34 PM  

Surool: The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.


speak for yourself, because you sure as hell aren't speaking for me.
 
2012-05-21 09:07:22 PM  

SilentStrider: Surool: The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.

speak for yourself, because you sure as hell aren't speaking for me.


You were there for the filming? You are lucky... or you didn't understand what "the fun they had filming it" means.
 
2012-05-21 09:13:59 PM  
Surool
You can't rationalize the sh*tty music and sh*tty performances as being intentional.

What episode were you watching?
 
2012-05-21 09:16:16 PM  

Surool: SilentStrider: Surool: The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.

speak for yourself, because you sure as hell aren't speaking for me.

You were there for the filming? You are lucky... or you didn't understand what "the fun they had filming it" means.


But you're implying that none of the viewers liked it. It's a fan favorite, and many other shows attempted to do 'musical' episodes afterward (terribly, I might add).

And yeah, few of the cast were virtuosos, but, big deal. The in-universe story is that a demon was making everyone sing and dance. He didn't guarantee that he would make everyone sing on-key, or even well. :)
 
2012-05-21 09:16:40 PM  
That is a really good list. The only different choice I might make is to substitute the season 2's finale for season 5's. "Once More with Feeling" is unquestionably my favorite episode of BVtS. I've watched it probably dozens of times.

On the other hand, "The Body" may be one of the finest episodes of an hourlong drama ever produced.
 
2012-05-21 09:20:42 PM  
The Body is #1 and Restless is #2. Once More With Feeling was utter masturbatory shiat and Hush had such potential but the episode sucked.
 
2012-05-21 09:24:20 PM  

texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.


Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes.
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies. Bunnies. It must be bunnies!
 
2012-05-21 09:25:06 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: But you're implying that none of the viewers liked it.


No, I am implying the viewers were not there for the filming... which we weren't. I know you hate to see somebody dislike one of your favorite episodes, but don't extrapolate my comments to mean something I did not say.

If you have seen any "behind the scenes" featurettes, you know there is a ton of stuff that happens during the filming of shows and movies that we don't see in the final product. That is the stuff that the Film/TV Show makers experience that the audience does not.
 
2012-05-21 09:29:50 PM  

Surool: Samwise Gamgee: But you're implying that none of the viewers liked it.

No, I am implying the viewers were not there for the filming... which we weren't. I know you hate to see somebody dislike one of your favorite episodes, but don't extrapolate my comments to mean something I did not say.


Surool: Once More with Feeling was horrible. The concept was amusing, but only Giles and Tara could sing their way out of a wet paper bag.

Surool: You can't rationalize the sh*tty music and sh*tty performances as being intentional. It wasn't. Joss did his best to hide what he could. The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.

Well, forgive me if I'm misconstruing your point, but it sure looks like you're saying that the only reason he thinks it's a favorite is because it was fun to make, not because it was actually good. Then I said some stuff to the contrary, about how lots of other people liked it too.. If I'm somehow missing your point, you should attempt to be more clear, because I've read what you said about four times now, and I don't know how else to interpret it.
 
2012-05-21 09:30:57 PM  
Not a bad list overall, but I never did like the episode "Restless". It always felt like it was being weird just for weirdness's sake.

"Innocence" and "Prophecy Girl" and were ok, but didn't really stand out. "Conversations with Dead People" was ok, but would have been better and had more impact had they been able to get Tara to come back to do the conversation with Willow.

I don't care what you folks say, I liked "Beer Bad", if only for cave girl Buffy smacking dude on the head near the end.

As others have mentioned "The Zeppo" was a pretty good one that didn't make the list as well as the Thanksgiving one where Xander gets Syphillis and smallpox and Spike is tied to a chair. I've also always liked "Passion", where Angelus is screwing with everyone and kills Jenny and leaves the elaborate setup for Giles to walk into. It just shows what a farked up bastard Angelus is. I also liked the whole several episode arc where Willow goes bad because of Tara's death.

"The Body" and "Hush" are just flat out amazing and great TV. If you don't have to fight back tears at some point during "The Body" you just aren't human. I always get the Spike's song and "Walk through the Fire" stuck in my head from "OMWF" and it threw a hell of a whammy at the Scoobie Gang.
 
2012-05-21 09:36:05 PM  
concotelli
The Zeppo should definitely be up there. It was a great Xander episode.

Another favorite of mine, was season 2's "Halloween". It's the one where they all become their Halloween costumes. Willow became a slutty looking ghost time and Xander became a kick ass soldier.

Or a "man with a musket". Nice side-effect: how they used that later a couple of times as a handy excuse for Xander knowing or rather "remebering" military stuff.
Oh, and for some reason or other I uploaded this five years ago and it was still on imageshack:

www.clusterfake.net



fusillade762
I was gonna throw my vote behind that one, too.


The Halloween episodes all seem to have at least one rather funny-to-silly scene in them.
Besides that costume episode
there's "Fear Itself" (*stomp*),
the one where Buffy catches Dawn making out with a vampire ("can we just fight?")
and the one in the last season where all the girls go crazy about "Him" has some hilarious dialogs and scenes towards the end (e.g. "Are you going to use magic to turn him into a girl?"*lightbulb*).

