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(Huffington Post)   "Captain, we're going to take a look in your pilot's case." "OK, let's see. Nav charts, gun, log book." "How long have you been flying with the gun?" "Oh, at least two days"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 52
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2012-05-19 12:57:19 PM
this is so easy to fix!!
all airport workers and anyone who gets within 200 yards of a plane, must first submit to an anal probe.
TADA the problem is solved
 
2012-05-19 01:03:34 PM
I don't have a problem with arming airline pilots, but I do have a problem with pilots arming themselves outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them.

CSB Time. I dated a woman who's father was a pilot for Alaska Airlines. He was also a right wing union hating FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:SOCIALIZMSSS!!!! gun nutter, but otherwise a really nice guy. Anyway, he did this exact same thing, way before 9/11 happened, only he just forgot it was in his flight bag. They were going to fire his ass, but the union stepped in and saved his bacon. A rich bit of justice.

He got his name in the paper, too.

/CSB
 
2012-05-19 01:05:20 PM
What exactly are the authorities worried about. If an airline captain wants to hijack and crash a plan he doesn't need a gun to do it.
 
2012-05-19 01:06:38 PM
B.F.D.

The pilot has the means to kill everyone anytime that aircraft is in motion. A revolver and 6 bullets won't kill you any deader, but it might protect the cockpit.

/Former Avionics Tech
 
2012-05-19 01:06:39 PM
Meanwhile, the TSA is busy groping toddlers in search of dangerous foilks.

*headdesk*
 
2012-05-19 01:10:14 PM

OBBN: What exactly are the authorities worried about. If an airline captain wants to hijack and crash a plan he doesn't need a gun to do it.


Injuring or killing innocent bystanders? Downing the aircraft? I doubt this pilot had the training necessary to use his firearm safely and effectively in an environment as confined as a Dash 8, and I doubt he was carrying frangible rounds.

But what are the odds of a commuter turboprop being hijacked?
 
2012-05-19 01:11:03 PM

Rent Party: I don't have a problem with arming airline pilots, but I do have a problem with pilots arming themselves outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them.

CSB Time. I dated a woman who's father was a pilot for Alaska Airlines. He was also a right wing union hating FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:SOCIALIZMSSS!!!! gun nutter, but otherwise a really nice guy. Anyway, he did this exact same thing, way before 9/11 happened, only he just forgot it was in his flight bag. They were going to fire his ass, but the union stepped in and saved his bacon. A rich bit of justice.

He got his name in the paper, too.

/CSB


You are a retard. WTF is an armed pilot going to do "outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them" that he couldn't do by simply rolling the plane and nosing it into the ground at 300MPH? EVERYONE dies in the latter scenario. You either trust the pilot or you don't. A gun makes NO difference when you pilot a flying bomb.
 
2012-05-19 01:11:43 PM
Big Farking deal!
 
2012-05-19 01:14:31 PM
Flying is all about following procedures. This guy did not follow procedures.
 
2012-05-19 01:14:46 PM
if this guy had to go through the usual anal probing you and i do he wouldn't have made it out of the first airport. he got a pass at first and now ta da, he's caught.

and it's what's wrong with america. rules get put in place and then folks think they don't apply to them. if each and everyone of us had to actually abide by the same rules there would be less rules and what we had would make a lot more sense.
 
2012-05-19 01:15:51 PM
That was close! If he was allowed to bring that gun on board, the pilot might have gained control of the aircraft. Who knows what he might have done then?!
 
2012-05-19 01:19:59 PM
Great, this started at Charlottesville, so that means anytime I fly out of there now I'm going to get the special double anal probe.
 
2012-05-19 01:20:42 PM
I don't think the issue is that they were worried the pilot might use it maliciously. It's probably more a fear that he'd do more harm than good trying to use it effectively, since he hasn't been trained in that.
 
2012-05-19 01:22:03 PM

Pockafrusta: WTF is an armed pilot going to do "outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them" that he couldn't do by simply rolling the plane and nosing it into the ground at 300MPH?


Lose it, or have it stolen?

Maybe in the airport after it's through security?
 
