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(Cars.com)   Texas wants 85 mph speed limits. Darwin: "YEEEEEHAW, git along little dogies"   (blogs.cars.com) divider line 163
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2012-05-20 08:26:25 PM  

Twitch Boy: The only issue I have with these climbing speed limits is that some cars can't DO 85. It takes an act of God to make a Geo Metro or Jeep Wrangler go that fast, especially in a headwind.


I drive a 4.0 Wrangler.
I can easily reach 100 mph but once a headwind comes into play, all bets are off.
It just means I have to adjust my driving procedures. Simple.
 
2012-05-20 08:26:56 PM  
I was recently thinking that there should be a way to be annually certified to drive something like 85 mph on the highway. It could be somewhat expensive which would make up for the lost revenue of speeding tickets, enforce it through ez pass and give cops freedom to do more important stuff.
 
2012-05-20 08:28:51 PM  

freedumb: I was recently thinking that there should be a way to be annually certified to drive something like 85 mph on the highway. It could be somewhat expensive which would make up for the lost revenue of speeding tickets, enforce it through ez pass and give cops freedom to do more important stuff.


I was thinking Texas needs it's own version of the Autobahn with a rail line next to it

You'd have to get certified for certain speeds which are restricted to certain lanes
 
2012-05-20 08:31:38 PM  
Life-flight usually shows up out here for northerner/coasters. You people STOP on off-ramps to access roads out past San Antonio on I-10, with not a sign in the world telling you to do so. I hate it when I hear the heli coming in.

Exit, the other traffic yields for you, and move on. No yokels get smashed by concrete trucks, and they might be at the 10th-grade level of education. Traffic signs are telling, and informative.
 
2012-05-20 08:34:30 PM  

Myra Maines: read your comment then looked at your profile .... figures


What figures, exactly? I'm curious, so please, by all means, enlighten me...

/has an innocuous profile
 
2012-05-20 08:36:03 PM  
I love how everyone is trying to correlate the speed someone is legally allowed to travel at vs. how many folks get killed/obliterated... Then blame the speed, as if obviously it's the speed that kills, not the fact that you have someone in the left lane tooling along 50 mph below the flow of traffic.

It's not like these "accidents" happen for no reason.

I tend to view traffic accidents as a great example of people wtfpwning themselves and others through various acts of Darwin-Endorsed Dumbassery.
 
2012-05-20 08:36:28 PM  
I-29 between Sioux City, IA and Sioux Falls, SD. A whole bunch of nothing but farms. 116mph but I could've gone faster if I had not gotten spooked at the grooved pavement.

I-90 in Wyoming somewhere near Devils Tower. Nothing whatsoever, not even a telephone pole. Land is all scrub. 110mph in the right lane, fastest the rental crap would go. People passing me all afternoon.
 
2012-05-20 08:48:31 PM  
I live in Texas and we already have highways where you can drive 70mph and people typically drive 85mph. I imagine if they up it to 85mph people will be doing 100mph.
 
2012-05-20 08:50:39 PM  

tzzhc4: I live in Texas and we already have highways where you can drive 70mph and people typically drive 85mph. I imagine if they up it to 85mph people will be doing 100mph.


You know what the average speed is on German highways where there is no speed limit? Around 80, 85mph
 
2012-05-20 08:51:10 PM  

Cyno01: fusillade762: On top of safety concerns, speeding increases fuel consumption. Every 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.24 per gallon for gas.

I have my doubts about this claim.

It varies WIDELY from car to car. To say cars are most efficient at 55 is an outright lie.


Generally a car is most efficient going a the lowest speed it can go in its highest gear without lugging (which is bad for the motor and inefficient). As cars have gotten more aerodynamic and taller geared that number has crept up, but that speed is nearly universally BELOW 55, not above, so your outrage is unjustified.

The mileage penalty for going a little above the ideal speed isnt all that much, but as you start going 70 plus it really starts dropping like a stone.
 
