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2012-05-20 10:02:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: We get it, he's White.

another fark racist.


Man, I've never seen you so desperate for attention.

It almost makes me feel sorry for you.
 
2012-05-20 10:04:00 PM

Gergesa: tenpoundsofcheese: We get it, he's White.

Hmmm managed to confuse race with religion eh? Well someday you will learn the difference between the two.


He's desperately trying to be funny, it's almost sad to watch. He's like Michael Scott if he was a total douche.
 
2012-05-20 10:04:18 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Gergesa: MeinRS6: Gergesa: I wonder what people like Tim Lahaye and Jenkins (Left behind authors) think of voting for a Mormon. They can't be happy about it. But how could they consider the other option? Could the actually urge the followers to vote for a mormon? It must be a source of tension.

You wanna know who wants to make this election about Mormonism?

Obama supporters.

However, Mormonism is not a big problem facing the nation.\

You are correct. It is not a problem facing the nation. It is a problem for Romney.

We get it, he's White.

another fark racist.


Hehehehe! Yes exactly!

Democratic racists are to blame for Romney's tepid support among Southern evangelicals. And there's also some time travel involved, but I can't give away ALL the secrets. . .
 
2012-05-20 10:07:02 PM

HighOnCraic: Democratic racists are to blame for Romney's tepid support among Southern evangelicals. And there's also some time travel involved, but I can't give away ALL the secrets. . .


No one reveal the secret socialism sandwiches in school lunches.
 
2012-05-20 10:09:14 PM

jjorsett: The one point difference was among "1,002 Tennessee residents who are 18 and older", they don't even have to be registered to vote. Polls like that are useless in predicting the outcome of an election. Even a poll of registered voters is of marginal utility. When you get to likely voters, that's when you can start to have some confidence that the poll tells something about what's going to happen.


What this tells me though is if the people who don't traditionally vote actually got off their butts and voted, there probably wouldn't be any republicans in office except for the most hard core right wing areas, considering Tennessee would be generally considered one of those areas overall, and Obama is basically tied with "all people" of Tennessee.
 
2012-05-20 10:10:19 PM
TN went blue in '76, '92, and '96, you might credit the latters to Gore but note the state voted against him in 2000 (which itself might have been voter fatigue). Definitely a red-leaning state but assuming it'll automatically go red would be a mistake.

Registered voter polls aren't as accurate compared to likely-voter polls but comparing apples to apples, Romney was up 7 points in the last Tennessean poll. That's a significant enough change not to be merely a statistical blip.

At 11 electoral votes its not a huge prize but in an election where Romney needs to pick up '08 swing states to have any chance of winning he cannot afford to be lose any McCain states at all. Money wasted in hanging onto TN is money not spent in FL, OH, VA, NC, PA.
 
2012-05-20 10:10:40 PM

Gergesa: HighOnCraic: Democratic racists are to blame for Romney's tepid support among Southern evangelicals. And there's also some time travel involved, but I can't give away ALL the secrets. . .

No one reveal the secret socialism sandwiches in school lunches.


What about the top secret gay-ifying chemical in the water foun--I'll be right back, there's a knock at the door. . .
 
2012-05-20 10:12:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: Gergesa: tenpoundsofcheese: We get it, he's White.

Hmmm managed to confuse race with religion eh? Well someday you will learn the difference between the two.

He's desperately trying to be funny, it's almost sad to watch. He's like Michael Scott if he was a total douche.


LEAVE TENPOUNDSOFBREITBART'SFINALCOLONICBELCH ALONE!
 
2012-05-20 10:12:42 PM
I would say that Romney being a northern RINO has a lot more to do with the tepid support from conservatives than his being Mormon.

I honestly think that most voters realize that Romney will not be a religious leader imposing Mormonism on the nation if he were to win. In fact, his religion will be a total non-factor in how he governs, in the same way that Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity has been a non-factor.
 
2012-05-20 10:14:04 PM

MeinRS6: Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity


Yeah, Obama is the "real" phony Christian, not the Republicans.

