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2012-05-20 04:08:19 PM  

Selena Luna: hubiestubert: Selena Luna: It feels like you're lecturing me. Why are you lecturing me?

More along the lines of expanding upon the point you made for the mouth breathing set who seem intent on knee jerk defense of a teacher crossing the line. ;)

Well, that was my second choice. I don't think teachers should be fired for what they say or do that is posted on Facebook. This guy is an asshole, and I'm glad I don't know him, but what he says on Facebook is his prerogative. However, I question his judgement at having students of any age as Facebook "friends." In fact, even the argument that it is a good way to communicate online is bunk. Teachers can use the school's website. Teachers can use one of the three social network sites just for schools, teachers, parents and students, without friends. They can even set up a website of their own and give that site to the students and their parents. There is no need for students to see any part of their teacher's home life.


He has every right to make an ass out of himself. His judgement is more in question. Especially in the realm of Friending students. The exposure to his somewhat virulent views is a side issue to the questionable judgement of blurring the line between his professional and private life.
 
2012-05-20 04:20:20 PM  
I am in the nursing program at a local college and had to attend a presentation on the right and wrong way to use social media as a student nurse. It was pretty easy, here goes:

Rule 1: Don't talk about your patients.
Rule 2: Don't post goddamn pictures of your patients, you idiot.
Rule 3: HIPAA applies on the internets, too, so don't talk about your patients.
Rule 4: Don't try to "friend" your teachers until after they're not your teachers anymore. It's unprofessional.
Rule 5: If you get caught breaking any of these rules, you are expelled from the program, no questions asked.

Teachers have, what, a half-dozen or so in-service days per school year? They should learn this too. No talking about work and no friending people on a different level of authority, or you're farking fired. Not cool. Obviously it's not self-explanatory enough and too many people are still doing dumb shiat like this. This seems like a fairly easy concept to explain.
 
2012-05-20 04:24:12 PM  

hubiestubert: Selena Luna: hubiestubert: Selena Luna: It feels like you're lecturing me. Why are you lecturing me?

More along the lines of expanding upon the point you made for the mouth breathing set who seem intent on knee jerk defense of a teacher crossing the line. ;)

Well, that was my second choice. I don't think teachers should be fired for what they say or do that is posted on Facebook. This guy is an asshole, and I'm glad I don't know him, but what he says on Facebook is his prerogative. However, I question his judgement at having students of any age as Facebook "friends." In fact, even the argument that it is a good way to communicate online is bunk. Teachers can use the school's website. Teachers can use one of the three social network sites just for schools, teachers, parents and students, without friends. They can even set up a website of their own and give that site to the students and their parents. There is no need for students to see any part of their teacher's home life.

He has every right to make an ass out of himself. His judgement is more in question. Especially in the realm of Friending students. The exposure to his somewhat virulent views is a side issue to the questionable judgement of blurring the line between his professional and private life.


Exactly.

For Your Blog Sucks, when I went to teacher school, not friending students was a whole lesson in the Classroom Management class.
 
2012-05-20 04:37:54 PM  

offmymeds: "All this talk in the news about gay marriage recently has finally driven me to write. Gay marriage is wrong because homosexuality is wrong. The Bible clearly states it is sin. Now I do not claim it to be a sin any worse than other sins. It ranks in God's eyes the same as murder, lying, stealing, or cheating. His standards are perfect and ALL have sinned and fallen short of His glory. Sin is sin and we all deserve hell. Only those who accept Christ as Lord and daily with the help of the Spirit do their best to turn from sin will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. There aren't multiple ways to get to Heaven. There is one. To many this may seem close minded and antagonistic, but it doesn't make it any less true. Folks I am willing to admit that my depravity is just as great as anyone else's, and without Christ I'd be destined for hell, if not for the undeserved grace of God. I'm not condemning gay marriage because I hate gay people. I am doing it because those who embrace it will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven. And I desire that for no one."

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Translation for the sane: "I don't hate gay people, this imaginary sky-friend that exists only in my imagination and that I choose to believe in hates gay people, it's not my fault I choose to believe in this nonsense that bronze-age barbarians made up!"
 
2012-05-20 04:39:34 PM  

Selena Luna: Exactly.