2012-05-19 01:23:04 PM

Pockafrusta: You are a retard. WTF is an armed pilot going to do "outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them" that he couldn't do by simply rolling the plane and nosing it into the ground at 300MPH? EVERYONE dies in the latter scenario. You either trust the pilot or you don't. A gun makes NO difference when you pilot a flying bomb.


Pilots should be allowed to carry firearms into the cockpit. We are just trying to establish procedures and processes that will allow pilots to carry loaded weapons through the airport and into their planes. We understand that a pilot has the capability to kill everyone on the plane any time he wants, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't properly train pilots how to properly carry and stow their firearms.

/Retard?
 
2012-05-19 01:23:29 PM
The only bad thing that could have happened is he accidentally discharged it.

Because if he's purposefully discharged it then the whole plane has bigger problems.
 
2012-05-19 01:24:27 PM

Pockafrusta: Rent Party: I don't have a problem with arming airline pilots, but I do have a problem with pilots arming themselves outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them.

CSB Time. I dated a woman who's father was a pilot for Alaska Airlines. He was also a right wing union hating FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:SOCIALIZMSSS!!!! gun nutter, but otherwise a really nice guy. Anyway, he did this exact same thing, way before 9/11 happened, only he just forgot it was in his flight bag. They were going to fire his ass, but the union stepped in and saved his bacon. A rich bit of justice.

He got his name in the paper, too.

/CSB

You are a retard. WTF is an armed pilot going to do "outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them" that he couldn't do by simply rolling the plane and nosing it into the ground at 300MPH? EVERYONE dies in the latter scenario. You either trust the pilot or you don't. A gun makes NO difference when you pilot a flying bomb.


You are a retard. A person trained in the use of a firearm on board an aircraft with access to that firearm could have prevented planes being used as a flying bomb. Or would you bring your boxcutter to a gunfight?

Alternately, some clown with a gun at 35000 feet is likely to get a whole lot of people killed.

So, in summary, you are a dumbass.
 
2012-05-19 01:26:00 PM
FTA: Dieter had been flying with the gun since Wednesday, when he flew from Charlottesville, Va., to New York City without having his bag X-rayed. He'd made seven flights since.

It's a miracle no one was killed.
 
2012-05-19 01:29:37 PM

meddleRPI: Great, this started at Charlottesville, so that means anytime I fly out of there now I'm going to get the special double anal probe.


Might as well prepare for it

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-05-19 01:42:12 PM

OBBN: What exactly are the authorities worried about. If an airline captain wants to hijack and crash a plan he doesn't need a gun to do it.



I'm thinking if a pilot could easily get a gun past security, he could easily give it to someone on a different flight and have that plane get hijacked. Definitely unlikely, but I'm thinking someone who doesn't want to die for his cause could let someone else.
 
2012-05-19 01:52:19 PM

turtle553: OBBN: What exactly are the authorities worried about. If an airline captain wants to hijack and crash a plan he doesn't need a gun to do it.


I'm thinking if a pilotanyone could easily get a gun past security,

As proven many times.

TSA MUST DIE!
 
2012-05-19 01:54:27 PM

Rent Party: Pockafrusta: Rent Party: I don't have a problem with arming airline pilots, but I do have a problem with pilots arming themselves outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them.

CSB Time. I dated a woman who's father was a pilot for Alaska Airlines. He was also a right wing union hating FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:SOCIALIZMSSS!!!! gun nutter, but otherwise a really nice guy. Anyway, he did this exact same thing, way before 9/11 happened, only he just forgot it was in his flight bag. They were going to fire his ass, but the union stepped in and saved his bacon. A rich bit of justice.

He got his name in the paper, too.

/CSB

You are a retard. WTF is an armed pilot going to do "outside of some sort of training program designed specifically for them" that he couldn't do by simply rolling the plane and nosing it into the ground at 300MPH? EVERYONE dies in the latter scenario. You either trust the pilot or you don't. A gun makes NO difference when you pilot a flying bomb.

You are a retard. A person trained in the use of a firearm on board an aircraft with access to that firearm could have prevented planes being used as a flying bomb. Or would you bring your boxcutter to a gunfight?

Alternately, some clown with a gun at 35000 feet is likely to get a whole lot of people killed.

So, in summary, you are a dumbass.