/rolls eyes
 
2012-05-20 10:22:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity

Yeah, Obama is the "real" phony Christian, not the Republicans.

/rolls eyes


I find southern Christians (in the evangelical, fire and brimstone sense) to be quite phony. Or they are good at convincing themselves their hatred is justified by theology.
 
2012-05-20 10:30:06 PM

MeinRS6: I honestly think that most voters realize that Romney will not be a religious leader imposing Mormonism on the nation if he were to win. In fact, his religion will be a total non-factor in how he governs, in the same way that Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity has been a non-factor.


You think he's an atheist or a muslim? I dunno man, it seems like that'd be hard to hide for 20 years.
 
2012-05-20 10:31:27 PM

cman: If there is one thing you can count on it is the bigotry of the south. Romney is a Mormon and mormons are not exactly seen as proper Christians


Duelling bigotry.
"Twang, twang, ta-twang, half-black sekret Muslim socialist."
"Twang, twang, ta-twang, two-faced rich Mormon capitalist."
"Twang, twang, ta-ta-twaaaaang-tang-twang-ta-twang..."

And then the jug-eared kid just runs away with it, picking his little friggin' guts out.
 
2012-05-20 10:33:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: I honestly think that most voters realize that Romney will not be a religious leader imposing Mormonism on the nation if he were to win. In fact, his religion will be a total non-factor in how he governs, in the same way that Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity has been a non-factor.

You think he's an atheist or a muslim? I dunno man, it seems like that'd be hard to hide for 20 years.


How long have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton been playing reverend? Or how about that commie moron that is the preacher where Obama went for those 20yrs?
 
2012-05-20 10:38:48 PM

MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: I honestly think that most voters realize that Romney will not be a religious leader imposing Mormonism on the nation if he were to win. In fact, his religion will be a total non-factor in how he governs, in the same way that Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity has been a non-factor.

You think he's an atheist or a muslim? I dunno man, it seems like that'd be hard to hide for 20 years.

How long have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton been playing reverend? Or how about that commie moron that is the preacher where Obama went for those 20yrs?


Just because they realize the "Prosperity Gospel" is BS doesn't mean that they're "phony Christians".

You're basically saying that they're not Christians because they don't agree with your views of Christianity. I could say the same of the GOP then.
 
2012-05-20 10:38:49 PM
Will magic underwear be a wedge issue?
 
2012-05-20 10:39:54 PM

MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: I honestly think that most voters realize that Romney will not be a religious leader imposing Mormonism on the nation if he were to win. In fact, his religion will be a total non-factor in how he governs, in the same way that Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity has been a non-factor.

You think he's an atheist or a muslim? I dunno man, it seems like that'd be hard to hide for 20 years.

How long have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton been playing reverend? Or how about that commie moron that is the preacher where Obama went for those 20yrs?


I am amused when people get into arguments about the relative integrity and character of various preachers. It's like arguing about the relative chastity of various porn stars, or the agility of assorted quadroplegics.
 
2012-05-20 10:44:07 PM

MeinRS6: Fear?

Isn't it possible that people would come out to vote for change in the WH? There is such a thing as real disagreement with Obama and his policies. No fear required.

Romney has some of the same problems as McCain and that helps Obama on the national level. It won't make any difference in TN though. Obama will lose there by a lot of points.


It seems to me that, if you have real policy differences with Obama and you like the results Bush brought to the country, you have a 50/50 chance of changing back. That's not real change, but what is real about Romney?
 
2012-05-20 10:44:09 PM
Take me to another place
Take me to another land
Make me forget all that hurts me
Let me understand your plan

/And I'm done.
 
2012-05-20 10:49:17 PM

NateGrey: Will magic underwear be a wedge issue?


No, but there may be some wedgie issues.
 
2012-05-20 10:56:50 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: We get it, he's White.

another fark racist.

Man, I've never seen you so desperate for attention.

It almost makes me feel sorry for you.


coming from someone who doesn't even answer the question I asked in that other thread.

I get your shtick....duck, duck, duck, attack, duck, duck, duck, attack.
 
2012-05-20 10:57:40 PM
Obama has exactly a ZERO chance of winning in Tennessee.

