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2012-05-20 10:35:32 AM  
I scared the hell out of my much better half by screaming at the TV this morning when Bohner came on spewing his crap
 
2012-05-20 10:37:36 AM  

skilbride: But it's cool, because you will call anyone who dislikes him racist. Because that is an awesome way to win over the hearts and minds of the opposing side.


When the opposing side's argument is "hurr dur socialism" and "hurr durr, Kenyan Muslim Marxist Fascist Communist", it's hard to take them seriously.
 
2012-05-20 10:40:02 AM  

Mrtraveler01: skilbride: But it's cool, because you will call anyone who dislikes him racist. Because that is an awesome way to win over the hearts and minds of the opposing side.

When the opposing side's argument is "hurr dur socialism" and "hurr durr, Kenyan Muslim Marxist Fascist Communist", it's hard to take them seriously.


Let the teabaggers have their pathetic little persecution complex. They want it, they NEED it. They have to feel like the perpetual victim because that's what their sad ideology demands.
 
2012-05-20 10:40:44 AM  

Mrtraveler01: skilbride: But it's cool, because you will call anyone who dislikes him racist. Because that is an awesome way to win over the hearts and minds of the opposing side.

When the opposing side's argument is "hurr dur socialism" and "hurr durr, Kenyan Muslim Marxist Fascist Communist", it's hard to take them seriously.


Let the morons have their pathetic little persecution complex. They want it, they NEED it. They have to feel like the perpetual victim because that way nothing is ever their fault.
 
2012-05-20 10:41:05 AM  

Mrtraveler01: skilbride: But it's cool, because you will call anyone who dislikes him racist. Because that is an awesome way to win over the hearts and minds of the opposing side.

When the opposing side's argument is "hurr dur socialism" and "hurr durr, Kenyan Muslim Marxist Fascist Communist", it's hard to take them seriously.


Ever heard of being the bigger person? Not sinking to their level?

I'm sorry, this pisses me off because I just spent an entire day defending myself against claims that I'm a racist because OMG I looked at the actual evidence of the Zimmerman case isn't just blinding saying he shot some unarmed kid in cold blood.

So I'm a little prickly on the topic now. But seriously, racism is something that you shouldn't throw around like that - it negates the people who really are racist.
 
2012-05-20 10:41:21 AM  
OK, that was weird.

I thought it didn't go through. did some editing, and then there they both are. odd.
 
2012-05-20 10:42:59 AM  
Is GOPWere Democrats trying to sabotage economythe war effort to hurt ObamaBush?
 
2012-05-20 10:43:46 AM  

Aarontology: OK, that was weird.

I thought it didn't go through. did some editing, and then there they both are. odd.


I was confused too - I was like, "Is he posting one from a republican stand point and one from a democrat stand point to cover both his bases?" :-P

I think Fark has it out for you.
 
2012-05-20 10:45:26 AM  

skilbride: I was confused too - I was like, "Is he posting one from a republican stand point and one from a democrat stand point to cover both his bases?" :-P

I think Fark has it out for you.


I'll make them pay.

I'LL MAKE THEM ALL PAY
 
2012-05-20 10:46:35 AM  
uh, nooooooo

"Republicans have passed nearly 30 bills that would help small businesses create jobs and we are waiting on Senate Democrats to vote on these common-sense measures."


typical dem play. do something bad and accuse the other side of doing it. It is about time the dems step up, stop being so farking bipartisan and pass these bills.
 
2012-05-20 10:49:40 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: "Republicans have passed nearly 30 bills that would help small businesses create jobs and we are waiting on Senate Democrats to vote on these common-sense measures."


raventao.files.wordpress.com

Unless going after birth control creates jobs, I don't have much faith in these "common-sense" measures.

I've also learned not to trust anything with the word "common-sense" in front of it, because it's usually the opposite in most cases.
 
