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2012-05-19 06:47:52 PM

Weaver95: if the apartment were a bomb making factory.


You sure like assumptions, don't you?
 
2012-05-19 06:49:50 PM

9beers: Weaver95: if the apartment were a bomb making factory.

You sure like assumptions, don't you?


No one likes a bootlicker, man.
 
2012-05-19 06:50:41 PM

glenlivid: There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told. And years later, if a case goes to court and the "suspect" is completely absolved of all charges, don't expect an apology from said media for using the word TERRORIST hundreds of times in their initial (sensational) approach to the story.


they are being charged with terrrorism. It's an ugly word but there is nothing biased about naming the charges. What media reports are calling them "terrorists" before the case is even tried?
 
2012-05-19 06:52:01 PM
Prosecutors said the three defendants had already assembled four Molotov cocktails from empty beer bottles, with cut bandannas as timing devices. The Molotov cocktails were to be used in attacks against police stations, including Police Headquarters, which would divert attention from other attacks around the city, they said.

The defendants also had plans for a pipe bomb at the time of their arrests, prosecutors said. Throwing stars, swords with brass knuckle handles, a hunting bow, a shield with protruding nails, gas masks, an assault rifle and a map with details of escape routes from the city were also said to have been found in the apartment. They also had plans to to buy several other assault rifles, prosecutors said.

Link

That's one hell of a set up by the cops.
 
2012-05-19 06:55:34 PM
I'm honestly curious now. How the hell would you shoot a glass bottle full of gasoline out of a mortar. Hmm. would you modify the bottle to withstand the stress of being fired? I don't think you could pass that off as a beer bottle from your home brew kit. A different kind of mortar? Like a real strong spring or something? compressed air? Just a big ass sling shot?

I have visions of some hippie kneeling next to a mortar tube shooting off beer bottles and getting a face full of molten glass shrapnel surrounded by a fireball. Hell, why arrest em, let Darwin sort em out.
 
2012-05-19 06:57:19 PM

skullkrusher: glenlivid: There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told. And years later, if a case goes to court and the "suspect" is completely absolved of all charges, don't expect an apology from said media for using the word TERRORIST hundreds of times in their initial (sensational) approach to the story.

they are being charged with terrrorism. It's an ugly word but there is nothing biased about naming the charges. What media reports are calling them "terrorists" before the case is even tried?


They're being charged with terrrorism...with FOUR "R"s? That is an ugly word. ;)

I answered your question with this statement: "There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told." As for what happens from here on out, sit back and watch the media fire-works show.
 
2012-05-19 07:00:16 PM

glenlivid: I answered your question with this statement: "There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told." As for what happens from here on out, sit back and watch the media fire-works show.


back to my original question - what should they be doing? They interviewed the defense attorney, friends, people who know some of the accused in Florida. Then they report on what prosecutors told them. Seriously, what else is there to do?

Presumably by now the bond hearing is over and we'll know if they are held. If they are, that's a fairly good indication that there is some evidence to corroborate what the prosecution is claiming and that that evidence was obtained lawfully, no?
 
2012-05-19 07:02:56 PM
As long as it turns out better than the G20 did in Toronto. I'd consider it a success.

/Low standard is low
 
2012-05-19 07:03:32 PM

skullkrusher: glenlivid: I answered your question with this statement: "There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told." As for what happens from here on out, sit back and watch the media fire-works show.

back to my original question - what should they be doing? They interviewed the defense attorney, friends, people who know some of the accused in Florida. Then they report on what prosecutors told them. Seriously, what else is there to do?

Presumably by now the bond hearing is over and we'll know if they are held. If they are, that's a fairly good indication that there is some evidence to corroborate what the prosecution is claiming and that that evidence was obtained lawfully, no?


Well as I said, I already answered your question...I'm not saying there's anything else the media should be doing in this case. The rest is me pontificating on why I have a healthy distrust for the media, in general.
 
2012-05-19 07:07:41 PM
Here's a PDF detailing the charges.

Link
 
2012-05-19 07:08:40 PM

glenlivid: skullkrusher: glenlivid: I answered your question with this statement: "There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told." As for what happens from here on out, sit back and watch the media fire-works show.

back to my original question - what should they be doing? They interviewed the defense attorney, friends, people who know some of the accused in Florida. Then they report on what prosecutors told them. Seriously, what else is there to do?

