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2012-05-21 08:40:26 PM

ox45tallboy: Lenny_da_Hog: No, son. You were responding to an Insta-troll.

[wwwimage.cbsnews.com image 480x360]

"Dad?"


You're welcome.
 
2012-05-21 08:41:12 PM

StrangeQ: Satanic_Hamster: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: LikeALeafOnTheWind: Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )

Is that real? You could make a really really kickass movie about that.

Not really;
Blood Atonement

the doctrine was ideally to be a voluntary choice by the sinner

How is that any different from the concept of seppuku? Both were believed to be part of an ideal code of ethics.


The difference to me is that seppuku was chosen by the principal to atone for their actions; blood atonement is punishment enforced from the outside.
 
2012-05-21 08:42:34 PM

StrangeQ: How is that any different from the concept of seppuku? Both were believed to be part of an ideal code of ethics.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk

"We're not talking about honorable suicide, we're talking about 'Boom! Pow!' Blow someone's brains out here."
 
2012-05-21 08:44:32 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I really don't understand how this gets classified as an attack on Romney's Morman faith on the part of WaPo.

There aren't many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism - and potentially more problematic for Mitt Romney, who is seeking to become the country's first Mormon president. Not only do many here retain a personal antipathy toward the religion and its followers, but they also tend to be Christian evangelicals, many of whom view Mormonism as a cult.

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney's religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.

If anything it seems to be sympathetic to Romney because of the suspicion that his faith brings out in some people.


I'm certain that that was the Post's motive for dredging up this particular story at this particular time, to elicit sympathy for Romney.
 
2012-05-21 08:49:55 PM

jjorsett: I'm certain that that was the Post's motive for dredging up this particular story at this particular time, to elicit sympathy for Romney.


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2012-05-21 08:54:17 PM

Mikey1969: religion has no business being involved in politics anyway.


It shouldn't, but it is.
 
2012-05-21 09:01:15 PM

fusillade762: Mikey1969: religion has no business being involved in politics anyway.

It shouldn't, but it is.


But the United States is a Christian nation! Treaty of Tripoli be damned!
 
2012-05-21 09:07:21 PM

ox45tallboy: but the fact that this guy believes some whacked-out shiat so much that he preached it to other people, and went overseas to convert even more, is scary.


"Scary"? Wow, other religions 'preach the word', and someone who really believes in their particular church will be more than happy to tell you how great it is if you ask, doesn't really "scare" me, and the missionaries aren't really that hard to get rid of, never had a problem.

ox45tallboy: Those Mormon farkers scare the hell out of me, Drive past the compound in SLC sometimes and try not to be frightened. That thing is a fortress with weapons stockpiles that make skinhead survivalists look like weekend backpackers.


Wow dude, not sure which Salt Lake City you've been to, but we've got nothing like that here. Hell, I've been inside the Temple, and there aren't weapon stockpiles or anything like that. Those Warren Jeffs-led freaks, on the other hand, that place was definitely set up to be a defensible fortress, with gunslits and everything.
 
2012-05-21 09:09:01 PM
This just in blindly clinging to a religion unquestioningly will increase likelihood of xenophobia and desire to murder others.



Study conducted by Professor Ug at the Cave Rock Institute of Good Side of River
 
2012-05-21 09:15:59 PM

Mikey1969: "Scary"? Wow, other religions 'preach the word', and someone who really believes in their particular church will be more than happy to tell you how great it is if you ask, doesn't really "scare" me, and the missionaries aren't really that hard to get rid of, never had a problem.


It's scary not because he believes that crap, but because he believes it so much he went overseas to convert other people. And he has stated that he has preached in his congregation before.

Wow dude, not sure which Salt Lake City you've been to, but we've got nothing like that here. Hell, I've been inside the Temple, and there aren't weapon stockpiles or anything like that. Those Warren Jeffs-led freaks, on the other hand, that place was definitely set up to be a defensible fortress, with gunslits and everything.

I went to SLC in 1999, and I can't find a pic of the Mormon compound I saw downtown (at least that's what the SLC native riding with me told me it was). Perhaps they were wrong, but the 12-ft high walls surrounding the place and bunker-like appearance of the building itself said to me "withstand a siege".
 
