SubBass49: Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right?

He was facebook friends with a bunch of his students, so basically, yeah, he did.

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: s2s2s2: So,it's ok to start ridiculing Muslims for believing the same shiat, or do we still need to pretend they are just a precious, cultural treasure?

Without Muslims you wouldn't have: [...]

I'm curious as to how you came up with that list, because many of the items on it are just not believable. Are you seriously claiming that Muslims invented bathing, to just pick one example? Nobody thought of bathing before ~600 CE?

Dwight_Yeast: The fact that it shows up in carved pillars in temples in India is pretty much rock-solid proof.

Agreed. I read some comments below that suggested it was even before that. No specifics recalled.
I know we are off topic but it's your fault you jingled my geek bell lol.
Reading The Heart of the World- Ian Baker.

baka-san: SubBass49: Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right?

Middle School Teacher with some of his students friended...

so, stupid no matter what his beliefs are.

Salt Lick Steady: SubBass49: Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right?

He was facebook friends with a bunch of his students, so basically, yeah, he did.

Mmmm...still a bit iffy. Yeah, bad choice to "friend" current students (I teach high school and don't even go there). But I still think that in our nation you're entitled to your opinion. If he lets it impact the way he teaches his students in any negative way, then by all means crucify the guy, but I've never been a big fan of the whole "teachers need to be impeccable beings with no perceptible flaws" argument that seems to prevail in this country. Teachers are humans (at least until the Republicans can find a way to profit from robotic ones).

SubBass49: Apparently some people disagree with this if you happen to be a teacher though. Slippery slope and I don't want to go there.

You drive a good point. I wonder though, should he have friended his students?
Is that wise?

smeegle: SubBass49: Apparently some people disagree with this if you happen to be a teacher though. Slippery slope and I don't want to go there.

You drive a good point. I wonder though, should he have friended his students?
Is that wise?

Not at all...not even a little bit

LoneWolf343: So, aside from priests who molest children, Televangelists who extort money from their "flock", and a nation-wide martyr complex, what have the Christians given us?

Big Bang theory
Genetics
Hospitals and medical science...

Don't forget about the aqueducts and the road!

(not joking; the Renaissance was set into motion by the well-educated clergy in Italy who supported the digging into the ancient past and eventually decided they would exceed the glories of ancient Rome... in the name of God, of course.)

SubBass49: I've never been a big fan of the whole "teachers need to be impeccable beings with no perceptible flaws"

Well of course I agree with that, and frankly I don't much care that he's a bigoted asshole (though it would be nice if he weren't). But having current students as facebook friends AND posting a bigoted message for them to see leads me to believe he has pretty bad judgment.

There was a recent NPR show about the issue of teachers using social media, and it was pretty interesting... can't remember which one though. TOTN maybe?

Salt Lick Steady: SubBass49: I've never been a big fan of the whole "teachers need to be impeccable beings with no perceptible flaws"

Well of course I agree with that, and frankly I don't much care that he's a bigoted asshole (though it would be nice if he weren't). But having current students as facebook friends AND posting a bigoted message for them to see leads me to believe he has pretty bad judgment.

There was a recent NPR show about the issue of teachers using social media, and it was pretty interesting... can't remember which one though. TOTN maybe?

Would love a link if you find one...sounds interesting

SubBass49: Not at all...not even a little bit

Agreed, and that's where I fault him. He has a right to spew whatever craap he wants on his FB page, but making it accessible to his students seems irresponsible. What urns me about this is not his opinion, I could give a flap, it's that he justifies his actions based on his personal belief system, regardless of the consequences.
It's arrogant.

Duyogurt: I am beginning to wonder if this level of bigotry is only more widely known about because of the internet age or that religious zealots are becoming more vocal about their selective beliefs.

The internet is a double edge sword: it allows easier access to find citations and facts to debunk bullshiat, but on the other hand, it makes it easier for nutcases to spread that bullshiat.

SubBass49: I have to say, "LEAVE THE FARKING GUY ALONE" in regards to what he posts on his own facebook page. Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right?

You know where this is going to go then, right? You didn't read the article but you totally have an opinion to post that you are going to wildly guess about.

According to the paper, several of his students who were also his Facebook friends left comments on the post, something that led the school to eventually take notice.

Awkward.

SubBass49: But, as a liberal teacher

Oh god help your students if you think it's okay to draw conclusions and post opinions without having actually read the farking material.

smeegle: SubBass49: Not at all...not even a little bit

Agreed, and that's where I fault him. He has a right to spew whatever craap he wants on his FB page, but making it accessible to his students seems irresponsible. What urns me about this is not his opinion, I could give a flap, it's that he justifies his actions based on his personal belief system, regardless of the consequences.
It's arrogant.

The only reason it's an issue though is his choice of career. Teachers have faced all kinds of persecution based on their personal beliefs and this bothers me greatly. Any Joe-Shmoe could post exactly what he did and be considered a pillar of their community. A teacher does it and they're ready to be run out of town on a rail.

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: s2s2s2: So,it's ok to start ridiculing Muslims for believing the same shiat, or do we still need to pretend they are just a precious, cultural treasure?