For Your Blog Sucks, when I went to teacher school, not friending students was a whole lesson in the Classroom Management class.


THAT I didn't have to worry about in the 90s, but professional ethics was a huge portion of CM. Which, apparently, our Beamish Boy figures is just ghey...
 
2012-05-20 04:43:39 PM  

hubiestubert: Selena Luna: Exactly.

For Your Blog Sucks, when I went to teacher school, not friending students was a whole lesson in the Classroom Management class.

THAT I didn't have to worry about in the 90s, but professional ethics was a huge portion of CM. Which, apparently, our Beamish Boy figures is just ghey...


Yeah, part of managing a group of students is avoiding acting like an idiot. This means keeping your opinions that may be inadvertent opinions about students to yourself, amongst other things.
 
2012-05-20 04:51:04 PM  

Lackofname: Duyogurt: I am beginning to wonder if this level of bigotry is only more widely known about because of the internet age or that religious zealots are becoming more vocal about their selective beliefs. Given what we've been subject to historically and only more recently, I can only get the feeling that Christianity in America, while still widely accepted, is in its death-throes. A society simply cannot thrive if these are the types of people in power positions and instructing the youth. This man should not be a teacher. He should be selling pencils out of a tin cup on the side of the road.

The issue is not Christianity. Notice that Europe's leaders are Christian. But being an off-your-rocker wingnut isn't a virtue over there.


SO MUCH THIS, but maybe 'Xian' is a better term. They're certainly hot on calling themselves Christian, so the names need to sound alike enough so that everyone knows who we're talking about.
 
2012-05-20 04:56:28 PM  
I don't see what marriage will change if he believes they are already going to hell for farking each other anyway. Let them live happy since they will be in hell later. Ass.
 
2012-05-20 05:02:42 PM  
He also said cheating and lying were tantamount to murder. He says all sins are equal, which is what it says in the bible. He was actually being quite reasonable for a Christian. Most Christians claim to believe all sins are equal, but they attack homosexuality with an extra-special ferocity that belies their claims that they're not homophobic. This teacher has integrity and is at least being consistent.

/Gay atheist who does not believe homosexuality is wrong, much less a "sin".
//Appreciate it when Christians are reasonable, even when I completely disagree.
 
2012-05-20 05:10:52 PM  

eddiesocket: /Gay atheist who does not believe homosexuality is wrong, much less a "sin".


Well, I certainly hope so :-)
 
2012-05-20 05:14:48 PM  

eddiesocket: He also said cheating and lying were tantamount to murder. He says all sins are equal, which is what it says in the bible. He was actually being quite reasonable for a Christian. Most Christians claim to believe all sins are equal, but they attack homosexuality with an extra-special ferocity that belies their claims that they're not homophobic. This teacher has integrity and is at least being consistent.

/Gay atheist who does not believe homosexuality is wrong, much less a "sin".
//Appreciate it when Christians are reasonable, even when I completely disagree.


If he's "fair and reasonable", why isn't he also attacking people who eat shrimp, wear mixed fabric, toil on the Sabbath, suffer menstruating women to be near them, or plant more than one crop in a plot? He's still focusing solely on homosexuality.

Maybe Christians should stop nitpicking over things the ancients called "sins" that hurt absolutely no one and focus on the actual sins. You know, murder, stealing, adultery, lying, coveting, things that actually do harm others.
 
2012-05-20 05:19:34 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: If he's "fair and reasonable", why isn't he also attacking people who eat shrimp, wear mixed fabric, toil on the Sabbath, suffer menstruating women to be near them, or plant more than one crop in a plot?


Not a Christian, but from what I'm given to understand, those were laws from Leviticus that were ruled obsolete in the New Testament. Homosexuality is condemned in places other than Levicitus as well.
//Though this doesn't explain why most anti-gays quote Leviticus when they condemn gays, granted.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Maybe Christians should stop nitpicking over things the ancients called "sins" that hurt absolutely no one and focus on the actual sins. You know, murder, stealing, adultery, lying, coveting, things that actually do harm others.


Agreed. This guys is wrong. But simply saying he thinks gays are tantamount to murderers is not presenting the full picture and is unfair.
 