2012-05-20 10:49:49 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: uh, nooooooo

"Republicans have passed nearly 30 bills that would help small businesses create jobs and we are waiting on Senate Democrats to vote on these common-sense measures."


typical dem play. do something bad and accuse the other side of doing it. It is about time the dems step up, stop being so farking bipartisan and pass these bills.


Please share what some of those 30 bills were. Just a few.

/hint, the word "jobs" in a bill title doesn't mean it actually effects jobs.
 
2012-05-20 10:50:18 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: common-sense measures


Define "common sense measures."
 
2012-05-20 10:50:44 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: typical dem play. do something bad and accuse the other side of doing it. It is about time the dems step up, stop being so farking bipartisan and pass these bills.


In other words:

"Waahhhhhh...the Democrats won't cave into our absurd demands!!!!!!"

I think that sums it up eh TPOC? ;)
 
2012-05-20 10:50:48 AM  
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2012-05-20 10:51:35 AM  

NewportBarGuy: tenpoundsofcheese: common-sense measures

Define "common sense measures."


Abolishing the EPA and repealing child labor laws...you know, common-sense kind of things.
 
2012-05-20 10:53:06 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese:
typical dem play. do something bad and accuse the other side of doing it. It is about time the dems step up, stop being so farking bipartisan and pass these billsfark the poor and middle class.


fixed 'er for ya, sparky....

// there's a reason you're fav'd in retard red.
 
2012-05-20 10:53:46 AM  

skilbride: Mrtraveler01: skilbride: But it's cool, because you will call anyone who dislikes him racist. Because that is an awesome way to win over the hearts and minds of the opposing side.

When the opposing side's argument is "hurr dur socialism" and "hurr durr, Kenyan Muslim Marxist Fascist Communist", it's hard to take them seriously.

Ever heard of being the bigger person? Not sinking to their level?

I'm sorry, this pisses me off because I just spent an entire day defending myself against claims that I'm a racist because OMG I looked at the actual evidence of the Zimmerman case isn't just blinding saying he shot some unarmed kid in cold blood.

So I'm a little prickly on the topic now. But seriously, racism is something that you shouldn't throw around like that - it negates the people who really are racist.


I don't know if it's racism, and I don't think for most of them it's racism. What I do think it is for most of them is tribalism. The most tribal of the Republicans genuinely believe that the only ideas that can ever work, damn the evidence, are the ideas that members of their tribe came up with to fix the current situation. If someone from outside the tribe has any ideas, they are unequivocally bad, and they should be scorned as violently as is possible.
 
2012-05-20 10:54:56 AM  
I find it hard to reason with, or respect the intelligence of, people that can buy into the flimsiest and previously debunked theories (birthers) against this presidency but can write off established shadiness of the last president. No wmds, Halliburton no bid contracts, wars never declared, the establishment of the most freedom restrictive laws and organizations in US history and on and on. That stuff doesn't exist to them. But the President's already proven birth records do.
 
2012-05-20 10:58:01 AM  

adamgreeney: tenpoundsofcheese: uh, nooooooo

"Republicans have passed nearly 30 bills that would help small businesses create jobs and we are waiting on Senate Democrats to vote on these common-sense measures."


typical dem play. do something bad and accuse the other side of doing it. It is about time the dems step up, stop being so farking bipartisan and pass these bills.

Please share what some of those 30 bills were. Just a few.

/hint, the word "jobs" in a bill title doesn't mean it actually effects jobs.


I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer. Usually they just run away once someone asks that question.
 
2012-05-20 11:01:05 AM  
Are the liberals still using false.dichotomy as their fallacy of.choice? Combined state and federal for the US is spending 1 of every 3 dollars. How much do you idiots think they really need to spend? This has.been the slowest recovery since the great depression. What impetus is.there for creation when the government takes 1/3rd of everything? Seriously, when will liberals be happy, when they can spend 1 of every 2?
 
2012-05-20 11:02:08 AM  

Shut........UP: republican are becoming close to traitors.