I don't think I've seen the later Halloween episodes more than once - except for clips of those scenes.
 
2012-05-21 09:43:34 PM  

Surool: You can't rationalize the sh*tty music and sh*tty performances as being intentional. It wasn't. Joss did his best to hide what he could. The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.


It doesn't matter if it was intended or just worked out that way. But a perfect Broadway quality performance would have been terrible because it would have just clashed with what the plot was, random people being thrust into a musical.

The music was good, lyrics were excellent, and the story pulled off amazingly well. I can listen to some average signing voices for that. It isn't like they sounded like a group of cats being strangled.
 
2012-05-21 09:44:28 PM  
The Body was the first episode of Buffy that I ever saw, and it was right after another close friend of mine had passed on. After it was over, I turned off the TV and sat in the dark for a very long time.

Hush was obviously inspired by the movie Dark City, but it was wonderfully scary and as well-crafted as one of the old episodes of Thriller with Boris Karloff.

Once More, with Feeling was another toadstrangler. If I had been pulled out of Heaven, I'd probably do something to get myself sent to the hot place.
 
2012-05-21 09:46:47 PM  

pute kisses like a man: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Hush was pretty great.

I like that Joss is doing well these days. If for no other reason than it makes some people mad.

/the flipside is that the Browncoats are gonna be derping even more loudly for more Firefly

I think that Firefly is the best thing whedon has ever done, however, thanks to the movie, the show has to die. the most interesting characters are all dead and the mystery is all solved.


While bringing back Firefly is not going to happen and would suck if it did, there's enough material there for a spin off. There's a whole bunch of thieves and bandits flying around 'the verse that stories could be written about. That won't happen either though.
 
2012-05-21 09:49:28 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: If I'm somehow missing your point, you should attempt to be more clear, because I've read what you said about four times now, and I don't know how else to interpret it.


I chalk it up to your inability to separate a comment about Joss' experience while filming (being different from the viewer's experience)... and the posts I made about my disliking that episode.
 
2012-05-21 09:52:09 PM  
concotelli:
Another favorite of mine, was season 2's "Halloween". It's the one where they all become their Halloween costumes. Willow became a slutty looking ghost time and Xander became a kick ass soldier. It was great role reversal.

Except they way overused the soldier thing later. Like somehow it gave him persisting, intimate knowledge of where the weapons lockers were on the nearby base. Though that did lead to this fantastic scene:

www.thiel-a-vision.com

"What's that?"
* Angelus and Dru leap for cover *

Samwise Gamgee:
1970's Billy Idol Spike with the eye makeup battling the Disco Blaxploitation Slayer

Spike vs. Nikki was indeed an epic battle. And oh so relevant later on.
 
2012-05-21 09:53:24 PM  
Favorite quote from Halloween,

Spike: Well, this is just... neat.
 
2012-05-21 09:55:11 PM  

No Such Agency: Except they way overused the soldier thing later. Like somehow it gave him persisting, intimate knowledge of where the weapons lockers were on the nearby base. Though that did lead to this fantastic scene:


The scene where they get the rocket launcher is almost as good

Cordelia: Well, does looking at guns make you wanna have sex?
Xander: I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.
 
2012-05-21 09:59:20 PM  

Surool: Favorite quote from Halloween,

Spike: Well, this is just... neat.


My favorite quotes from the "Fear Itself" Halloween episode.

Xander: Who's a little fear demon? Come on. Who's a little fear demon?
Giles: Don't taunt the fear demon.
Xander: Why? Can he hurt me?
Giles: No, it's just tacky.
 
2012-05-21 10:01:05 PM  

dywed88: No Such Agency: Except they way overused the soldier thing later. Like somehow it gave him persisting, intimate knowledge of where the weapons lockers were on the nearby base. Though that did lead to this fantastic scene:

The scene where they get the rocket launcher is almost as good

Cordelia: Well, does looking at guns make you wanna have sex?
Xander: I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.


The soldier thing only lasted for about six months though, so it wasn't that much bullshiat. I heard originally they were going to have him join the Initiative through it, but then they rightly realized the that was dumb.
 
2012-05-21 10:08:04 PM  
Love me some Halloween.

What I loved about Buffy was how they would take so much each season building up the big bad and giving us hints and clues about how it would be destroyed.
 
2012-05-21 10:20:18 PM  

Surool: Samwise Gamgee: If I'm somehow missing your point, you should attempt to be more clear, because I've read what you said about four times now, and I don't know how else to interpret it.

I chalk it up to your inability to separate a comment about Joss' experience while filming (being different from the viewer's experience)... and the posts I made about my disliking that episode.


Oh, bullshiat. You're the only one bringing up "Joss' experience while filming being different from the viewer's experience", as if that somehow suggests a disconnect between his appreciation of the episode and the viewer's. Most people adore that episode. You don't, for whatever reason. Therefore, you're trying to make some bizarre point that Joss only included it on his list because he enjoyed making it. This is speculative, and, even if true, irrelevant. It's a fan favorite. Is it impossible to consider that Joss likes the end result, despite how much fun he had producing it? Maybe he just... ya know... likes what ended up on film?
 