2012-05-20 05:23:02 PM  

Duyogurt: I am beginning to wonder if this level of bigotry is only more widely known about because of the internet age or that religious zealots are becoming more vocal about their selective beliefs. Given what we've been subject to historically and only more recently, I can only get the feeling that Christianity in America, while still widely accepted, is in its death-throes. A society simply cannot thrive if these are the types of people in power positions and instructing the youth. This man should not be a teacher. He should be selling pencils out of a tin cup on the side of the road.


It's only that it's becoming more widely known, and also that it's becoming less acceptable to the mainstream. Back in the Olden Days, jerks like this would not have been posting their views on Facebook; they would have been keeping it amongst their equally bigoted friends, and nobody else would have known about it. If his view did leak out, nobody would have cared much, because it was OK not to like gays.

Today, idiots post their bigotry for the world to see, and it's not an approved behavior anymore, especially for teachers who might have to deal with kids confronting their own gender issues. Even people who dislike gays are not going to be happy with the idea of a teacher telling a troubled kid God hates him because he's gay. Both bigotry as a way of life and silent consent to bigotry are slowly going the way of the dinosaur, thank Kali.
 
2012-05-20 05:27:10 PM  

eddiesocket: But simply saying he thinks gays are tantamount to murderers is not presenting the full picture and is unfair


Why? He says that all sins are equal, thus, those who are homosexuals (in his view) are committing sins that are just as wrong as murder.
 
2012-05-20 05:29:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: eddiesocket: But simply saying he thinks gays are tantamount to murderers is not presenting the full picture and is unfair

Why? He says that all sins are equal, thus, those who are homosexuals (in his view) are committing sins that are just as wrong as murder.


Those who cheat on their math test are committing sins just as wrong as murder, too ,according to his beliefs. Doesn't mean he thinks people who cheat on math tests are tantamount to murderers, does it?
 
2012-05-20 06:01:00 PM  
CSB time. Gather 'round everyone.

I had a good friend who was one of the kindest, most open-minded, understanding types you could ever imagine. Just before she got married we managed to get together and catch up on each other's lives. She talked about how her husband-to-be was watching Schindler's List with her one evening and declared "Yeah, it's a sad movie and all, but they're all going to hell anyway."

Long story short, she wanted to talk to me because she didn't want me going to hell because I wasn't a true believer. I said I truly believed her husband was a world-class asshole, and if that counted for anything. Last time I ever talked to her.

/Her husband ended up as a school teacher too.
//His sister and I worked together for a while a few years later
///She thought he was a world-class asshole too
 
2012-05-20 06:02:37 PM  

eddiesocket: Those who cheat on their math test are committing sins just as wrong as murder, too ,according to his beliefs. Doesn't mean he thinks people who cheat on math tests are tantamount to murderers, does it


According to that logic, yes.
 
2012-05-20 06:15:25 PM  

SkinnyHead: He'll probably have to get himself a lawyer for expressing his religious views. I'm sure there will be people calling for him to be fired.


I'm not gonna call for him to be fired. But if he were teaching my daughter (and that school's within 45 minutes of me dammit) I would not allow him to have any contact with my daughter.

\c'mon, tell me why that's wrong
\\you miserable troll asshat
 
2012-05-20 06:22:16 PM  

eddiesocket: He also said cheating and lying were tantamount to murder. He says all sins are equal, which is what it says in the bible. He was actually being quite reasonable for a Christian. Most Christians claim to believe all sins are equal, but they attack homosexuality with an extra-special ferocity that belies their claims that they're not homophobic. This teacher has integrity and is at least being consistent.

/Gay atheist who does not believe homosexuality is wrong, much less a "sin".
//Appreciate it when Christians are reasonable, even when I completely disagree.


He says all sins are equal but that when it comes to homosexuality "those who embrace it will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven." To me that says he believes that homosexuality is the one sin that can not be forgiven. That's not consistent.
 
2012-05-20 06:24:13 PM  

eddiesocket: Keizer_Ghidorah: If he's "fair and reasonable", why isn't he also attacking people who eat shrimp, wear mixed fabric, toil on the Sabbath, suffer menstruating women to be near them, or plant more than one crop in a plot?