2012-05-21 09:19:58 PM
Maybe if you're going to throw a hissy fit over an article that "attacks" Romney over what people in his faith did 150 years ago, you should try finding an article that doesn't conclude that the incident isn't "making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor" among people "more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism" than anywhere else in the country".

Farking idiot submitter. I swear to god people just seek out reasons to be pissed off and don't give a rat's ass if what they're pissed about actually jives with reality.

Romney's faith is relevant because people made it relevant. WaPo found some people who seem most likely to have a chip on their shoulder about his faith. They don't seem to really have a chip on their shoulder.

Moron submitter concludes: zomg WaPo is attackin' mah guy!

Jackass.
 
2012-05-21 09:31:26 PM

NateGrey: Republicans are focused on more important matters.


Actually, the article is about Republicans who are focusing on Mitt's religion. Democrats aren't going to vote for Mitt. The question is, "Will Mitt lose Republican votes because of his religion?"
 
2012-05-21 09:37:56 PM
The politics tab seems to be stuck on stupid since this race started up. Is it just me or was it like this in 08?
 
2012-05-21 09:39:23 PM

ox45tallboy: It's scary not because he believes that crap, but because he believes it so much he went overseas to convert other people.


Still doesn't scare me. People proselytize all the time.

ox45tallboy: And he has stated that he has preached in his congregation before.


Well, that's kind of a different thing. First off, he was a Bishop, which is the leader of the Ward, which is a division kind of like a congregation. Wards meet at specific times and have their Sunday School and stuff together. Also, everyone in the Church more or less 'preaches'. There are always speakers at church with inspiring messages, and the first Sunday of every month is Fast Sunday, where nobody gets to eats until after church(Hence the 'fasting' part.), but also the church meeting is kind of like open mic night. Anyone is welcome to come up and talk about how they have been inspired, how their faith is strong, how they can inspire others, what they think God means to them, etc... Basically, they are all preaching to the rest of the congregation, so there's that. In other words, there are 2 different ways that he's 'preached', and neither one of them is unique. Anyone can be Bishop, the Stake President just has to feel that you have been "called"... Well, not "anyone", you do have to have advanced through the priesthood they have set up...


ox45tallboy: Perhaps they were wrong, but the 12-ft high walls surrounding the place and bunker-like appearance of the building itself said to me "withstand a siege".


Well, most likely that compound housed the Temple, which doesn't say 'siege' to me, an old church building, the Temple visitor's center, and the auditorium for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. The wall help keep vandals and burglars out(The statue on top DOES have real gold), it also makes sure that when you are visiting the Temple grounds, they can have the people with information brochures at specific spots, but it's really crappy as far as defense goes. It'll keep people out, but they don't have defensive positions to repel anybody, so they would be reduced to sitting and waiting. Defensively it sucks. Tour buddy was either screwing with you, or is just a but on the paranoid 'Mormons are out to get me' side. They aren't that scary of people, I moved here totally by choice, and with absolutely ZERO interest in joining their church, because they make great neighbors, they are extremely friendly, they are always there if you need help(Death in the family, house fire, natural disaster, etc), whether you are a church member or not, and because the crime is wonderfully low, especially compared to farking Phoenix, which is where I moved from.

They really aren't that bad of people, they don't have fangs, they can cross running water, eat garlic, and come out in daylight... ;-)
 
2012-05-21 09:40:13 PM
Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States by virtue of his Kenyan birth, AND he is the first President of the United States who HATES the United States. Not even Clinton did that. Not even Carter (at least not then).

Everything else is just so much BS.

 
2012-05-21 09:45:21 PM

ulteriordesign: The politics tab seems to be stuck on stupid since this race started up. Is it just me or was it like this in 08?


It was like this in 08.
 
2012-05-21 09:50:19 PM
Interesting WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today.

What....started a colony in Kenya? I missed that one
 
2012-05-21 09:57:47 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: Interesting WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today.

What....started a colony in Kenya? I missed that one


Are you saying that Romney and Obama are secretly twin brothers?
 
