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2012-05-21 05:47:17 PM

DeaH: derpdeederp: DeaH
I feel sorry for the poor kid in the article. He clearly hasn't learned any sort of judgement (Obama feeling bad about hurting someone not the same as Romney not feeling bad about - or bothering to remember - terrorizing a kid). No way does this kid have a chance. Obviously, his home life is morally bankrupt, and his teacher is an idiot who can't even argue with a dumbass teenager.

Sooo, attacking a kids morality to support Obama isnt morally bankrupt?

Nice try. No, the kid is morally disabled because he cannot tell the difference between doing something wrong as an impulse of the moment, learning from it, and openly admitting it is wrong versus a guy who organized a gang to attack some guy he thought had girly hair, attacked said girly guy with scissors, and has no memory nor remorse about the situation. If the child is over 12, he ought to have developed enough morally to see the difference. The kid's culpability is lessened somewhat by the fact that child does not seem to have any adult guidance in his life to help him learn. That makes me sad for the young man in the story.

Of course, assuming you are an adult, you're in a worse position. You're not a kid, and you clearly do not see the difference. Then you reply in the weaseliest way possible by not using the reply feature (so I will not get an alert of your ::ahem:: thoughts). And you spin this as an attack on the child, rather than concern for him being so morally off-course. So, you're a coward and an ignoramus. And possibly a bit sociopath. You have been marked in yellow to identify as all three for future reference.


Lets get back to the real issue here. The teacher is trying to scare/brainwash children with moronic lies to support "her" political candidate.
 
2012-05-21 05:56:20 PM
You know, it's funny. I was just talking about this with my doctor during my recent trans-vaginal ultrasound.
 
2012-05-21 05:59:37 PM
The butt hurt left have no problem with this. This is their idol. They just don't want to admit they side with the teacher so they attack the messenger. You all deserve the horrible tyrant that will eventually take over the country using the powers Bush and Obama left him or her.
 
2012-05-21 06:12:22 PM

DeaH:
Of course, assuming you are an adult, you're in a worse position. You're not a kid, and you clearly do not see the difference. Then you reply in the weaseliest way possible by not using the reply feature (so I will not get an alert of your ::ahem:: thoughts). And you spin this as an attack on the child, rather than concern for him being so morally off-course. So, you're a coward and an ignoramus. And possibly a bit sociopath. You have been marked in yellow to identify as all three for future reference.


Oddly enough, this argument works for the teacher more so than the person you're castigating.

As someone on the right of the aisle, this would have been a nifty little teaching moment for the kids to show that yeah, everyone does something bad at least once in life. Odds are we're done stupid stuff as well. What defines us to others (and to ourselves) is how we acknowledge it, how we learn from it, and how we move on with those lessons learned.

The teacher could have used the moment to show why she is a fan of President Obama. She could have also used the moment to show how both men have taken different paths in life, but have led admirable lives (despite different political leanings, philosophies, and backgrounds). She could have also used the moment to show why she is not a fan of Romney (using many of the same statements that farkers here have been using).

Instead it appears that the teacher preferred the path where nothing is learned save that adults can be as capricious and dumb as children, and that if you don't agree with an authority figure, that you'll automatically be treated poorly. Great lesson from someone who is supposed to be getting you to open your mind to new ideas and concepts.

Seriously, people acting dumb over their personal politics? I'm shocked.

/there's good and bad attributes for both Romney and President Obama. Why not discuss those?
//the subtle threat to the student was totally inappropriate
///had the student made an actual threat, then it's a different story, but this teacher got trolled... plain and simple
 
2012-05-21 06:16:13 PM

Nemo's Brother: The butt hurt left have no problem with this. This is their idol. They just don't want to admit they side with the teacher so they attack the messenger. You all deserve the horrible tyrant that will eventually take over the country using the powers Bush and Obama left him or her.


0/10

I'd give you a negative numbers but my scoring system doesn't work that way.

You'd have a better chance of convincing me if you just smashed your hand on the keyboard.
 
2012-05-21 06:20:51 PM

skilbride: You know if it was a teacher saying something about how Romney was the only way though, Fark would green light it and everyone would be saying that the teacher should be drawn and quartered for hating America.


Nah, most liberals aren't in favor of executing the retarded and mentally ill.
 
2012-05-21 06:31:12 PM

Nemo's Brother: You all deserve the horrible tyrant that will eventually take over the country using the powers Bush and Obama left him or her.


Are you writing for a comic book or something?
Do you have a gloom and doom blog about the New World Order?
 
2012-05-21 06:46:27 PM
She's been suspended, with pay.

