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(PJ Media)   So it seems that treating your precious snow-flake as a uniquely talented creative successful wunderkind can cause a complete meltdown when they hit the real word. Who could possibly have predicted that?   (pjmedia.com) divider line 269
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2012-05-20 11:25:11 AM
One day these people will be in charge. Enjoy your future, helicopter parents.
 
2012-05-20 11:32:18 AM
I congratulate that headline on being the distilled essence of numerous tired and overused cliches.
 
2012-05-20 12:01:14 PM
That's why they make antidepressants.
 
2012-05-20 12:26:49 PM
Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.
 
2012-05-20 12:35:28 PM
Pajamas Media? I'm waiting for a follow-up from their foreign correspondent: Joe the Plumber
 
2012-05-20 12:40:48 PM
Which word would that be?
 
2012-05-20 01:03:37 PM

Lando Lincoln: Which word would that be?


typo?
 
2012-05-20 01:09:09 PM
Well, that was a fun little rant

/as usual, though, it's just another biatch and moan piece that adds nothing to the discussion
 
2012-05-20 01:29:15 PM
Being in the age group that this hits, I do enjoy seeing "Baby's First Sh**storm"

/As a spectator sport, it's fantastic
 
2012-05-20 02:14:32 PM
cman

Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.

Because folks started believing in the krap printed out by Dr. Spock and a few other 'professionals' who determined that disciplinary actions using corporal punishment with kids was for Neanderthals and artificial ego boosting was the wisdom of the gods

Then, the lawyers got involved, seeing millions in potential income to be generated by suing the krap out of every educational system over newly created 'Children's Rights' violations while the politicians promptly jumped on the band wagon passing bills usually poorly thought out that penalized institutions for requiring their students to THINK.

They created the badly flawed 'no child left behind' concept, Ebonics popped up and during the same period of time, the Sex Offender plague hit, meaning kids could ruin the lives of their educators with a few, well placed lies and no repercussions.

Then parents found out they could be jailed for slapping a rebellious child who wouldn't listen and schools had to call the sex police if first graders were caught even holding hands or making anything distantly similar to something that could be considered sexual activity.

Wrap that all up in a nice bundle of the media expounding at great lengths about how a kid stepping out of his door is facing a cancerous sun, soil teaming with deadly bacteria, assorted perverts hiding behind every bush and tree waiting to grab them, lurid stories about 'killer playground equipment' and drug dealers stacked up like cord wood, waiting to force addicting, dangerous substances on them.

Then the demarcation between right and wrong gets diffused and confused as lawyers step up their game and everyone suddenly has an excuse for being a shiat.

Just for the hell of it, toss in video games where you get to slaughter everyone at whim and their creators defending their product with armies of lawyers and claiming no responsibility when little Johnny turns into a little sociopath.

Clear as mud?

In the end, you get what you got.
 
2012-05-20 02:20:48 PM

cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.



yes because people were so perfect once they hit adulthood. No overcompensating. No tyrannical dictators. No greed and self centered immature children. It's only in the past 20 years has suddenly it all gone to shiat.
 
2012-05-20 02:24:20 PM

cman: For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way


[citation needed]

I seriously doubt parenting methods were *exactly the same* as they were in, say, 1890 vs. 1690.

This is not a defense of over-parenting, mind you...
=Smidge=
 
2012-05-20 02:25:29 PM
Are these are the same people who are complaining that they racked up massive amounts of debt after getting a degree in comparative sociology?
 
2012-05-20 02:25:52 PM

intelligent comment below: cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


yes because people were so perfect once they hit adulthood. No overcompensating. No tyrannical dictators. No greed and self centered immature children. It's only in the past 20 years has suddenly it all gone to shiat.


Wow, you're good

Be that as it may, the end results are catastrophic. No disciplin from my generation. My generation feels like the world owes us something. My generation is more interested in video games than raising their own damn children. My generation expects the world to take care of them, that their actions will never have negative consequences.

Is that worth it to save a few hurt feelings?
 
2012-05-20 02:27:25 PM
A lot of people point out that the old farts stalling change and progress (see 'internet freedom', 'stem cell research', and 'marijuana legalization') will die and with their passing things will change. I'm quick to point out these kids: Easily influenced and groomed to be exactly like these old farking farts.
 
2012-05-20 02:27:33 PM
from watching the 0WS clowns, this was 100% predictable.
 
2012-05-20 02:29:09 PM

Lando Lincoln: Which word would that be?


Truck?
 