Pl;anes only pop like baloons in the movies and vid games.
And nobody gets sucked out.
/uproarious laughter
 
2012-05-19 02:03:09 PM
Whats the percentage of civilian airline pilots that are former military pilots? Those guys pack heat and tend to be trained in its usage so you'd think this would be a fairly easy problem to solve
 
B A [TotalFark]
2012-05-19 02:09:07 PM

Curious: if this guy had to go through the usual anal probing you and i do he wouldn't have made it out of the first airport. he got a pass at first and now ta da, he's caught.

and it's what's wrong with america. rules get put in place and then folks think they don't apply to them. if each and everyone of us had to actually abide by the same rules there would be less rules and what we had would make a lot more sense.


No, what's wrong with America is; There are WAY to many rules & many of them, this one included, make NO sense/are unrealistic. In addition to which; ANY rule which restricts our constitutional rights is illegally imposed as it is uncinstitutional. BTW - capitalise America - It's a name which deserves respect.
 
2012-05-19 02:10:45 PM

Pockafrusta: B.F.D.

The pilot has the means to kill everyone anytime that aircraft is in motion. A revolver and 6 bullets won't kill you any deader, but it might protect the cockpit.

/Former Avionics Tech


Years ago I saw a pilot say he would much prefer to settle a hijacking with 9mm than AIM-9.

turtle553: OBBN: What exactly are the authorities worried about. If an airline captain wants to hijack and crash a plan he doesn't need a gun to do it.


I'm thinking if a pilot could easily get a gun past security, he could easily give it to someone on a different flight and have that plane get hijacked. Definitely unlikely, but I'm thinking someone who doesn't want to die for his cause could let someone else.


Yeah, this is the only argument against allowing trained pilots to carry weapons. It wouldn't have to be for his cause, either--"You *WILL* smuggle this gun through or you'll never see your child again."
 
2012-05-19 02:12:31 PM
Hidden auto-start videos suck.
 
2012-05-19 02:13:50 PM

Thunderboy: Injuring or killing innocent bystanders? Downing the aircraft? I doubt this pilot had the training necessary to use his firearm safely and effectively in an environment as confined as a Dash 8, and I doubt he was carrying frangible rounds.


How do you know? The article doesn't spend one word on the guys background or his training. Just that he didn't do the federal training program.

/we have real things to worry about
 
2012-05-19 02:18:09 PM
snocone:
Pl;anes only pop like baloons in the movies and vid games.
And nobody gets sucked out.
/uproarious laughter

The fark? When did anyone even mention that?
 
2012-05-19 02:23:44 PM

Rent Party: Or would you bring your boxcutter to a gunfight?


Statistically, money is on the guy with the knife if he's inside 20 feet. There's not a lot of room to maneuver inside an aircraft cockpit, and stray shots fired toward the cabin could harm a passenger.

That said I don't have a problem with pilots having handguns. In fact I think there should be a mandatory training program and they should be issued weapons with appropriate (ie frangible) ammunition just for such emergencies.
 
2012-05-19 02:25:52 PM

gtfan92: snocone:
Pl;anes only pop like baloons in the movies and vid games.
And nobody gets sucked out.
/uproarious laughter

The fark? When did anyone even mention that?


Well, it was right there, but you erased it.
On reread, I could have jumped a little shark about the "we all gonna die at 35K ft thing".

You know who takes guns on aircraft all the time?
/excludes self
 
2012-05-19 02:31:57 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why the pilot is up on criminal charges?

Seriously. Someone explain to me why the Huff Po is having the vapors over this.
 
2012-05-19 02:38:34 PM

B A: BTW - capitalise America - It's a name which deserves respect.


I would have said that many years ago. Now... I'm not actually sure it's true :(

DanInKansas: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why the pilot is up on criminal charges?


I have the same questions. As mentioned above, he can kill everyone on board if he wants to.
 
2012-05-19 02:40:24 PM
 
2012-05-19 02:43:43 PM

DanInKansas: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why the pilot is up on criminal charges?

Seriously. Someone explain to me why the Huff Po is having the vapors over this.


Because it give lie to the party line.
 
2012-05-19 02:53:23 PM

DanInKansas: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why the pilot is up on criminal charges?

Seriously. Someone explain to me why the Huff Po is having the vapors over this.


