Weaver95: 9beers: kiwimoogle84: My question is this- why is the crack down on weed so important when there's still drug lords pumping tons of coke and heroin into the US still?

Who said it's more important than other illegal drugs?

well, cannabis IS listed as Schedule I, so one would presume that it was higher up on the hit list than cocaine and heroin, which are listed as Schedule II.

higher than meth?? impossible. i heard that meth kills and damages your reputation. so that people have to have sex with u.

"marijuana" is an illegal substance smoked by certain people in order to get "high". Others to stay alive, but they don't matter.

better believe she approves

KimNorth: Really? Because My friends and I am way more concerned about being shot at by illegal aliens when we unknowingly come up on or to close to one of their grows while hiking in our national forest.

Maybe you could work on that and the fact they start many of our fires while out there.

Leave the little guys alone.

Proteios1: And this is a NEW thing?

Indeed.

Fano: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 288x216]

Possible picture of officer?

THIS

jsteiner78: I am pooping right now as I read this

You too?

/don't try to rush the creative process.

SoCalSurfer: Better there than our national forests

The fact that the cartels were diverting streams and setting up booby traps to grow in our protected forests pissed me off. Then they were chasing off hikers with Ak-47s

Yeah that's getting to be a big problem is poorly built or maintained grow ops are ending up ruining the environment with excessive fertilizers in streams, river and creek water diversions, and diesel spills. Most people that don't live in NoCal blame Mexican cartels, but it isn't just them. Ukraine has had a few of theirs involved. Case in point, this young kid I know that hangs out with my GFs son had his dad and grandfater busted last year. 5,500 plants half million in cash buried in a drum in the yard of one of the grow barns, 4 Ukrainians were maintaining the scattered ops and funneling money to Thailand because apparently either his dad or grandfather had a thing for Asian chicks and was trying to bring one over for something something. And then things got wierd.....but so far they've only got probations forever and had to turn in the cash and forfeit property. The Humboldt DA lets a lot of weed convictions slide with a slap on the writst. Which, isn't a bad thing but they're worried about outside people controlling the traffic. There's been a big uptick in home invasions, break-ins and thefts of crops last few years.

Some alcohol goes to underage people, so let's outlaw all of it.
Some guns get into the hands of gang members, so let's do away with all gun manufacture.
Some autos are used to facilitate fleeing the scene of a crime, so let's outlaw automobiles.
Some knives are used as weapons by gang members, so we must do away with all knives.
Some tobacco is smoked by underage people, so let's outlaw the tobacco industry.
Some prescription drugs are used by addicts to get f'd up, so let's outlaw the pharmaceutical industry.
Some ____ are used to ______, so let's outlaw _________.

Oh no! Somebody is using this in a way we didn't intend, so that means that there's no good side to it and we need to outlaw it!!!

/Such a stupid argument.

Id be willing to bet more of the certified weed grown in Cali goes to medicinal purposes, than the pills in Florida that go to proper medicinal purposes...

Weaver95: svenge: Weaver95: And a certain percentage of beer and liquor sales go to underage drinkers. does that mean we have to shut down the ENTIRE liquor industry?

It's negligible compared to the 100% of pot that's illegal according to Federal law. Not saying that it should be, but it does put a bit of a hole in your "legality of use" argument.

did you know that the DEA wants to make marinol (synthetic cannabis) Schedule III? think about that for a moment...

And did you know the US government already owns the patent on it?

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

ThomasHayden: Id be willing to bet more of the certified weed grown in Cali goes to medicinal purposes, than the pills in Florida that go to proper medicinal purposes...

Possibly, but let's be honest. Most Cali cards are not really because the person needs the "medicine".

Isn't it frustrating to be powerless to run others lives, all you tight-assed little punks?
Please pontificate some more about how you know what's best for others. They will laugh at you, and soon - shiat on your grave.

Acting on a tip from Ric Romero,police...