2012-05-20 08:51:15 PM  

moothemagiccow: Oh dear god not another traffic thread. Let me sum it up: you're all assholes


Worse, a daily traffic hate thread on a year old concern troll article about something that already passed into law... that we already had a thread about last year.

I guess the mods were really hard up for a good eyeball draw today, with no good teacher scandals and strikeouts on the Daily Fail links.
 
2012-05-20 08:57:37 PM  
This is the first and probably last time that anyone in Texas has had a good idea will make it so sane people can get the fark out of the worst state in the country that much faster
 
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2012-05-20 08:57:55 PM  

Kar98: moothemagiccow: Oh dear god not another traffic thread. Let me sum it up: you're all assholes

How I feel while driving:

[www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org image 550x292]

What you guys look like to me:

[simplymarvelous.files.wordpress.com image 500x287]


I've never seen a pic of a 109 with drop-tanks before.....
 
2012-05-20 08:58:40 PM  

farkityfarker: Of course if you set the speed limit at 85 all the asshats who tack 10 to 15 miles on will be driving 95-100, speeds at which few cars or tires sold in the US are designed to travel for any extended period of time.


That's a silly argument, who do you think are the few that actually buys those cars and tires? Housewives in Corollas and Mexicans in Astros will still be driving 60.

/Fully supports restricted registrations for cars with balding tires and floaty suspensions
 
2012-05-20 09:03:08 PM  

serial_crusher: Twitch Boy: This ain't a bad idea. Most modern highways are designed for 85 mph. Better to have everyone going 85 than some people doing 85 and some people doing 70. Not to mention the police will be free to do better things.

Not sure increased police availability is a benefit for everybody. Their number 1 job in places like Johnson City is to get revenue for the city by writing frivolous speeding tickets. I'm not saying they're not still looking at this as a good thing though, just that your reasoning isn't why. Instead of dropping the speed limit from 70 to 45 like they do now, this law will probably give them the idea to add at least 5mph to the faster of those two limits.


SOMEONE just got a big ticket
 
2012-05-20 09:07:41 PM  
This will make my drive to Marfa a lot more enjoyable.
 
2012-05-20 09:09:34 PM  
quickie quiz:

Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?
 
2012-05-20 09:13:45 PM  

TemperedEdge: Myra Maines: read your comment then looked at your profile .... figures

What figures, exactly? I'm curious, so please, by all means, enlighten me...

/has an innocuous profile


I hardly think that all drivers in your state are perfect, so that rules out your Weeners.
The pomposity with which you generalize the citizens of this state shows me that you have grossly exaggerated you self worth. So given these 2 things to go on and the fact that most likely you are a Dem I postulated that you were from a particular part of the country bashing on another part of the country that you feel is inferior to your high moral standards and saintly lifestyle. ie You are from up north. I checked you profile and confirmed my suspicions. Hence the ... figures instead of this drawn out explanation.

Just a little bit of info for you to chew on: As of 2011 there are only 4 states in the united states that have an unrestricted right to carry concealed handguns and not one of them is Texas.
Link

Another little tidbit for you: You never know who in your state is carrying either. Link
 
2012-05-20 09:14:05 PM  
1/2m v^2

Should make for some spectacular crashes.
 
2012-05-20 09:14:49 PM  

olddinosaur: quickie quiz:

Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?


Better driver's education. More law-abiding drivers. Police that are there to enforce driving discipline rather than generate revenue. Federal standards of road design. Much stricter, federal vehicle inspection regulations. Handheld cellphone use is utterly illegal.
As opposed to giving a license to anybody who can draw breath, and interstates that are about as safe as a bombing range on the outskirts of Kabul, and godawful jalopies on the roads, driven by 'tards who are yapping and posting to facebook.
 
2012-05-20 09:15:35 PM  

Myra Maines: TemperedEdge: Myra Maines: read your comment then looked at your profile .... figures

What figures, exactly? I'm curious, so please, by all means, enlighten me...