In the same sense that people swimming in the ocean are becoming close to wet
 
2012-05-20 11:03:26 AM  

sunlion: Since Obama took office, a lot of bad luck has befallen America's enemies...

Osama Bin Laden: DEAD.
Mutassim Gaddafi: DEAD.
Muammar Gaddafi: RAPED TO DEATH.
Kim Jong-il: DEAD.
Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan: DEAD.
Darioush Rezaeinejad: DEAD.
Majid Shahriari: DEAD.
Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani: DEAD.
Massoud Ali Mohammadi: DEAD.
Baitullah Mahsud: DEAD.
Anwar al-Awlaki: DEAD.
Harun Fazul: DEAD.
Ilyas Kashmiri: DEAD.
Ammar al-Wa'ili: DEAD.
Abu Ali al-Harithi: DEAD.
Ali Saleh Farhan: DEAD.
Atiyah 'Abd al-Rahman: DEAD.
Hamza al-Jawfi: DEAD.
Sheik Saeed al-Masri: DEAD.
Dulmatin: DEAD.
Abu Ayyub al-Masri: DEAD.
Abu Omar al-Baghdadi: DEAD.
Muhammad Haqqani: DEAD.
Qari Zafar: DEAD.
Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan: DEAD.



I've been thinking that for a long time. It's really interesting how all these foes of the US are suddenly assuming room temperature.
 
2012-05-20 11:04:18 AM  
Jeezus! Is this even a question? They've said so on numerous occasions.
 
2012-05-20 11:04:22 AM  

Serious Black: I don't know if it's racism, and I don't think for most of them it's racism. What I do think it is for most of them is tribalism. The most tribal of the Republicans genuinely believe that the only ideas that can ever work, damn the evidence, are the ideas that members of their tribe came up with to fix the current situation. If someone from outside the tribe has any ideas, they are unequivocally bad, and they should be scorned as violently as is possible.


But how is that any different from most of the democrats you see (especially on fark.)

Both sides have reached a my way or the highway type attitude.

Like someone below commented about the EPA. The EPA is part of the reason why we're bleeding jobs overseas. The regulations that the EPA puts on manufacturing companies here is part of the reason it's impossible to compete with the countries which don't have these standards. You want to bring the manufacturing jobs back - getting rid of the EPA is one way to do it.

Not that I'm arguing the EPA doesn't have a purpose but you have to take everything into consideration - which I don't see most people doing on Fark.
 
2012-05-20 11:04:31 AM  

MyRandomName: This has.been the slowest recovery since the great depression.


So you're telling me that after the biggest recession since the Great Depression, we're having the greatest recovery since the Great Depression?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-05-20 11:04:53 AM  

Serious Black: The most tribal of the Republicans genuinely believe that the only ideas that can ever work, damn the evidence, are the ideas that members of their tribe came up with to fix the current situation.


I don't think it's even tribalism. More reductionism, as these folks love their simple answers. "Cut taxes, cut regulations, is American Idol on tonight?" Done.
 
2012-05-20 11:05:06 AM  

Mrtraveler01: MyRandomName: This has.been the slowest recovery since the great depression.

So you're telling me that after the biggest recession since the Great Depression, we're having the greatest slowest recovery since the Great Depression?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x417]


25.media.tumblr.com

/FTFM
 
2012-05-20 11:06:22 AM  

Mrtraveler01: NewportBarGuy: tenpoundsofcheese: common-sense measures

Define "common sense measures."

Abolishing the EPA and repealing child labor laws...you know, common-sense kind of things.


I don't know what you're mocking-- repealing child labor laws and birth control at the same time will create a whole new pool of job applicants within 6 years. And since at that age they are fairly expendable, businesses don't need to pay benefits or bother with safety regulations. US productivity will soar.
 
2012-05-20 11:06:40 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Serious Black: The most tribal of the Republicans genuinely believe that the only ideas that can ever work, damn the evidence, are the ideas that members of their tribe came up with to fix the current situation.

