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(The Smoking Gun)   Gary "Green River Killer" Ridgway pleads guilty to murdering 48 women   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line 117
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2003-11-06 01:01:12 PM
skull bowel? That sounds painful!
 
2003-11-06 01:01:36 PM
Alice
This guy can't be serial killer.

1. He doesn't use his middle name.
2. He isn't from Wisconsin.


1. I've seen "Gary Leon Ridgway" mentioned quite a few times in papers. I think people are catching on and using it more just to put him in that category.
2. States that start with "W" count. Washington has plenty of sick bastards here. Just ask Ann Rule...

The only thing that make me say he isn't is that he didn't try to defend himself in court...

But his plea of "I don't want to die." WTF?! Come and pet the Pu$$y. Whine whine.
 
2003-11-06 01:05:29 PM
dogtulosba

The states with the highest occurances of serial murder are California (natch), New York, Florida, Texas, and I think Pennsylvania and Washington aren't far behind.

There's no proven correlation between serial killers and so-called "border states" as has been postulated. It just makes sense that there would be more serial killers in areas with high populations and large urban areas, since most killers target transients or prostitutes who are in heavy supply in cities.
 
2003-11-06 01:05:31 PM
When sentencing, will they consider his work with Wall of Voodoo and appearance in such films as Rumble Fish?

Just curious.
 
2003-11-06 01:05:32 PM
48 eh?
Wonder if it had been Senators or Police wives, how fast he would have been caught?
 
2003-11-06 01:06:52 PM
Man, what a lady-killer that dude must be.


I got nuthin.
 
2003-11-06 01:07:48 PM

Most serial killers are of sub-average intelligence with little education and clearly display signs of anti-social or abnormal behavior.

Well, I can only go by what I've read, perhaps cunning would be more accurate than intelligent.

Many of these guys seemed able to charm, or otherwise talk their way out of getting caught. Dalmer talked his out of being busted several times. And people trusted Albert Fish enough to leave there children with them, even though they hardly knew him.

It takes somekind of smarts to get away with stuff like that over and over again, for years.

Sure, none of these guys are Dr. Lecter, but they aren't dumb either.

 
2003-11-06 01:10:35 PM
ChairmanKaga

It's more complex than that. Serial killers purposefully target prostitutes and transients because when they go missing, nobody usually reports it.

It's not like this guy was going around killing poor housewives or people who had been REPORTED murdered; the majority of people killed by Ridgeway were just never reported as missing. It wasn't until they were found (which, in some cases, was years after the murder) that the polic were able to investigate the murder.

In a sense, the police were always one step behind, given the nature of the crimes and that the fact that "abductions" did not occur.
 
2003-11-06 01:10:36 PM
Agree with you, ChairmanKaga. Ridgeway even said in his statement (paraphrasing) that he knew he could get by with killing prostitutes. The very nature of their business makes them easy targets for whatever whack-job nut comes down the pike, I suppose. I can't help but think some police officers probably thought he was doing the city a service by killing them. Sad but true.
 
2003-11-06 01:13:07 PM

ed guin may or may not be a serial killer.

Almost all the bodys Gein had were stolen, had he killed that many people someone would have noticed.

If you want to know Gein's story I reccomend Deviant by Harold Schechter. It's a very messed up story, and will but most people off their lunch. He had the most farked up childhood, it's no wonder he grew up to be such a freak!

 
2003-11-06 01:13:21 PM
Stick this Farking Hole into OZ and let the "guest" have a lot of fun with him.
 
2003-11-06 01:13:46 PM
What is it about serial killers and moustaches?
 
2003-11-06 01:14:46 PM
AbbyNormal

Perhaps a better way to clarify it would be by the amount of dead. Most high-profile murderers (Bundy, Gacy, Fish, Dahmer) were fairly smart, which is why they were able to go so long before their capture.

However, most "minor" serial killer cases (there are hundreds every year) are committed by anti-social criminal dunces, which may be why they don't tally up the bodies like Ridgeway did.

Cunning would be a good word to describe the most prolific murderers. Ridgeway doesn't seem too smart, but he was smart enough to know how to avoid the cops.
 
2003-11-06 01:15:53 PM
I read the link that SwedishChef posted and oh my!

