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(Christian Science Monitor)   America moves from record number of prisoners to record number of released prisoners to record number of released prisoners who can't get jobs with a criminal record   (csmonitor.com) divider line 149
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2012-05-20 05:18:49 PM
lucky for all those ex-cons, America is a Christian Nation and nobody will ever hold their past actions against them.
 
2012-05-20 05:19:07 PM
The Circle of Life(rs) is nearly complete.
 
2012-05-20 05:22:38 PM
When You are in a downed economy, employers can be very choosie. Who would you find to be a better fit for running a cash register at McDonalds, a 20 year old college student or a 19 year old convicted of petty theft?
 
2012-05-20 05:25:36 PM

cman: When You are in a downed economy, employers can be very choosie. Who would you find to be a better fit for running a cash register at McDonalds, a 20 year old college student or a 19 year old convicted of petty theft?


the college student can run the register. the ex-con is better suited to management.
 
2012-05-20 05:28:54 PM

cman: When You are in a downed economy, employers can be very choosie. Who would you find to be a better fit for running a cash register at McDonalds, a 20 year old college student or a 19 year old convicted of petty theft?


The con, as long as it was a violent crime. Especially the night shift.

"I'm here to rob ya. Give me all the mon- urk!"

"biatch, we raped asses like yours back in the pokey!"
 
2012-05-20 05:30:04 PM
So we've got tens of thousands of people with criminal (commonly minor drug) convictions who can't get jobs. Tens of thousands of college students with tens of thousands of dollars of debt...who can't get jobs. Tens of thousands of middle-class, middle-aged folks who are underwater on their homes and living in paralyzing fear of losing their jobs, because they'll literally lose everything if they do.

Naah, this doesn't sound like a situation that could go really, really bad fast. Not at all.
 
2012-05-20 05:32:38 PM

dahmers love zombie: So we've got tens of thousands of people with criminal (commonly minor drug) convictions who can't get jobs. Tens of thousands of college students with tens of thousands of dollars of debt...who can't get jobs. Tens of thousands of middle-class, middle-aged folks who are underwater on their homes and living in paralyzing fear of losing their jobs, because they'll literally lose everything if they do.

Naah, this doesn't sound like a situation that could go really, really bad fast. Not at all.


don't forget that both fed cops and local law enforcement are becoming more intolerant, paranoid and heavily armed.
 
2012-05-20 05:34:05 PM
If the damn government would just legalize murder, I would be a f***ing job creator!

/Bootstraps
 
2012-05-20 05:34:07 PM
It took 13 official hearings for Thorne to win parole. On Oct. 17, 2011, he was handed a temporary ID and $200 in an envelope. Several guards shook his hand. He was free after 32 years.

Today he says he's ready to do anything to move forward in life. "I'll mop, sweep, floss - it doesn't matter to me," he says.


wat
 
2012-05-20 05:53:43 PM

dahmers love zombie: It took 13 official hearings for Thorne to win parole. On Oct. 17, 2011, he was handed a temporary ID and $200 in an envelope. Several guards shook his hand. He was free after 32 years.

Today he says he's ready to do anything to move forward in life. "I'll mop, sweep, floss - it doesn't matter to me," he says.

wat


Maybe he meant fluff.
 
2012-05-20 05:57:11 PM

dahmers love zombie: Today he says he's ready to do anything to move forward in life. "I'll mop, sweep, floss - it doesn't matter to me," he says.

wat


There might be more than his criminal record holding him back from success.

We hired a guy this year knowing that he had a felony drug conviction. Apparently simple possession becomes a felony in Michigan when it's your third time. OK, no big deal to us.

Yeah, unreliable as shiat. Got canned within a week or two.
 
2012-05-20 06:06:45 PM
Thankfully, these jobless ex-cons will have to once again resort to crime to live, and will be thrown back in jail. Then, the for-profit prison system will be rolling in dough once again!
 
2012-05-20 06:10:57 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Thankfully, these jobless ex-cons will have to once again resort to crime to live, and will be thrown back in jail. Then, the for-profit prison system will be rolling in dough once again!


Begrudgingly this

When people have nothing to lose they lose it.
 
2012-05-20 06:17:06 PM
"States now spend more than $51 billion a year on prisons - the equivalent of the gross domestic product of Syria."

That's horrible.
 
2012-05-20 06:18:38 PM

cman: FirstNationalBastard: Thankfully, these jobless ex-cons will have to once again resort to crime to live, and will be thrown back in jail. Then, the for-profit prison system will be rolling in dough once again!

Begrudgingly this

When people have nothing to lose they lose it.


Again this. Also, a felony arrest or conviction will get you denied housing in many areas.
 