Obama won't win North Carolina either this time around and will probably lose Virginia too.

Other than that, Obama is doing great around here.

/TN
 
2012-05-20 11:00:31 PM

NateGrey: Will magic underwear be a wedge issue?


Don't you mean "wedgie issue?"
 
2012-05-20 11:05:51 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: We get it, he's White.

another fark racist.

Man, I've never seen you so desperate for attention.

It almost makes me feel sorry for you.

coming from someone who doesn't even answer the question I asked in that other thread.

I get your shtick....duck, duck, duck, attack, duck, duck, duck, attack.


What question was that? Or did you just look at your Rovian playbook again.

/need me to explain that joke to you?
 
2012-05-20 11:07:00 PM

HairBolus: cman: If there is one thing you can count on it is the bigotry of the south. Romney is a Mormon and mormons are not exactly seen as proper Christians


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Heathens? Romney is the only heathen in that post. He worships after a false prophet that made heretical claims. Obama is a Christian. The only real Christian that will be on the ballot for president in November.

/Why do mormons not tolerate caffeine? Because who wants to stay awake for that existance.
 
2012-05-20 11:26:29 PM
Relax. It's only September. A lot can happen in a month and a half.
 
2012-05-20 11:55:52 PM
One has to wonder what is going through the Romney Campaign's mind right now. There are still a few months left to this campaign, but it has been wholly moribund with only a few Teabaggers and Obama's trolling providing the highlights. ON the whole, one wonders exactly why Romney is bothering. He had a lot of ways to carefully duck out of this madness and keep going for 2016. Why he's throwing away his money and time on this run is constantly baffling.

The Republicans don't back him, the Democrats aren't going to go over to him, and the moderates are now fearful of anything Republican due to the racist taunting by several politicians who apparently don't give a damn if the party sinks or not. Romney is the head of a vast cold sore that now represents the Republican party. Most of the people who could have given Obama a run for his money are now ducking out because their own party is looking for people to blame. This isn't a 'wait until things are better' move. It's 'maybe I should find an easy six figure job instead of this rebuilding-the-country crap' move.

I suppose Romney is the last in a long line of men who think they can reap the whirlwind that once was the Southern Strategy. Gingrich, Santorum, and other failures of that ilk thought they could take the easy consumers that make up the Republican Party and turn it into their own fiefdom, a dying minority on the fringes of American Life, and suckle it dry of money and time. But notice that the Party--whatever it is now--just spat them out when they didn't measure up to constant scrutiny. Why Romney--a Mormon who has a very progressiveish record when his voter base requires it--thinks he can do it is still baffling. Why he didn't just take a mulligan and get more money for four more years is downright strange.
 
2012-05-20 11:58:17 PM
Polling this far out is silly, but really, all Obama has to do is win PA, OH and FL and he's got the election sewn up (he's going to win CA, NY, NJ and MA and lose TX anyway).
 
2012-05-21 12:46:21 AM

Mrtraveler01: As a Missourian, let me tell you one word why it will stay in GOP hands this November:

Ozarks.


That's actually why I think Missouri will be the 'surprise' result.

www.basereality.com

At least some of those people who voted for McCain instead of Obama only did so because they didn't like the idea of a black president. If something like 10% of the voters who voted R instead of D just because of racism switched to voting ignoring skin colour, then Missouri would be close but definitely Demcractic. Add in the other factors and we'll be learning why Missourans don't count as 'Real Americans' from the Republican pundits.

Image may be farked - should be here:
http://www.basereality.com/proxy/386/moredem.jpg
 
2012-05-21 12:54:53 AM

cman: If there is one thing you can count on it is the bigotry of the south. Romney is a Mormon and mormons are not exactly seen as proper Christians



This argument is b.s. A sizable number of voters in the state believe that Obama is Muslim Socialist Satan from planet Kenya, so they would have no problem voting for a guy who believes in magic underpants, because they think Obama is destroying America.

The problem is that Romney is so unprincipled that he's changed positions more times in his career than Nina Hartley.
 