/has an innocuous profile

I hardly think that all drivers in your state are perfect, so that rules out your Weeners.
The pomposity with which you generalize the citizens of this state shows me that you have grossly exaggerated you your self worth. So given these 2 things to go on and the fact that most likely you are a Dem I postulated that you were from a particular part of the country bashing on another part of the country that you feel is inferior to your high moral standards and saintly lifestyle. ie You are from up north. I checked you profile and confirmed my suspicions. Hence the ... figures instead of this drawn out explanation.

Just a little bit of info for you to chew on: As of 2011 there are only 4 states in the united states that have an unrestricted right to carry concealed handguns and not one of them is Texas.
Link

Another little tidbit for you: You never know who in your state is carrying either. Link

 
2012-05-20 09:16:11 PM  

olddinosaur: quickie quiz:

Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?


It has speedlimits, it also has sections where the speeds are unlimited

What's german drivers ed like?

They do make those roads really nice
 
2012-05-20 09:16:38 PM  

dforkus: Cyno01: fusillade762: On top of safety concerns, speeding increases fuel consumption. Every 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.24 per gallon for gas.

I have my doubts about this claim.

It varies WIDELY from car to car. To say cars are most efficient at 55 is an outright lie.

Generally a car is most efficient going a the lowest speed it can go in its highest gear without lugging (which is bad for the motor and inefficient). As cars have gotten more aerodynamic and taller geared that number has crept up, but that speed is nearly universally BELOW 55, not above, so your outrage is unjustified.

The mileage penalty for going a little above the ideal speed isnt all that much, but as you start going 70 plus it really starts dropping like a stone.


Again, completely dependent on the car. The efficiency drop curve of a Prius or GT-R is much shallower than that of a F150 or Tahoe despite the difference being only a few points of drag coefficient, due to the much smaller drag area.
 
2012-05-20 09:16:40 PM  

Mister Peejay: bunner: You ever driven through TX? I have. 85 is actually very reasonable for anything with a functional suspension. Flat. Dry. Not a lot of places worth stopping at.

I know someone who crossed Texas at 105mph, mainly because the car had a speed limiter that prevented him from going faster.


His name wasn't Kowalski, perchance?

Mister Peejay: It depends a lot on the car. I have a sportscar that has a comfort speed of about 62mph. I have a VW that doesn't really start to hit its stride until 80.

You'd think it would be reversed, no?


Hmm. Well, apart from the fact that VAG puts out many sports cars these days (see also: Lamborghinii, Porsche, Audi)... what is your 100kph sports car? Which VW "hits its stride" at 80?

And you don't seem to get that engines have gears; for example, my Ninja will pull like a motherfucler at 10000 RPM (I did just invent that figure; have been off the bike too long) but no vehicle will struggle, and then "hit its stride at 80".

Engines produce their peak power and torque at a certain RPM. Gears are used to translate that into the ability to drive a vehicle.

/if your car seems to lack power, you may need to learn how to short-shift.
//99 ZX-6r, 08 Triumph Speed Triple, Mark IV Vauxhall Astra, and occasionally 09 p.Skoda Fabia (aka VW Polo, I think)
 
2012-05-20 09:19:15 PM  

Kar98: I need some sort of small missile launcher that auto-targets and destroys every beige Camry in sight.


Especially the ones with the third tail-light that blinks. Those are farking annoying.

Anyway, to those of you bringing up Houston and Dallas... These 85 MPH limits wouldn't apply anywhere near there. We don't get anything above 65MPH in the city (with a few minor exceptions, such as a stretch of TX161 that's posted 70). Most of it is 60 and below.

The 85MPH limits would only apply to the miles and miles of miles and miles out in West Texas, where we currently have 80MPH limits, and the only limits to visibility are due to heat waves coming up off the roads. So, if you're heading out I-10 or I-20 toward Midland/Odessa or El Paso, sure, you might get to save some time. That drive would be boring even in time-lapse. That is, unless you did it Hunter S. Thompson style...

spatula-city.org

And for the folks complaining about fuel consumption -- it's not like there's a ton of cars out there on those roads. You should worry more about all the cars getting 0MPG stuck idling in traffic in the city.
 