2012-05-20 06:52:56 PM

jbuist: dahmers love zombie: Today he says he's ready to do anything to move forward in life. "I'll mop, sweep, floss - it doesn't matter to me," he says.

wat

There might be more than his criminal record holding him back from success.

We hired a guy this year knowing that he had a felony drug conviction. Apparently simple possession becomes a felony in Michigan when it's your third time. OK, no big deal to us.

Yeah, unreliable as shiat. Got canned within a week or two.


When you are in prison every single little detail of your life is controlled for you. How good would you be at running your own schedule or working after a few years of that?

Hint: people are almost universally bad out of jail.
 
2012-05-20 06:59:08 PM

violentsalvation: "States now spend more than $51 billion a year on prisons - the equivalent of the gross domestic product of Syria."

That's horrible.


I agree. We should be bombing Syria to reduce that number
 
2012-05-20 07:14:29 PM

Weaver95: don't forget that both fed cops and local law enforcement are becoming more intolerant, paranoid and heavily armed.


And a large portion of the voting public thinks that beating someone to death, whose only crime was back talking to a cop, is perfectly acceptable behavior.
 
2012-05-20 07:51:39 PM
Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.
 
2012-05-20 08:00:18 PM
are ex-cons who cant get jobs even eligible for unemployment??
so I guess the unemployment numbers wont change ... LOL

/sigh
 
2012-05-20 08:06:35 PM

serial_crusher: Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.


So, you're just admitting that Prison has nothing to do with rehabilitation, just punishment, and that "well, he did paid his debt to society" is a quaint notion that no longer applies?

Considering how many people are in prison for stupid shiat like drug possession, well, I guess I should have seen that already.
 
2012-05-20 08:10:56 PM

FirstNationalBastard: serial_crusher: Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.

So, you're just admitting that Prison has nothing to do with rehabilitation, just punishment, and that "well, he did paid his debt to society" is a quaint notion that no longer applies?

Considering how many people are in prison for stupid shiat like drug possession, well, I guess I should have seen that already.


This is how you stretch

I wish I was that damn good
 
2012-05-20 08:12:45 PM

cman: FirstNationalBastard: serial_crusher: Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.

So, you're just admitting that Prison has nothing to do with rehabilitation, just punishment, and that "well, he did paid his debt to society" is a quaint notion that no longer applies?

Considering how many people are in prison for stupid shiat like drug possession, well, I guess I should have seen that already.

This is how you stretch

I wish I was that damn good


That wasn't a stretch.
 
2012-05-20 08:23:23 PM
This guy is having a problem finding work?

www.csmonitor.com

I'm shocked.
He seems like such a responsible decision maker.
 
2012-05-20 08:35:57 PM
It should be legal to kill them.
 
2012-05-20 08:41:33 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the damn government would just legalize murder, I would be a f***ing job creator!

/Bootstraps


Agrees: Link
 
2012-05-20 08:43:05 PM

Weaver95: lucky for all those ex-cons, America is a Christian Nation and nobody will ever hold their past actions against them.


I know several entrepreneurial organizations that would employ such individuals. Any poor sap that wants to mainstream \cannot, but being career criminal is very achievable.

We are not doing ourselves any favors.
 
2012-05-20 08:46:05 PM
Well, they can always reoffend to get back in. Recidivism I think is the word?

At least there's free healthcare there.
 
2012-05-20 08:47:43 PM
Psssssst

you'd have more money for training ex cons if you stopped the war on drugs.
You'd also have less convicts in the first place.
 
2012-05-20 08:48:50 PM
Private prison operators give NFL luxury box tickets to congressmen and state legislators.

So if you don't like the number of people we throw in prison or the reasons why we do it, you hate America.
 
2012-05-20 08:51:58 PM
Thank you War on Drugs. Let's turn non violent drug offenders into convicts.
 
2012-05-20 08:52:05 PM
 
2012-05-20 08:53:51 PM
Just move to Massachusetts, they have a state law prohibiting background checks for almost all jobs.
 
2012-05-20 08:54:19 PM
But I though Obama was the greatest job creating President 3V4R! Clearly, these ex prisoners are all racist white hispanics trying to sink his re election.
 
2012-05-20 08:56:10 PM

anderseb2010: Well, they can always reoffend to get back in. Recidivism I think is the word?


thestorydepartment.com

Reepeet Oh-Fender!
 
2012-05-20 09:00:10 PM
Parole Board chairman: Not a pretty name, is it H.I.?
H.I.: No, sir. That's one bonehead name, but that ain't me any more.
Parole Board chairman: You're not just telling us what we want to hear?
H.I.: No, sir, no way.
Parole Board member: 'Cause we just want to hear the truth.
H.I.: Well, then I guess I am telling you what you want to hear.
Parole Board chairman: Boy, didn't we just tell you not to do that?
H.I.: Yes, sir.
Parole Board chairman: Okay, then.
 