Link
 
2012-05-21 06:58:18 PM

slayer199: cameroncrazy1984: How about, instead of pretending that both sides are equal, we teach kids how to think critically about what they hear and read?

That means both sides are open to criticism. The important thing to teach is being able to defend your arguments.

And in my view, both sides ARE equal...equally bad...2 sides of the same coin.


That is because your view is untempered by things such as "evidence" or "facts"

If you had access to either of those things, you'd realize there's no such thing as only two sides.
 
2012-05-21 06:59:24 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Is it just teachers we should be outing? Should their be a thread if you make a mistake at work? How much news coverage should your errors get?


Anyone who has a powerful political lobby working on their behalf trying to separate taxpayers from their money should be fair game.
 
2012-05-21 07:04:13 PM

derpdeederp: Lol, wow, must have struck a nerve there. So where is this reply feature that you speak of, it must be my moral compass misdirecting me from it. The kid was right, if you bring up the past of your candidates opponent you should be open to bring up the past of your candidate, if not, whats the point of debate. But keep farking that chicken, your blind moral superiority makes you no better than religious bigots.


The kid was wrong to think they are morally equivalent. So are you. You'll notice I am not defending the teacher. The teacher is both stupid and an ass. And I never said you cannot discuss the history of either candidate. That's idiotic. Bring them both up, but don't pretend they are morally equivalent. The kid is absolutely wrong if he thinks there is moral equality between the Obama incident and the Romney incident. I am not attacking the child by pointing out he is wrong, which he is. I am lamenting the fact that there is no competent adult in his life to correct his moral misconceptions. Yes, one can bring up both incidents, but one would have to be very young (as in the child's case) or a moral imbecile (as would be the case with any adult) to believe the two incidents are morally equivalent. One case showed no premeditation, there was remorse, and the person did not try to hide his action, but, rather, accepted full responsibility. Hell, he tattled on himself. In the other case, there was premeditation and planning, there was no remorse, and the person committing the act either cannot remember it or chooses to hide it. They are very different cases, and, yes, people, like you, who act as if they are the morally equivalent are displaying sociopathic tendencies. People should also look into your seeming fascination with having intercourse with livestock.

The reply feature is the quote mark button. It will quote an entire post. You can also highlight a portion of the post, hit the quote button, and that portion of of the post with copy into your reply. Either way, the person to whom you're replying will get an email if notifications are turned on. I apologize for calling you cowardly if you really haven't figured this out in the year-and-a-half that you've been on Fark. I don't see any reason to change the rest of the label based on the content of your posts. If you really see no moral difference between the two events, you've got serious problems. I suspect those around you have problems, too. And, yes, it gets to me. It would get to any decent person.
 
2012-05-21 07:06:26 PM

I alone am best: DeaH: derpdeederp: DeaH
I feel sorry for the poor kid in the article. He clearly hasn't learned any sort of judgement (Obama feeling bad about hurting someone not the same as Romney not feeling bad about - or bothering to remember - terrorizing a kid). No way does this kid have a chance. Obviously, his home life is morally bankrupt, and his teacher is an idiot who can't even argue with a dumbass teenager.

Sooo, attacking a kids morality to support Obama isnt morally bankrupt?

Nice try. No, the kid is morally disabled because he cannot tell the difference between doing something wrong as an impulse of the moment, learning from it, and openly admitting it is wrong versus a guy who organized a gang to attack some guy he thought had girly hair, attacked said girly guy with scissors, and has no memory nor remorse about the situation. If the child is over 12, he ought to have developed enough morally to see the difference. The kid's culpability is lessened somewhat by the fact that child does not seem to have any adult guidance in his life to help him learn. That makes me sad for the young man in the story.

Of course, assuming you are an adult, you're in a worse position. You're not a kid, and you clearly do not see the difference. Then you reply in the weaseliest way possible by not using the reply feature (so I will not get an alert of your ::ahem:: thoughts). And you spin this as an attack on the child, rather than concern for him being so morally off-course. So, you're a coward and an ignoramus. And possibly a bit sociopath. You have been marked in yellow to identify as all three for future reference.

Lets get back to the real issue here. The teacher is trying to scare/brainwash children with moronic lies to support "her" political candidate.


Yeah, she sucks. And she is too stupid to be a teacher.
 
2012-05-21 07:08:02 PM

DeaH: The kid is absolutely wrong if he thinks there is moral equality between the Obama incident and the Romney incident.


Why do you believe a discussion comparing two events requires morally equivalency?
 
2012-05-21 07:10:00 PM

GoldSpider: Why do you believe a discussion comparing two events requires morally equivalency?


Er "moral"....
 