2012-05-21 10:27:31 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: You're the only one bringing up "Joss' experience while filming being different from the viewer's experience", as if that somehow suggests a disconnect between his appreciation of the episode and the viewer's. Most people adore that episode. You don't, for whatever reason. Therefore, you're trying to make some bizarre point that Joss only included it on his list because he enjoyed making it. This is speculative, and, even if true, irrelevant. It's a fan favorite. Is it impossible to consider that Joss likes the end result, despite how much fun he had producing it? Maybe he just... ya know... likes what ended up on film?


No, I bring it up to suggest that his filming experience influenced his picks for his favorites list... and it did. The rest is you furiously trying to read a bunch of stuff into my comment that wasn't there... especially since you once again coupled my dislike of the episode to the comment about the filming experience.

Get over it. Joss won't f*ck you.
 
2012-05-21 10:39:05 PM  
Was there every anything creepier on TV than Drusilla?
 
2012-05-21 10:39:32 PM  
"Conversations With Dead People" wasn't the first appearance of The First. That was "Amends".
 
2012-05-21 10:50:20 PM  
Came to make sure I wasn't the only one crying like a little biatch with a skinned knee at Joyce.
 
2012-05-21 10:52:55 PM  

Ambitwistor: "Conversations With Dead People" wasn't the first appearance of The First. That was "Amends".


The First and therefore least effective evil.
 
2012-05-21 10:56:16 PM  
I'm a bit surprised "Selfless" wasn't on the list. Thought he had singled that one out in a few other interviews.

Glad to see love for "Pangs." James Marsters is definitely responsible for the delivery of most of the series' best lines.

/"a BEAR! You made a BEAR!"
//"Undo it! Undo it!"
 
2012-05-21 11:04:14 PM  

Surool:

No, I bring it up to suggest that his filming experience influenced his picks for his favorites list... and it did.


And you're stating this in order to reinforce your point that it wasn't actually good, but only listed because he enjoyed making it... which is contrary to the opinions of many. You're obviously taking exception with his list in this regard, otherwise, why would you bother to post?

The rest is you furiously trying to read a bunch of stuff into my comment that wasn't there... especially since you once again coupled my dislike of the episode to the comment about the filming experience.

Your dislike of the episode is why you bothered to comment in the first place, and you obviously have tried to make the assertion that the only reason it's on the list is because Joss enjoyed making it, not because anyone would actually like the episode on its own merits. You've decided that it's not a good episode, so you've created a fiction about Whedon's motives to explain his placement of the episode among his favorites, because you can't imagine that anyone would actually just farking like it. You're trying to shape reality/rewrite history around your own preferences, and that's farking weird, dude. It was a good episode. The singing wasn't great, but almost every viewer was able to get past that and enjoy the premise - except you, and you're mad as hell about it.

Get over it. Joss won't f*ck you.

Yeah, there it is. Let your troll flag fly, baby. It only took you, like, five posts!

Now you've asserted that someone who liked 'Once More Than Feeling' only does so because they want to fark Joss Whedon. You're getting wronger and dumber with each statement.
 
2012-05-21 11:05:29 PM  
Is is just me, or does TFA not provide any source indicating how they know this list is Whedon's ranking?
 
2012-05-21 11:08:04 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.

SECONDED


I will walk through the fire
 
2012-05-21 11:12:56 PM  
I read somewhere that Joss forced himself to learn how to read / write music and play piano so he could write "Once More with Feeling".

So, hey, you made a musical and couldn't even play before?

I'd say that's Pretty Farking Badass.
 
2012-05-21 11:18:04 PM  
Hmmm, I'd agree with half the list, there's a few that are okay, but then Conversations with Dead People is just an odd choice in my opinion. That is on my least favorite episodes list. It's so terribly boring, I can never make it through that episode when I re-watch the show. Amends is by far my least favorite though, but CWDP is the runner up for sure.

I'm surprised none of the Buffy Bot episodes are on there, I love those.

My favorites are:
Halloween
What's My Line Part 1 & 2
Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered
Becoming Part 1 & 2
Band Candy
The Wish
Dopplegangland
Earshot
Fear Itself
Beer Bad (I know it's bad, but in a good way)
Pangs
Something Blue
Hush
A New Man
Superstar
I was Made to Love You
The Body
Intervention
The Gift
Bargaining Part 1 & 2
Life Serial
Once More With Feeling
Tabula Rasa
Smashed
Wrecked
Gone
Older and Far Away
Normal Again
Chosen
 
2012-05-21 11:25:06 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: Yeah, there it is. Let your troll flag fly, baby. It only took you, like, five posts!

Now you've asserted that someone who liked 'Once More Than Feeling' only does so because they want to fark Joss Whedon. You're getting wronger and dumber with each statement.