Not a Christian, but from what I'm given to understand, those were laws from Leviticus that were ruled obsolete in the New Testament. Homosexuality is condemned in places other than Levicitus as well.
//Though this doesn't explain why most anti-gays quote Leviticus when they condemn gays, granted.


Paul is the only other place it's mentioned, and that guy was a raving nut about EVERYTHING sexual. And like Leviticus, it's unclear what he means. Was he speaking about homo sex in regards to honoring pagan gods? Pederasty? Orgies in the streets?

Paul also never met Jesus, wasn't one of his Apostles, and did his writing almost a century after Jesus died.
 
2012-05-20 06:42:22 PM  

lennavan: The world would be a significantly better place if we just eradicated religion entirely.


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2012-05-20 06:53:01 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: eddiesocket: Keizer_Ghidorah: If he's "fair and reasonable", why isn't he also attacking people who eat shrimp, wear mixed fabric, toil on the Sabbath, suffer menstruating women to be near them, or plant more than one crop in a plot?

Not a Christian, but from what I'm given to understand, those were laws from Leviticus that were ruled obsolete in the New Testament. Homosexuality is condemned in places other than Levicitus as well.
//Though this doesn't explain why most anti-gays quote Leviticus when they condemn gays, granted.

Paul is the only other place it's mentioned, and that guy was a raving nut about EVERYTHING sexual. And like Leviticus, it's unclear what he means. Was he speaking about homo sex in regards to honoring pagan gods? Pederasty? Orgies in the streets?

Paul also never met Jesus, wasn't one of his Apostles, and did his writing almost a century after Jesus died.


If you are a biblical scholar--which most god-botherers aren't--or take the time to read same, you discover that Paul's proscriptions against homosexuality in Romans probably refers to temple prostitution, although it could also refer to the unpleasant habit older Roman men had of taking boy-slaves as sex toys. The proscription in 1 Timothy, although it specifically refers to homosexuality, is even less certain, since biblical scholars are more or less in agreement that Paul is not the author of 1 Timothy.

Also, Paul only said that homosexuals couldn't enter into Heaven. That's a long way from saying they should all die.
 
2012-05-20 07:25:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Also, Paul only said that homosexuals couldn't enter into Heaven.


Where did Paul say this?
 
2012-05-20 07:33:03 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Paul also never met Jesus,


Paul met Jesus when he saw the light.

wasn't one of his Apostles,


He is certainly described as "an" apostle.
 
2012-05-20 07:34:07 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: and did his writing almost a century after Jesus died.


All of the gospels were written long after Jesus died. The earliest one was written, if memory serves, about 60 years after Jesus died.
 
2012-05-20 08:03:45 PM  
What a fine religious rant. Very sincere and valid points, I'm sure, as far as his church and personal spiritual beliefs are concerned.

What does any of that have to do with the way we govern our country?

Funny thing about comparing homosexuality to things like theft and murder... the word "sin" doesn't appear anywhere in our legal codes, just as "misdemeanor" and "felony" don't appear in any religion's holy book. Why is it so hard for people to understand the concept that there is no direct correlation between law and religious doctrine? Just because there's overlap in a few areas doesn't mean that one is related to the other, in any way.

Gays are asking for benefits, rights, and legal protections. Not to be married in this idiot's church.
 
2012-05-20 08:09:06 PM  
I imagine that this man has never posted a similar rant about the thousands of other things sections of the Bible dislikes, nevermind the actual big issues covered in the Ten Commandments.

If you're randomly fixating on the gays, there's probably a reason. And it's not to do with politics, it's to do with your penis.
 
2012-05-20 08:17:53 PM  
The Holy Bible states that marriage is between and a woman. As a result, the majority of Americans who identify as Christians (forgive me if my assumption is in error) likely have personal beliefs along those lines.

Now, imagine a same-sex-couple in... Oh, I don't know... Thermopolis, Wyoming... Who believe they have a right to marry. As their belief differs from what is stated in the Bible, chances are they don't identify as Christians (again, forgive me if my assumption is in error).

That is how they differ.
Now... Let me tell you how they are the same.