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Some alcohol goes to underage people, so let's outlaw all of it.
Some guns get into the hands of gang members, so let's do away with all gun manufacture.
Some autos are used to facilitate fleeing the scene of a crime, so let's outlaw automobiles.
Some knives are used as weapons by gang members, so we must do away with all knives.
Some tobacco is smoked by underage people, so let's outlaw the tobacco industry.
Some prescription drugs are used by addicts to get f'd up, so let's outlaw the pharmaceutical industry.
Some ____ are used to ______, so let's outlaw _________.

Oh no! Somebody is using this in a way we didn't intend, so that means that there's no good side to it and we need to outlaw it!!!

/Such a stupid argument.

How about we just drop the pretense of "medical" marijuana and legalize it because people want to get high?

Is that so wrong?

Marijuana may have some medical uses, but it's not a farking pain killer. It doesn't cure cancer either.

Happy Hours: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Some alcohol goes to underage people, so let's outlaw all of it.
Some guns get into the hands of gang members, so let's do away with all gun manufacture.
Some autos are used to facilitate fleeing the scene of a crime, so let's outlaw automobiles.
Some knives are used as weapons by gang members, so we must do away with all knives.
Some tobacco is smoked by underage people, so let's outlaw the tobacco industry.
Some prescription drugs are used by addicts to get f'd up, so let's outlaw the pharmaceutical industry.
Some ____ are used to ______, so let's outlaw _________.

Oh no! Somebody is using this in a way we didn't intend, so that means that there's no good side to it and we need to outlaw it!!!

/Such a stupid argument.

How about we just drop the pretense of "medical" marijuana and legalize it because people want to get high?

Is that so wrong?

Marijuana may have some medical uses, but it's not a farking pain killer. It doesn't cure cancer either.

I'm right with you on the legalization thing. I just wanted to point out how ridiculous the argument of "well some people will use it in a way that's not great" is, and how it can easily be applied to other products and services that are vital to our society.

"Right now, you can hear an ice cream truck. You can hear kids playing. You have, probably, kids next door, kids in this house, school kids walking down the street," he said. "Right around a marijuana grow."


So, the kids are out playing, not getting high or having drugs pushed on them while playing next to a marijuana grow.


Sounds to me like you just proved the bullshiat you spew to be bullshiat that you spew. Anyone know of an 8yr old that can afford the $60 eighths they charge for in california? Me either.

Fact is, teen drug use, even cannabis use has gone down since proposition 215 was signed into law. If you still believe the cops at this point about cannabis and its "dangers", you are part of the problem.

"So you would have to smoke a joint every six minutes of every hour of every day for a year to use the 99 plants."

..... and?

namatad: Hale-Bopp: Weaver95: svenge: Weaver95: And a certain percentage of beer and liquor sales go to underage drinkers. does that mean we have to shut down the ENTIRE liquor industry?

It's negligible compared to the 100% of pot that's illegal according to Federal law. Not saying that it should be, but it does put a bit of a hole in your "legality of use" argument.

did you know that the DEA wants to make marinol (synthetic cannabis) Schedule III? think about that for a moment...

And did you know the US government already owns the patent on it?

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

sigh
but every one KNOWS that pot is not medically useful!!!!
LOL

Yeah, I'm not sure the government could possibly troll us any harder than that, though their "drug czar" certainly tries his best.

Hale-Bopp: namatad: Hale-Bopp: Weaver95: svenge: Weaver95: And a certain percentage of beer and liquor sales go to underage drinkers. does that mean we have to shut down the ENTIRE liquor industry?

It's negligible compared to the 100% of pot that's illegal according to Federal law. Not saying that it should be, but it does put a bit of a hole in your "legality of use" argument.

did you know that the DEA wants to make marinol (synthetic cannabis) Schedule III? think about that for a moment...

And did you know the US government already owns the patent on it?

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

sigh
but every one KNOWS that pot is not medically useful!!!!
LOL

Yeah, I'm not sure the government could possibly troll us any harder than that, though their "drug czar" certainly tries his best.

Kerlikowske is a big sack of shiat. I keep wishing he gets some painful cancer and his only relief would be to smoke cannabis. The sweet sweet irony.

Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs.

Now that we got that out of the way:

If you're an adult, nobody gets hurt and you pay for it, do whatever you f***ing want to, honestly.

A person's need for medicine isn't for the police to determine, so they can unkindly go fark themselves.

Not that such a concept matters in california, where defending it's residents' will comes second to appeasing Democrats like Obama who are even more anti-marijuana than bush-era Republicans.

AbbeySomeone: And no one is being harmed.

Well no one if don't count the 5 guys killed last year in Tulare County when the gardens they were watching got invaded. Or the 1 guy killed so far this year the same way. Or the 16 year old who has been missing for a month after shoots were heard from a harmless garden. And I only know of those near me, there's several other counties with the same thing going on. But I guess it's harmless for the folks in San Fran or LA and really that's all that matters.

Novart: A person's need for medicine isn't for the police to determine, so they can unkindly go fark themselves.

John Bardgett wishes that were true.

Pocket-fulla-shells: AbbeySomeone: And no one is being harmed.

Well no one if don't count the 5 guys killed last year in Tulare County when the gardens they were watching got invaded. Or the 1 guy killed so far this year the same way. Or the 16 year old who has been missing for a month after shoots were heard from a harmless garden. And I only know of those near me, there's several other counties with the same thing going on. But I guess it's harmless for the folks in San Fran or LA and really that's all that matters.

I call bulsh*t on your alarmist premise. TFA was talking about backyard or home gardens, but polish your badge and insure job security as well as a stash of your own.

AbbeySomeone: Pocket-fulla-shells: AbbeySomeone: And no one is being harmed.

Well no one if don't count the 5 guys killed last year in Tulare County when the gardens they were watching got invaded. Or the 1 guy killed so far this year the same way. Or the 16 year old who has been missing for a month after shoots were heard from a harmless garden. And I only know of those near me, there's several other counties with the same thing going on. But I guess it's harmless for the folks in San Fran or LA and really that's all that matters.

I call bulsh*t on your alarmist premise. TFA was talking about backyard or home gardens, but polish your badge and insure job security as well as a stash of your own.

Funny how in your idiotic response you assumed I have something to do with law enforcement, which I assure you is not the case. Also your reading comprehension must be near kindergarten level because my premise was that in fact people are being harmed as a direct result of the marijuana laws and in fact they are dying. That's why I replied to a specific comment on this thread and not the article. So before you call bullshiat on anything examine your own reasoning and misconceptions or else you'll make the same mistakes the government makes in dealing with the issue. For the record though TFA article was talking about gardens of up 99 plants which are the same ones I was talking about.

Just an FYI since I'm a native Lost Coast guy, this is what we call a typical Friday morning. Thing is, the only people that give a shiat are the DEA and the private property being used for hidden grow ops. Outside of that, nobody cares about weed until their land, water and power lines start getting messed with. God help those Cartels should they cut down an old growth Redwood to grow weed in the national parks. I think the hippies and enviros might take up guns and ammo.

mephisto6: Pocket-fulla-shells: AbbeySomeone: Pocket-fulla-shells: AbbeySomeone: And no one is being harmed.

Well no one if don't count the 5 guys killed last year in Tulare County when the gardens they were watching got invaded. Or the 1 guy killed so far this year the same way. Or the 16 year old who has been missing for a month after shoots were heard from a harmless garden. And I only know of those near me, there's several other counties with the same thing going on. But I guess it's harmless for the folks in San Fran or LA and really that's all that matters.

I call bulsh*t on your alarmist premise. TFA was talking about backyard or home gardens, but polish your badge and insure job security as well as a stash of your own.

Funny how in your idiotic response you assumed I have something to do with law enforcement, which I assure you is not the case. Also your reading comprehension must be near kindergarten level because my premise was that in fact people are being harmed as a direct result of the marijuana laws and in fact they are dying. That's why I replied to a specific comment on this thread and not the article. So before you call bullshiat on anything examine your own reasoning and misconceptions or else you'll make the same mistakes the government makes in dealing with the issue. For the record though TFA article was talking about gardens of up 99 plants which are the same ones I was talking about.