I insinuated you were "white knighting" by using the standardized catchphrase of: "____ won't f*ck you". It's a typical joke... only it is lost on the thick-headed. I did this mostly in frustration since you kept trying to make more out of my posts than was actually there. I notice this time, you ignored the actual body of my post to express you indignation at the one line at the end.

You can't help but respond even after you decided I was trolling. I wish I had been trolling because I could claim great success. Alas, I meant everything I said about that episode. I think it blows.
 
2012-05-21 11:26:08 PM  
Ah yes, Puffy the Umpire Spayer.
Never did figure what she had against baseball.
 
2012-05-21 11:32:55 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Is is just me, or does TFA not provide any source indicating how they know this list is Whedon's ranking?


Here's the original EW article:

Joss Whedon picks his 'Buffy' Top 10 -- What are YOUR FAVORITES?

Click through to check out Whedon's picks.
Joss Whedon's Buffy Top 10*


Bonus: NOT a slideshow.
 
2012-05-21 11:46:26 PM  

Surool: Samwise Gamgee: Yeah, there it is. Let your troll flag fly, baby. It only took you, like, five posts!

Now you've asserted that someone who liked 'Once More Than Feeling' only does so because they want to fark Joss Whedon. You're getting wronger and dumber with each statement.

I insinuated you were "white knighting" by using the standardized catchphrase of: "____ won't f*ck you". It's a typical joke... only it is lost on the thick-headed. I did this mostly in frustration since you kept trying to make more out of my posts than was actually there.


Yeah, you did that to draw attention away from your flawed assertion that Whedon only picked an episode you didn't like because of reasons you've invented. It was a dumb thing to say, and when confronted you went headlong into Internet Slapfight Mode rather than admit that you must *might* be in the minority about that one episode.

It's really weird, because if you had just said you didn't like it, that would have been fine. So, it's not for everyone... whatever. But you had to create some fictional world in which it so possibly *can't* be good, that the creator could ONLY like it because it was fun to produce. You're so entrenched in your viewpoint that you have to fictionalize events to justify it.

That's bizarre, dude. You're warping interpretation of reality over something as minor as an episode of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'.
 
2012-05-22 12:05:11 AM  

Samwise Gamgee: Surool: Samwise Gamgee: Yeah, there it is. Let your troll flag fly, baby. It only took you, like, five posts!

Now you've asserted that someone who liked 'Once More Than Feeling' only does so because they want to fark Joss Whedon. You're getting wronger and dumber with each statement.

I insinuated you were "white knighting" by using the standardized catchphrase of: "____ won't f*ck you". It's a typical joke... only it is lost on the thick-headed. I did this mostly in frustration since you kept trying to make more out of my posts than was actually there.

Yeah, you did that to draw attention away from your flawed assertion that Whedon only picked an episode you didn't like because of reasons you've invented. It was a dumb thing to say, and when confronted you went headlong into Internet Slapfight Mode rather than admit that you must *might* be in the minority about that one episode.


Yeah, I kinda used one post to only respond to your one post. Then you say I was the one trying to divert attention. The list is specifically about Joss Whedon's picks for favorite episodes, and his personal experience influenced his choices. You think that is false?

It's really weird, because if you had just said you didn't like it, that would have been fine. So, it's not for everyone... whatever. But you had to create some fictional world in which it so possibly *can't* be good, that the creator could ONLY like it because it was fun to produce. You're so entrenched in your viewpoint that you have to fictionalize events to justify it.

I am just laughing at you because I did just say I didn't like it. That underlined section isn't at all what I said, and nothing I do to clarify, including directly restating my point to get through that neutron star-density skull of yours will get you to quit fictionalizing what I was saying. Pretty ironic in light of your own deluded accusations.

That's bizarre, dude. You're warping interpretation of reality over something as minor as an episode of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'.

I'm sorry my dislike of the episode has so wounded your soul. Someday though...

You'll get over it.

Thanks for crediting me with being able to warp all of reality solely because I didn't like an episode that you like.
 
2012-05-22 12:11:23 AM  

Surool: Samwise Gamgee: Surool: Samwise Gamgee: Yeah, there it is. Let your troll flag fly, baby. It only took you, like, five posts!

Now you've asserted that someone who liked 'Once More Than Feeling' only does so because they want to fark Joss Whedon. You're getting wronger and dumber with each statement.

I insinuated you were "white knighting" by using the standardized catchphrase of: "____ won't f*ck you". It's a typical joke... only it is lost on the thick-headed. I did this mostly in frustration since you kept trying to make more out of my posts than was actually there.

Yeah, you did that to draw attention away from your flawed assertion that Whedon only picked an episode you didn't like because of reasons you've invented. It was a dumb thing to say, and when confronted you went headlong into Internet Slapfight Mode rather than admit that you must *might* be in the minority about that one episode.

Yeah, I kinda used one post to only respond to your one post. Then you say I was the one trying to divert attention. The list is specifically about Joss Whedon's picks for favorite episodes, and his personal experience influenced his choices. You think that is false?