2012-05-20 09:19:33 PM  

olddinosaur: Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?


consistency of driver training and ability? I'm not sure how comparable the two cases are...

KarmicDisaster: 1/2m v^2
Should make for some spectacular crashes.


the equation you want is p=mv, along with the linear conservation of the quantity so calculated.

cheers
 
2012-05-20 09:27:56 PM  
blogs.cars.com
 
2012-05-20 09:29:46 PM  
The problem I see is not that the cars/suvs/pickumups can't do 85, it's that some drivers are not ready for the change in vehicle dynamics at that speed, the reactions to small vertical perturbations, the drift in corners, the interstates were designed (banked) for 65~70 so there will be a need to steer into the corner. Now we gotta watch out for snowflake on their cell phone getting behind the curve??????
 
2012-05-20 09:29:47 PM  

Kar98: olddinosaur: quickie quiz:

Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?

Better driver's education. More law-abiding drivers. Police that are there to enforce driving discipline rather than generate revenue. Federal standards of road design. Much stricter, federal vehicle inspection regulations. Handheld cellphone use is utterly illegal.
As opposed to giving a license to anybody who can draw breath, and interstates that are about as safe as a bombing range on the outskirts of Kabul, and godawful jalopies on the roads, driven by 'tards who are yapping and posting to facebook.


A driver's license is also much, much more expensive and I'm almost positive you have to be 18 to drive anything above a moped.

And IIRC, the Autobahn does have speed limits in high-traffic areas near major industrial centers.
 
2012-05-20 09:31:14 PM  
I use to work 7 day stints in Texas in rural areas. 70MPH everywhere but in towns, those people out there scared the crap out of me. Not going 75? Move over. Meeting people in curves that normally be in a 55MPH but say 45MPH warning sign, Texans still going 70MPH.
 
2012-05-20 09:31:26 PM  

farkityfarker: Of course if you set the speed limit at 85 all the asshats who tack 10 to 15 miles on will be driving 95-100, speeds at which few cars or tires sold in the US are designed to travel for any extended period of time.


It's not automatic that people add 10 or 15 to whatever the speed limit is.

Roads with 85th percentile determined speed limits show this in numerous studies.

On a personal note, I rarely go above 90 no matter what the limit-might be fear of being arrested going past 100.
Late night, freeway, minimal traffic, 65 mph limit-did 85 to 90.
Same freeway outside of town, nearly zero traffic, 75 mph limit-did 85-90.
Under your rules, I would have added 20-25 to the 75 no different then I did the 65.

When driving between Las Vegas and Reno, This Guy I Know set cruise control at 95 and found himself moving at or just above the average flow of traffic. The road was poorly set up for 75, much less 95-the highway itself was high quality, but it was undivided with one lane in each direction. He figured that a head on at 75 or 95 would be equally damaging, but did slow down when approaching oncoming cars.
 
2012-05-20 09:56:16 PM  
I approve any, ANY law that makes my drive through Texas faster. It's the only state I feel compelled to speed through (although Louisiana is a close second).
 
2012-05-20 09:59:10 PM  

Kar98: What did you think they were trying to keep rolling in the Rawhide theme?


Having never watched Rawhide (and only being vaguely aware what it even is...)
 
2012-05-20 09:59:47 PM  

gweilo8888: What the fark is a dogie?


i291.photobucket.com



THIS (youtube clicky pops)
 
2012-05-20 10:01:56 PM  
This would only be in areas where the road conditions are good and the traffic is light. I-10 between the hill country and El Paso and that toll way outside of Austin would likely be the only places with this limit. Maybe some other places If you have been on those roads, 85 mph isn't unreasonable.
 