They are both Americans, and as Americans, they are subject to the American ideal which promises them the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For many, the pursuit of happiness includes declaring one's undying love for another via marriage.

The Bible promised Christians the Kingdom of Heaven...
It never said anything about the United States of America.
 
2012-05-20 08:24:09 PM  

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: The Holy Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. As a result, the majority of Americans who identify as Christians (forgive me if my assumption is in error) likely have personal beliefs along those lines.

Now, imagine a same-sex-couple in... Oh, I don't know... Thermopolis, Wyoming... Who believe they have a right to marry. As their belief differs from what is stated in the Bible, chances are they don't identify as Christians (again, forgive me if my assumption is in error).

That is how they differ.
Now... Let me tell you how they are the same.

They are both Americans, and as Americans, they are subject to the American ideal which promises them the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For many, the pursuit of happiness includes declaring one's undying love for another via marriage.

The Bible promised Christians the Kingdom of Heaven...
It never said anything about the United States of America.


My bad.
 
2012-05-20 08:38:52 PM  

smeegle: SubBass49: The only reason it's an issue though is his choice of career.

Teachers are more vulnerable for exactly that. Parents get weird about who will be guiding and instructing their little snowflakes.


I strive for the opposite. I want someone who holds differing beliefs from myself teaching my children. This way my children will need to critically evaluate both their parents view and their teachers view and hopefully arrive at the reasons behind the conclusions on both sides. I try to provide an environment where my children feel comfortable debating me about my beliefs. I don't think this teacher would feel comfortable with children challenging his. The problem here being is that a child can just say "god thinks gays are ok" and they have provided as much evidence as this teacher has for the opposite.
 
2012-05-20 08:44:31 PM  
Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.

Agree or disagree with his beliefs on homosexuality and sin expressed on his personal Facebook page, this should not be news.

/I know, I know, it's Fark.
 
2012-05-20 08:56:39 PM  

CaspianXth: Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.


Weird, I haven't heard anyone accuse anybody of a crime, "thought" or otherwise.
 
2012-05-20 09:03:22 PM  

ordinarysteve: s2s2s2: t3knomanser: s2s2s2: So,it's ok to start ridiculing Muslims for believing the same shiat, or do we still need to pretend they are just a precious, cultural treasure?

Let me know when Muslims have hijacked one of the major political parties in the US, and repeatedly use political games to bring their regressive social policies to the forefront.

"B-b-but Muslims" is a very weak version of the tu quo que fallacy, and using it just makes you look like an idiot. Well, more like an idiot, anyway.

Right. I got my hijacking methods and venues confused. My bad.

thank goodness we have you to enlighten the discourse. You truly are a gentleman and a scholar


Not like there are any Muslim nations today that are further along with the GOP agenda.

Better?
 
2012-05-20 09:08:43 PM  

s2s2s2: ordinarysteve: s2s2s2: t3knomanser: s2s2s2: So,it's ok to start ridiculing Muslims for believing the same shiat, or do we still need to pretend they are just a precious, cultural treasure?


Better?


Not bad. I would have mentioned that conservatives are literally worse than a Hitler/Stalin hybrid but to each their own.
 
2012-05-20 09:08:59 PM  

CaspianXth: Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.

Agree or disagree with his beliefs on homosexuality and sin expressed on his personal Facebook page, this should not be news.

/I know, I know, it's Fark.


Oh look, it's another dolt who doesn't actually understand "freedom of speech".
 
2012-05-20 09:21:13 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Keizer_Ghidorah: eddiesocket: Keizer_Ghidorah: If he's "fair and reasonable", why isn't he also attacking people who eat shrimp, wear mixed fabric, toil on the Sabbath, suffer menstruating women to be near them, or plant more than one crop in a plot?

Not a Christian, but from what I'm given to understand, those were laws from Leviticus that were ruled obsolete in the New Testament. Homosexuality is condemned in places other than Levicitus as well.
//Though this doesn't explain why most anti-gays quote Leviticus when they condemn gays, granted.

Paul is the only other place it's mentioned, and that guy was a raving nut about EVERYTHING sexual. And like Leviticus, it's unclear what he means. Was he speaking about homo sex in regards to honoring pagan gods? Pederasty? Orgies in the streets?