It's really weird, because if you had just said you didn't like it, that would have been fine. So, it's not for everyone... whatever. But you had to create some fictional world in which it so possibly *can't* be good, that the creator could ONLY like it because it was fun to produce. You're so entrenched in your viewpoint that you have to fictionalize events to justify it.

I am just laughing at you because I did just say I didn't like it. That underlined section isn't at all what I said, and nothing I do to clarify, including directly restating my point to get through that neutron star-density skull of yours will get you to quit fictionalizing what I was saying. Pretty ironic in light of your own deluded accusations.

That's bizarre, dude. You're warping interpretation of reality over something as minor as ...


Just get a room already you two.
 
2012-05-22 12:11:48 AM  
Evil Willow can bite me any time she wants.
 
2012-05-22 12:16:31 AM  

Rickj: JosephFinn: MagSeven: Never watch "The Body" if you've recently lost a parent.

Every time Anya delivers her speech. Every. Damn. TIme.

Anya: "Are they gonna cut the body open?"
Willow: "Oh my God! Would you just... stop talking? Just... shut your mouth! Please!"
Anya: "What am I doing?"
Willow: "How can you act like that?"
Anya: "Am I supposed to be changing my clothes a lot? Is that the helpful thing to do?"
Xander: "Guys-"
Willow: "The way you behave-"
Anya: "Nobody will tell me."
Willow: "Because it's not okay for you to be asking these things!"
Anya (crying): "But I don't understand! I don't understand how this all happens. How we go through this. I mean, I knew her, and then she's, there's just a body, and I don't understand why she just can't get back in it and not be dead anymore! It's stupid! It's mortal and stupid! And, and Xander's crying and not talking, and, and I was having fruit punch, and I thought, well Joyce will never have any more fruit punch, ever, and she'll never have eggs, or yawn or brush her hair, not ever, and no one will explain to me why. (She puts her hand over her face, crying.)"
Willow (after a long pause): "We don't know... how it works... why."

Yes, that scene gets me every time. It was one of those "whoa" moments for me when I saw it. I think that Emma Caufield did an excellent job in that scene.

Here is is. Link

So much awesome.


Anya was my favorite character and I was not thrilled when she and Xander did not get married (but accepted Xander's reason), but was seriously pissed that they killed her and just glossed over that moment.
 
2012-05-22 12:16:50 AM  

dajoro: Just get a room already you two.


He decided I was a troll ages ago... but can't help responding.
 
2012-05-22 12:17:17 AM  

Harry_Seldon: texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes.
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies. Bunnies. It must be bunnies!


Or maybe midgets.

Strangely, that last line has been missing from every repeat of this episode I've seen recently.
.
Farking political correctness
 
2012-05-22 12:31:24 AM  
Angel, the series, sucks.

Someone had to say it.
 
2012-05-22 12:34:40 AM  
I read this already. A week ago. ON FACEBOOK.

Seriously, Fark, y u so slow?
 
2012-05-22 12:40:23 AM  
Also, those are all my faves pretty much, sans all the Halloween ones. And The Zeppo. And maybe a few others.

I can go years without seeing an episode, but when I come across one on TV or pick up my DVDs for some obscure reason, I can always pinpoint the episodes by name, the season, the continuity of the current story lines, etc, like I was I still in high school. Only show I *really* grew up with. I watched it's entirety every night it aired. Oooooh the memories of talking to girlfriends on the phone during commercial breaks or crying by myself, watching alone in my room for the heavy eps....

/awww memories
 
2012-05-22 12:50:40 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: palladiate: I'm surprised the one where Xander fights the zombie gang alone wasn't on there. That episode definitely made me happier than any other.

Xander also gets his virginity taken.



mmmmmm Faith


"I can't believe I just had sex."

Perfectly delivered.
 
2012-05-22 12:56:25 AM  

Rickj: JosephFinn: MagSeven: Never watch "The Body" if you've recently lost a parent.

Every time Anya delivers her speech. Every. Damn. TIme.

Anya: "Are they gonna cut the body open?"
Willow: "Oh my God! Would you just... stop talking? Just... shut your mouth! Please!"
Anya: "What am I doing?"
Willow: "How can you act like that?"
Anya: "Am I supposed to be changing my clothes a lot? Is that the helpful thing to do?"
Xander: "Guys-"
Willow: "The way you behave-"
Anya: "Nobody will tell me."
Willow: "Because it's not okay for you to be asking these things!"
Anya (crying): "But I don't understand! I don't understand how this all happens. How we go through this. I mean, I knew her, and then she's, there's just a body, and I don't understand why she just can't get back in it and not be dead anymore! It's stupid! It's mortal and stupid! And, and Xander's crying and not talking, and, and I was having fruit punch, and I thought, well Joyce will never have any more fruit punch, ever, and she'll never have eggs, or yawn or brush her hair, not ever, and no one will explain to me why. (She puts her hand over her face, crying.)"
Willow (after a long pause): "We don't know... how it works... why."

Yes, that scene gets me every time. It was one of those "whoa" moments for me when I saw it. I think that Emma Caufield did an excellent job in that scene.

Here is is. Link

So much awesome.


Even reading that made me burst into tears.
 
