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(Jezebel)   Psychiatrist who 'proved' gays can be cured says it was all a big mistake   (jezebel.com) divider line 166
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2012-05-21 03:52:40 PM  
 
2012-05-21 03:53:08 PM  
The 'cure' is to chant: " Gay, gay, go away come again some other day".
Seems pretty obvious that it's doomed to fail.
 
2012-05-21 03:53:28 PM  
After failing to overcome his own same-sex attractions? (no indication of this in the article, of course).

I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some "highly motivated" individuals.


How about apologizing for the money they wasted?
 
2012-05-21 03:54:03 PM  
Reparative therapy aka The Bachmann Corndog
 
2012-05-21 03:54:13 PM  
Right wing funded study had a forced outcome? This is somehow science's fault, lets defund it in public schools.
 
2012-05-21 03:54:16 PM  
Mikstake?

/is that psyctalk for "oopsie, ha ha, ya caught me, ha ha"?
//what is psytalk for "I don't have to pay all that money back, do I"?
 
2012-05-21 03:54:18 PM  
Should the quotes go around "cured"?
 
2012-05-21 03:54:51 PM  
He sounds "Republican".
 
2012-05-21 03:55:36 PM  
I'm living proof that people can change their sexual orientation.

/I farked a few straight guys in college
 
2012-05-21 03:55:53 PM  
is unconvinced and still definitely not gay

cache.daylife.com
 
2012-05-21 03:57:04 PM  
BART: Mister Smithers? But aren't you...
SMITHERS: Gay? Not since they found a cure for it. I just have to take these injections every fifteen minutes.

*SMITHERS jabs a needle into his arm*

SMITHERS: I love boobies!
 
2012-05-21 03:58:35 PM  

moops: is unconvinced and still definitely not gay

[cache.daylife.com image 610x445]


totally
 
2012-05-21 03:59:13 PM  
So, he decided he just had to suck it up and take it like a man?
 
2012-05-21 03:59:51 PM  
Sucks for the Christian right. I really thought they had a winner with that "Pray away the Gay" slogan. Not since "Hugs not Drugs" has a slogan been so instantly catchy. I could even have seen a "Pray away the Gay" theme song recorded by the duet of Amy Grant and Scott Stapp.
 
2012-05-21 03:59:52 PM  

moops: is unconvinced and still definitely not gay


Forget being gay, he really needs to sue the surgeon that did that to his face.
 
2012-05-21 04:00:03 PM  
Did not Dr. Spitzer emphasize the non-conclusive nature of his findings upon release, due to the non-random nature of the selection?
 
2012-05-21 04:00:24 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: /I farked a few straight guys in college


No you didn't.

Now, you might have been farked by a few straight guys...
 
2012-05-21 04:01:07 PM  
Typo, but, I like McStake.

Kinda works since this is the New Age Business Plan.
Works so well, it should be franchised.

1) identify conservitive night terror
1.1) invent derp w/ slide show and call it Science
2) profit
3) admit McStake and run like hell
 
2012-05-21 04:01:17 PM  
Spitzer swallows?
 
2012-05-21 04:02:06 PM  

Sticky Hands: The 'cure' is to chant: " Gay, gay, go away come again some other day".
Seems pretty obvious that it's doomed to fail.


i thought the chant was something like "one, two homos comin' for you" or something...
 
2012-05-21 04:02:09 PM  
Meh. There will always be a market for this type of thing, though (ex-gay, reparative therapy, reorientation, or whatever you want to call it).
As long as there are parents (particularly religious ones) whose Weeners to their child coming out is to try to "fix it", there will be snake oil salesman lining up to sell them books, DVDs, and seminars.
And as long as the kids of those parents have enough internalized shame to go along with it, they'll continue to seek out these treatments. Both to appease their parents and to regain their community's acceptance. It doesn't matter if every psychiatric institution on the world condemned it as junk science. Sad but true.
 
2012-05-21 04:02:18 PM  
The gay mafia got to him, obviously.

(You don't want to know what they severed and left in his bed.)
 
2012-05-21 04:03:45 PM  
It's nice that he came to his senses and apologized, but I doubt it will really change much. People who advocate this procedure will ignore his recanting and most people won't even hear about it.
 
2012-05-21 04:05:32 PM  

Ashtrey: It's nice that he came to his senses and apologized, but I doubt it will really change much. People who advocate this procedure will ignore his recanting and most people won't even hear about it.


If I recall accurately, advocates of legalizing the murder of homosexuals already exaggerated Dr. Spitzer's findings beyond Dr. Spitzer's own conclusions. As with gun control advocates, facts and accuracy are not concerns of opponents of civil liberties for homosexuals.
 
2012-05-21 04:05:57 PM  
Gay can be cured through minute doses of same-sex action. What, you've never heard of homo-opathy?
 