2012-05-20 02:29:46 PM

cman: Be that as it may, the end results are catastrophic.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-20 02:30:14 PM
Same old recycled truths. Snowflakes melt in the sun. Luckily, I don't have to give them special resources or worry about mommie and daddy climbing up my ass in the real world. I can just fire their snowflake. Best yet, catch it in the interview process and don't go forward.

My favorite snowflake has put in 5 applications and wants to argue us into a job. She doesn't get that retaking an application is not like retaking a test. She is into falsification at this point since the applications all have significant differences. She wants us to use the 'best' application.

Not HR- health care administration.
 
2012-05-20 02:30:15 PM

cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


LOL, you actually believe that, don't you?
 
2012-05-20 02:31:03 PM
Oh look, an article written by a conservative biatching about how the evil mean LIEBUHRALS have ruined everything and how everything was better back in his grandpappy's day. Haven't seen one of those in a whole week or so.
 
2012-05-20 02:31:30 PM
Note that this is about grades in humanities. I'm not sure someone taking such a class is likely to succeed in life whether they get good or bad grades. (Only somewhat kidding).

Math and science are pretty honest -- you know exactly what you got wrong or right. Certainly, there are grading styles that can screw up these subjects as well, but in the end the student knows what was done incorrectly.

In the humanities too you can end up with professors that have their own issues. For example, if the student isn't sufficiently "original" they might get a bad mark with some teachers, but with other teachers if the student doesn't regurgitate what the teacher themselves thinks/teaches then they get bad marks. Lastly, there is the ideas versus the presentation of the ideas -- if a student has an interesting perspective is that enough, or do they also have to use big words and proper "name dropping" of intellectual references?
 
2012-05-20 02:31:55 PM

El Freak: Oh look, an article written by a conservative biatching about how the evil mean LIEBUHRALS have ruined everything and how everything was better back in his grandpappy's day. Haven't seen one of those in a whole week or so.


Well, it is an election year.
 
2012-05-20 02:32:14 PM
Thankfully, helicopter parents have made it easy to identify the worst cases through their use of unique, designer names.

So while, John, Mary, David, Susan, and Peter should be OK, we'll be able to tell that little Braeden, Brayden, Braiden, Braaden, Braden, Bradin, Braydin, Braydun, Kynydy, and Madison will be walking nightmares.
 
2012-05-20 02:32:22 PM

intelligent comment below: cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


yes because people were so perfect once they hit adulthood. No overcompensating. No tyrannical dictators. No greed and self centered immature children. It's only in the past 20 years has suddenly it all gone to shiat.


Nope, but within the last 20 years or so we've kind of taken away the social constructs that kept a lot of that in check.

Add to that society's acceptance that the the only real crime is getting caught and you can kind of see how we got to this point.

Kids watching (and then emulating) the behavior shown by their parents, with no concerns regarding the consequences for their actions? Unpossible!!!
 
2012-05-20 02:32:30 PM
Sometimes I look at my kid (7 years old next month) and am frustrated by his behavior and lack of decorum and loudness. I discipline, cajole, bargain, and otherwise coerce him to change his behavior. This lasts for a while, but soon he's back to being the rambunctious 6 year old he always is, and my frustration returns.

Then I meet some other families who live nearby, and I realize my son is respectful, well-behaved, and kind. It really helps to see how bad other kids are when judging your own kid.
 
2012-05-20 02:32:52 PM
But wait, I thought professors were all stuffed shirt do-nothings who were just looking to rubber stamp as many students as possible onto the path of suckling at the government teat?
 
2012-05-20 02:33:05 PM
Yawn.

This game isn't new, only the players are new. This tired argument comes out about every generation, it's the result of changing values and expectations and I expect to see the same article in 20 years.

Things change and your in the midst of it, get over it.
 
2012-05-20 02:34:19 PM
Too many so-called 'parents' of today should have been sterilized.
 
2012-05-20 02:36:16 PM

cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


Actually, no. The current education system which divides kids by age, makes them all sit up straight in rows of chairs, gives them all the same curriculum no matter what their aptitude and preference, and regulates everything by a bell has only been used for little over 150 years to the broad populace.

For the vast "hundreds of thousands of years" that you mentioned, kids simply followed their parents or elders around, were taught one-on-one, mostly learned survival skills, and if they showed an aptitude for something might be allowed to enter apprenticeship in that craft/skill.
 
2012-05-20 02:37:20 PM
No data backing up this opinion. Grade inflation happens everywhere, not just high school. Colleges and universities learned 20+ years ago that it was better to lower the bar and keep students paying tuition and amassing student loan debt s/he will never be able to pay off with a sociology degree enrolled in school and working towards a better future.