2012-05-20 09:00:43 PM
Obvious tag unavailable? I could possibly see a merit system rating ex-cons based on their convictions other than that, fark 'em, I've tarred roofs and ripped shingles for years and I wouldn't want sympathy. Man up, admit your mistakes and do what you can.

And no I never did time.
 
2012-05-20 09:01:20 PM
The first thing I thought of.

www.thestandupcenter.com
"I mean, if you get caught smoking crack at McDonald's, you can't get your job back. That's right, they're not going to trust you around the Happy Meals."
 
2012-05-20 09:03:35 PM

GAT_00: jbuist: dahmers love zombie: Today he says he's ready to do anything to move forward in life. "I'll mop, sweep, floss - it doesn't matter to me," he says.

wat

There might be more than his criminal record holding him back from success.

We hired a guy this year knowing that he had a felony drug conviction. Apparently simple possession becomes a felony in Michigan when it's your third time. OK, no big deal to us.

Yeah, unreliable as shiat. Got canned within a week or two.

When you are in prison every single little detail of your life is controlled for you. How good would you be at running your own schedule or working after a few years of that?

Hint: people are almost universally bad out of jail.


It's not just that. I used to work at a grocery store that was part of a work release program and most of the people who came through hadn't ever had a real job before, and they summarily sucked. A few were good, but the majority couldn't get to work on time, wouldn't do what they were told, and were in general just horrible employees. Some of these people need training just to work out the basics of what having a job means.
 
2012-05-20 09:04:16 PM
Yeah, as an ex-offender who did his time (and still has more to do from a charge last year related to the initial charge I'm just now finishing up in court) I took a different approach. I created my own work. After submitting over 500 applications in a year in a half, and going to 67 interviews (I kept track of every interview) all I got was an internship at a non-profit and not a single other job offer. So I said, fark traditional work, networked with people at the non-profit, and do web-design and social media design and outreach (yes people pay for it, and good too) and have a nice legitimate dispensable income. However, being the jerk that I am, I'm staying in my gov't funded apt after finishing treatment since I get paid by check from these people until a traditional job does pop up. My way of adding to the problem since nobody else wants to fix the problem and I got sick of it and decided to quit trying to help fix it.
 
2012-05-20 09:05:07 PM

namatad: are ex-cons who cant get jobs even eligible for unemployment??
so I guess the unemployment numbers wont change ... LOL

/sigh


No they aren't, but that's because they wouldn't have any wages in their base year, and they would've been ineligible for unemployment if they were working prior to getting arrested because while they were in prison they weren't able and available for work, and by getting arrested then losing their job would most likely be considered their fault.

So presuming that they spent more than a year behind bars, the odds are pretty good that they would meet none of the qualifications to file for unemployment.
 
2012-05-20 09:06:39 PM

serial_crusher: Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.


You will, buddy, you will.
 
2012-05-20 09:07:56 PM

Armadillo Slim: serial_crusher: Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.

You will, buddy, you will.


Yeah, if you pay taxes, you already do, to imprison them.
 
2012-05-20 09:13:26 PM

Dullahan: Armadillo Slim: serial_crusher: Aww, those poor criminals. Let's all send them money to help them out.

You will, buddy, you will.

Yeah, if you pay taxes, you already do, to imprison them.


And after the poor bastard can't get a legitimate job, he takes your wallet or car as well. This leads to more incarceration and more taxes going to house him.

Ah the beautiful cycle of the Prison Industrial Complex.
 
2012-05-20 09:14:19 PM
Here's what any one of them can do: make anaerobic methane digester tank, poop in it, hire other ex-cons to periodically stir the slurry. Compress and sell the methane to power the gas ranges and hot water heaters of still further ex-cons and teach them all to do the same. Self-sustaining process, screw the squares.
 
2012-05-20 09:18:18 PM
Send them to Wall Street. They'll kill the place down there.

OK, bad choice of words.
 
2012-05-20 09:18:58 PM

9beers: Just move to Massachusetts, they have a state law prohibiting background checks for almost all jobs.


Prohibiting? CORI checks are almost universal there.
 
2012-05-20 09:19:37 PM
So what, most of the people in my family have a clean record and can't get jobs.

/Welcome to Obamanation
 
2012-05-20 09:21:17 PM
prorev.com

We're #1, we're #1! U. S. A!
 
2012-05-20 09:22:50 PM

TommyymmoT: This guy is having a problem finding work?

[www.csmonitor.com image 313x400]

I'm shocked.
He seems like such a responsible decision maker.


Did you read the description that went along with the picture?

"The stars tattooed on his face, which he says used to represent six rival gang members he stabbed in prison, now stand for his six children."

He's just a loving family man.
 
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