Presumably by now the bond hearing is over and we'll know if they are held. If they are, that's a fairly good indication that there is some evidence to corroborate what the prosecution is claiming and that that evidence was obtained lawfully, no?

Well as I said, I already answered your question...I'm not saying there's anything else the media should be doing in this case. The rest is me pontificating on why I have a healthy distrust for the media, in general.


oh, ok. Gotcha then I guess
 
2012-05-19 07:14:12 PM

TheBigLie: I'm honestly curious now. How the hell would you shoot a glass bottle full of gasoline out of a mortar. Hmm. would you modify the bottle to withstand the stress of being fired? I don't think you could pass that off as a beer bottle from your home brew kit. A different kind of mortar? Like a real strong spring or something? compressed air? Just a big ass sling shot?

I have visions of some hippie kneeling next to a mortar tube shooting off beer bottles and getting a face full of molten glass shrapnel surrounded by a fireball. Hell, why arrest em, let Darwin sort em out.


Man, they had SWORDS and NINJA STARS*, you think people that crazy prepared couldn't come up with a method of reinforcing a glass bottle in such a way it would be perfectly tuned to hold together on firing but shatter on impact? Are you crazy?

Betting money says there was a fireworks mortar tube left over from some celebration in the house, most of the lists of "so many scary weapons" included no mention of any guns whatsoever, which sticks out in my mind since this is AMERICA where we have .9 guns per capita, so the cops were grabbing everything they could.

As for the physics challenge of a glass bottle that can survive a mortar launch, I have an idea but I don't know if it would work. Take the bottle and put it inside of a case or sheath (like the cut-off bottom half of a soda can, but probably need stronger material) so that the bottom-half is tough enough to survive the explosive propellant and provide uniformly-spread lift to the bottle but will then separate from the entirely-breakable glass bottle.

And now I want to see Mythbusters try to do that. Can we make it happen internet?


*Ninja stars, not shuriken, because only one contains Real Ultimate Power.
 
2012-05-19 07:16:53 PM

LordJiro: 9beers: By the way, the NDAA gives law enforcement the right to conduct warrantless raids. You can thank Obama the Republicans who attached the rider to a vital spending bill for that one.

FTFY, you revisionist dipshiat.


Needs repeating, since some Farkers are too ignorant to get it right the first time around.
 
2012-05-19 07:36:43 PM

Tennozan: LordJiro: 9beers: By the way, the NDAA gives law enforcement the right to conduct warrantless raids. You can thank Obama the Republicans who attached the rider to a vital spending bill for that one.

FTFY, you revisionist dipshiat.

Needs repeating, since some Farkers are too ignorant to get it right the first time around.


Obama should have a backbone.
 
2012-05-19 07:44:21 PM

9beers: PsiChick: Yeah, this...kind of scares me, to be honest. I mean, I get that we've got problems. But I figured the response to the Occupy stuff would be some minor-level change.

This really indicates they have something big they're hiding. Given that one political party would be fully capable of creating another Nazi Germany (I wish I were exaggerating, they just need one more successful attack by anyone), that is not reassuring.

What on earth are you talking about? Do you really expect there not to be a police presence when there are demonstrators, some of them violent, all over the city? Do you really expect the police to allow demonstrators to disobey laws when they protest? Those protestors that are acting within the law are being allowed to hold their demonstrations.

The rest of what you're saying about one political party and Nazi Germany is so crazy, I have no idea what point you're even trying to make.


Yes. Clearly, the appropriate police response to a completely legal protest is to station so many armed officers, including farking SWAT response teams, that the city can't afford it That's a totally reasonable response! And the constant arrests, searches, and police brutality to anyone within ten miles, even media, is completely normal!

And as for the GOP, I actually had to go out of my way to map out how they could make America a fascist state because I'm writing a novel where the villains do exactly that, and I didn't want it to be 'political'. As it turns out, the GOP needs exactly one major tragedy to do it. They've already got a solid history of people justifying everything they do, even outright human rights abuses such as Gitmo, by saying 'national security' or blowing off anyone with concerns by claiming they're crazy.

/Nice job doing so, by the way. I could almost believe you were sincere.
//Then I realized that someone who is on a news aggregation site and can't read news articles or remember them past five seconds either has a traumatic brain injury or is a right-wing authoritarian.
 
2012-05-19 07:50:04 PM

TheBigJerk: Man, they had SWORDS and NINJA STARS*


Don't forget the bow. These guys were reading the adventures of Robin Hood and watched Ninja Scroll last weekend. Combining both western and eastern styles of social discontent in one seamless whole. Thank god they were stopped. Seriously, who knows how much damage they could have done.