2012-05-21 10:08:11 PM

Mikey1969: ox45tallboy: It's scary not because he believes that crap, but because he believes it so much he went overseas to convert other people.

Still doesn't scare me. People proselytize all the time.

ox45tallboy: And he has stated that he has preached in his congregation before.

Well, that's kind of a different thing. First off, he was a Bishop, which is the leader of the Ward, which is a division kind of like a congregation. Wards meet at specific times and have their Sunday School and stuff together. Also, everyone in the Church more or less 'preaches'. There are always speakers at church with inspiring messages, and the first Sunday of every month is Fast Sunday, where nobody gets to eats until after church(Hence the 'fasting' part.), but also the church meeting is kind of like open mic night. Anyone is welcome to come up and talk about how they have been inspired, how their faith is strong, how they can inspire others, what they think God means to them, etc... Basically, they are all preaching to the rest of the congregation, so there's that. In other words, there are 2 different ways that he's 'preached', and neither one of them is unique. Anyone can be Bishop, the Stake President just has to feel that you have been "called"... Well, not "anyone", you do have to have advanced through the priesthood they have set up...


ox45tallboy: Perhaps they were wrong, but the 12-ft high walls surrounding the place and bunker-like appearance of the building itself said to me "withstand a siege".

Well, most likely that compound housed the Temple, which doesn't say 'siege' to me, an old church building, the Temple visitor's center, and the auditorium for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. The wall help keep vandals and burglars out(The statue on top DOES have real gold), it also makes sure that when you are visiting the Temple grounds, they can have the people with information brochures at specific spots, but it's really crappy as far as defense goes. It'll keep people out, but they don't have defensive positions to repel anybody, so they would be reduced to sitting and waiting. Defensively it sucks. Tour buddy was either screwing with you, or is just a but on the paranoid 'Mormons are out to get me' side. They aren't that scary of people, I moved here totally by choice, and with absolutely ZERO interest in joining their church, because they make great neighbors, they are extremely friendly, they are always there if you need help(Death in the family, house fire, natural disaster, etc), whether you are a church member or not, and because the crime is wonderfully low, especially compared to farking Phoenix, which is where I moved from.

They really aren't that bad of people, they don't have fangs, they can cross running water, eat garlic, and come out in daylight... ;-)


You've just described pretty much any religious sect, and any basically atheist group who were raised with a sense of ethics and morals outside of religion. The difference is that Mormons have chosen an even bigger leap of faith than most Christians, in that there is real evidence to show what a charlatan and child molester Joseph Smith really was. He was not a good person.

The reason I find this troubling is that I worry about people who must intentionally delude themselves in a fashion far in excess of, for example, Creationists. It boggles my mind that a reasonably intelligent person cannot face up to the facts of their own faith, more so when the facts are as clear as they are when it comes to the history of the LDS church.

Sure, your neighbors are great now, but what would happen if thei church leaders said to not be nice to you because you were in violation of church law? Having suspended their disbelief enough to swallow the Mormon pill, would they choose you over their leaders, just because?
 
2012-05-21 10:12:21 PM

PonceAlyosha: UCFRoadWarrior: Interesting WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today.

What....started a colony in Kenya? I missed that one

Are you saying that Romney and Obama are secretly twin brothers?


Well, they do both govern like Centrist Republicans.
 
2012-05-21 10:21:09 PM
You folks might want to read this
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2012-05-21 10:22:31 PM
This election is starting to weird me out. I'm going to go swift boat myself in the nuts.
 
2012-05-21 10:23:03 PM

rebelyell2006: For some reason westerners in the 19th-Century liked to kill outsiders square-head cocksuckas!

 
2012-05-21 10:43:38 PM
Subby: Derp! Article talks smack about Mormonism

TFA: There aren't many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism ...

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney's religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor. 


Sigh.
 
2012-05-21 10:59:00 PM

ox45tallboy: PonceAlyosha: UCFRoadWarrior: Interesting WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today.

What....started a colony in Kenya? I missed that one

Are you saying that Romney and Obama are secretly twin brothers?

Well, they do both govern like Centrist Republicans.


The socialist bastards.
 