2012-05-20 10:05:00 PM  

gweilo8888: Kar98: What did you think they were trying to keep rolling in the Rawhide theme?

Having never watched Rawhide (and only being vaguely aware what it even is...)


I haven't watched it either, but surely you are aware of the Blues Brothers movie?
 
2012-05-20 10:05:47 PM  

born_yesterday: Kar98: olddinosaur: quickie quiz:

Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?

Better driver's education. More law-abiding drivers. Police that are there to enforce driving discipline rather than generate revenue. Federal standards of road design. Much stricter, federal vehicle inspection regulations. Handheld cellphone use is utterly illegal.
As opposed to giving a license to anybody who can draw breath, and interstates that are about as safe as a bombing range on the outskirts of Kabul, and godawful jalopies on the roads, driven by 'tards who are yapping and posting to facebook.

A driver's license is also much, much more expensive and I'm almost positive you have to be 18 to drive anything above a moped.

And IIRC, the Autobahn does have speed limits in high-traffic areas near major industrial centers.


Also, they have a kick ass country wide rail system on top of local mass transit.

They will also yank that heinously expensive license at the drop of a hat, and once lost it's hideously expensive and difficult to get back.

They learn how to drink, and the consequences thereof, well before they learn how to drive. Alcohol is not the puritanical bogeyman there it is in America.

As someone who used to drive Atlanta-Lubbock a few times a year, I have zero problems with the increased limit. Particularly once you hit the South Plains.
 
2012-05-20 10:16:29 PM  

myagki_ruki: I-29 between Sioux City, IA and Sioux Falls, SD. A whole bunch of nothing but farms. 116mph but I could've gone faster if I had not gotten spooked at the grooved pavement.

I-90 in Wyoming somewhere near Devils Tower. Nothing whatsoever, not even a telephone pole. Land is all scrub. 110mph in the right lane, fastest the rental crap would go. People passing me all afternoon.


Hey, do whatever you want West River and Wyoming but that East River South Dakota stretch you're talking about actually has some people. The speed limit is 75 and that stretch is not all straight, has traffic, and has construction closing a lane somewhere along the way every summer. I keep the cruise control on 75 and stay in the right lane, and I've done it at 85 sometimes, but I've never seen anyone blow past me doing 100+. That ain't normal.
 
2012-05-20 10:18:29 PM  
Wait, you mean I can't go double the speed limit anymore? Dammit. Now I'm gonna have to put another $4k under the hood.
 
2012-05-20 10:18:58 PM  
I just looked it up. In 2010, there were 20 fatalities on I-10 in the counties where the speed limit is 80, east of El Paso county. That is over about 450 miles.

Someone with more time than me could compare this to other freeways and normalize for traffic volume.
 
2012-05-20 10:19:21 PM  
I-10 out in far west Texas is already 80. Another 5 MPH isn't going to matter.
 
2012-05-20 10:31:38 PM  
Oh how I weep for you younger kids. Never learnt good speling. This was a cow hand's song on the Chisolm Trail.

Get along, little doggies. (In the Skeleton Key because it goes anywhere)

Oh, little doggies,
It's your misfortune and not of my own.
Whoop-ee-ti-yi-o get along little doggies,
You know that Wyoming will be your new home.

A cattle trail drunk and a hard road to travel,
That old Jack O' Diamonds is a hard card to play.
Get along, get along, get along little doggies,
Get along little doggies and be on your way.

Whoop-ee-ti-yi-o get along little doggies,
It's your misfortune and not of my own.
Whoop-ee-ti-yi-o get along little doggies,
You know that Wyoming will be your new home.

Some boys have bit this old cow trail for pleasure,
But that's where they get it most awfully wrong.
I wish I could tell you the troubles they give us,
As we go rolling these doggies along.

Whoop-ee-ti-yi-o get along little doggies,
It's your misfortune and not of my own.
Whoop-ee-ti-yi-o get along little doggies,
You know that Wyoming will be your new home.
 