2012-05-22 02:37:12 AM  

I read fark for the pics: Angel, the series, sucks.

Someone had to say it.


i.imgur.com

Wrong.
 
2012-05-22 02:46:57 AM  
I love Firefly and enjoyed Dollhouse. I watched the first 6 or so episodes of Buffy and just don't see the appeal. Does it get better, or is it just not for me?
 
2012-05-22 02:56:27 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Was there every anything creepier on TV than Drusilla?


www.welshgrl2.com

Mmmm...loves me some Drusilla & Darla
 
2012-05-22 02:56:38 AM  

Inaditch: I love Firefly and enjoyed Dollhouse. I watched the first 6 or so episodes of Buffy and just don't see the appeal. Does it get better, or is it just not for me?


I watched the first few eps of Buffy when it first aired and I couldn't stand it. Then, maybe season 5 or 6 friends of mine couldn't stop talking about it so I started again, and it was really rather good. Going back to season 1, I still think it wasn't that great. I'd skim Season 1 just for back story then hit Season 2. Or you could just watch "Hush". If you don't like that you probably won't like the series.

Also, glad to see "The Body" is getting some love. That was a fantastic episode.
 
2012-05-22 03:11:57 AM  

Snapper Carr: I read fark for the pics: Angel, the series, sucks.

Someone had to say it.

[i.imgur.com image 449x471]

Wrong.


Who doesn't like the wee little puppet man?

Also, Angel the series made Cordelia one of the best Buffyverse characters.
 
2012-05-22 03:27:35 AM  

Snapper Carr: I read fark for the pics: Angel, the series, sucks.

Someone had to say it.

[i.imgur.com image 449x471]

Wrong.


Seconded. Not sure if trolling.

The last couple seasons of Angel are better than anything on Buffy, imo.
 
2012-05-22 03:49:52 AM  

Inaditch: I love Firefly and enjoyed Dollhouse. I watched the first 6 or so episodes of Buffy and just don't see the appeal. Does it get better, or is it just not for me?


It gets a lot better, pretty fast. The second half of the first season through the end of the third season is pretty much when the show was at its apex.
 
2012-05-22 04:02:56 AM  
fusillade762
The last couple seasons of Angel are better than anything on Buffy, imo.


If you cut out anything related to Connor and the forced love triangles..


Toriko
Inaditch:
I love Firefly and enjoyed Dollhouse. I watched the first 6 or so episodes of Buffy and just don't see the appeal. Does it get better, or is it just not for me?

[..]I'd skim Season 1 just for back story


That would probably mean half the episodes:

#1&2 (who's who)
#5 (who's the Annoying One; also, I like the scene where Buffy meets Giles and Owen in the library because there are almost no cuts)
#7 (who's Angel)
#8 (didn't care for that one, but it introduces Jenny Calendar and Giles meets Angel)
#12 (season finale)

Maybe #10 because there's a bit of character development for Cordelia


/I actually like season 1
 
2012-05-22 04:40:39 AM  

The Voice of Doom: fusillade762
The last couple seasons of Angel are better than anything on Buffy, imo.

If you cut out anything related to Connor and the forced love triangles..


Toriko
Inaditch: I love Firefly and enjoyed Dollhouse. I watched the first 6 or so episodes of Buffy and just don't see the appeal. Does it get better, or is it just not for me?

[..]I'd skim Season 1 just for back story

That would probably mean half the episodes:

#1&2 (who's who)
#5 (who's the Annoying One; also, I like the scene where Buffy meets Giles and Owen in the library because there are almost no cuts)
#7 (who's Angel)
#8 (didn't care for that one, but it introduces Jenny Calendar and Giles meets Angel)
#12 (season finale)

Maybe #10 because there's a bit of character development for Cordelia


/I actually like season 1


I do as well, especially the episode called Witch. It was also one of the few non-vampire episodes.
 
2012-05-22 04:58:59 AM  
I think that since many of my favorite characters (Spike, Oz, Anya, heck even Faith) don't really become involved in the cast until later seasons I tend to skim Season 1 in re-watches. Maybe I need to take my fan blinders off and re-watch again.
 
2012-05-22 05:09:09 AM  

Toriko: I think that since many of my favorite characters (Spike, Oz, Anya, heck even Faith) don't really become involved in the cast until later seasons I tend to skim Season 1 in re-watches. Maybe I need to take my fan blinders off and re-watch again.


If you haven't given it a watch already, try the first season episode I referenced in my previous comment, "Witch".
 
2012-05-22 06:27:17 AM  

Snapper Carr: I read fark for the pics: Angel, the series, sucks.

Someone had to say it.

[i.imgur.com image 449x471]

Wrong.


Angel has some good episodes but it's actually three or four series under the same name rather then a single one. I mean, starts vampire detective show, then becomes vampire hotel show, then vampire lawyers.
 
2012-05-22 07:54:27 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Hush was pretty great.

I like that Joss is doing well these days. If for no other reason than it makes some people mad.