Are you high? Because you seem high. I'm gonna give you a +1 funny vote

Well, I'm not high but I'll take the +1 because I'm always glad to be funny. But I'll give you back a +1 for being funny because your post made me smile.

I'm just stirring up trouble with facts for my own entertainment.

mephisto6: I guess, if "facts" = spewing spooge, you'd have a point there.

What spooge? The fact is that all those deaths I mentioned are true and reported in local papers so its also a fact that the statement that no one was harmed is wrong. The spooge is in your own willing disbelieve in the face of facts. Not all facts are going to fit your misconception of what's true and the typical way people deal with those who challenge their misconceptions is by ridiculing either the person who told them the facts or the facts themselves. You my friend have done both. Now sit down, read my argument, think about the argument and make a response to the argument. Notice I didn't ask for an intelligent response, we'll try baby steps first (. Yeah I just returned you insult, actually I did it twice)

Okay, cue Citation Needed comment as another attempt to ridicule me rather than go look up your own facts that dispute mine.

Pocket-fulla-shells: mephisto6: I guess, if "facts" = spewing spooge, you'd have a point there.

What spooge? The fact is that all those deaths I mentioned are true and reported in local papers so its also a fact that the statement that no one was harmed is wrong. The spooge is in your own willing disbelieve in the face of facts. Not all facts are going to fit your misconception of what's true and the typical way people deal with those who challenge their misconceptions is by ridiculing either the person who told them the facts or the facts themselves. You my friend have done both. Now sit down, read my argument, think about the argument and make a response to the argument. Notice I didn't ask for an intelligent response, we'll try baby steps first (. Yeah I just returned you insult, actually I did it twice)

Okay, cue Citation Needed comment as another attempt to ridicule me rather than go look up your own facts that dispute mine.

Well, no one is harmed by pot. The only harm that actually comes is from the man made anti-pot laws. So if you're saying pot harms people, you're just wrong. If you're saying anti-pot laws are harming people, then you're preaching to the choir.

Nem Wan: Weaver95: svenge: Weaver95: And a certain percentage of beer and liquor sales go to underage drinkers. does that mean we have to shut down the ENTIRE liquor industry?

It's negligible compared to the 100% of pot that's illegal according to Federal law. Not saying that it should be, but it does put a bit of a hole in your "legality of use" argument.

did you know that the DEA wants to make marinol (synthetic cannabis) Schedule III? think about that for a moment...

My government reorganization would eliminate the DEA, transferring all drug policy to FDA and Schedule I enforcement to ATF. I'd also merge FDA and Agriculture. Then you've got one department in charge of deciding what we put in our bodies and one department chasing contraband.

My government reorganization would eleminate th ATF and DEA. We wouldn't have an agency to "decide what the country consumes" and we wouldn't have one "chasing contraband. In my country there is no contraband.

Fukuzawa: Pocket-fulla-shells: mephisto6: I guess, if "facts" = spewing spooge, you'd have a point there.

What spooge? The fact is that all those deaths I mentioned are true and reported in local papers so its also a fact that the statement that no one was harmed is wrong. The spooge is in your own willing disbelieve in the face of facts. Not all facts are going to fit your misconception of what's true and the typical way people deal with those who challenge their misconceptions is by ridiculing either the person who told them the facts or the facts themselves. You my friend have done both. Now sit down, read my argument, think about the argument and make a response to the argument. Notice I didn't ask for an intelligent response, we'll try baby steps first (. Yeah I just returned you insult, actually I did it twice)

Okay, cue Citation Needed comment as another attempt to ridicule me rather than go look up your own facts that dispute mine.

Well, no one is harmed by pot. The only harm that actually comes is from the man made anti-pot laws. So if you're saying pot harms people, you're just wrong. If you're saying anti-pot laws are harming people, then you're preaching to the choir.