2012-05-20 10:33:19 PM  
That section of 80 MPH through Beaver is sweet. But it always comes too fast.
 
2012-05-20 10:33:52 PM  

tzzhc4: I live in Texas and we already have highways where you can drive 70mph and people typically drive 85mph. I imagine if they up it to 85mph people will be doing 100mph.


Where in Texas are you? Because here in the Austin area, everybody seems to drive like somebody's 90 year old grandmother. I have never in my life seen such timid drivers. The only stretch of road I know of around here where the majority of cars are actually traveling at or above the speed limit is on 71 out toward the airport during morning rush hour. (Evening rush hour is a completely different story. Apparently I'm the only one around here who actually wants to go home after work.)

The only people who are going to drive faster when they get around to actually raising the speed limits are people like me, who are comfortable driving faster but can't afford to get pulled over. On the other hand, if the cops want to make up for the lost revenue, maybe they'll start ticketing the morons who insist on tootling along in the fast lane at 10 miles below the limit. THAT I would love to see.

/Try the stretch of I-95 between DC and Baltimore -- compared to that, even California drivers were positively sedate.
 
2012-05-20 10:34:50 PM  

loonatic112358: Rapmaster2000: You can be really stupid like me and drive 142mph on I-285 at 2am.Years later I still think "wow, that was an unsafe idea."/2001 acura cl-s

the fastest I have ever taken a vehicle on a public road is 113 which is where the rev limiter kicked in on my Dodge Intrepid


120 in a Corvette (with the top down) on the way to Vegas. Only very briefly, though. It started getting pretty scary around 110 or so.
 
2012-05-20 10:38:42 PM  

gglibertine: tzzhc4: I live in Texas and we already have highways where you can drive 70mph and people typically drive 85mph. I imagine if they up it to 85mph people will be doing 100mph.

Where in Texas are you? Because here in the Austin area, everybody seems to drive like somebody's 90 year old grandmother. I have never in my life seen such timid drivers. The only stretch of road I know of around here where the majority of cars are actually traveling at or above the speed limit is on 71 out toward the airport during morning rush hour. (Evening rush hour is a completely different story. Apparently I'm the only one around here who actually wants to go home after work.)

The only people who are going to drive faster when they get around to actually raising the speed limits are people like me, who are comfortable driving faster but can't afford to get pulled over. On the other hand, if the cops want to make up for the lost revenue, maybe they'll start ticketing the morons who insist on tootling along in the fast lane at 10 miles below the limit. THAT I would love to see.

/Try the stretch of I-95 between DC and Baltimore -- compared to that, even California drivers were positively sedate.


71 is a great driving road past Bastrop all the way to I-10. Watch you speed through La Grange
 
2012-05-20 10:53:38 PM  
Umm...the roads in TX were DESIGNED for 85....darwin applies to those east coast states with suckass roads.
 
2012-05-20 10:54:59 PM  

Twitch Boy: This ain't a bad idea. Most modern highways are designed for 85 mph. Better to have everyone going 85 than some people doing 85 and some people doing 70. Not to mention the police will be free to do better things.

The only issue I have with these climbing speed limits is that some cars can't DO 85. It takes an act of God to make a Geo Metro or Jeep Wrangler go that fast, especially in a headwind.


You know that second word in the phrase "speed limit?" It means something.

Both parts of your post imply that an 85mph limit is a "drive at 85mph" mandate. As long as the minimum limit is under 70, there will still be people going slower than 85mph, either because their cars can't handle it or because they are making a personal choice. Nothing wrong with any of that.
 
2012-05-20 10:56:14 PM  

olddinosaur: quickie quiz:

Can any of you Farkers explain why the German Autobahn has a lower rate of death per million miles than an American freeway, when it has no speed limits?


Because you can't drive until you are 18, and you ahve to go thru several years of serious drivers ed.
 
2012-05-20 11:00:58 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: 65 is the minimum, butt munching.


I have to pay an extra $100 for that.
 
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