Without Muslims you wouldn't have:

Coffee
Cameras
Experimental Physics
Chess
Soap
Shampoo
Perfume/spirits
Irrigation
Crank-shaft, internal combustion engine, valves, pistons
Combination locks
Architectural innovation (pointed arch -European Gothic cathedrals adopted this technique as it made the building much stronger, rose windows, dome buildings, round towers, etc.)
Surgical instruments
Anesthesia
Windmills
Treatment for Cowpox
Fountain pens
A numbering system
Algebra/Trigonometry
Modern Cryptology
The 3 course meal (soup, meat/fish, fruit/nuts)
Crystal glasses
Carpets
Checks
Gardens used for beauty and meditation instead of for herbs and kitchen.
Universities
Optics
Music
Toothbrushes
Hospitals
Bathing
Quilting
Mariner's Compass
Soft drinks
Pendulums
Braille
Cosmetics
Plastic surgery
Calligraphy
Manufacturing of paper and cloth

It was a Muslim who realized that light ENTERS our eyes, unlike the Greeks who thought we EMITTED rays, and so invented a camera from this discovery.

It was a Muslim who first tried to FLY in 852, even though it is the Wright Brothers who have taken the credit.

It was a Muslim by the name of Jabir ibn Hayyan who was known as the founder of modern Chemistry. He transformed alchemy into chemistry. He invented: distillation, purification, oxidation, evaporation, and filtration. He also discovered sulfuric and nitric acid.

It is a Muslim, by the name of Al-Jazari who is known as the father of robotics.

It was a Muslim who was the architect for Henry V's castle.

It was a Muslim who invented hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes, a technique still used today.

It was a Muslim who actually discovered inoculation, not Jenner and Pasteur to treat cowpox. The West just brought it over from Turkey

It was Muslims who contributed much to mathematics like Algebra and Trigonometry, which wa ...

You sound Muslim.

Seriously, most of these "inventions and discoveries" are building off of (or blatantly ripping off) knowledge from the Greeks and the Indians and the Babylonians and the Persians and the Chinese and the Romans and pretty much everyone who existed before Islam was a thing (including Christians)

In the same vein, many inventions and discoveries of the current day are based on things in your list. If you're going to claim all these things for Muslims, then the Christians get to claim things like the transistor, and penicillin, and American football, and calculus, and the whole thing turns into a silly propaganda slapfight.

/And since Muhammad based his religion off of Judaism and Christianity, you could claim that the whole of Islam was invented by a Pagan-Christian-Jew, so the transitive property gives them credit.

SubBass49: The only reason it's an issue though is his choice to friend a bunch of preteens on Facebook and then post derpy shiatof career

Dude, you're trying really hard to paint teachers as persecuted. You're failing so hard it's kinda funny.

lennavan: SubBass49: I have to say, "LEAVE THE FARKING GUY ALONE" in regards to what he posts on his own facebook page. Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right?

You know where this is going to go then, right? You didn't read the article but you totally have an opinion to post that you are going to wildly guess about.

According to the paper, several of his students who were also his Facebook friends left comments on the post, something that led the school to eventually take notice.

Awkward.

SubBass49: But, as a liberal teacher

Oh god help your students if you think it's okay to draw conclusions and post opinions without having actually read the farking material.

You do know there's a difference between posting on someone's page and posting on your own page, right?

Re: The bolded sentence though...
If you honestly think I approach commenting onan article on FARK the same way I approach my classroom material, then you are a moron of monumental proportions.

lennavan: SubBass49: The only reason it's an issue though is his choice to friend a bunch of preteens on Facebook and then post derpy shiatof career

Dude, you're trying really hard to paint teachers as persecuted. You're failing so hard it's kinda funny.

I'm not really trying hard at all. If I were trying hard, I'd post some of the multiple news articles written in the past few years that details the firing or suspension of a teacher for expressing their personal beliefs on their own time. Sounds like you and intelligent thought have a difficult relationship. Hope you can work that out some day.

SubBass49: Would love a link if you find one...sounds interesting

Found it! And it was TOTN: Link

SubBass49: Re: The bolded sentence though...
If you honestly think I approach commenting onan article on FARK the same way I approach my classroom material, then you are a moron of monumental proportions.

So now you're going to differentiate what happens outside the classroom with what happens inside? Wow. What do you tell your students when they ask you why they need to learn all the crap you teach? When my students ask me, I tell them it will help them in the real world and in their daily lives. Apparently your lessons are only relevant to inside the classroom.

It really sucks to be your students.

SubBass49: The only reason it's an issue though is his choice of career.

Teachers are more vulnerable for exactly that. Parents get weird about who will be guiding and instructing their little snowflakes.

Somebody made the mistake of writing down an opinion and, once again, you Fark liberals lose your shiat.

Typical sociopathic behavior.

lennavan: SubBass49: Re: The bolded sentence though...
If you honestly think I approach commenting onan article on FARK the same way I approach my classroom material, then you are a moron of monumental proportions.

So now...bunch of irrelevant drivel...inside the classroom.