2012-05-21 11:28:23 PM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Satanic_Hamster: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: LikeALeafOnTheWind: Someone really should bring up the Mormon principle of Blood Atonement. Back in the early days the church considered leaving the church much worse than death. If they thought you were scheming to leave a Death Angel would be assigned, probably one of your close friends, and it would be their duty to send you to your heavenly reward. Most modern day Mormons have no idea that this exists, but its real, the Mormons who do know really dont want to discuss it. I have ancestors that fled Utah in the middle of the night after being warned by the person who was assigned to be their death angel. ( at least that's the story grandma told us all )

Is that real? You could make a really really kickass movie about that.

Not really;
Blood Atonement

Check that wikipedia page for the part on Blood atonement for apostasy. Thats what im referring to. I was raised RLDS, my family goes pretty far back in that churches history. The stories i was told growing up was that some of our family had gone west with Brigham Young. They became disillusioned with the Utah church and wanted to return to Missouri. One day they were warned by a close friend to leave immediately as he had been assigned to be their death angel, and would have to kill them the next day. Granted, i have no proof of any of it, its a family story that has passed down several generations. but Thats my story and im stickin to it.


yes, i've heard those stories before too. the sons of dan are gonna get ya, get ya, get ya.

alpheus cutler does not agree
 
2012-05-21 11:31:40 PM

rebelyell2006: And never forget the Gainesville Hanging and the Nueces Massacre. For some reason westerners in the 19th-Century liked to kill outsiders.


Well look what happened when they stopped... its farking SWARMING with people out here.
 
2012-05-22 12:27:03 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: ulteriordesign: The politics tab seems to be stuck on stupid since this race started up. Is it just me or was it like this in 08?

It was like this in 08.


I remember it being slightly funnier. Wasn't the '08 League of Fail more amusingly dopey than this year's bunch?
 
2012-05-22 12:35:03 AM
This will be an interesting election to watch. Potheads are pissed because the Obama justice department has continued to prosecute drug offenders, tree huggers are pissed because he hasn't put the hammer on oil and gas exploartion, the evenagelicals hate Obama, yet are going to have a lot of trouble supporting Rmoney because he's a mormon. At this point, anything can happen. Interesting indeed
 
2012-05-22 12:48:44 AM

Bigdogdaddy: This will be an interesting election to watch. Potheads are pissed because the Obama justice department has continued to prosecute drug offenders,


Except in Alaska, for some goddamn reason.
 
2012-05-22 01:00:58 AM
What's so disingenuous about this line of attack is that it attempts to side-step the real rationale for making it: Mormonism is crazy. We don't need to be labeled bigots for saying as much. Look at the accepted scripture: a man conveniently found tablets only he could translate. That gave him the word of God ... that only he could bestow upon his followers. Of course, no one is willing to make this kind of criticism because we're so terrified of offending people, but that's the reality of it. Just the same, Jesus "resurrected" whilst Muhammad has an unhealthy apptite for 9 year old girls. Each is equally unbelievable or deplorable (mostly in that order--Muhammad's taste and opportunism the latter). It's what happens. Welcome to the asininity of religion.
 
2012-05-22 01:05:15 AM
Mitt Romney is the anti christ. At least that's what my dog told me.
 
2012-05-22 01:07:20 AM

phaseolus: Lenny_da_Hog: ulteriordesign: The politics tab seems to be stuck on stupid since this race started up. Is it just me or was it like this in 08?

It was like this in 08.

I remember it being slightly funnier. Wasn't the '08 League of Fail more amusingly dopey than this year's bunch?


Well, since neither the president nor the vice-president were running for the first time in forever, you had two separate Leagues of Fail. This year, the Democrats get to put it on cruise control while the Republicans try to out-derp each other.
 
2012-05-22 01:09:33 AM

advex101: Mitt Romney is the anti christ. At least that's what my dog told me.


media-cache0.pinterest.com
 
2012-05-22 01:15:10 AM

advex101: Mitt Romney is the anti christ. At least that's what my dog told me.


give that dog a steak

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-22 01:17:45 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Potheads are pissed because the Obama justice department has continued to prosecute drug offenders


"Pothead" is not exactly a huge voting block.
 