2012-05-21 07:11:21 PM

the_ut_tick: you know what is really disturbing about this video? The fact that anyone in their right minds would consider this to be a "classroom" where anyone "learns" anything. A social studies class where you have a "fact of the day" and that "fact" is that Mitt Romney was a bully in high school? What the hell are these people learning? What text book are they using? What do their "exams" consist of? They get to swear in class?


Oh, here we go again.

I know I certainly never swore in class. And I didn't sit in cars with boys either.
 
2012-05-21 07:14:17 PM

meathome: DeaH:
Of course, assuming you are an adult, you're in a worse position. You're not a kid, and you clearly do not see the difference. Then you reply in the weaseliest way possible by not using the reply feature (so I will not get an alert of your ::ahem:: thoughts). And you spin this as an attack on the child, rather than concern for him being so morally off-course. So, you're a coward and an ignoramus. And possibly a bit sociopath. You have been marked in yellow to identify as all three for future reference.

Oddly enough, this argument works for the teacher more so than the person you're castigating.

As someone on the right of the aisle, this would have been a nifty little teaching moment for the kids to show that yeah, everyone does something bad at least once in life. Odds are we're done stupid stuff as well. What defines us to others (and to ourselves) is how we acknowledge it, how we learn from it, and how we move on with those lessons learned.

The teacher could have used the moment to show why she is a fan of President Obama. She could have also used the moment to show how both men have taken different paths in life, but have led admirable lives (despite different political leanings, philosophies, and backgrounds). She could have also used the moment to show why she is not a fan of Romney (using many of the same statements that farkers here have been using).

Instead it appears that the teacher preferred the path where nothing is learned save that adults can be as capricious and dumb as children, and that if you don't agree with an authority figure, that you'll automatically be treated poorly. Great lesson from someone who is supposed to be getting you to open your mind to new ideas and concepts.

Seriously, people acting dumb over their personal politics? I'm shocked.

/there's good and bad attributes for both Romney and President Obama. Why not discuss those?
//the subtle threat to the student was totally inappropriate
///had the student made an ac ...


I agree with you on all the points you brought up. I agree with your conclusions, too. The teacher deserves to lose her job, mostly for blowing a true teaching moment, in my opinion. And the idiotic threat was was a worse version of, "It'll go on your permanent record." That's always a sign that the person has been outclassed - and she was outclassed by a kid who isn't even able to make real moral distinctions! She does not belong in the classroom.

I think it is really important for kids to realize that they can make mistakes, own them, learn from them, and grow. The bad thing is when people don't outgrow their high school messes because they think this is how the world should really be run. Teachers are supposed to guide students, teach them to think and morally reflect. Instead, this kids views are just reinforced by an idiot adult.
 
2012-05-21 07:15:08 PM

the_ut_tick: you know what is really disturbing about this video? The fact that anyone in their right minds would consider this to be a "classroom" where anyone "learns" anything. A social studies class where you have a "fact of the day" and that "fact" is that Mitt Romney was a bully in high school? What the hell are these people learning? What text book are they using? What do their "exams" consist of? They get to swear in class?


Evidently there isn't enough money making its way into that classroom.
 
2012-05-21 07:15:56 PM

GoldSpider: DeaH: The kid is absolutely wrong if he thinks there is moral equality between the Obama incident and the Romney incident.

Why do you believe a discussion comparing two events requires morally equivalency?


Because the child in the article was making a moral equivalency between the two. Just curious, what would be the point in bringing up the two other than to show that one was dealt with in a far better manner?
 
2012-05-21 07:21:25 PM

DeaH: Just curious, what would be the point in bringing up the two other than to show that one was dealt with in a far better manner?


That would have been a far more coherent rebuttal by the teacher. A teachable moment lost to rabid, irrational partisanship.
 
2012-05-21 07:30:07 PM

Nemo's Brother: You all deserve the horrible tyrant that will eventually take over the country using the powers Bush and Obama left him or her.


Isn't ()bama already said horrible tyrant? Or is this "ineffectual empty-suit milquetoast" week?
 
2012-05-21 07:35:15 PM

Lunaville: I remember adults advising me that English was a very transferable, flexible degree. I was told that English majors are highly valued by the business community because of their writing skills. I recall one individual declaring "Oh, you can do anything with an English degree!"

I tell my kids a very transferable, flexible degree may lack focus on specific marketable skill sets.

I advise my kids that everyone going through college takes a certain number of English classes. You'd be hard pressed to find, for instance, a Certified Public Accountant, who can't write well enough, when necessary, to perform his/her job. A business is not going to hire someone for the sole purpose of writing up someone else's missives.