It really sucks to be your students.

If you're as a bad at teaching as you are at trolling, I pity your students.

Vangor: SubBass49: A teacher does it and they're ready to be run out of town on a rail.

See, I do agree with you, but my distinction is made between consequences to the teacher and parental rights over the education of their children. Nothing should happen to this teacher, but the parent should be able to move their children out of (or into, frankly) or at least have assurances the beliefs of this teacher are not entering the classroom, when resources prohibit this which they inevitably do, either negatively or in lack of action to defend or support students who appear to be or who identify as homosexual. His comment should not be ignored, but his comment should not see him fired, suspended, etc..

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

SubBass49: TTLDNR...

But, as a liberal teacher that believes in ghey rights, I have to say, "LEAVE THE FARKING GUY ALONE" in regards to what he posts on his own facebook page. Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right? Guy is entitled to his opinion, however despicable it might be, because we have freedom to think how we want to in America. Apparently some people disagree with this if you happen to be a teacher though. Slippery slope and I don't want to go there.

/this teacher believes marijuana should be legal, regulated, and taxed...should I get in trouble?



If you'd read the article, you*d know he had pupils as friends.

I hope you don't teach your expert research skills to your pupils.

JRoo: If students can be suspended for what they say on facebook, shouldn't teachers be subject to the same rules?

That crossed my mind when I read in the article that they were "looking into it".

This trend of snooping into peoples FB pages is getting out of hand. This whole FB social media is getting weird.
FB entry- Uh I went shopping and took a crap today. This is my life, ain't it great?
Really?

I had this Jesusy physics teacher in high school who put aborted fetuses all over the walls in his classroom, which was perfectly acceptable in the community I lived in (rural Indiana). Anyway, he eventually got fired for repeatedly checking out porn at school.

So what I'm saying is, this guy has skeletons and they'll come out.

Bungles: SubBass49: TTLDNR...

But, as a liberal teacher that believes in ghey rights, I have to say, "LEAVE THE FARKING GUY ALONE" in regards to what he posts on his own facebook page. Didn't read the article, but I'm guessing he didn't go posting this on students' pages, right? Guy is entitled to his opinion, however despicable it might be, because we have freedom to think how we want to in America. Apparently some people disagree with this if you happen to be a teacher though. Slippery slope and I don't want to go there.

/this teacher believes marijuana should be legal, regulated, and taxed...should I get in trouble?



If you'd read the article, you*d know he had pupils as friends.

I hope you don't teach your expert research skills to your pupils.

Perhaps you should read the rest of my comments...

Rapmaster2000: So what I'm saying is, this guy has skeletons and they'll come out.

Friending Middle Schoolers is suspect.

sgnilward: WHY DOES THIS GUYS HAVE MIDDLE-SCHOOLERS AS FACEBOOK FRIENDS?

/sorry for shouting, but this needs an answer, doesn't it?



Call this a stab in the dark, but I guess the pupils he's friends with happen to be the most developed, hairiest guys in middle school.

I shall hazard the guess that in the eyes of those who would slash public budgets as "wasteful government spending" and who would condemn teachers as "9-month leeches at the public trough," this one man is just okily-dokily, and "one of the good ones."

Screw the social right-wing bastards. I've never read of a Christian commit a miserable suicide for being teased about being pious.

Vangor: baka-san: Daraymann: Somebody made the mistake of writing down an opinion and, once again, you Fark liberals lose your shiat.

Typical sociopathic behavior.


0/10

And only cause you can't use negative numbers

Says who? Bastards gets a -2/10.

Yet you cannot deny what I said is true. Farkers have a known history of threatening people with job loss if they are foolish enough to not agree with the socially enlightened point if view.

Freedom of speech means nothing to you farkers. But since the government isn't involved, superstition of freedoms is OK in your bizarre little world.

TheSopwithTurtle: Seriously, most of these "inventions and discoveries" are building off of (or blatantly ripping off) knowledge from the Greeks and the Indians and the Babylonians and the Persians and the Chinese and the Romans and pretty much everyone who existed before Islam was a thing (including Christians)

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, as Isaac Newton said.

Islamic culture in the (European) Middle Ages preserved much knowledge than had been lost in Europe and added to it with imported knowledge as well as advances made in the Muslim world, which went through a flowering of advancement in the 1000s to 1500s.

It was a lucky survival, as this information entered (or re-entered) Europe as the Renaissance began, greatly advancing and amplifying what had survived the systematic destruction of ancient knowledge by the early Christian church.

Daraymann: Freedom of speech means nothing to you farkers. But since the government isn't involved, superstition of freedoms is OK in your bizarre little world

"superstition of freedoms"?

WTF?

Daraymann: Freedom of speech means nothing to you farkers.

That's really obtuse. What you refuse to recognize is the speech has gone into legislation. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's quite another to impose that opinion upon the masses via legislation, most particularly a religiously based opinion.
Liberals and Progressives today see that, how can you not with all of the bills being passed to shut down PP and restrict women's rights and discriminate against the gay community?

You don't give a rats ass because you are a judgmental binary thinking Asshat.
That is all.