Paul also never met Jesus, wasn't one of his Apostles, and did his writing almost a century after Jesus died.

If you are a biblical scholar--which most god-botherers aren't--or take the time to read same, you discover that Paul's proscriptions against homosexuality in Romans probably refers to temple prostitution, although it could also refer to the unpleasant habit older Roman men had of taking boy-slaves as sex toys. The proscription in 1 Timothy, although it specifically refers to homosexuality, is even less certain, since biblical scholars are more or less in agreement that Paul is not the author of 1 Timothy.

Also, Paul only said that homosexuals couldn't enter into Heaven. That's a long way from saying they should all die.


If God is so petty and vindictive that he sends people who love and care for each other into hell, then he's not a god worth worshiping. It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it or point to how everyone should do as the Christians do, only a being of evil rejects and tortures someone for a pointless reason. And a not insubstantial number of this being's followers are trying their damnedest to spread that evil throughout this country. If there is a compassionate force in this universe, they won't succeed, and America will become what it's claimed to be: a nation of equality.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: The Holy Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. As a result, the majority of Americans who identify as Christians (forgive me if my assumption is in error) likely have personal beliefs along those lines.


The Church rejected marriage for many years until they found out that they couldn't convert many of the rich and powerful without it. Until very recently, marriage wasn't about love or procreation, it was an exchange of goods, a social contract, and a way to pass inheritance. The wife was considered part of the exchange of goods, the husband bought her with a dowry. And until the 60's or so, wives were supposed to stay home and be subservient to their husbands.

Marriage is a pointless ritual that serves no purpose but to make a big show about being with someone. If we absolutely must have it, let it be available to all consenting adults of legal age regardless of orientation.
 
2012-05-20 09:47:53 PM  

CaspianXth: Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.

Agree or disagree with his beliefs on homosexuality and sin expressed on his personal Facebook page, this should not be news.

/I know, I know, it's Fark.



It isn't though. He has pupils as friends. As unprofessional as that is, it also means that is now a "work" space.
 
2012-05-20 09:59:12 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah:

Know how I can tell you didn't read my whole post?
 
2012-05-20 10:03:28 PM  
The most important lesson here is that public school teachers (and frankly almost all teachers) are idiots. Those who can't...
 
2012-05-20 10:54:31 PM  

ordinarysteve: Not bad. I would have mentioned that conservatives are literally worse than a Hitler/Stalin hybrid but to each their own


Their holocaust is being done with a creepy level of credible deniability, in spite of their undeniable incredibility.
 
2012-05-20 11:13:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: eddiesocket: But simply saying he thinks gays are tantamount to murderers is not presenting the full picture and is unfair

Why? He says that all sins are equal, thus, those who are homosexuals (in his view) are committing sins that are just as wrong as murder.


And he's just the right guy to cast the first stone, but he's also ok with leaving that judgement for Caesar (government)... pretty much anythings ok, so long as we don't leave that lovey-dovey socialist hipster Jesus decide. Have you read the crap that guy said... the beatitudes... bah... he'd probably just hug some queer and keep on "loving him like we're all god's children" or some crap, amirite?
 
2012-05-20 11:26:32 PM  

Zenzilla: smeegle: SubBass49: The only reason it's an issue though is his choice of career.

Teachers are more vulnerable for exactly that. Parents get weird about who will be guiding and instructing their little snowflakes.

I strive for the opposite. I want someone who holds differing beliefs from myself teaching my children. This way my children will need to critically evaluate both their parents view and their teachers view and hopefully arrive at the reasons behind the conclusions on both sides. I try to provide an environment where my children feel comfortable debating me about my beliefs. I don't think this teacher would feel comfortable with children challenging his. The problem here being is that a child can just say "god thinks gays are ok" and they have provided as much evidence as this teacher has for the opposite.


We live in a culture with a long history of formal persecution of homosexuals, and a continuing history of informal persecution of homosexuals. There is an unacceptable risk he'll get a child with developing homosexual tendencies in his classroom, and express his view that homosexuality is morally equal to murder. Unless he can contain these kinds of outbursts, he poses a direct threat to the healthy emotional development of those children. If he is willing to apologize, and promise to control these kinds of tirades from now on, it may be reasonable to allow him to continue teaching.
 