2012-05-21 04:06:05 PM  
I think it is possible to cure someone from being gay with therapy. You can do the same thing to cure someone from wearing a fanny pack, which is nearly the same thing.
 
2012-05-21 04:06:26 PM  
The folks who bought into this are the same people who don't believe scientists when it comes to evolution, climate change or the sun not revolving around the earth. A study from a PSYCHIATRIST is apparently legit science though, as long as it meets their out-dated ideas. They treat science the same way they treat the bible....pick and choose
 
2012-05-21 04:06:38 PM  

markfara: The gay mafia got to him, obviously.

(You don't want to know what they severed and left in his bed.)


Could it be sucked?
 
2012-05-21 04:07:22 PM  
Yeah, you definitely don't want to suggest the possibility that gays can choose the patterns of their behavior and possibly modify them if they wish. Rushing headlong into the "born that way" mentality is the best avenue to take. Nothing says "pride" like "I can't help it", while getting a condescending pat on the head of those who secretly hope for a gay gene to be discovered so it can be "cured" in-utero.

/Seriously. You think once a gay gene is discovered and isolated any parent will deliberately allow that child to be born unmodified in the uterus?

//Were I gay, I would be vehemently against the "born that way" mentality because I would take actual pride in deciding who I am.

///A gay gene will remove a homosexual from being a 'who' to being a 'what'.
 
2012-05-21 04:07:31 PM  
He did phone interviews with 200 men and women that had undergone the therapy in which he asked about their sexual feelings and behaviors before and after the treatment and rated the answers on a scale. He compared the before and after therapy scores and concluded...

The research was rife with problems. It was relied on people's often inaccurate memories, and there was nothing to stop people from simply lying about their feelings. Some of the participants were ex-gay advocates who had a stake in the outcome of the study, and the therapy methods being used by people were all over the map; thus there was no standard method of therapy being proven effective.


www.rankopedia.com

"On a scale of 1-10, how gay to you feel? And remember, this is for posterity so be honest."
 
2012-05-21 04:10:32 PM  
So gays can't be cured?

Can we marinate them instead?

/Don't ask what they should be marinated in.
 
2012-05-21 04:10:33 PM  

G-Rot: Were I gay, I would be vehemently against the "born that way" mentality because I would take actual pride in deciding who I am.


I understand what you mean, but when did you decide you were straight?
 
2012-05-21 04:11:50 PM  

Dubwise: Sticky Hands: The 'cure' is to chant: " Gay, gay, go away come again some other day".
Seems pretty obvious that it's doomed to fail.

i thought the chant was something like "one, two homos comin' for you" or something...


they tried that for a while, but it turned out to be a bit ambiguous, though not as bad as "lick the wrong crack, break your mama's back"
 
2012-05-21 04:12:48 PM  
Where's that xkcd? Oh, here it is:
imgs.xkcd.com

Something that far from a pure science can't "prove" anything.
Correlate? Sure.
Make statements that hold true quite often? Absolutely.
Prove? No.
 
2012-05-21 04:12:56 PM  

dericwater: markfara: The gay mafia got to him, obviously.

(You don't want to know what they severed and left in his bed.)

Could it be sucked?


It's your life, pal.
 
2012-05-21 04:14:24 PM  

Citrate1007: Right wing funded study had a forced outcome? This is somehow science's fault, lets defund it in public schools.


Science? Don't fix it. Blame it.
We all know that science isn't worth anything. Write THAT on your smart phones!
 
2012-05-21 04:14:35 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Where's that xkcd? Oh, here it is:


It would be even better with economics on the far left, but I guess they didn't want to make it 1600 pixels wide.
 
2012-05-21 04:14:36 PM  

markfara: The gay mafia got to him, obviously.

(You don't want to know what they severed and left in his bed.)


The back seat of a Volkswagen?
 
2012-05-21 04:16:18 PM  
I understand what you mean, but when did you decide you were straight?

*sigh* seriously with this tired argument?

/it's the default position.

//but hey, keep chasing after that rainbow gene. If you actually find it, there will be no homosexuals in a hundred years. Likely less than that.
 
2012-05-21 04:17:25 PM  
Everyone knows that science caused all of our problems.

/Crying in my microwave popcorn, while I diddle the Internet and listen to the game on TV.
 
2012-05-21 04:17:29 PM  

G-Rot: Yeah, you definitely don't want to suggest the possibility that gays can choose the patterns of their behavior and possibly modify them if they wish. Rushing headlong into the "born that way" mentality is the best avenue to take. Nothing says "pride" like "I can't help it", while getting a condescending pat on the head of those who secretly hope for a gay gene to be discovered so it can be "cured" in-utero.

/Seriously. You think once a gay gene is discovered and isolated any parent will deliberately allow that child to be born unmodified in the uterus?

//Were I gay, I would be vehemently against the "born that way" mentality because I would take actual pride in deciding who I am.

///A gay gene will remove a homosexual from being a 'who' to being a 'what'.