Stupidity can be criminal, too, even if the ka-stoopit is done for a what seems like a good reason. With the locked and reinforced cockpit doors, what is a pilot even going to do nowadays? Even if he distrusts the copilot, someone next to you could easily overpower you before you can pull the weapon. What, was his plan to open the locked door and charge into the cabin and be a hero in the middle of a terrorist takeover?

Lobby for change, but don't be a useless martyr for a cause.

LazarusLong42: I have the same questions. As mentioned above, he can kill everyone on board if he wants to.


Disgruntled employees aren't that kind of movie villain! They always want to take specific people out with them, and if that's not possible, to take people out in a personal way that lets them see the suffering they've caused firsthand. Nosediving a plane would defeat the purpose because he'd be too dead to see anyone else die.
 
2012-05-19 02:54:59 PM

DanInKansas: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why the pilot is up on criminal charges?

Seriously. Someone explain to me why the Huff Po is having the vapors over this.


So the Feds will let a pilot take a gun on board, but they want him to go through their educational program, and be registered.

In my state, the DMV will let many teenagers and adults drive a car, but they want them to go through their educational program, and be registered.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why California makes driving without a license a criminal charge?
 
2012-05-19 02:56:04 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Rent Party: Or would you bring your boxcutter to a gunfight?

Statistically, money is on the guy with the knife if he's inside 20 feet. There's not a lot of room to maneuver inside an aircraft cockpit, and stray shots fired toward the cabin could harm a passenger.

That said I don't have a problem with pilots having handguns. In fact I think there should be a mandatory training program and they should be issued weapons with appropriate (ie frangible) ammunition just for such emergencies.


Oh noes, a passenger got shot during an armed struggle with the friggen pilot.

How to win as a pilot if you want total control of the plane.

Wait till the copilot goes to use tge restroom. Lock the cockpit door. Announce on the loudspeaker that the copilot has gone nuts and is trying to break in and crash the plane.
 
2012-05-19 02:57:26 PM

foxyshadis: Disgruntled employees aren't that kind of movie villain! They always want to take specific people out with them, and if that's not possible, to take people out in a personal way that lets them see the suffering they've caused firsthand. Nosediving a plane would defeat the purpose because he'd be too dead to see anyone else die.


Auburn Calloway worked as a pilot for FedEx, but he had fudged his resume a bit and had greatly embellished his flying experience while serving in the U.S. Navy. When he was scheduled for a disciplinary hearing he panicked, assuming that he'd be fired. He launched a pre-emptive strike at the company that he thought was unfairly singling him out and decided to, in one fell swoop, both provide for his family and punish FedEx. His plan was to hijack a FedEx flight by attacking the crew with a hammer, then take control of the plane and crash into the Memphis headquarters of the company. By using a hammer as a weapon, autopsies on the remains would only show blunt-force trauma, which would be typical in an airplane collision. Thus, no suspicion would fall back on Calloway and his beneficiaries would receive the full amount of the many hundreds of thousands of dollars of life insurance he'd recently purchased.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/16812#ixzz1vLMF1BwC
 
2012-05-19 03:02:25 PM

Thunderboy: frangible rounds


Frangible? Isn't that a Sarah Palin-ism?
 
2012-05-19 03:03:20 PM

foxyshadis: DanInKansas: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the problem and doesn't get why the pilot is up on criminal charges?

Seriously. Someone explain to me why the Huff Po is having the vapors over this.

Stupidity can be criminal, too, even if the ka-stoopit is done for a what seems like a good reason. With the locked and reinforced cockpit doors, what is a pilot even going to do nowadays? Even if he distrusts the copilot, someone next to you could easily overpower you before you can pull the weapon. What, was his plan to open the locked door and charge into the cabin and be a hero in the middle of a terrorist takeover?

Lobby for change, but don't be a useless martyr for a cause.

LazarusLong42: I have the same questions. As mentioned above, he can kill everyone on board if he wants to.

Disgruntled employees aren't that kind of movie villain! They always want to take specific people out with them, and if that's not possible, to take people out in a personal way that lets them see the suffering they've caused firsthand. Nosediving a plane would defeat the purpose because he'd be too dead to see anyone else die.


