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(The Weekly Standard)   WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today. So when are they bringing up Obama's Grandpa Jefferson Davis   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 40
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2012-05-21 04:27:12 PM
4 votes:
The problem isn't what some Mormon did 150 years ago.

The problem is Mormon Romney stating in front of a group of people and saying that marriage has been between and man and a woman, and it's been that way for 2,500 years, without explaining why only 150 years ago his Mormon great grandfather left the united states to practice polygamy. (Thats not even mentioning the changing definition in the billion other sects of Christianity over the years)

Facts are pesky things. You can't just make them up. And if you're going to spew wargarble, prepare for the shiat storm incoming.
2012-05-21 04:17:27 PM
4 votes:
Can we all please just agree that all religions are dumb and out-dated already? Please? We have science to benefit from and reality to experience.
2012-05-21 08:13:17 PM
3 votes:

Proteios1: So the guy is Mormon. Why are atheist so insecure (and obsessed) with religion. Especially Christianity. Atheists....there are religious people in this world. E know. You don't like them. Now stfu and get on with not believing anything.


Would you want someone that offers blood sacrifices to the Norse gods on a regular basis in charge of our foreign policy?

Atheists view this as the same thing for all other religions, especially the really farked-up ones with weird rituals and that believe God means for all women to be subservient to men. If your brain processes operate under the assumption your underwear gives you magic powers of immortality, perhaps you shouldn't be in charge of anything more dangerous than a pencil sharpener, much less the nuclear launch codes.
2012-05-21 04:11:12 PM
3 votes:
I think there were earlier first 9/11's

edu.glogster.com
2012-05-21 07:19:32 PM
2 votes:
Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )
2012-05-21 06:30:02 PM
2 votes:

wildcardjack: Would they run something about the St Bartholomew's day massacre of Huguenots by Catholics?


I would think so if there were people in the US who were concerned about voting for a Catholic and citing the St Bartholomew's day massacre as one of the reasons.
2012-05-21 06:24:48 PM
2 votes:
I love this part of the Mormon Myth:
Only halfway through the article do we learn that it was actually the Mormons who generally faced persecution. "The massacre was an anomaly for the church, because it was Mormons who were more likely to be targeted in the early days of their religion, which was founded in the 1830s and 1840s," the paper concedes. "Mormons had been attacked by mobs and forcibly ejected from states."

From what I've read the folks who "persecuted" the Mormons were settlers who had cleared and improved their homesteads only to have Joseph Smith and his followers deem the settlers land as very nice and the "Lord ordained" that the settlers turn over their hard earned land to the Profit,Joseph Smith, and join the cult or Git Out! When the Mormons were inevitably run off by the settlers, their cried that they were being persecuted. Then in Missouri, where Joseph Smith met his end, it had to do with a scizm inside his own cult with the splinter group going after St Smith, or somethin somethin... I make a point of NOT knowing too much about Mormons beyond the Bloody Meadow Massacre, the young men who are banished from the Plural Marriage Sects so that the Alpha Male gits all the wimins.
2012-05-21 06:19:38 PM
2 votes:

SithLord: ox45tallboy: If the message of racial intolerance and America-hatin; from this guy is on the table:

[www.highlighthollywood.com image 483x600]

Then you better believe the racial intolerance and America-hatin' of THIS guy is too:

[www.pbs.org image 385x550]

Remember, Republicans, glass houses, and all that...


You picked the wrong religious leader for the incumbent. Here's the correct option:

[looklex.com image 529x794]

\hot
\\flame on!


You know, the thing is, I've listened to the full context of Rev. Wright's most inflammatory statements, the "America's chickens were comin' home to roost!" thing, and I can't say that I disagree with him. It sounds horrible from a 5-second sound bite, but it was the honest-to-FSM truth.

Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was a farktard pedophile that started his own religion to cover the fact that he liked diddling little girls, and lots of them.