/the flipside is that the Browncoats are gonna be derping even more loudly for more Firefly


Are you actually listening to "Browncoats"? In 20 years they'll have as much "respect" for Whedon as Star Wars fans currently have "respect" for George Lucas. But unlike Lucas, Whedon won't have made anything new in the Verse to warrant said "respect. Just 5 Dr. Horrible sequels and 2 Avengers sequels.
 
2012-05-22 07:59:57 AM  
I must be the only person who found the "the Body" to be overwrought, sentimental tripe. It's funny that Whedon can kill off actually likeable characters with little fanfare or anyone barely having a second thought, and yet when an obnoxious one bites it, you have to spend an episode and a half watching everyone agonize over it.
 
2012-05-22 08:29:31 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Harry_Seldon: texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes.
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies. Bunnies. It must be bunnies!

Or maybe midgets.

Strangely, that last line has been missing from every repeat of this episode I've seen recently.
.
Farking political correctness


When OMWF first aired, we didn't get Buffy because of the network swap and my local affiliates farked us over. But we heard a lot about it. TNT was showing the re-runs but they would get to where that season started, then do a reboot. Very annoying until they finally got that season into their rotation.

We fell in love with it so much, that we went out and bought the soundtrack. Get the full songs. It's awesome.
 
2012-05-22 09:09:47 AM  

Surool: dywed88: Surool: Once More with Feeling was horrible. The concept was amusing, but only Giles and Tara could sing their way out of a wet paper bag.

Which is half the fun of the episode. If it were a Broadway level performance it just wouldn't have been right. They were normal people suddenly thrust into a musical. The lyrics were great, and Xander admitting it was him (and Sweet passing on claiming Xander as his bride) was epic.

You can't rationalize the sh*tty music and sh*tty performances as being intentional. It wasn't. Joss did his best to hide what he could. The episode is a favorite of his because of the fun they had filming it... something we did not experience as viewers.


That's not entirely accurate. I, as a viewer was not there to experience the fun they had filming it, but as a viewer I can see the fun they had filming it in their performances,
 
2012-05-22 10:01:26 AM  
Seeing as how I own the "Once More with Feeling" cd and have the whole thing saved to my smart phone, I would suggest that I liked that episode.

I would suggest also that the majority of Buffy fans enjoyed the episode. However those who don't like the episode are those who generally dislilke musicals to begin with. NTTAW..... nevermind. What the hell is wrong with those people?
 
2012-05-22 10:09:41 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Harry_Seldon: texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes.
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies. Bunnies. It must be bunnies!

Or maybe midgets.

Strangely, that last line has been missing from every repeat of this episode I've seen recently.
.
Farking political correctness


The most underappreciated line in the whole episode is right after.

Willow: I've got a theory that we should work this faaast.

Willow and Giles looking sideways at each other and at Anya: Because it clearly could get serious before it's passed...

/also the pyrotechnics for Anya = win
 
2012-05-22 10:45:24 AM  
I loved the series but I only own season 3.

The Mayor for the WIN!!!

"The Body" destroyed me. I cannot watch the clips and even thinking about the episode tears me down. And oddly enough I have not lost a parent. No musical score does it.
 
2012-05-22 11:08:18 AM  
Roughly in order, best to less best:

1. The Body
2. Conversations With Dead People
3. Once More With Feeling
4. Hush
5. Restless

But I love them all. There was exactly one episode out of the 144 that I don't need to see again (Beer Bad). Of course, this is coming from a guy with a Buffy ringtone and who owns a copy of the Class of 99 Sunnydale High Yearbook, so I may be biased...
 
2012-05-22 11:09:47 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Harry_Seldon: texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes.
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses.
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies. Bunnies. It must be bunnies!

Or maybe midgets.

Strangely, that last line has been missing from every repeat of this episode I've seen recently.
.
Farking political correctness

The most underappreciated line in the whole episode is right after.

Willow: I've got a theory that we should work this faaast.

Willow and Giles looking sideways at each other and at Anya: Because it clearly could get serious before it's passed...

/also the pyrotechnics for Anya = win


No, the most underappreciated line in that episode is during Walk Through the Fire:

Spike: No, first I'll save her, then I'll kill her!

Willow: I think that this line's mostly filler.

The look on Will's face is what does it.
 
2012-05-22 11:17:09 AM  

PurpleAlienGiraffe: Also, those are all my faves pretty much, sans all the Halloween ones. And The Zeppo. And maybe a few others.

I can go years without seeing an episode, but when I come across one on TV or pick up my DVDs for some obscure reason, I can always pinpoint the episodes by name, the season, the continuity of the current story lines, etc, like I was I still in high school. Only show I *really* grew up with. I watched it's entirety every night it aired. Oooooh the memories of talking to girlfriends on the phone during commercial breaks or crying by myself, watching alone in my room for the heavy eps....

/awww memories


My sister loved it when it first aired, but I'd never seen a single episode. When my son was born, I needed something to do while I held him, so he and I marathoned it through the entire series in the first two months of his life (me watching with headphones and him sleeping in my arms). It's a nice memory.