He would have sex with the bodies even after there were maggots crawling on and in them. (sick) He did this because it was convienient, cheap and they were his. He also would put stuff in their vaginas, mostly rocks.

This guy needs to die.
 
2003-11-06 01:17:02 PM
If I were him I would start admiting to every murder that had ever taken place. That way they think you are crazy and you get put into a mental institution instead of an ass-raping pententary, or should I say penatrationary... Either way the point is the same, life would be good with padded walls and jello every day.
 
2003-11-06 01:29:43 PM
If you're interested in the prosecutor's explanation of why the plea was accepted, have a look at the summary document mentioned earlier, but just look at pages 14-16 (using Acrobat Reader's page numbers -- these pages are numbered 9 through 11 in the document itself).

Just, whatever you do, stop reading before you get to Acrobat page 26 (numbered page 21 in the document itself). It gets really nasty from there. I need to scrub my brain now.
 
2003-11-06 01:38:58 PM
I am from europe and I am against the death penalty. But it would be kind of funny if they can tie this bastard to just ONE murder that he has not admitted to, and then they send him to the chair due to that.
 
2003-11-06 01:41:32 PM
CaptinJakbal:

true true, but notice that his plea bargain does not include protective custody.

he wont be getting the chair or the needle or the gas chamber, but i bet what he's gonna get will be way more painful.
 
2003-11-06 01:44:12 PM
Hm. In his position, I'd probably have _requested_ the death penalty. There's not much point to a confined, regimented existence without chance of parole, commutation, pardon, or escape.
 
2003-11-06 01:53:26 PM
Well, now that I've reas Swedishchef's post I feel thoroughly grossed out and horrified.

Ah well, its not like I wasn't warned
 
2003-11-06 01:54:04 PM
They mentioned something about him not being totally off the hook for the death penalty.

There's still some murders in Oregon that the Washington state DA couldn't use, although unlikely, it's possible he could face the death penalty in Oregon.
 
2003-11-06 01:54:16 PM
He turned himself into a commodity. Now every wannabe serial killer buff who has any connection to the law-enforcement industry will line up to interview him. He's worth more alive than dead and that's why he will not be executed, although he richly deserves the intravenous cocktail hour.
 
2003-11-06 01:54:37 PM
From this morning's Charlotte Observer:

Ridgway was arrested two years ago, after DNA evidence taken from three of his victims was found to match his saliva. Authorities had had this information for nearly 14 years and have been criticized for not moving faster to make the match. But King County Prosecuting Attorney Norm Maleng insisted again Wednesday that police made the arrest as soon as "modern forensic science caught up to Ridgway."

Excuse me, but I thought matched DNA WAS modern forensic science.
 
2003-11-06 01:55:41 PM
OK....that has to be the sickest thing i read, and i didnt even finish. that guy was way out there....i mean, maggots and necrophilia shouldn't go in the same sentence. man o man
 
2003-11-06 01:59:17 PM
After reading the document, the most disturbing thing here is the mentality toward his victims. It was actually chilling. He can remeber every detail of his life in painful detail. He can remeber the cost of things he bought 20+ years ago. He can remeber the weather and locations and details of even mundane aspects of his life (which almost no one alive can do by the way - because we don't anally focus on these things) and yet his victims were beneath his notice. They truly didn't matter. He killed them and did not believe he was taking anything of any worth.

It is astonishing that humans can create such monsters. I would love to know what went wrong in this guys life to cause this. I know that he took his divorce hard, but he was cheating on her with hookers. His big spree of killing took place between marriages (2 and 3 if I remember).

The guy must have some great charisma though. He was married three time and engaged to someone else in there too. He also mentioned hooking up with women at single parents groups. He must have made a hell of a first impression.
 
2003-11-06 01:59:36 PM
Also, after reading that, I'd say it proves that polygraph tests are farking worthless.
 
2003-11-06 02:01:16 PM
Don't forget about Robert Pickton the pig farmer who has been charged with 15 murders right now.. and is suspected be linked to more than 60 murders and disapeerances of Vancouver Prostitutes.

Legalize prostitution get it off the streets and out of the hands of pimps. Its the oldest profession and its not going anywhere.
 