Hey Mormons, if Joseph Smith was wrong about child brides, and he was wrong about polygamy, and he was wrong about black people, why the fark do you still think of this person as your "leader" bringing a "message from God"? Was he wrong about what God was saying to him, or was God telling him wrong? Which one farked up, God or Joseph Smith?
2012-05-21 04:24:24 PM
2 votes:
Lets face it, Mormonism is a kooky cult with a a sometimes unpleasant past history.


and so is every other religion. !
2012-05-21 04:23:13 PM
2 votes:
Barack Obama's grandfather fought in WWII. How will this affect his relationship with Angela Merkel?
2012-05-21 04:17:57 PM
2 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: I really don't understand how this gets classified as an attack on Romney's Morman faith on the part of WaPo.

There aren't many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism - and potentially more problematic for Mitt Romney, who is seeking to become the country's first Mormon president. Not only do many here retain a personal antipathy toward the religion and its followers, but they also tend to be Christian evangelicals, many of whom view Mormonism as a cult.

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney's religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.

If anything it seems to be sympathetic to Romney because of the suspicion that his faith brings out in some people.


I have a Protestant co-worker who has had a few rants against Catholics for not being an inclusive religion and for setting up too much judgmental barriers towards having non-Catholics take part of their services. She'd brag about how tolerant and inclusive her church is.

This morning she ranted on how Mormons aren't Christians, they're a cult who worship a false god and they're not followers of Jesus Christ.
2012-05-22 04:07:39 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: I think it's about time we had another Mason president.


i262.photobucket.com
2012-05-22 01:58:51 AM
1 votes:

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: PonceAlyosha: You know why? Because religious people don't care about anything but power.

Thank you, tip your waitress.


I don't care about power, I care about getting my dick wet. Because I can do that, I don't need power.
2012-05-22 01:52:31 AM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: You know what I've always wondered? Who made God? Who was God's mom? Did she have big titties? She would have had to, to breastfeed God, because I bet God is huge, and His appetite for milk when He was BabyGod must have been enormous. I bet God's Mom's rack is just INSANE.


You do have an enormous talent for typing disjointed insane bullshiat, I'll give you that.
2012-05-21 10:12:21 PM
1 votes:

PonceAlyosha: UCFRoadWarrior: Interesting WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today.

What....started a colony in Kenya? I missed that one

Are you saying that Romney and Obama are secretly twin brothers?


Well, they do both govern like Centrist Republicans.
2012-05-21 09:09:01 PM
1 votes:
This just in blindly clinging to a religion unquestioningly will increase likelihood of xenophobia and desire to murder others.



Study conducted by Professor Ug at the Cave Rock Institute of Good Side of River
2012-05-21 08:27:32 PM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: ox45tallboy: Would you want someone that offers blood sacrifices to the Norse gods on a regular basis in charge of our foreign policy?

Insta-Troll.


My ass. Athiests really do see all of the different fairy tales as just as ridiculous as the others. They get worrisome because it seems like the weirder and more illogical the doctrine, the more fanatically followed they are.

I was using how ridiculous most Americans find those who still follow the ancient Norse gods as an example to show how most Atheists view those who fanatically follow evangelical Christianity, and especially its weird stepchildren like Mormonism.
2012-05-21 07:52:02 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: So the media should not report on evangelical concerns about Romney's faith?

Is this a "You're racist for pointing out racism?"

Not when it's obviously completely unrelated to his campaign or his qualifications. This has nothing to do with Romney in any way whatsoever, and bring it up is just flinging more poo. The guy has plenty of other weak points, and religion has no business being involved in politics anyway.


Really?

Then why does the right keep trotting out THIS guy?

campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com

I mean, Romney sat in a Mormon church for years, you can't tell me that he didn't pay attention to the doctrine that was preached!
2012-05-21 07:51:03 PM
1 votes:
Romney was 31 years old and it was years after his mission work (avoiding Vietnam while trying to get people to join his racist cult in France) before his church recognized black people as humans.
2012-05-21 07:46:35 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: LikeALeafOnTheWind: Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )

Is that real? You could make a really really kickass movie about that.