Disgruntled employees can kill their coworkers in many places before the TSA is even remotely involved
 
2012-05-19 03:06:59 PM

RoyBatty: foxyshadis: Disgruntled employees aren't that kind of movie villain! They always want to take specific people out with them, and if that's not possible, to take people out in a personal way that lets them see the suffering they've caused firsthand. Nosediving a plane would defeat the purpose because he'd be too dead to see anyone else die.

Auburn Calloway worked as a pilot for FedEx, but he had fudged his resume a bit and had greatly embellished his flying experience while serving in the U.S. Navy. When he was scheduled for a disciplinary hearing he panicked, assuming that he'd be fired. He launched a pre-emptive strike at the company that he thought was unfairly singling him out and decided to, in one fell swoop, both provide for his family and punish FedEx. His plan was to hijack a FedEx flight by attacking the crew with a hammer, then take control of the plane and crash into the Memphis headquarters of the company. By using a hammer as a weapon, autopsies on the remains would only show blunt-force trauma, which would be typical in an airplane collision. Thus, no suspicion would fall back on Calloway and his beneficiaries would receive the full amount of the many hundreds of thousands of dollars of life insurance he'd recently purchased.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/16812#ixzz1vLMF1BwC


You're right, I DID neglect to consider "what if he wants to crash INTO someone." Also see the loon who crashed into the IRS building.
 
2012-05-19 03:16:06 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Rent Party: Or would you bring your boxcutter to a gunfight?

Statistically, money is on the guy with the knife if he's inside 20 feet.


This is untrue, and an urban myth perpetrated by the Tueller Drill, which is undertaken by almost every police recruit. All it states is that a reasonably healthy person can cover 21 feet of distance in 1.5 seconds, about the same time it takes to draw a weapon, and that is all. It does not put "the odds" on the side of the guy with the knife.

Ex-Seattle cop Ian Birk tried to use the "21 foot rule" when he murdered a drunk homeless guy, and the Firearms Review Board squashed it flat.


There's not a lot of room to maneuver inside an aircraft cockpit, and stray shots fired toward the cabin could harm a passenger.


Which is why a specially designed program for pilots might be effective, don't you think? Rather than your average NRA safety course, they would get the FAA approved version of "how to use a handgun in an aircraft without killing everyone" certification.
 
2012-05-19 03:20:40 PM

snocone:
Pl;anes only pop like baloons in the movies and vid games.
And nobody gets sucked out.
/uproarious laughter


Guns get taken away from untrained people (and hell, even trained people) and used against them all the time.

You don't have to explode the aircraft to kill everyone. You just have to shoot the people that know how to fly it.
 
2012-05-19 03:49:45 PM
thumbnails.hulu.com
 
2012-05-19 04:02:03 PM
I may be alone here, but I'm much more at risk statistically from a legally held weapon than an illegal one. This is the worst case - an illegally held weapon that the holder believes to be legal, so it hits both sides.

That plane would have been much safer if no-one held any weapons.

/ My local police force has only ever, in its entire history, discharged weapons outside of the range negligently. It has never fired a round in the direction of a human being when it was supposed to. As far as I know, no member of the public has ever fired a gun at an officer either (unlike at least one officer).
// Force area includes the national capital city and another city pop. over 300,000.
 
2012-05-19 05:32:40 PM
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Hmmm. Doesn't say anything about "except for pilots and on aeroplanes".
 
2012-05-19 06:11:15 PM
They should have a loaded .45 mounted on the bulk head behind the Pilot.
"In Case of Terrorism Break Glass"
 
2012-05-19 06:25:18 PM
Locate the district attorney's anus, insert bangalor torpedo, light fuse and run.

Problem solved.
 
2012-05-19 09:04:44 PM

gingerjet: Thunderboy: Injuring or killing innocent bystanders? Downing the aircraft? I doubt this pilot had the training necessary to use his firearm safely and effectively in an environment as confined as a Dash 8, and I doubt he was carrying frangible rounds.

How do you know? The article doesn't spend one word on the guys background or his training. Just that he didn't do the federal training program.


I don't know, which is why I didn't say "I know".

destrip: Thunderboy: frangible rounds

Frangible? Isn't that a Sarah Palin-ism?


Definitely not.
 
2012-05-19 10:39:59 PM
News flash: Pilot tries to take control of aircraft loaded with 80,000 pounds of jet fuel
 
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