2003-11-06 02:02:46 PM
Many serial killers possess high intelligence. Just look at Hannibal Lecter and Pat Bateman. I wonder who would win in a cage match between Lecter and Bateman. I'm guessing Lecter, but Bateman could make it interesting and entertaining for a while.
 
2003-11-06 02:06:16 PM
What a slacker. He couldn't at least get to a nice even
# 50.
 
2003-11-06 02:09:41 PM
The King County prosecuter made the deal because they only had enough evidence to charge him with seven murders. Think of the families of the other 41 victims, and the possibility of them never knowing the circumstances of their loved one's death.

As for setting some sort of "dangerous precedent" as it relates to using the death penalty to plea bargain: Washington State law requires that only the existing law may be applied. It is interpreted on a case by case basis and future arguments may not be made that compare this case to others.

He deserves to swing, but to be merciful to the families of the victims, they made a tough but justified decision.
 
2003-11-06 02:11:35 PM
The King County prosecuter made the deal because they only had enough evidence to charge him with seven murders. Think of the families of the other 41 victims, and the possibility of them never knowing the circumstances of their loved one's death.

As for setting some sort of "dangerous precedent" as it relates to using the death penalty to plea bargain: Washington State law requires that only the existing law may be applied. It is interpreted on a case by case basis and future arguments may not be made that compare this case to others.

He deserves to swing, but to be merciful to the families of the victims, they made a tough but justified decision.
 
2003-11-06 02:12:13 PM
The King County prosecuter made the deal because they only had enough evidence to charge him with seven murders. Think of the families of the other 41 victims, and the possibility of them never knowing the circumstances of their loved one's death.

As for setting some sort of "dangerous precedent" as it relates to using the death penalty to plea bargain: Washington State law requires that only the existing law may be applied. It is interpreted on a case by case basis and future arguments may not be made that compare this case to others.

He deserves to swing, but to be merciful to the families of the victims, they made a tough but justified decision.
 
2003-11-06 02:13:31 PM
He deserves to swing, but to be merciful to the families of the victims, they made a tough but justified decision.



it will be even better when he is beaten to death in prison.
 
2003-11-06 02:13:41 PM
The King County prosecuter made the deal because they only had enough evidence to charge him with seven murders. Think of the families of the other 41 victims, and the possibility of them never knowing the circumstances of their loved one's death.

As for setting some sort of "dangerous precedent" as it relates to using the death penalty to plea bargain: Washington State law requires that only the existing law may be applied. It is interpreted on a case by case basis and future arguments may not be made that compare this case to others.

He deserves to swing, but to be merciful to the families of the victims, they made a tough but justified decision.
 
2003-11-06 02:15:20 PM
Since his life is already gonna be spared, can't we just ship him off to Syria and tell him "Have it man, this country is your playground"?
 
2003-11-06 02:16:17 PM
"Catch me if you can, Mr. Lusk."
"We already did. You're in police custody."
"D'oh!"
 
2003-11-06 02:16:59 PM
I agree. By the way, Washington State allows hanging or lethal injection. I would prefer that they grease him up, handcuff his wrists to his ankles, and parade him through federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
 
2003-11-06 02:18:01 PM
Polygraphs ARE worthless, they have very little or at most spurious scientific evidence backing them.
 
2003-11-06 02:18:24 PM
I can't believe they are letting this guy get off with life in prison. Of course, it's only a matter of time before he is brutally raped and murdered, so I guess it all balances out.
 
2003-11-06 02:26:30 PM
I think the state should employ his "If you stop fighting I will stop" technique.

Did we say we weren't going to kill you...oh no you must 've heard us wrong...but thanks for all of the information...time for a long long nap
 
2003-11-06 02:29:04 PM
AbbyNormal: "And people trusted Albert Fish enough to leave there children with them"

I'd forgot about Albert Fish!

Quick summary: (1870-1936) Raised in an orphanage, he took sexual excitement in being abused. That, combined with a strong family history of insanity, helped him develop into a sadomasochistic-homosexual-pedophile-cannibal-religious nut who thought he was Jesus/Abraham and who's morality was: If it were really wrong, an angel would stop him.