Not really;
Blood Atonement


Check that wikipedia page for the part on Blood atonement for apostasy. Thats what im referring to. I was raised RLDS, my family goes pretty far back in that churches history. The stories i was told growing up was that some of our family had gone west with Brigham Young. They became disillusioned with the Utah church and wanted to return to Missouri. One day they were warned by a close friend to leave immediately as he had been assigned to be their death angel, and would have to kill them the next day. Granted, i have no proof of any of it, its a family story that has passed down several generations. but Thats my story and im stickin to it.
2012-05-21 07:43:19 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: This morning she ranted on how Mormons aren't Christians, they're a cult who worship a false god and they're not followers of Jesus Christ.



So then all the evangelicals have the same thing in common. None of them worship Jesus who would today be a socialist/communist/collectivist/anti-war activist.
2012-05-21 07:36:05 PM
1 votes:

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )


So, it's like a frontier version of Scientology, right? Nowadays they just sue your ass into bankruptcy and beyond.
2012-05-21 07:29:06 PM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: LikeALeafOnTheWind: Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )

Is that real? You could make a really really kickass movie about that.


Not really;
Blood Atonement
2012-05-21 07:24:06 PM
1 votes:

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )


Is that real? You could make a really really kickass movie about that.
2012-05-21 06:36:23 PM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: wildcardjack: Would they run something about the St Bartholomew's day massacre of Huguenots by Catholics?

I would think so if there were people in the US who were concerned about voting for a Catholic and citing the St Bartholomew's day massacre as one of the reasons.


Well, looking at the way that most of America feels about the bankers right now, citing the Friday the 13th massacre of the Knights Templar might actually improve the poll numbers of a Catholic candidate.
2012-05-21 06:09:51 PM
1 votes:
If the message of racial intolerance and America-hatin; from this guy is on the table:

www.highlighthollywood.com

Then you better believe the racial intolerance and America-hatin' of THIS guy is too:

www.pbs.org

Remember, Republicans, glass houses, and all that...
2012-05-21 06:04:03 PM
1 votes:

derpdeederp: SithLord

The concern is thus that Romney, way back when, took an oath to the Church as first and foremost, all other oaths are secondary. This in turn, would include the one he could take in January.

Yah, well Sith Lord took an oath to the Sith Master, so were does that put you.


Under a Sith theocratic meritocracy, only the strong shall be confirmed as rulers. The weak will always falter and be put down. Those destined to be leaders will remove those who can not. Peace is a lie, there is only passion....

Plus, the dark side has cookies.
2012-05-21 06:02:51 PM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: So, the Washington Post is anti-Mormon for an article that discusses how a group of people are prejudiced against Mormons because they live where Mormons did bad things a long time ago?

The Weekly Standard must have a very low opinion of the intellect of their readers. They are literally saying that to discuss someone else's prejudice makes you prejudiced.


That's a standard deflection these days. Where have you been?

Pointing out that bigotry and prejudice has no place in a free and just society is met with scorn and hostility.

To quote my step-father "Let us pray". I wasn't sure what sparked his "Let us pray" comment, aside from saying "Hiding your bigotry behind religion doesn't give you a free pass to hate others who are different from you".
2012-05-21 05:52:38 PM
1 votes:

Raoul Eaton: But really, are there people who actually think they can marginalize Mormons in Utah?


No. We know we're farked by the majority. But there are buttloads of ex-mormons who are always like "What? I had no idea about the dark side of Mormon history until I left the church." They really do keep themselves in a bubble.
2012-05-21 05:44:39 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Continuing to spread this non-story just adds fuel to the fire in a way that I consider to be underhanded...


Well, you're wrong. A report on how a region of the country is going to be harder for a Presidential candidate to garner votes in because of bias against his religion is newsworthy. It's not calling Romney out.
2012-05-21 05:43:36 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: All that is true. However there ARE people who disagree with that viewpoint. They exist. Should their existence be ignored by the media? Should the impact that those people have on Romney's political support be ignored by the media?

Should the existence of racists and bigots of all kinds be ignored by the media?

It's the whole 'Don't feed the trolls' concept. When people bring up irrelevant stuff to try and defame someone, you shouldn't give them the time of day, let alone assist with their misinformation campaign. I see this particular thing as an attack like Glenn Beck does with the 'I'm not saying they're Nazis, but...' thing. They just say 'Well, we don't want to spread this rumor, but did ya know?' instead.