2012-05-21 01:05:31 AM

MeinRS6: If you would like to make a wager on this, I'm up for it. You bet what this poll is saying and I'll bet a wider margin. I've got a feeling that you will not take that bet.


Meanwhile, the actual wagering has Obama by some margin
InTrade
 
2012-05-21 01:12:12 AM

nobodyUwannaknow: MeinRS6: If you would like to make a wager on this, I'm up for it. You bet what this poll is saying and I'll bet a wider margin. I've got a feeling that you will not take that bet.

Meanwhile, the actual wagering has Obama by some margin
InTrade


I wish people weren't so overfocused on the presidential race. Obama's next four years are a pretty solid lock barring any major farkups; if the Dems want to have any hope of being able to accomplish anything useful, however, they need to be focusing on downticket races
 
2012-05-21 01:19:18 AM

nobodyUwannaknow: MeinRS6: If you would like to make a wager on this, I'm up for it. You bet what this poll is saying and I'll bet a wider margin. I've got a feeling that you will not take that bet.

Meanwhile, the actual wagering has Obama by some margin
InTrade


We were talking about the poll in TFA which was about TN. Obama will not win TN.

I'm willing to wager with anyone that thinks he will.
 
2012-05-21 03:31:27 AM

Danack: Mrtraveler01: As a Missourian, let me tell you one word why it will stay in GOP hands this November:

Ozarks.

That's actually why I think Missouri will be the 'surprise' result.

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At least some of those people who voted for McCain instead of Obama only did so because they didn't like the idea of a black president. If something like 10% of the voters who voted R instead of D just because of racism switched to voting ignoring skin colour, then Missouri would be close but definitely Demcractic. Add in the other factors and we'll be learning why Missourans don't count as 'Real Americans' from the Republican pundits.

Image may be farked - should be here:
http://www.basereality.com/proxy/386/moredem.jpg


Once again, if you vote against Obama it must be because you're a racist. Dont you people ever get tired of that old canard?

Also, I'd love to see one of those graphs from 2010.
 
2012-05-21 03:44:33 AM

MeinRS6: You are jumping to a lot of conclusions there.

Romney will easily win TN. It won't even be close. His real problem in TN is that he isn't a real conservative and that hurts him there and suppresses the vote.

Obama will win the same couple of counties that he won in 2008 and that's it.


Romney's also not a Christian, which matters to some people.
 
2012-05-21 04:10:41 AM

digistil: MeinRS6: You are jumping to a lot of conclusions there.

Romney will easily win TN. It won't even be close. His real problem in TN is that he isn't a real conservative and that hurts him there and suppresses the vote.

Obama will win the same couple of counties that he won in 2008 and that's it.

Romney's also not a Christian, which matters to some people.


And as mentioned already, that still won't help Obama in TN.

Mormonism isn't the problem that people are worried about. Obama is the problem.
 
2012-05-21 04:21:16 AM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Once again, if you vote against Obama it must be because you're a racist. Dont you people ever get tired of that old canard?


Your ID gives away the fact that you're trolling.

Obama's the best Republican to get elected since Eisenhower. Taxes are lower than they have been since the 1920s, the nation is recovering nicely from the recession and we're safer foreign-policy wise than we've been in a decade.

Really, there's only one excuse for not voting for Obama in November: he's not liberal enough for the few left-wingers left in this country.
 
2012-05-21 04:41:42 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: ON the whole, one wonders exactly why Romney is bothering. He had a lot of ways to carefully duck out of this madness and keep going for 2016. Why he's throwing away his money and time on this run is constantly baffling


2012 is probably his best shot. Age would probably be an issue for him in 2016.
 
2012-05-21 05:52:44 AM

MeinRS6: cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: I honestly think that most voters realize that Romney will not be a religious leader imposing Mormonism on the nation if he were to win. In fact, his religion will be a total non-factor in how he governs, in the same way that Obama's political motivated phoney Christianity has been a non-factor.

You think he's an atheist or a muslim? I dunno man, it seems like that'd be hard to hide for 20 years.

How long have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton been playing reverend? Or how about that commie moron that is the preacher where Obama went for those 20yrs?