The real world finally catches up, but usually it is when they get their first real job.
 
2012-05-20 02:37:21 PM

cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


Jesus, you're dumb.

"Kids/parents today" rants have been going on since before Ancient Greece. If you think this is new, then... wow.
 
2012-05-20 02:39:30 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Being in the age group that this hits, I do enjoy seeing "Baby's First Sh**storm"

/As a spectator sport, it's fantastic


I had to chuckle at that. It's not just kids, either. There's nothing quite like watching a newly-minted college graduate join the workforce, only to discover that they get paid to work. They don't get paid to just show up, or to offer their unactionable opinion, and they certainly don't get paid to play games or date during work hours.

You'd be surprised how many newly-minted developers believe that their hourly wage is reward for their attendance, and that they expect to be "rewarded" further for actually doing their jobs. Where I used to work, we used to give substantial (five figures) performance incentives, but to get in that upper tier, you had to do something that had a direct impact on the industry, not just sit at your desk and "meet expectations." Those that "met expectations" were merely paid their hourly wage - that's the "reward" for meeting expectations, after all. We expect you to work, and in return, we pay you. That's how it works. You want more? Give more, do more, be more.

To their credit, the worthwhile ones figure this out quickly (sometimes, even before their first performance review) and step up. We get a few, though, that not only don't figure it out, but get bitter & resentful over not being recognized as the precious snowflakes they so obviously are, to our eternal amusement come negotiation time.
 
2012-05-20 02:40:46 PM
Ya, that's pretty sad, but i have one better. Was applying to a police department who were looking for about 6 new officers. This was in a large city. Anyway, i was seated in the auditorium reading the handouts they gave, and got to the part about test scores, psychological testing, and physical fitness. They had it broken down to race / sex. I can't remember the exact numbers, but it went something like this. (just doing test scores, male / female would obviously be different.

white Must score at least 95 percent on written test, math, reading comprehension, etc..

Black or any other minority Must score at least 75 percent on same tests.

Now, I'm all about equality, and no matter if you are black, white, or spotted orange and yellow, you should have a fair shake. But how is this fair? I walked up to one of the instructors and asked him why the disparity in passing test scores. His reply was "we need to hire more minorities, and by lowering passing test scores, we can make this happen." I looked at him speechless for a moment..and turned to a black guy standing next to me and asked him, "Hey man, look at this shiat, you don't have to score as high as me to get a job, doesn't this insult you? They are pretty much saying that I'm smarter than you because I'm white, and you are a ignorant minority who needs the test handed to him. Aren't you insulted? The guy said "yo man, if it gets me a job what the hell do i care?" I replied "Man..you don't get it ....they are saying you're STUPID because you're BLACK!!. He just kept on with the process. This is just another acceptance of "dumb is acceptable" because we don't expect kids these days to really accomplish anything beyond leaving the house and making more slack jawed knuckle draggers.
 
2012-05-20 02:41:04 PM
FTA:

As Hilda Neatby commented in 1953, the students she was encountering at university were "distinctly blasé" about their coursework. A professor of history, Neatby was driven to investigate progressive education after noting how ill-equipped her students were for the high-level thinking required of them; her So Little For the Mind remains well-worth reading. In her assessment:

The bored "graduates" of elementary and high schools seem, in progressive language, to be "incompletely socialized." Ignorant even of things that they might be expected to know, they do not care to learn. They lack an object in life, they are unaware of the joy of achievement. They have been allowed to assume that happiness is a goal, rather than a by-product.

---

It would seem that by the author's own admission this is not a new phenomenon.

Sounds like a yenta yelling at some clouds to me.
 
2012-05-20 02:41:15 PM

meathome: Nope, but within the last 20 years or so we've kind of taken away the social constructs that kept a lot of that in check.

Add to that society's acceptance that the the only real crime is getting caught and you can kind of see how we got to this point.

Kids watching (and then emulating) the behavior shown by their parents, with no concerns regarding the consequences for their actions? Unpossible!!!



So you have no actual statistics proving your point, but you're sure all these social constructs kept it in check.

Glad we got that out of the way.
 
2012-05-20 02:41:52 PM
Whenever I see one of these stories, I think back to my experiences as a HS science teacher. Yes, there are plenty of kids who are entitled and don't want to put in any work. But there are also tons of kids who have been ridiculed and ignored for so long that their self-esteem (if there even is such a thing) is nonexistent. Hell, I've worked with kids who at 15 years old had already given up on achieving anything, not because they're lazy, but because they hold such a low opinion of their own abilities.