I warn my kids if a major will, purportedly, allow you to "do anything" there is a fair chance it will prepare you for little to nothing in the working world and you will spend your post-graduate years perfect folding at the GAP to pay off student loans.


My father learned a specific marketable skill in college - he took a three credit class on how to operate a slide rule. Unfortunately, that specific marketable skill lost most of its value a few years later. On the other hand, the Dean of Admissions at my law school once mentioned that she gave particular attention to applicants whose undergraduate degrees were in music - she felt that many of the skills they learned (extraordinary discipline; the ability to work as a team among colleagues with outsized egos) were important in law school and then later in practice. I recently met a very successful international investment banker whose academic credentials were limited to a Ph.D. in philosophy.

I submit that there are only three specific marketable skills which guarantee financial and professional success: the skill of being physically attractive, the skill of being unscrupulously ruthless, and the skill of being personally well acquainted with a number of people who attended Harvard. Beyond that, it's all just a crapshoot.

/Yes, I know - the plural of "anecdote" is not "data"
//The plural of Data, however, is Lore
 
2012-05-21 08:04:20 PM

BMulligan: Lunaville: I remember adults advising me that English was a very transferable, flexible degree. I was told that English majors are highly valued by the business community because of their writing skills. I recall one individual declaring "Oh, you can do anything with an English degree!"

I tell my kids a very transferable, flexible degree may lack focus on specific marketable skill sets.

I advise my kids that everyone going through college takes a certain number of English classes. You'd be hard pressed to find, for instance, a Certified Public Accountant, who can't write well enough, when necessary, to perform his/her job. A business is not going to hire someone for the sole purpose of writing up someone else's missives.

I warn my kids if a major will, purportedly, allow you to "do anything" there is a fair chance it will prepare you for little to nothing in the working world and you will spend your post-graduate years perfect folding at the GAP to pay off student loans.

My father learned a specific marketable skill in college - he took a three credit class on how to operate a slide rule. Unfortunately, that specific marketable skill lost most of its value a few years later. On the other hand, the Dean of Admissions at my law school once mentioned that she gave particular attention to applicants whose undergraduate degrees were in music - she felt that many of the skills they learned (extraordinary discipline; the ability to work as a team among colleagues with outsized egos) were important in law school and then later in practice. I recently met a very successful international investment banker whose academic credentials were limited to a Ph.D. in philosophy.

I submit that there are only three specific marketable skills which guarantee financial and professional success: the skill of being physically attractive, the skill of being unscrupulously ruthless, and the skill of being personally well acquainted with a number of people who attended Harvard. Beyond tha ...


Hmm, I'm going to have to mull your post over for a while.
 
2012-05-21 08:17:42 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Is it just teachers we should be outing? Should their [sic] be a thread if you make a mistake at work? How much news coverage should your errors get?


"Should"?

If you do or say something moronic enough to become an Official Internet Dumbass, there is no prescribed level of attention you "should" get. This is the Internet, and you cannot dictate what people decide to read and talk about.

Nor is it unfair if people laugh at your mistakes without devoting an equal amount of attention to everyone else's. I thought liberals were all opposed to that sort of Fox-News fake fairness.
 
2012-05-21 08:21:22 PM
It's not like a teacher never took a contrary position to create discussion and be thought-provoking. But no, this is brain-washing.


/and she was also the best kind of correct
 
2012-05-21 08:31:25 PM
I just feel sorry for the school administrators who are not doubt fielding phone calls and emails from crazed republicans.
 
2012-05-21 08:36:00 PM

Lunaville: I remember adults advising me that English was a very transferable, flexible degree. I was told that English majors are highly valued by the business community because of their writing skills. I recall one individual declaring "Oh, you can do anything with an English degree!"


It is true that good writing skills are valuable in many fields. I got degrees in engineering and CS, but a lot of my career success comes from the ability to write well and under intense time pressure.

On the other hand, you don't need to major in English to develop these skills. I got them from writing-intensive English classes in high school, and then arguing with everyone on the Internet since 1993.
 
2012-05-21 09:04:28 PM

GoldSpider: DeaH: Just curious, what would be the point in bringing up the two other than to show that one was dealt with in a far better manner?

That would have been a far more coherent rebuttal by the teacher. A teachable moment lost to rabid, irrational partisanship.


Yes. I really haven't seen anyone defend the teacher. She is both wrong and, demonstrably, an idiot.
 
2012-05-21 09:08:10 PM
Ew ew ew I clicked a Blaze link without thinking ew ew ew
 
2012-05-21 10:25:01 PM
From the start of that clip I could tell it was going to be a lively debate with an award winning teacher, well versed in science of politics, with her classroom audience of honor roll students. Thusly, I was shocked and appalled at the resulting exchange.