I don't think it's even tribalism. More reductionism, as these folks love their simple answers. "Cut taxes, cut regulations, is American Idol on tonight?" Done.


Basically this.

People love simple answers to very complicated things even though those simple answer are never the solution to the complicated problem.
 
2012-05-20 11:06:44 AM  

skilbride: Serious Black: I don't know if it's racism, and I don't think for most of them it's racism. What I do think it is for most of them is tribalism. The most tribal of the Republicans genuinely believe that the only ideas that can ever work, damn the evidence, are the ideas that members of their tribe came up with to fix the current situation. If someone from outside the tribe has any ideas, they are unequivocally bad, and they should be scorned as violently as is possible.

But how is that any different from most of the democrats you see (especially on fark.)

Both sides have reached a my way or the highway type attitude.

Like someone below commented about the EPA. The EPA is part of the reason why we're bleeding jobs overseas. The regulations that the EPA puts on manufacturing companies here is part of the reason it's impossible to compete with the countries which don't have these standards. You want to bring the manufacturing jobs back - getting rid of the EPA is one way to do it.

Not that I'm arguing the EPA doesn't have a purpose but you have to take everything into consideration - which I don't see most people doing on Fark.


Another way to do that is to eliminate child labor laws, OSHA, minimum wage, the 40 hour work week and many more. You're saying we should race to the bottom to compete? Or should we maybe refuse to trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards as us?

We should stand as an example, not look at the worst the world has to offer and try to match it.
 
2012-05-20 11:07:26 AM  

T-Servo: Mrtraveler01: NewportBarGuy: tenpoundsofcheese: common-sense measures

Define "common sense measures."

Abolishing the EPA and repealing child labor laws...you know, common-sense kind of things.

I don't know what you're mocking-- repealing child labor laws and birth control at the same time will create a whole new pool of job applicants within 6 years. And since at that age they are fairly expendable, businesses don't need to pay benefits or bother with safety regulations. US productivity will soar.


Look out Guatemala and Indonesia! We're coming after you!
 
2012-05-20 11:07:53 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I don't think it's even tribalism. More reductionism, as these folks love their simple answers. "Cut taxes, cut regulations, is American Idol on tonight?" Done.


Again - and the democrats don't?

"You're against Obama - you must be racist"

Seriously - that's what started this whole line of thinking.

A pox on both your houses.
 
2012-05-20 11:09:44 AM  

adamgreeney: Another way to do that is to eliminate child labor laws, OSHA, minimum wage, the 40 hour work week and many more. You're saying we should race to the bottom to compete? Or should we maybe refuse to trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards as us?

We should stand as an example, not look at the worst the world has to offer and try to match it.


No - I agree with you, a perfectly good solution would be to block trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards - but neither one of the parties is bringing that up. Why is that?

(Because one party brings up a solution, and the other party goes all WARGGGBBBLLLEEEE on them and the actual solution gets lost in all the noise.)
 
2012-05-20 11:17:04 AM  
The best selling book in the US is softcore bondage porn for women.

*wonkajpg*

Tell us again about your reality where everyone wants a return to straight laced values.
 
2012-05-20 11:17:51 AM  
Liberal Logic: Democrats control the Senate and White House, but we'll blame the GOP anyway. The Democrat Senate has not passed a budget bill in over 1000 days. Also, in the spirit of bi-partisanship, the entire Senate has rejected Democrat President Obama's budget bills 99-0, which means both Democrats and Republicans have rejected his non-sense budget bills, but ignore all of that and just point the fingers at the GOP, because Democrats are the ones who know how to create jobs.
 
2012-05-20 11:18:02 AM  
skilbride:
(Because one party brings up a solution, and the other party goes all WARGGGBBBLLLEEEE on them and the actual solution gets lost in all the noise.)

Stop pretending that the parties are interchangable. It's intellectually dishonest.
 