You mean the decorated veteran who in 20 years of recorded preaching only said 2 controversial things, one of which was a direct quote of a Republican? Maybe you should treat our ilitary folks with a little more respect, you unamerican Neanderthal.
 
2012-05-21 06:10:56 AM

MeinRS6: nobodyUwannaknow: MeinRS6: If you would like to make a wager on this, I'm up for it. You bet what this poll is saying and I'll bet a wider margin. I've got a feeling that you will not take that bet.

Meanwhile, the actual wagering has Obama by some margin
InTrade

We were talking about the poll in TFA which was about TN. Obama will not win TN.

I'm willing to wager with anyone that thinks he will.


As usual, you miss the point. Obama doesn't have to win TN. Just keep it competitive and force Romney to spend time and money defending what should be a sure win.

Geez, are you always this dense?
 
2012-05-21 08:11:06 AM

Close2TheEdge: As usual, you miss the point. Obama doesn't have to win TN. Just keep it competitive and force Romney to spend time and money defending what should be a sure win.


That was a large part of how he won in 2008. I think McCain had to defend a lot of red states because Obama was spending a lot of money everywhere. Howard Dean called it the 50 state strategy.
 
2012-05-21 08:41:36 AM

bootman: The only way the GOP holds the House and possibly takes the Senate is if an extremely popular proper Protestant runs third party. Otherwise some of the GOP's base are going to sit this one out.


The House will stay in Republican hands -- gerrymandering will see to that. Teabaggers winning a couple Senate primaries was interesting. A Dem candidate might do well if he paints himself as a level headed problem solver and his teabagger opponent as a nutjob. I am thinking the Senate will stay in Dem hands.
 
2012-05-21 08:56:33 AM

MeinRS6: You are jumping to a lot of conclusions there.

Romney will easily win TN. It won't even be close. His real problem in TN is that he isn't a real conservative and that hurts him there and suppresses the vote.

Obama will win the same couple of counties that he won in 2008 and that's it.


This. All this poll confirms is the lunacy of paying attention to any poll this far in advance of the vote.
 
2012-05-21 09:16:44 AM

Gergesa: I wonder what people like Tim Lahaye and Jenkins (Left behind authors) think of voting for a Mormon. They can't be happy about it. But how could they consider the other option? Could the actually urge the followers to vote for a mormon? It must be a source of tension.


Given the things they can rationalize and what they have got their followers to believe before, I can't see Romney being any real challenge to them.
 
2012-05-21 09:50:39 AM
Romney is as appealing as a wet, used sock. Religion, his sketchy business history, his sketchy political record, his almost insane desire to say or do anything to garner support... he seem a little too eager to be president.
 
2012-05-21 10:29:31 AM
Polls of all adults usually favor Democrats as opposed to those of registered voters, as in this case.
 
2012-05-21 11:36:11 AM
We get it. He wears magical underwear..
 
2012-05-22 12:13:48 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Obama has exactly a ZERO chance of winning in Tennessee.

Obama won't win North Carolina either this time around and will probably lose Virginia too.

Other than that, Obama is doing great around here.

/TN


I think you fail to take into account how abysmally bad a candidate Mitt Romney is. He's going to lose Arizona. Texas will be close. Georgia and Missouri could easily flip. Obama will keep VA and NC. Romney's a bad candidate with bad ideas and a history of being less likeable the longer one is exposed to him. I just hope he can damage the downticket races enough to give the Dems firm control of both houses.
 
2012-05-22 02:11:30 AM
FTFA: by the time the general election comes along, they'll be in lock step with Romney.

You know who else was "chosen" in lock step ...
 
2012-05-22 07:25:44 AM

MeinRS6: HighOnCraic: But it's kinds silly to say that this poll is bad news . . . For Obama.

I'm not saying that it's bad news for Obama. I'm just saying that it is a crap poll.

People are free to disagree with that, and we'll return to the subject again in Nov if they like. I don't think they'll want to talk about this poll after election day.


You've seen the statisticals, and we libs are going to be so mad?
 
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