He's got to get the award for craziest. The whole needles into the scrotum/rectum thing, beating himself with nails, and then helping the police strap him into the electric chair... And this before Hollywood!
 
2003-11-06 02:29:25 PM
Come on, let's take Carlin's advice and bring back farkin crucifixion. Upsidedown crucifixion in the middle of a stadium where the audience can throw lawn darts at him.

Why be civilized to this guy?
 
2003-11-06 02:29:46 PM
2003-11-06 12:33:38 PM Craptastic
Wow. I feel sick after reading all of that.
Nothing a shot of bourbon won't cure


Same here. Except it's Bacardi..
 
2003-11-06 02:34:37 PM
I wouldn't kill him, not exactly sure why just yet, I just wouldnt. I think there may be way more information to be gleaned from this guy.
 
2003-11-06 02:38:15 PM
I still can't help but wonder if this guy'd been black or hispanic how well Dave Reichert and the boys at King County would have been treating him, or if good ol quotin' the bible Christian Norm Maeling would have taken him up on the offer.

There was just something a little too chummy with those photos of Green River Gary out in the woods in civilian clothes, no cuffs, and a cap, right alongside the cops as they searched for clues together.

I saw that and thought .. wow, you can be a serial rapist murderer in the Northwest, but if you're from here, and you're white, you are still in the club. Then I thought of all the non-white guys that have been shot around here by the cops for stupid petty things..

Well it just makes you think.

I am also still curious how he gets handled in prison, people seem to think he's a dead man, but I sort of think the hard time cons will look up to him like he's some kind of superstar. Offed more biatches than he can remember and still didn't fry. I don't know how this stuff works obviously, but I could still see there being sort of a ring of honor in prison waiting for this guy.
 
2003-11-06 02:47:46 PM
Thanks for the link, swedishchef... the details in that report really show who the killer is, and it's a mystery why the mainstream media doesn't mention them.
 
2003-11-06 03:04:24 PM
Generation_D: Misconception about prison is that it is filled to capacity to people who would kill you just as soon as look at you and would respect a guy like this. The truth is that the majority of people in prison are there for either:

1) Non violent offenses such as drug dealing/possession, burglary, larceny, fraud, shop lifting, etc...

2) Violent, gand related killing. There is honor among these theives as they pattern themselves after the mafia and only kill others of their kind (i.e rival gang members and drug dealers)

3) Violent crimes of passion. A smaller percentage than the above, but when added to the other groups, certainly helps to round out the bulk of your prison population.

I have known people who went for each of the above reasons. I grew up in a portion of Buffalo that was heavily gang controlled. I knew a few people who went away on various drug charges. A couple that got picked up for thefts, breaking and entering, even pick pocketing. I knew a guy that went to jail for killing another man in a bar fight. One that went away for killing his girlfriend in a DWI. The vast majority of these people were of little or no danger to the average person (they still deserved to go to prison), but were basically decent, if not flawed people.

The guy I knew who went up for shooting a rival gang member was dangerous, but by his own admission, only to other gang members.

The man that I knew growing up who murdered his brother (both were early forties and had young children at the time) in a fit of jealous rage is a different story.

In prison, a guy like this will most likely not be looked at kindly. If the prisoners ever read the transcripts that we just did, he could very well find himself shanked by some gang member serving life.
 
2003-11-06 03:04:45 PM
A few points of clarification (from a local):

1. The deal was to (a) bring closure; (b) solve many murders that they did not have evidence on (and didn't even have the body); (c) save the tens of millions of dollars of an extended trial (estimated to be the most expensive ever, not to mention death-penalty appeals -- far more expensive than life in prison).

2. The deal is only good for murders in King County. He could still be charged (and sentenced to death) for murders in other counties in Washington.

And a comment: Washington has the death penalty, and that certainly didn't deter Ridgway (or Bundy).
 
MC3
2003-11-06 03:11:39 PM
when asked why he killed prostitutes:

Uh, prostitutes were the, the easiest. I went from uh, havin sex
with em to just plain killing em.


wow, can we say "electric chair?"
 
MC3
2003-11-06 03:12:58 PM
or not, since he is getting life in prison, meh, whatever
 
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