And knowing that a person can't choose their skin color will make people of different races into a "what"? Or knowing that a person can't choose their own gender will make women into a "what"? If you think that'll happen for gays, you ought to have a reason it doesn't happen in other cases.
 
2012-05-21 04:17:46 PM  
What this article fails to mention is that Dr. Spitzer was one of the leaders in removing homosexuality from the list of "disorders" in the DSM. He deserves great credit for a long and distinguished career, with this as the pinnacle. If anything, though, that makes his more recent work on "curing" homosexuality even more baffling -- even a rank amateur like me can see that the methodology is going to be rife with bias and error. (Asking people to recall how they felt in the past? When the "preferred" answer has been suggested to them? Really??)
 
2012-05-21 04:17:55 PM  

kid_icarus: Meh. There will always be a market for this type of thing, though (ex-gay, reparative therapy, reorientation, or whatever you want to call it).
As long as there are parents (particularly religious ones) whose Weeners to their child coming out is to try to "fix it", there will be snake oil salesman lining up to sell them books, DVDs, and seminars.
And as long as the kids of those parents have enough internalized shame to go along with it, they'll continue to seek out these treatments. Both to appease their parents and to regain their community's acceptance. It doesn't matter if every psychiatric institution on the world condemned it as junk science. Sad but true.


A most appropriate filterpwn
 
2012-05-21 04:18:45 PM  

TheMysticS: kid_icarus: Meh. There will always be a market for this type of thing, though (ex-gay, reparative therapy, reorientation, or whatever you want to call it).
As long as there are parents (particularly religious ones) whose Weeners to their child coming out is to try to "fix it", there will be snake oil salesman lining up to sell them books, DVDs, and seminars.
And as long as the kids of those parents have enough internalized shame to go along with it, they'll continue to seek out these treatments. Both to appease their parents and to regain their community's acceptance. It doesn't matter if every psychiatric institution on the world condemned it as junk science. Sad but true.

A most appropriate filterpwn


I know. Weird, since the word was just 'response'.
 
2012-05-21 04:19:08 PM  

G-Rot: *sigh* seriously with this tired argument?


If you think you were born straight and gay people made a decision, I imagine you are tired of hearing it.
 
2012-05-21 04:20:18 PM  

Honest Bender: Honest Mistake?


More like dumbfark mistake. This dude had to admit two things: 1) An incorrect result he published drove a national political agenda in a negative direction. 2) He arrived at the incorrect result because he's pretty much the worst farking scientist ever. He polled gays and asked if they were cured after therapy. A decade later he realized perhaps gays who are being told gay is bad and wrong going through therapy to cure the gay might just lie about whether or not they were still gay. Shocker I know. There's a reason this was met with enormous controversy and it had nothing to do with homosexuality, it had to do with it being shiat science.

Also, this is old news. Look, here's an article from over a month ago. Link So while this article likes to pretend it has been a great week all surrounding Obama's comments, this actually occurred pre-Obama's comments.

And finally, before we completely demonize Spitzer, he was actually the guy who first championed having being gay removed as a mental illness. His study to cure the gay was not the result of an anti-gay agenda, his study was the result of shiat science.
 
2012-05-21 04:21:28 PM  

paygun: I think it is possible to cure someone from being gay with therapy. You can do the same thing to cure someone from wearing a fanny pack, which is nearly the same thing.


If I were to be cured of wearing a fanny pack, where would I keep my firearm holstered?
 
2012-05-21 04:21:36 PM  

G-Rot: I understand what you mean, but when did you decide you were straight?

*sigh* seriously with this tired argument?

/it's the default position.

//but hey, keep chasing after that rainbow gene. If you actually find it, there will be no homosexuals in a hundred years. Likely less than that.


Maybe...

However, we have a planet with more people than can meaningfully contribute, and machines taking over more and more things every day.

If they find a way to flip that switch, they might just turn the default to gay and only switch it back later for some chosen few.
 
2012-05-21 04:22:41 PM  

Dimensio: If I were to be cured of wearing a fanny pack, where would I keep my firearm holstered?


Your butt. Get something with a ramp front sight. (no homo)
 
2012-05-21 04:22:54 PM  

Super Chronic: What this article fails to mention is that Dr. Spitzer was one of the leaders in removing homosexuality from the list of "disorders" in the DSM. He deserves great credit for a long and distinguished career, with this as the pinnacle. If anything, though, that makes his more recent work on "curing" homosexuality even more baffling -- even a rank amateur like me can see that the methodology is going to be rife with bias and error. (Asking people to recall how they felt in the past? When the "preferred" answer has been suggested to them? Really??)


FTFA:

The fact that Spitzer, an influential and well-respected psychiatrist, became the public face of proving it effective seemed odd to many, particularly because he was an instrumental figure in the 1973 fight that resulted in the American Psychiatric Association no longer classifying homosexuality as a mental illness.

Or you could, you know, actually read the article.
 
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