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(The Weekly Standard)   WaPo has decided that something a small group of Mormons did back over 150 years ago is relevant to Romney today. So when are they bringing up Obama's Grandpa Jefferson Davis   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 234
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2012-05-21 03:38:49 PM  
which they have come to call "the first 9/11."

Never fergit
 
2012-05-21 04:08:54 PM  
meadow something massacre? click... yup

/The Mormon Forgeries are more interesting
 
2012-05-21 04:09:49 PM  
I find mormonism no more silly than any other, what scares me about Romney is his economic policies and economic advisers are identical to Bush Jr's
 
2012-05-21 04:10:00 PM  
People in Arkansas might be prejudiced against someone for stupid reasons. News and weather with Wink Rinkler at 11.
 
2012-05-21 04:11:12 PM  
I think there were earlier first 9/11's

edu.glogster.com
 
2012-05-21 04:12:13 PM  
And never forget the Gainesville Hanging and the Nueces Massacre. For some reason westerners in the 19th-Century liked to kill outsiders.
 
2012-05-21 04:12:23 PM  

Citrate1007: I find mormonism no more silly than any other, what scares me about Romney is his economic policies and economic advisers are identical to Bush Jr's


Plus Romney's 'social' policies are far worse.

And Romney doesn't even seem to have foreign policies, aside from pushing for the opposite of whatever Obama's doing at the moment.
 
2012-05-21 04:13:57 PM  
I really don't understand how this gets classified as an attack on Romney's Morman faith on the part of WaPo.

There aren't many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism - and potentially more problematic for Mitt Romney, who is seeking to become the country's first Mormon president. Not only do many here retain a personal antipathy toward the religion and its followers, but they also tend to be Christian evangelicals, many of whom view Mormonism as a cult.

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney's religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.


If anything it seems to be sympathetic to Romney because of the suspicion that his faith brings out in some people.
 
2012-05-21 04:17:27 PM  
Can we all please just agree that all religions are dumb and out-dated already? Please? We have science to benefit from and reality to experience.
 
2012-05-21 04:17:57 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: I really don't understand how this gets classified as an attack on Romney's Morman faith on the part of WaPo.

There aren't many places in America more likely to be suspicious of Mormonism - and potentially more problematic for Mitt Romney, who is seeking to become the country's first Mormon president. Not only do many here retain a personal antipathy toward the religion and its followers, but they also tend to be Christian evangelicals, many of whom view Mormonism as a cult.

And yet, there is scant evidence that Romney's religion is making much difference in how voters here are thinking about the presidential election and whether they are willing to back the former Massachusetts governor.

If anything it seems to be sympathetic to Romney because of the suspicion that his faith brings out in some people.


I have a Protestant co-worker who has had a few rants against Catholics for not being an inclusive religion and for setting up too much judgmental barriers towards having non-Catholics take part of their services. She'd brag about how tolerant and inclusive her church is.

This morning she ranted on how Mormons aren't Christians, they're a cult who worship a false god and they're not followers of Jesus Christ.
 
2012-05-21 04:18:03 PM  

vernonFL: which they have come to call "the first 9/11."

Never fergit


skullkrusher: I think there were earlier first 9/11's

[edu.glogster.com image 640x326]


Well, the Mountain Meadows Massacre actually was on 9/11/1857!

One loon has used this to try to say that Mormons were really the ones behind 9/11/2001, too. Oh, yeah, and the Oklahoma City bombing.
 
2012-05-21 04:18:05 PM  
well all know, killing of Americans in terrorist acts is perfectly fine as long as it isn't a Muslim doing the killing. DUH What is this, the 1890's?
 
2012-05-21 04:18:58 PM  
I wouldn't vote Romney for PTA secretary, but this is an absolutely ridiculous attack to make. Here in Utah though, the Anti-Mormons continually bring it up to try and marginalize the Mormons, so I'm used to it. Doesn't make it any less ridiculous though.
 
2012-05-21 04:19:21 PM  
A small group acting on orders of the founder of the church, according to some.

Oh and the plan was to blame it on Indians. The more things change, the more they suck.
 
2012-05-21 04:19:28 PM  
There are numerous valid reasons to hate Romney

/this is not one of them
 
2012-05-21 04:19:59 PM  

COMALite J: Well, the Mountain Meadows Massacre actually was on 9/11/1857!


oooh... that makes more sense then :)
 
2012-05-21 04:20:34 PM  

skullkrusher: COMALite J: Well, the Mountain Meadows Massacre actually was on 9/11/1857!

oooh... that makes more sense then :)


kinda glossed over the date there. Oops
 
2012-05-21 04:23:13 PM  
Barack Obama's grandfather fought in WWII. How will this affect his relationship with Angela Merkel?
 
2012-05-21 04:23:24 PM  

Alphax: Citrate1007: I find mormonism no more silly than any other, what scares me about Romney is his economic policies and economic advisers are identical to Bush Jr's

Plus Romney's 'social' policies are far worse.