2012-05-22 01:20:52 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Of course, no one is willing to make this kind of criticism because we're so terrified of offending people, but that's the reality of it.


No, I think Mormonism is hokum. Worse, it's not socially redeemable hokum like most religions.

Also, I think you're an asshole, but that's neither here nor there.
 
2012-05-22 01:21:31 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Bigdogdaddy: Potheads are pissed because the Obama justice department has continued to prosecute drug offenders

"Pothead" is not exactly a huge voting block.


We tend not to be single issue voters.

/Silent majority.
 
2012-05-22 01:23:00 AM

Dwight_Yeast: "Pothead" is not exactly a huge voting block.


"Dude, it looks like the anti-pot guy is winning."

"Yeah, man, that sucks."

"Do you think we should like, go vote, or something?"

"Dude, the election was, like, yesterday."

"Bummer."
 
2012-05-22 01:27:02 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: What's so disingenuous about this line of attack is that it attempts to side-step the real rationale for making it: Mormonism is crazy. We don't need to be labeled bigots for saying as much. Look at the accepted scripture: a man conveniently found tablets only he could translate. That gave him the word of God ... that only he could bestow upon his followers. Of course, no one is willing to make this kind of criticism because we're so terrified of offending people, but that's the reality of it. Just the same, Jesus "resurrected" whilst Muhammad has an unhealthy apptite for 9 year old girls. Each is equally unbelievable or deplorable (mostly in that order--Muhammad's taste and opportunism the latter). It's what happens. Welcome to the asininity of religion.


Hey, I've openly called Joseph Smith a Bad Person in this thread several times already, and made reference to his preference for young girls (and lots of them). Don't tell me I'm disingenuous about my dislike for this "religion".
 
2012-05-22 01:27:30 AM

SithLord: NateGrey: I am a little concerned if Mitt Romney becomes President.

Do we all have to wear magic under garments? Will there be a constitutional amendment?

This also concerns me:

He told me that there was a council room up there which was an exact replica of the Oval Office of the White House. He told me they even had all the radio and telemetry equipment in place, hidden beneath a dome on top of the temple. He said that from this council room, the prophet could run the nation just as easily as he could from the White House itself. He also claimed that these electronic devices on the roof were so strong that airlines had to avoid flying right over the temple or their instruments might be thrown off.

The concern is thus that Romney, way back when, took an oath to the Church as first and foremost, all other oaths are secondary. This in turn, would include the one he could take in January.


Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Well then I'm not surprised the rest of the evangelical dominionist a-holes out there have a problem with Romney. Saving the world from itself and ruling over God's Kingdom on Earth is supposed to be their gig, not a job for a bunch of upstart Children Of The Corn lookalikes from Utah.

Oh Lord Jesus, save me from your followers, for they are surely dumber than the hammer with which we nailed you to your cross.


Tarl3k: Did you find that linked from the timecube?


I was wondering that myself. I'm pretty sure that the Salt Lake City Temple has no domes on top or anywhere else. It has pointy spires (six of them). That right there tends to render NateGrey's quote and its source questionable at best.
 
2012-05-22 01:30:34 AM

COMALite J: I was wondering that myself. I'm pretty sure that the Salt Lake City Temple has no domes on top or anywhere else. It has pointy spires (six of them). That right there tends to render NateGrey's quote and its source questionable at best.


If you could read that entire quote without it setting off your BS/fan fiction detector you need a new one.
 
2012-05-22 01:34:00 AM

ox45tallboy: The difference is that Mormons have chosen an even bigger leap of faith than most Christians, in that there is real evidence to show what a charlatan and child molester Joseph Smith really was. He was not a good person.


Charlatan, perhaps, but where do you get "child molester" from? Keep in mind that age thirteen was considered marriagable age for girls (and even boys in some societies including Judaism − 12 for girls for them) for most of human civilization, including our own, until the Victorian Age (well after Joseph Smith's time) pretty much invented the concept of the "teenager" as an in-between stage between full childhood and full adulthood.
 
2012-05-22 01:34:08 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Of course, no one is willing to make this kind of criticism because we're so terrified of offending people, but that's the reality of it.