Also, this story comes from PJ Media, and reeks of an old man with an agenda. Hint: Progressive education = liberal education.

/back in my day, uphill 5 miles in 15 feet of snow, get off my lawn, rabble rabble rabble.
//amidoingitrite?
 
2012-05-20 02:42:58 PM

FormlessOne: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Being in the age group that this hits, I do enjoy seeing "Baby's First Sh**storm"

/As a spectator sport, it's fantastic

I had to chuckle at that. It's not just kids, either. There's nothing quite like watching a newly-minted college graduate join the workforce, only to discover that they get paid to work. They don't get paid to just show up, or to offer their unactionable opinion, and they certainly don't get paid to play games or date during work hours.

You'd be surprised how many newly-minted developers believe that their hourly wage is reward for their attendance, and that they expect to be "rewarded" further for actually doing their jobs. Where I used to work, we used to give substantial (five figures) performance incentives, but to get in that upper tier, you had to do something that had a direct impact on the industry, not just sit at your desk and "meet expectations." Those that "met expectations" were merely paid their hourly wage - that's the "reward" for meeting expectations, after all. We expect you to work, and in return, we pay you. That's how it works. You want more? Give more, do more, be more.

To their credit, the worthwhile ones figure this out quickly (sometimes, even before their first performance review) and step up. We get a few, though, that not only don't figure it out, but get bitter & resentful over not being recognized as the precious snowflakes they so obviously are, to our eternal amusement come negotiation time.


You wanna see entitlement? Try working in a government office staffed mostly by middle-aged women. It's literally a jaw-dropping experience.
 
2012-05-20 02:43:46 PM

cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


Ahahaha. After more than a thousand years of people complaining about how ruined the young generation is (Plato did!) you seriously think that finally, THIS TIME the upcoming generation is completely broken, and society will now collapse. Just like every generation before.
 
2012-05-20 02:44:11 PM

meathome: intelligent comment below: cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.


yes because people were so perfect once they hit adulthood. No overcompensating. No tyrannical dictators. No greed and self centered immature children. It's only in the past 20 years has suddenly it all gone to shiat.

Nope, but within the last 20 years or so we've kind of taken away the social constructs that kept a lot of that in check.

Add to that society's acceptance that the the only real crime is getting caught and you can kind of see how we got to this point.

Kids watching (and then emulating) the behavior shown by their parents, with no concerns regarding the consequences for their actions? Unpossible!!!


How do you reconcile this with all-time-low youth violence?
 
2012-05-20 02:44:44 PM
This thread again, eh?

The sad truth behind all of this is that people are having WAY too many children and not thinking about the concequences of that in a macro, world-view sense. This planet's resources are being used up at an exponential rate- a rate that can only be sustained for so long. And yes, your precious little Jayden or Emma has something to do with it. Believe it.

But keep banging away folks. Just keep thinking of your own little orbit.

It is my sincere hope that your children get to see/experience/suffer through that which your behavior hath wrought.

And yes, I am a hoot at parties.
 
2012-05-20 02:45:20 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Sometimes I look at my kid (7 years old next month) and am frustrated by his behavior and lack of decorum and loudness. I discipline, cajole, bargain, and otherwise coerce him to change his behavior. This lasts for a while, but soon he's back to being the rambunctious 6 year old he always is, and my frustration returns.

Then I meet some other families who live nearby, and I realize my son is respectful, well-behaved, and kind. It really helps to see how bad other kids are when judging your own kid.


Well here's the problem: You're expecting a farking 6 year old not to be rambunctious.

What the hell, man?

So long as he's polite and respects boundaries, what's the problem?
 
2012-05-20 02:45:26 PM

DrippinBalls: Too many so-called 'parents' of today should have been sterilized.


And there are so many "should have been swalloweds" running about too. My parents were harsh and I thank them for that now. I too will be demanding of my child, just with less yelling. Seriously people, set expectations for your child and hold them accountable. Reward what you want to see punish what you don't.
 
2012-05-20 02:46:13 PM

darch: This thread again, eh?

The sad truth behind all of this is that people are having WAY too many children and not thinking about the concequences of that in a macro, world-view sense. This planet's resources are being used up at an exponential rate- a rate that can only be sustained for so long. And yes, your precious little Jayden or Emma has something to do with it. Believe it.

But keep banging away folks. Just keep thinking of your own little orbit.

It is my sincere hope that your children get to see/experience/suffer through that which your behavior hath wrought.

And yes, I am a hoot at parties.