/no child left behind
 
2012-05-21 10:35:54 PM

qorkfiend: Seriously? Wow.


Yes...both sides increase the size and power of the government at the expense of individual liberty. You can't deny that. You can make the argument that it's worth the cost, but I would disagree.
 
2012-05-21 10:40:49 PM
Ok, this situation brings up many questions and observations. First, this teacher was completely off her rocker and handled this situation wrong.

Now this brings up several questions... 1. was this student recording b/c this teacher was prone to similar gaffs? 2. why did this student have a cell phone in class? 3.was this student trying to set the teacher up?

While this situation certainly could provide an example of what not to do, or how not to handle a situation, this certainly is not a firing offense and not the worst behavior a teacher has ever exhibited.

IMO, while the teacher needs to be questioned, it would be wrong if the student recording this episode is not questioned as well.
 
2012-05-21 11:00:40 PM
Hopefully this becomes a "teaching moment" and nothing more. It would be a terrible shame if this teacher were to lose her job.
 
2012-05-21 11:41:43 PM
Hey you disrespectful little shiat, the minute you step on to school grounds, you no longer have a first amendment right to free speech. Even in the event that you did, free speech does not equal being allowed to be an asshole.
 
2012-05-22 01:14:27 AM
Aw ya know, this is all I got to say on the matter.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-22 03:29:40 AM
This is hilarious. You extremists are so flat out retarded that apparently if one of you went on a killing spree, the rest of you would flat out demand that if they didn't see it with the naked eye it never happened.

EYE WITNESSES?! RECORDED?! DOCUMENTED BY LOCAL MEDIA?! UNPOSSIBLE!
 
2012-05-22 08:15:57 AM
Witchyman

She's been suspended, with pay.

Link



So kind of like a vacation - except she isn't using any vacation days up. Nice.
 
2012-05-22 09:05:27 AM
Actually, the teacher is right.

Obama can, according to a power he just granted himself last year, have any of us renditioned or killed for any reason, and there's farkall we can do about it.
 
2012-05-22 09:58:47 AM

Lernaeus: Actually, the teacher is right.

Obama can, according to a power he just granted himself last year, have any of us renditioned or killed for any reason, and there's farkall we can do about it.


Executive orders and new laws do not trump constitutional amendments. So, no he cannot legally do those things. However we have a legal system that chooses not to enforce the law, so essentially all future presidents will get away with these crimes until we clean up the legal system.
 
2012-05-22 10:04:20 AM
Just wait until Glenn Beck hears about THIS:

"[T]here was an earlier question about has the President said anything to people in his own party-they're reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do. This is not a time for remarks like that; there never is."
-Ari Fleischer
 
2012-05-22 10:08:29 AM

James!: According to Campbell's story, the teacher will not be suspended or even face disciplinary action for what was heard on the recording.

No shiat.


FAIL.

UPDATED: N.C. Teacher Suspended For Telling Student He Could Be Arrested for Talking Badly About Obama
 
2012-05-22 10:19:52 AM

rufus-t-firefly: James!: According to Campbell's story, the teacher will not be suspended or even face disciplinary action for what was heard on the recording.

No shiat.

FAIL.

UPDATED: N.C. Teacher Suspended For Telling Student He Could Be Arrested for Talking Badly About Obama


Oh my lord! Things have happened in the 24 hours since I made that comment. What a total fail.
 
2012-05-22 10:41:26 PM
Until the kid said "I'll call my Dad", I was on his side.
Now I want him stapled to a fence by his eye lids.
 
2012-05-23 11:31:36 AM

James!: rufus-t-firefly: James!: According to Campbell's story, the teacher will not be suspended or even face disciplinary action for what was heard on the recording.

No shiat.

FAIL.

UPDATED: N.C. Teacher Suspended For Telling Student He Could Be Arrested for Talking Badly About Obama

Oh my lord! Things have happened in the 24 hours since I made that comment. What a total fail.


You pointed out that the article says there would be no suspension or discipline, then said "no shiat."

Thus, FAIL.
 
2012-05-23 11:49:13 AM

rufus-t-firefly: James!: rufus-t-firefly: James!: According to Campbell's story, the teacher will not be suspended or even face disciplinary action for what was heard on the recording.

No shiat.

FAIL.

UPDATED: N.C. Teacher Suspended For Telling Student He Could Be Arrested for Talking Badly About Obama

Oh my lord! Things have happened in the 24 hours since I made that comment. What a total fail.

You pointed out that the article says there would be no suspension or discipline, then said "no shiat."

Thus, FAIL.


I can tell you really need this. Good job kid.
 
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