2012-05-20 11:19:04 AM  

MyRandomName: Are the liberals still using false.dichotomy as their fallacy of.choice? Combined state and federal for the US is spending 1 of every 3 dollars. How much do you idiots think they really need to spend? This has.been the slowest recovery since the great depression. What impetus is.there for creation when the government takes 1/3rd of everything? Seriously, when will liberals be happy, when they can spend 1 of every 2?


And yet conservatives don't mind spending over half the national budget on defense and useless wars.

'The Government' is supposed to be for and by the people. While it has been hijacked my special interests, its fundamental purpose is was to serve The People.

'The Corporation' is to make money for its owners (by any means even those harmful to society). Now, they seek to control government and remove any consequences for the evil they wrought on all of us in the name of the Almighty Dollar.

Who do you want lording over you?
 
2012-05-20 11:19:13 AM  

Vanakatherock: The Democrat Senate has not passed a budget bill in over 1000 days.


I see you fell asleep during HS Civics class.
 
2012-05-20 11:22:05 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Serious Black: The most tribal of the Republicans genuinely believe that the only ideas that can ever work, damn the evidence, are the ideas that members of their tribe came up with to fix the current situation.

I don't think it's even tribalism. More reductionism, as these folks love their simple answers. "Cut taxes, cut regulations, is American Idol on tonight?" Done.

Basically this.

People love simple answers to very complicated things even though those simple answer are never the solution to the complicated problem.


Good points, and now that I think about it, that is at least as powerful a motivator as the tribal notion. At this point though, I'm not sure it's possible to disentangle those two isms when there are virtually no ideas coming out of the GOP that can't fit on a bumper sticker.
 
2012-05-20 11:23:50 AM  

skilbride: adamgreeney: Another way to do that is to eliminate child labor laws, OSHA, minimum wage, the 40 hour work week and many more. You're saying we should race to the bottom to compete? Or should we maybe refuse to trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards as us?

We should stand as an example, not look at the worst the world has to offer and try to match it.

No - I agree with you, a perfectly good solution would be to block trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards - but neither one of the parties is bringing that up. Why is that?

(Because one party brings up a solution, and the other party goes all WARGGGBBBLLLEEEE on them and the actual solution gets lost in all the noise.)


It would also use our buying power to equal out China's economy and help indirectly lessen our debt to them.
 
2012-05-20 11:25:29 AM  
"All that uncertainty has us cautious, and we're scaling back our hiring expectations," said Eric Remington, vice president of Kaman Corp., which recently canceled plans to hire 200 new workers at a defense aerospace plant in Jacksonville, Fla. welfare queen.

There, that's better.
 
2012-05-20 11:26:55 AM  

Flatulent_Flea: skilbride:
(Because one party brings up a solution, and the other party goes all WARGGGBBBLLLEEEE on them and the actual solution gets lost in all the noise.)

Stop pretending that the parties are interchangable. It's intellectually dishonest.


Stop pretending one party has the answer, that's just moronic since both motivated by self serving interests.

God forbid they call for budget cuts, how horrible!!!!!

As for the tax rates, how about just close the loopholes the old time rich use to evade some taxes? Most tax raises only hurt the new rich who don't know the rules or can't afford a good tax attorney. Its like people biatching about capital gains tax, the rich always hide that shiat while the poor end up getting farked over when they have to sell family land because they can't afford the huge tax bill. It guarantees money stays in the right pockets instead of daring to let others end up with wealth.
 
2012-05-20 11:27:47 AM  

T-Servo: I don't know what you're mocking-- repealing child labor laws and birth control at the same time will create a whole new pool of job applicants within 6 years. And since at that age they are fairly expendable, businesses don't need to pay benefits or bother with safety regulations. US productivity will soar.


It's funny, really. My theory is that the "people leaving the workforce" argument is filled by substantial numbers of people who have put off retirement since 2008 when their 401(k)s blew out. 3-4 years would get a lot of people closer to the full SS payout, plus if they are getting a pension or some kind of buyout, they can hold off for more money to help replace the nest egg they lost when they invariably sold everything for fear of it going to 0 and didn't put it back in during 2009.