And Romney doesn't even seem to have foreign policies, aside from pushing for the opposite of whatever Obama's doing at the moment.


I don't think Romney and the Republican Party have no foreign policy. I just think it's hard to outright say that we should do exactly what Israel tells us to do and be willing to nuke every other country on the planet at a moment's notice.
 
2012-05-21 04:23:31 PM  

imontheinternet: People in Arkansas might be prejudiced against someone for stupid reasons. News and weather with Wink Rinkler at 11.


Chuy Tannen on sports!
 
2012-05-21 04:24:24 PM  
Lets face it, Mormonism is a kooky cult with a a sometimes unpleasant past history.


and so is every other religion. !
 
2012-05-21 04:24:56 PM  
"NAIROBI, May 18 (AlertNet) - When Nyajany Kutil left Kenya's Kakuma refugee camp to return home to South Sudan in 2008, she did not imagine that war would force her back across the border again so soon.

But the exodus is repeating itself less than a year after South Sudan celebrated its independence from Sudan, dashing hopes of an end to five decades of war.

About 1,200 South Sudanese refugees are arriving in Kakuma camp each month, fleeing conflict and hunger in the world's newest nation.

"When I came here in 2005, we had a lot of war," Kutil, 20, said, seated on a wooden bench with her five-year-old daughter, waiting to register with Kenya's Department of Refugee Affairs.

Kutil's parents were killed in a night-time raid on their village, forcing the teenage girl to seek sanctuary in Kakuma, 120 km (75 miles) south of the border.

In 2008, she and her two young daughters were among the 50,000 South Sudanese refugees repatriated from Kenya, keen to rebuild their lives following a 2005 peace deal which led to a referendum on southern independence last July.

"When I returned to Sudan, I got the same war. So I am here. I don't have any other place to go," Kutil said."

Well, at least Utah is a stable country now. Your move, Mr. Kenyan President.
 
2012-05-21 04:26:25 PM  
Yet another examine of why PACs should be banned from political speech.

Wait... News corp? Nevermind. They good.
 
2012-05-21 04:26:29 PM  

vernonFL: Lets face it, Mormonism is a kooky cult with a a sometimes unpleasant past history.


and so is every other religion. !


This, oh so much this
 
2012-05-21 04:27:12 PM  
The problem isn't what some Mormon did 150 years ago.

The problem is Mormon Romney stating in front of a group of people and saying that marriage has been between and man and a woman, and it's been that way for 2,500 years, without explaining why only 150 years ago his Mormon great grandfather left the united states to practice polygamy. (Thats not even mentioning the changing definition in the billion other sects of Christianity over the years)

Facts are pesky things. You can't just make them up. And if you're going to spew wargarble, prepare for the shiat storm incoming.
 
2012-05-21 04:27:20 PM  

COMALite J: vernonFL: which they have come to call "the first 9/11."

Never fergit

skullkrusher: I think there were earlier first 9/11's

[edu.glogster.com image 640x326]

Well, the Mountain Meadows Massacre actually was on 9/11/1857!

One loon has used this to try to say that Mormons were really the ones behind 9/11/2001, too. Oh, yeah, and the Oklahoma City bombing.


i290.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-21 04:28:41 PM  

Mikey1969: I wouldn't vote Romney for PTA secretary, but this is an absolutely ridiculous attack to make. Here in Utah though, the Anti-Mormons continually bring it up to try and marginalize the Mormons, so I'm used to it. Doesn't make it any less ridiculous though.


What attack?

/Serious
 
2012-05-21 04:29:51 PM  
Remember when everyone made fun of John Kerry because he was "French"

Mitt Romney lived in France for 3 years and speaks French.

Maybe that is why they hate him?
 
2012-05-21 04:31:59 PM  
If stupid attacks and hyperbole didn't work the republicans wouldn't be able to set the narrative all the time. You gotta play to your audience...
 
2012-05-21 04:33:23 PM  
Romneycare, responsible for auto bailouts which he takes a lot of credit for. I can't wait until he's President and can really get his socialism on.
 
2012-05-21 04:34:46 PM  

PonceAlyosha: [George Washington 9/11]


Nah. That happened on Christmas Eve. Here is the proper way to depict that event:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-21 04:35:07 PM  
Which Mormon is in charge of this planet?

In Mormonism, the good exalted Mormons each get their own planet to run after they die, right?

So who got Earth?

And why is he/she doing such a shiatty job with it?
 
2012-05-21 04:35:26 PM  

rebelyell2006: And never forget the Gainesville Hanging and the Nueces Massacre. For some reason westerners in the 19th-Century liked to kill outsiders.


to be fair, everyone liked killing pretty much everyone else during all times in history.
 
2012-05-21 04:36:37 PM  
Damn you Romney and your time machine!!
 
2012-05-21 04:39:39 PM  

vernonFL: Remember when everyone made fun of John Kerry because he was "French"

Mitt Romney lived in France for 3 years and speaks French.

Maybe that is why they hate him?


Actually, they said Kerry 'looked' French. Which didn't seem like much of an insult to me. Angelina Jolie looks French.
 