I saw someone said they had assault rifles. When the news says that, I automatically change it to "had one of those cheap .22's in the shape of an M16" Calling one of those an assault rifle is like putting a fiberglass body in the shape of a Ferrari on your Geo Metro and calling it a sports car. They could have done more damage with a 30-06. I guess they had their dads old hunting rifle with some 20 yr old shells doesn't sound as scary.
 
2012-05-19 07:58:35 PM
I mean it's an easy mistake to make, since they share the main ingredient of gasoline. I'm certain the cops found tons of gasoline in the apartment, and the Jew-run liberal media left that out to get more clicks.
 
2012-05-19 08:01:49 PM

PsiChick: And as for the GOP, I actually had to go out of my way to map out how they could make America a fascist state because I'm writing a novel where the villains do exactly that, and I didn't want it to be 'political'. As it turns out, the GOP needs exactly one major tragedy to do it. They've already got a solid history of people justifying everything they do, even outright human rights abuses such as Gitmo, by saying 'national security' or blowing off anyone with concerns by claiming they're crazy.


Make sure the villains refer to the terror event as the "New Pearl Harbor" which will usher in the New American Century. And while that seems horribly scripted, so does the last 12 years.

/at least it's no longer the "Thousand Year Reich", aiming for the much more accomplish-able "American Century"
 
2012-05-19 08:12:21 PM

glenlivid: PsiChick: And as for the GOP, I actually had to go out of my way to map out how they could make America a fascist state because I'm writing a novel where the villains do exactly that, and I didn't want it to be 'political'. As it turns out, the GOP needs exactly one major tragedy to do it. They've already got a solid history of people justifying everything they do, even outright human rights abuses such as Gitmo, by saying 'national security' or blowing off anyone with concerns by claiming they're crazy.

Make sure the villains refer to the terror event as the "New Pearl Harbor" which will usher in the New American Century. And while that seems horribly scripted, so does the last 12 years.

/at least it's no longer the "Thousand Year Reich", aiming for the much more accomplish-able "American Century"


*snerks* No, the bad guys are actually living shadows. It's sci-fi\fantasy, and one of the things I wanted to play with was myths coming to life. They're going to make America the bad guy. Actually, that's the only reason they bother with the US at all.

/I realized I was writing the GOP, saw the 'everything happens in America' trope, and decided to fark around with it.
 
2012-05-19 08:25:10 PM

9beers: But lets just go ahead and believe everything the stinky hippie says, right?


Anyone else think it's interesting how the right wing trolls can all day long use insulting language about people who differ in political views, but how dare you call them sexist or racist or homophobic because of what they say?
 
2012-05-19 08:33:25 PM

halfof33: Weaves did I not farking tell you that the farking anarchists would kill the farking Occumopes?

Dumb asses. Hitting the Obama Campaign Headquarters?

Jesus.



Don't you dare jump to conclusions with George Zimmerman, lets wait until all the facts are out.

Oh OWS? All those protesters are rapist, murderers, and terrorists.
 
2012-05-19 08:36:23 PM

PsiChick: glenlivid: PsiChick: And as for the GOP, I actually had to go out of my way to map out how they could make America a fascist state because I'm writing a novel where the villains do exactly that, and I didn't want it to be 'political'. As it turns out, the GOP needs exactly one major tragedy to do it. They've already got a solid history of people justifying everything they do, even outright human rights abuses such as Gitmo, by saying 'national security' or blowing off anyone with concerns by claiming they're crazy.

Make sure the villains refer to the terror event as the "New Pearl Harbor" which will usher in the New American Century. And while that seems horribly scripted, so does the last 12 years.

/at least it's no longer the "Thousand Year Reich", aiming for the much more accomplish-able "American Century"

*snerks* No, the bad guys are actually living shadows. It's sci-fi\fantasy, and one of the things I wanted to play with was myths coming to life. They're going to make America the bad guy. Actually, that's the only reason they bother with the US at all.

/I realized I was writing the GOP, saw the 'everything happens in America' trope, and decided to fark around with it.


Can't wait to read it!
 
2012-05-19 08:38:28 PM

9beers: Obama should have a backbone.



A backbone? For what? To veto a defense spending bill that will pass with enough votes anyway? So your kind can then pin on him that he hates the troops because he refused to sign a bill funding their salaries?
 