I can't prove this because I don't think BLS has numbers for why people drop out, just that they do.

I don't see substantial job creation, but a lot of younger people moving into the slots opened up by those leaving (finally). Workforce retention past a certain age is a topic rarely discussed. It slows down the ability of the young to get that first job, and for everyone else to advance to the next rung.

The President can't force demand in an economy. They can help by saying "To defeat the terrorists, GO SHOPPING!" But, that isn't exactly a policy. They just try to put on a happy face and get everyone to feel confident so they will spend more. Then they try to get everyone into a home, then use that home equity to borrow against and buy a boat and a third car.

It's like they want to teach everyone vulture capitalism. Get an asset, borrow heavily against that asset, then just walk away from the asset (mortgage). Dems did help with the home loan thing. Not the deregulation, but they wanted to give poor people an asset so they could begin to build actual wealth in families that had not had wealth in their history. Republicans used the Dems and their desire to build a more financially stable lower-class as a way to steal billions in the mortgage market by removing any and all regulation. That cost trillions. If we had just followed the Dem plan, and didn't let the Republicans do this:

http://www.propublica.org/article/banks-favorite-toothless-regulator -1 125

Link


Even if we did abolish the EPA and "relaxed" child labor laws, none of that will create demand. I have to think that as dumb as they are, even they know that. They just don't want companies beholden to any law on their function whatsoever. The only thing that can create more demand is more people with more money who feel comfortable buying more things they likely don't need but want. Until they grasp that concept, they will continue to pray to the tinkle fairy to rain golden prosperity down from on high.
 
2012-05-20 11:30:36 AM  

skilbride: adamgreeney: Another way to do that is to eliminate child labor laws, OSHA, minimum wage, the 40 hour work week and many more. You're saying we should race to the bottom to compete? Or should we maybe refuse to trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards as us?

We should stand as an example, not look at the worst the world has to offer and try to match it.

No - I agree with you, a perfectly good solution would be to block trade and import from countries that don't follow the same standards - but neither one of the parties is bringing that up. Why is that?

(Because one party brings up a solution, and the other party goes all WARGGGBBBLLLEEEE on them and the actual solution gets lost in all the noise.)


It's pretty simple unfortunately: there's nowhere near as much money in fair trade as there is in so-called free trade. Politicians want to get re-elected, and one of the easiest ways to ensure that happens is to spend more money than the competition. I will say that there were (and still are probably) a lot of people on FARK who were very supportive of Buddy Roemer's campaign, a significant part of which was focused on fair trade policies.
 
2012-05-20 11:31:14 AM  

steamingpile: As for the tax rates, how about just close the loopholes the old time rich use to evade some taxes?


We can't do that. We'll hurt the precious job creator's feelings according to the GOP every time the Democrats propose to do that.
 
2012-05-20 11:31:31 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Vanakatherock: The Democrat Senate has not passed a budget bill in over 1000 days.

I see you fell asleep during HS Civics class.


So, wait. Now I have to take a HS Civics class to understand that Democrats haven't passed a budget in over 1000 days, or so you may understand it better, 3 years? Thanks, I'll sign up!
 
2012-05-20 11:33:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: They just don't want companies beholden to any law on their function whatsoever.


We have a winner!
 
2012-05-20 11:34:13 AM  

Vanakatherock: Mrtraveler01: Vanakatherock: The Democrat Senate has not passed a budget bill in over 1000 days.

I see you fell asleep during HS Civics class.

So, wait. Now I have to take a HS Civics class to understand that Democrats haven't passed a budget in over 1000 days, or so you may understand it better, 3 years? Thanks, I'll sign up!


You forgot where budget bills start didn't you?
 
2012-05-20 11:35:40 AM  

eraser8: MeinRS6: Like Obama and the Dems need any help to destroy the economy.

And, how, exactly, have Obama and the Dems destroyed the economy?

Be specific.


They extended the Bush tax cuts?
 
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