2012-05-21 04:41:24 PM  
can we talk about Almon Babbitt and the Sons of Dan?
 
2012-05-21 04:46:48 PM  
So between a Mormon and a Muslim, who's a red-blooded American supposed to vote for this coming November? One is a godless heathen, and the other is . . . well, a godless heathen.
 
2012-05-21 04:47:51 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Which Mormon is in charge of this planet?

In Mormonism, the good exalted Mormons each get their own planet to run after they die, right?

So who got Earth?

And why is he/she doing such a shiatty job with it?


That's the alien entity they call God. Jehovah to some. Allah to others.

Secondly, before the entire ordeal, Brigham Young pardoned the settlers to move past the Deseret territory and continue going out towards California, but somebody didn't get the memo.
 
2012-05-21 04:48:30 PM  

CrackpipeCardozo: So between a Mormon and a Muslim, who's a red-blooded American supposed to vote for this coming November? One is a godless heathen, and the other is . . . well, a godless heathen.


It's called Guided Democracy.
 
MFL
2012-05-21 04:50:30 PM  
Progressive evolution = Attack.....attack.....atterp ......aderp.....derp.....
 
2012-05-21 04:50:48 PM  

Serious Black: I don't think Romney and the Republican Party have no foreign policy. I just think it's hard to outright say that we should do exactly what Israel tells us to do and be willing to nuke every other country on the planet at a moment's notice.


At the bar this weekend some Jewish guy was saying the united states should have a pow-wow with Israel and be like, "here's the deal, we're gonna go get a cup of coffee, DO NOT *wink wink* blow shiat up" and then turn around and act all surprised when they let loose on those around them.

Not gonna lie, I kinda chuckled at it.
 
2012-05-21 04:51:16 PM  
Also from the original article:

In another quirk of history, both of the main presidential candidates have ties to this region. Parley Pratt, an ancestor of Romney's and an esteemed figure in the Mormon Church, was murdered in Arkansas shortly before the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Historians have speculated that anger over this killing may have played a part in the massacre.

And in a cemetery nearby is buried Nathaniel Bunch, an ancestor of Obama's, according to local genealogists, who say Bunch was a contemporary of the wagon train emigrants.

Some here also are skeptical of the president's faith, believing their choice this fall is between a Mormon and a Muslim (Obama has repeatedly affirmed his Christian faith).
 
2012-05-21 04:52:47 PM  

babygoat: Mikey1969: I wouldn't vote Romney for PTA secretary, but this is an absolutely ridiculous attack to make. Here in Utah though, the Anti-Mormons continually bring it up to try and marginalize the Mormons, so I'm used to it. Doesn't make it any less ridiculous though.

What attack?

/Serious


In UTAH? Isn't that a little like:

t1.gstatic.com

substituting LDS for Christians on the chart?
 
2012-05-21 04:52:54 PM  

babygoat: What attack?

/Serious


Yeah, because they just innocently brought it up out of the blure for no reason, to make sure the whole country was aware of the issue. You're right.
 
2012-05-21 04:55:12 PM  

Mikey1969: babygoat: What attack?

/Serious

Yeah, because they just innocently brought it up out of the blure for no reason, to make sure the whole country was aware of the issue. You're right.


So the media should not report on evangelical concerns about Romney's faith?

Is this a "You're racist for pointing out racism?"
 
2012-05-21 04:55:40 PM  
 
2012-05-21 04:56:30 PM  

SithLord: It's called Guided Democracy.


So authoritarianism is tantamount to godless heathenism? Well I'll be goddamned.

Looks like I'll be staying home this election season; the wife could use the extra hard beating anyways.
 
2012-05-21 04:57:19 PM  

Alphax: Citrate1007: I find mormonism no more silly than any other, what scares me about Romney is his economic policies and economic advisers are identical to Bush Jr's

Plus Romney's 'social' policies are far worse.

And Romney doesn't even seem to have foreign policies, aside from pushing for the opposite of whatever Obama's doing at the moment.


Actually his foreign policy team contains many of the same neocons who advised Bush.
 
2012-05-21 04:58:03 PM  

NateGrey: I am a little concerned if Mitt Romney becomes President.

Do we all have to wear magic under garments? Will there be a constitutional amendment?

This also concerns me:

He told me that there was a council room up there which was an exact replica of the Oval Office of the White House. He told me they even had all the radio and telemetry equipment in place, hidden beneath a dome on top of the temple. He said that from this council room, the prophet could run the nation just as easily as he could from the White House itself. He also claimed that these electronic devices on the roof were so strong that airlines had to avoid flying right over the temple or their instruments might be thrown off.


The concern is thus that Romney, way back when, took an oath to the Church as first and foremost, all other oaths are secondary. This in turn, would include the one he could take in January.
 
2012-05-21 04:58:44 PM  

Parthenogenetic: PonceAlyosha: [George Washington 9/11]

Nah. That happened on Christmas Eve. Here is the proper way to depict that event:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Didn't they actually walk across the frozen river... on the 26th?
 
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