Plus, especially for the first five seasons, it's a really good show I think to watch with a teenager, since every episode has a lesson about growing up. Sometimes your friends fall in with the wrong crowd and turn mean - whether they're just the wrong crowd because they're teenage douchebags or because they were possessed by hyena spirits, the principle's the same...

(Same with sometimes your parents or your friend's parents get divorced and meet someone new, and you think they're evil. Maybe it's because you don't know them very well or are afraid of change, or maybe it's because they're secretly a 1950s android.)
 
2012-05-22 11:28:15 AM  

The Voice of Doom: fusillade762
The last couple seasons of Angel are better than anything on Buffy, imo.

If you cut out anything related to Connor and the forced love triangles..


A thousand times THIS. And having just re-watched the entire series on Netflix over last summer, I have to say that it wasn't even Connor's character that was so teeth-grindingly annoying as much as it was the casting choice. A less whiny douchebag portrayal could have helped tremendously.
 
2012-05-22 11:54:03 AM  

Phineas J Whoopee: The Voice of Doom: fusillade762
The last couple seasons of Angel are better than anything on Buffy, imo.

If you cut out anything related to Connor and the forced love triangles..


A thousand times THIS. And having just re-watched the entire series on Netflix over last summer, I have to say that it wasn't even Connor's character that was so teeth-grindingly annoying as much as it was the casting choice. A less whiny douchebag portrayal could have helped tremendously.



Having watched the series for the first time a couple months ago, my opinion on what would have made it far better:
1) Cut Conner.
2) The entire idea of them running Wolfram and Hart was terrible and the series didn't need to change directions. They did well with what they had, but it could have been much better following the same structure as the previous seasons.
3) Don't make Lorne a regular. He was amazing as a recurring character, but he just didn't have a place in the main cast.
4) More Drusilla and Darla. The best Big Bads in Buffy or Angel (with the possible exception of Angelus, I would have loved to see much more of the exploits of Darla, Dru, and Angelus, with Spike for the comic relief that could have been a great series).

That said, I would put the series around Buffy season 4 quality, probably slightly above. It never matched Buffy during the high school years but was far superior to the end of Buffy.
 
2012-05-22 01:42:45 PM  
I can't remember the name of the episode but it's the one where Xander has the love spell cast in order to make Cordelia fall back in love with him. It backfired and made every OTHER girl fall in love with him. The slow motion scene of him walking through the halls of the school was priceless.
 
2012-05-22 02:18:34 PM  
Lord Dimwit
Plus, especially for the first five seasons, it's a really good show I think to watch with a teenager, since every episode has a lesson about growing up. Sometimes your friends fall in with the wrong crowd and turn mean - whether they're just the wrong crowd because they're teenage douchebags or because they were possessed by hyena spirits, the principle's the same...

No, the principal got eaten by the hyena people.
 
2012-05-22 03:20:07 PM  

Snapper Carr: texdent: Call me crazy, but I liked Once More With Feeling.

Dramatically, I liked it.
Judged strictly in terms of a musical, however it's a mixed bag.


These guys do not approve.

i662.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-22 03:20:46 PM  

Lord Dimwit: The look on Will's face is what does it.


She was the only member of the cast that could not sing. Watch the episode again and watch for Willow singing.
 
2012-05-22 03:29:50 PM  

TheManofPA: Bathia_Mapes: Merkin Ball: JW did Buffy? Hmm. I thought he offed himself after Firefly got cancelled..

Uh, you do know that "Buffy" preceded "Firefly", right? And that he wrote the screenplay for the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (1992) movie too.

Me thinks that original post was sarcasm since everyone know this would turn into a pro-Firefly, anti-firefly thread


TheManofPA is correct.
 
2012-05-22 03:56:04 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord Dimwit: The look on Will's face is what does it.

She was the only member of the cast that could not sing. Watch the episode again and watch for Willow singing.


She was bad, and Dawn was a close second. Dawn could dance, though.

Tara was surprisingly good, as was Buffy. Giles we knew was good.
 
2012-05-22 04:38:54 PM  

Lord Dimwit: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord Dimwit: The look on Will's face is what does it.

She was the only member of the cast that could not sing. Watch the episode again and watch for Willow singing.

She was bad, and Dawn was a close second. Dawn could dance, though.

Tara was surprisingly good, as was Buffy. Giles we knew was good.


apparently, Giles in real life is some kind of street tough.
 
2012-05-23 09:04:59 AM  

pute kisses like a man: Lord Dimwit: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord Dimwit: The look on Will's face is what does it.

She was the only member of the cast that could not sing. Watch the episode again and watch for Willow singing.

She was bad, and Dawn was a close second. Dawn could dance, though.

Tara was surprisingly good, as was Buffy. Giles we knew was good.

apparently, Giles in real life is some kind of street tough.


Ripper appproves

/and does your mom on a police car
//twice
 
2012-05-23 10:23:36 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Tara was surprisingly good, as was Buffy. Giles we knew was good.


The stand out was Spike. On the DVD extras they have him doing an acoustic version of "Let me rest in Peace" while playing the guitar. awesome
 
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