Like I said, IMHO, there's no end to the shiat you can call Romney out on. Continuing to spread this non-story just adds fuel to the fire in a way that I consider to be underhanded...


Ignorance is not bliss. You may want to be protected from knowing about the nasty, ignorant things that others believe, but increased ignorance is not the solution to ignorance.
2012-05-21 05:28:36 PM
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Continue you on with your faith that everything came from nothing.


You know what I've always wondered? Who made God? Who was God's mom? Did she have big titties? She would have had to, to breastfeed God, because I bet God is huge, and His appetite for milk when He was BabyGod must have been enormous. I bet God's Mom's rack is just INSANE.
2012-05-21 05:15:07 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: I am a little concerned if Mitt Romney becomes President.

Do we all have to wear magic under garments? Will there be a constitutional amendment?

This also concerns me:

He told me that there was a council room up there which was an exact replica of the Oval Office of the White House. He told me they even had all the radio and telemetry equipment in place, hidden beneath a dome on top of the temple. He said that from this council room, the prophet could run the nation just as easily as he could from the White House itself. He also claimed that these electronic devices on the roof were so strong that airlines had to avoid flying right over the temple or their instruments might be thrown off.


Well then I'm not surprised the rest of the evangelical dominionist a-holes out there have a problem with Romney. Saving the world from itself and ruling over God's Kingdom on Earth is supposed to be their gig, not a job for a bunch of upstart Children Of The Corn lookalikes from Utah.


Oh Lord Jesus, save me from your followers, for they are surely dumber than the hammer with which we nailed you to your cross.
2012-05-21 04:58:03 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: I am a little concerned if Mitt Romney becomes President.

Do we all have to wear magic under garments? Will there be a constitutional amendment?

This also concerns me:

He told me that there was a council room up there which was an exact replica of the Oval Office of the White House. He told me they even had all the radio and telemetry equipment in place, hidden beneath a dome on top of the temple. He said that from this council room, the prophet could run the nation just as easily as he could from the White House itself. He also claimed that these electronic devices on the roof were so strong that airlines had to avoid flying right over the temple or their instruments might be thrown off.


The concern is thus that Romney, way back when, took an oath to the Church as first and foremost, all other oaths are secondary. This in turn, would include the one he could take in January.
2012-05-21 04:27:20 PM
1 votes:

COMALite J: vernonFL: which they have come to call "the first 9/11."

Never fergit

skullkrusher: I think there were earlier first 9/11's

[edu.glogster.com image 640x326]

Well, the Mountain Meadows Massacre actually was on 9/11/1857!

One loon has used this to try to say that Mormons were really the ones behind 9/11/2001, too. Oh, yeah, and the Oklahoma City bombing.


i290.photobucket.com
2012-05-21 04:18:03 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: which they have come to call "the first 9/11."

Never fergit


skullkrusher: I think there were earlier first 9/11's

[edu.glogster.com image 640x326]


Well, the Mountain Meadows Massacre actually was on 9/11/1857!

One loon has used this to try to say that Mormons were really the ones behind 9/11/2001, too. Oh, yeah, and the Oklahoma City bombing.
2012-05-21 04:13:57 PM
1 votes:
I really don't understand how this gets classified as an attack on Romney's Morman faith on the part of WaPo.

There aren't many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism - and potentially more problematic for Mitt Romney, who is seeking to become the country's first Mormon president. Not only do many here retain a personal antipathy toward the religion and its followers, but they also tend to be Christian evangelicals, many of whom view Mormonism as a cult.

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney's religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.


If anything it seems to be sympathetic to Romney because of the suspicion that his faith brings out in some people.
2012-05-21 04:12:13 PM
1 votes:
And never forget the Gainesville Hanging and the Nueces Massacre. For some reason westerners in the 19th-Century liked to kill outsiders.
2012-05-21 04:09:49 PM
1 votes:
I find mormonism no more silly than any other, what scares me about Romney is his economic policies and economic advisers are identical to Bush Jr's
2012-05-21 04:08:54 PM
1 votes:
meadow something massacre? click... yup

/The Mormon Forgeries are more interesting
 
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