No, I think Mormonism is hokum. Worse, it's not socially redeemable hokum like most religions.

Also, I think you're an asshole, but that's neither here nor there.


Oh, I am. I don't dispute as much. Of course, I'm an equal-opportunity asshole. Islam was spread through conquest of the Eastern Roman Empire and Sassanids. They butchered people as far as Iberia and the Indus, eventually converting the local population through discriminatory policies that offered large incentives for conversion. It's not bigotry. It's history. Christendom launched the Crusades in an equally barbaric fashion. It's what people, not necessarily religion, do.
 
2012-05-22 01:38:23 AM

COMALite J: I was wondering that myself. I'm pretty sure that the Salt Lake City Temple has no domes on top or anywhere else. It has pointy spires (six of them). That right there tends to render NateGrey's quote and its source questionable at best.


It's still a farked up system of belief founded by a charlatan to justify his desire for farking young girls. I don't care what kind of spires or whatever they have, I've heard the rumors about weapons caches and I've seen the scary looking fortress in SLC, and my main concern is still the fact that this "religion" was founded by a guy in order to justify his desire to fark little girls.

Here's the Temple:

farm1.static.flickr.com

As for the Tabernacle, it's basically one big giant dome (for the acoustics; the Tabernacle Choir performs there):

blog.petaflop.de

I'm not necessarily a Mormon conspiracy theorist myself, but the architecture is not a reason to discount this guy.
 
2012-05-22 01:45:59 AM

COMALite J: ox45tallboy: The difference is that Mormons have chosen an even bigger leap of faith than most Christians, in that there is real evidence to show what a charlatan and child molester Joseph Smith really was. He was not a good person.

Charlatan, perhaps, but where do you get "child molester" from? Keep in mind that age thirteen was considered marriagable age for girls (and even boys in some societies including Judaism − 12 for girls for them) for most of human civilization, including our own, until the Victorian Age (well after Joseph Smith's time) pretty much invented the concept of the "teenager" as an in-between stage between full childhood and full adulthood.


Exactly. But Joseph Smith is supposed to be a prophet, which means he should stand for universal divine truth. If universal divine truth is fine with farking 13 year olds, why is it a problem now? Why do they discount such behavior?

You know why? Because religious people don't care about anything but power.
 
2012-05-22 01:47:59 AM

PonceAlyosha: You know why? Because religious people don't care about anything but power.


Thank you, tip your waitress.
 
2012-05-22 01:52:31 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: You know what I've always wondered? Who made God? Who was God's mom? Did she have big titties? She would have had to, to breastfeed God, because I bet God is huge, and His appetite for milk when He was BabyGod must have been enormous. I bet God's Mom's rack is just INSANE.


You do have an enormous talent for typing disjointed insane bullshiat, I'll give you that.
 
2012-05-22 01:57:46 AM

COMALite J: ox45tallboy: The difference is that Mormons have chosen an even bigger leap of faith than most Christians, in that there is real evidence to show what a charlatan and child molester Joseph Smith really was. He was not a good person.

Charlatan, perhaps, but where do you get "child molester" from? Keep in mind that age thirteen was considered marriagable age for girls (and even boys in some societies including Judaism − 12 for girls for them) for most of human civilization, including our own, until the Victorian Age (well after Joseph Smith's time) pretty much invented the concept of the "teenager" as an in-between stage between full childhood and full adulthood.


You make a good point; many of his wives were at least in their late 20's and even older. I think the youngest was 14, which most people at that time considered "marriageable age", especially in the frontier areas where the LDS church grew.

But there's a certain, hmmm... difference, I guess? When it's your adopted daughters. Several times over.

Link

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Look, I can't argue that kids were often married at the age of 14. But they also had slavery back then, too, and plenty of people that opposed slavery, just as they had plenty of people that opposed middle-aged men "marrying" little girls at the age of 14, especially when they already had a couple dozen wives and tried to say they has some kind of "Revelation From God" to justify it.
 
2012-05-22 01:58:51 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: PonceAlyosha: You know why? Because religious people don't care about anything but power.

Thank you, tip your waitress.


I don't care about power, I care about getting my dick wet. Because I can do that, I don't need power.
 
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