I hate to burst your bubble, but a sudden drop in population growth is disastrous. Leaves you with far too many old people and far too few able to work.
 
2012-05-20 02:46:56 PM

WhippingBoy: FormlessOne: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Being in the age group that this hits, I do enjoy seeing "Baby's First Sh**storm"

/As a spectator sport, it's fantastic

I had to chuckle at that. It's not just kids, either. There's nothing quite like watching a newly-minted college graduate join the workforce, only to discover that they get paid to work. They don't get paid to just show up, or to offer their unactionable opinion, and they certainly don't get paid to play games or date during work hours.

You'd be surprised how many newly-minted developers believe that their hourly wage is reward for their attendance, and that they expect to be "rewarded" further for actually doing their jobs. Where I used to work, we used to give substantial (five figures) performance incentives, but to get in that upper tier, you had to do something that had a direct impact on the industry, not just sit at your desk and "meet expectations." Those that "met expectations" were merely paid their hourly wage - that's the "reward" for meeting expectations, after all. We expect you to work, and in return, we pay you. That's how it works. You want more? Give more, do more, be more.

To their credit, the worthwhile ones figure this out quickly (sometimes, even before their first performance review) and step up. We get a few, though, that not only don't figure it out, but get bitter & resentful over not being recognized as the precious snowflakes they so obviously are, to our eternal amusement come negotiation time.

You wanna see entitlement? Try working in a government office staffed mostly by middle-aged women. It's literally a jaw-dropping experience.


Actually, I have - early in my working life, I had to feed myself by taking temp gigs as an admin assistant. (As an aside, here's blatant gender discrimation in the workplace - be an 18-year-old male temp that types 100+ wpm, and then watch the fun as every woman on the floor either stares at you like a mutant or assumes you're gay.) And, yes, I worked as a temp for the state of Connecticut, as a data entry specialist for citations, so listening to state government employees constantly game the system for time off, benefits, worker's comp, and so on did bother me, but, then again, it was the late 80's, and so greed was good.
 
2012-05-20 02:48:13 PM
Oh how cute. Humanities professors and students think grades in the humanities matter.
 
2012-05-20 02:49:33 PM

Flogster: Yawn.

This game isn't new, only the players are new. This tired argument comes out about every generation, it's the result of changing values and expectations and I expect to see the same article in 20 years.

Things change and your in the midst of it, get over it.


And if you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're", don't worry; you'll fit right in.
 
2012-05-20 02:50:13 PM
The clouds seem to be getting a break today. The people that normally would be outside yelling at them are in this thread.
 
2012-05-20 02:50:59 PM

jabelar: cman: Why is it that this generation's parents think that they know better than the generations that came before them when it comes to parenting? For hundreds of thousands of years parents raised their children one way, and within 20 years it all went to shiat.

Actually, no. The current education system which divides kids by age, makes them all sit up straight in rows of chairs, gives them all the same curriculum no matter what their aptitude and preference, and regulates everything by a bell has only been used for little over 150 years to the broad populace.

For the vast "hundreds of thousands of years" that you mentioned, kids simply followed their parents or elders around, were taught one-on-one, mostly learned survival skills, and if they showed an aptitude for something might be allowed to enter apprenticeship in that craft/skill.


This. A little corrective beating probably helped too.

But really- I think we just have a level of affluence that enables us to have snowflakes. We don't have any real shiat to worry about anymore. For all our 'problems' these days, we got it good. Not that far in the past, members of royal houses died of ear infections and childbirth while wearing flea traps as jewelry. Nothing like a nice piece of blood soaked cotton around your neck to trap vermin- and these were the princesses.

100 years ago, we lived in a society where 1 in 4 kids didn't live to adulthood- late Victorian England stats- not third world. Parents probably didn't put a lot of worry into Buffy's science project.
 
2012-05-20 02:51:08 PM

LavenderWolf: darch: This thread again, eh?

The sad truth behind all of this is that people are having WAY too many children and not thinking about the concequences of that in a macro, world-view sense. This planet's resources are being used up at an exponential rate- a rate that can only be sustained for so long. And yes, your precious little Jayden or Emma has something to do with it. Believe it.

But keep banging away folks. Just keep thinking of your own little orbit.

It is my sincere hope that your children get to see/experience/suffer through that which your behavior hath wrought.

And yes, I am a hoot at parties.

I hate to burst your bubble, but a sudden drop in population growth is disastrous. Leaves you with far too many old people and far too few able to work.


Yep. Just ask Japan. They're not "going extinct," as Fox would have you believe, but they are having significant economic and cultural upheaval due to a declining, aging population.
 
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