Awesome! You have restored my faith in Farkers. I am arguing in part that it's the laws against pot that are the problem. Perhaps more that criminal greed is screwing up a well intentioned law, but then you can just change the law to something that may be better, like legalization. Which seems like it'll work. Of course politicians are greedy too and calling for legalization is a death knell for their aspirations. But what I really want is for people to realize that there are in fact people dying out here and to see the lie that it's all peaceful hippies growing their own gardens for what it is and stop all the nonsense that all is well if the cops would just Fark off and leave people alone.

I will let the 'No one is harmed by pot' line by on a technicality. No one is harmed by smoking pot any more so than a number of other legal things.

speedycat: Nem Wan: Weaver95: svenge: Weaver95: And a certain percentage of beer and liquor sales go to underage drinkers. does that mean we have to shut down the ENTIRE liquor industry?

It's negligible compared to the 100% of pot that's illegal according to Federal law. Not saying that it should be, but it does put a bit of a hole in your "legality of use" argument.

did you know that the DEA wants to make marinol (synthetic cannabis) Schedule III? think about that for a moment...

My government reorganization would eliminate the DEA, transferring all drug policy to FDA and Schedule I enforcement to ATF. I'd also merge FDA and Agriculture. Then you've got one department in charge of deciding what we put in our bodies and one department chasing contraband.

My government reorganization would eleminate th ATF and DEA. We wouldn't have an agency to "decide what the country consumes" and we wouldn't have one "chasing contraband. In my country there is no contraband.

The problem with that is asshole fly by night corporations who decide to put out a product that is farking *poison* and pass it off as a consumable. People try it and then die because it was farking *poison*. While people will figure out pretty quick that "Product X" will kill you, it will take several deaths before that happens.

Having a gov't agency test the product before hand and go "Yeah, it's not full of farking *poison*" is rather useful.

/there are a lot of things wrong with our current set up.
//but the idea of the gov't checking to make sure the populace is not being fed poisonous materials is a sound idea and necessary.
///feel free to look up "melamine" from China if you don't think this would ever happen.

mephisto6: KimNorth: Really? Because My friends and I am way more concerned about being shot at by illegal aliens when we unknowingly come up on or to close to one of their grows while hiking in our national forest.

Maybe you could work on that and the fact they start many of our fires while out there.

You're full of shiat.

You sound illegal, momma no speaka English?

Law enforcement concerned that some marijuana being grown in California is not being used for medicinal purposes

Wow! That never happened before medical marijuana was legalized.

spentmiles: Great sex isn't normal, but on weed it is.

You're doing it wrong.

Happy Hours: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Some alcohol goes to underage people, so let's outlaw all of it.
Some guns get into the hands of gang members, so let's do away with all gun manufacture.
Some autos are used to facilitate fleeing the scene of a crime, so let's outlaw automobiles.
Some knives are used as weapons by gang members, so we must do away with all knives.
Some tobacco is smoked by underage people, so let's outlaw the tobacco industry.
Some prescription drugs are used by addicts to get f'd up, so let's outlaw the pharmaceutical industry.
Some ____ are used to ______, so let's outlaw _________.

Oh no! Somebody is using this in a way we didn't intend, so that means that there's no good side to it and we need to outlaw it!!!

/Such a stupid argument.

How about we just drop the pretense of "medical" marijuana and legalize it because people want to get high?

Is that so wrong?

Marijuana may have some medical uses, but it's not a farking pain killer. It doesn't cure cancer either.

It is a farking pain killer and a damn good one if you use the right strains. Many people reliant on pain medication that make them feel like there's a huge weight on their foreheads switched over to medical marijuana with far better results in both pain management and the ability to remain active while on medication.

No one said it cured cancer, but people suffering from cancer, AIDS, and other ailments often have problems with appetite which marijuana clears right up. Marijuana use has also been reported to improve some of the physical and emotional issues associated with having such a condition.

It isn't legal because it comes out of the ground and works, making it a threat to the pharmaceutical industry and their quest to keep everyone healthy on manufactured pills.