2012-05-21 12:54:04 AM  

hubiestubert: FlashHarry: i love that he thinks that teh ghey is the same as murder in the bible. one of the two is a commandment, jackass. the other is relegated amongst a whole litany of old-testament rules, including ones about not eating shellfish and stoning your wife to death if you find that she's not a virgin when you marry her.

so not only is the guy a homophobe (and a likely closet case), he's also a farking moron who shouldn't be teaching children anything.

To be fair, adultery is listed in the Big 10, and folks seem just fine forgiving folks of that. Apparently eating shellfish, mixing fibers, and they ghey are MORE WORSERER than breaking the ones that Yahweh specifically wrote in stone...


I don't think I've ever seen any fundies ranting and frothing at the mouth over shellfish eaters. It's just gays they have a hard on for.
 
2012-05-21 12:54:24 AM  

Dan the Schman: CaspianXth: Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.

Agree or disagree with his beliefs on homosexuality and sin expressed on his personal Facebook page, this should not be news.

/I know, I know, it's Fark.

Oh look, it's another dolt who doesn't actually understand "freedom of speech".


I understand freedom of speech. I understand that he's free to say what he wants and unless the government is punishing him for said speech, it's not a freedom of speech issue. That said, if he can be fired for expressing what is essentially mainstream Christian doctrine (the equality of all sin...it's in pretty much every denomination and in Jesus own words about how lust is equal to adultery), we're living in pretty messed up times.
 
2012-05-21 01:07:38 AM  

sgnilward: WHY DOES THIS GUYS HAVE MIDDLE-SCHOOLERS AS FACEBOOK FRIENDS?

/sorry for shouting, but this needs an answer, doesn't it?


Because he's their teacher? Stab in the dark, I know.

If I had kids I'd probably friend their teacher as well, and I can see the kids doing that too.
 
2012-05-21 01:23:58 AM  

CaspianXth: Dan the Schman: CaspianXth: Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.

Agree or disagree with his beliefs on homosexuality and sin expressed on his personal Facebook page, this should not be news.

/I know, I know, it's Fark.

Oh look, it's another dolt who doesn't actually understand "freedom of speech".

I understand freedom of speech. I understand that he's free to say what he wants and unless the government is punishing him for said speech, it's not a freedom of speech issue. That said, if he can be fired for expressing what is essentially mainstream Christian doctrine (the equality of all sin...it's in pretty much every denomination and in Jesus own words about how lust is equal to adultery), we're living in pretty messed up times.


We're living in messed-up times already. It's messed up because people who love each other and want the same rights and freedoms as everyone else are being attacked, denied, and persecuted by people who use their religion of love and peace to spread hatred and bigotry. When the so-called "Christians" stop being raging retards, we'll stop slapping their shiat.
 
2012-05-21 02:49:13 AM  
This guy sooooooooooo obviously loves the COCK.
 
2012-05-21 09:02:27 AM  

Nrokreffefp: The most important lesson here is that public school teachers (and frankly almost all teachers) are idiots. Those who can't...post tired and inaccurate cliches about those that do more for society than they themselves do


FTFY
 
2012-05-21 10:36:48 AM  

kg2095: I don't think I've ever seen any fundies ranting and frothing at the mouth over shellfish eaters. It's just gays they have a hard on for.


god hates shrimp
 
2012-05-21 08:26:48 PM  

platedlizard: sgnilward: WHY DOES THIS GUYS HAVE MIDDLE-SCHOOLERS AS FACEBOOK FRIENDS?

/sorry for shouting, but this needs an answer, doesn't it?

Because he's their teacher? Stab in the dark, I know.

If I had kids I'd probably friend their teacher as well, and I can see the kids doing that too.


Any reasonable teacher would turn down any friend request from your kids. Frankly, I would also turn down requests from my students' parents. That is just a dangerous road to go down, period. Any service where your kid can send me an instant message, can send me a private message or can otherwise communicate in a non-public manner is dangerous for a teacher. It is just as dangerous to be getting messages from their parents, I think, unless that has been agreed upon in writing. It's dangerous for me, and I'm female. It's even more dangerous for male teachers.
 
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