2012-05-19 08:44:12 PM

intelligent comment below: 9beers: Obama should have a backbone.

A backbone? For what? To veto a defense spending bill that will pass with enough votes anyway? So your kind can then pin on him that he hates the troops because he refused to sign a bill funding their salaries?


Yes, it's now standard practice for the republicans to sabotage a democrat's entire presidency, and then complain about how little he's accomplished.
 
2012-05-19 08:49:41 PM

intelligent comment below: 9beers: But lets just go ahead and believe everything the stinky hippie says, right?

Anyone else think it's interesting how the right wing trolls can all day long use insulting language about people who differ in political views, but how dare you call them sexist or racist or homophobic because of what they say?


anyone else think it is interesting that your Fark handle is the biggest lie evar?
 
2012-05-19 08:52:38 PM

glenlivid: PsiChick: glenlivid: PsiChick: And as for the GOP, I actually had to go out of my way to map out how they could make America a fascist state because I'm writing a novel where the villains do exactly that, and I didn't want it to be 'political'. As it turns out, the GOP needs exactly one major tragedy to do it. They've already got a solid history of people justifying everything they do, even outright human rights abuses such as Gitmo, by saying 'national security' or blowing off anyone with concerns by claiming they're crazy.

Make sure the villains refer to the terror event as the "New Pearl Harbor" which will usher in the New American Century. And while that seems horribly scripted, so does the last 12 years.

/at least it's no longer the "Thousand Year Reich", aiming for the much more accomplish-able "American Century"

*snerks* No, the bad guys are actually living shadows. It's sci-fi\fantasy, and one of the things I wanted to play with was myths coming to life. They're going to make America the bad guy. Actually, that's the only reason they bother with the US at all.

/I realized I was writing the GOP, saw the 'everything happens in America' trope, and decided to fark around with it.

Can't wait to read it!


D'aww, thanks. Currently wrasslin' the outline...but my goal for the summer is to publish it, so it should be out by fall.

That, or there'll be a thread about how I've finally cracked and gone to the nuthouse after trying to make my book bleed and scream like a human.
 
2012-05-19 09:53:59 PM
This is not a repeat from Prohibition.
 
2012-05-19 10:12:54 PM
The detainee released Friday evening, Robert Lamorte, said he had hitch-hiked to Chicago from New York. He said he doesn't plan on visiting Chicago again.

Oh, man. We'll miss you.
 
2012-05-19 11:06:08 PM

skullkrusher: anyone else think it is interesting that your Fark handle is the biggest lie evar?


All ignorance no substance, sounds about right for you idiot right wing trolls on here. Did you forget that you weren't logged in as 9beers? Don't project onto me. You can't debate anything I say yet you make such a ridiculous claim.
 
2012-05-19 11:13:37 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: anyone else think it is interesting that your Fark handle is the biggest lie evar?

All ignorance no substance, sounds about right for you idiot right wing trolls on here. Did you forget that you weren't logged in as 9beers? Don't project onto me. You can't debate anything I say yet you make such a ridiculous claim.


Hahah, busted skull. Unless you're just white knighting for 9beers, then you're even more pathetic.
 
2012-05-20 12:26:39 AM

Farker Soze: intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: anyone else think it is interesting that your Fark handle is the biggest lie evar?

All ignorance no substance, sounds about right for you idiot right wing trolls on here. Did you forget that you weren't logged in as 9beers? Don't project onto me. You can't debate anything I say yet you make such a ridiculous claim.

Hahah, busted skull. Unless you're just white knighting for 9beers, then you're even more pathetic.


there's a fine line between white knighting and just calling someone out for their stupid, but the line is there and not crossed. 9beers is a moron. So is ICB.
 
2012-05-20 12:27:48 AM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: anyone else think it is interesting that your Fark handle is the biggest lie evar?

All ignorance no substance, sounds about right for you idiot right wing trolls on here. Did you forget that you weren't logged in as 9beers? Don't project onto me. You can't debate anything I say yet you make such a ridiculous claim.


you brought up "racism" and "homophobia" in response to someone calling someone else a "dirty hippy". Does that make much sense to you?
 
2012-05-20 01:37:20 AM

skullkrusher: 9beers is a moron.


Yep, anybody who posts facts is a moron to internet heroes like you, right?
 
2012-05-20 01:59:28 AM

9beers: skullkrusher: 9beers is a moron.

Yep, anybody who posts facts is a moron to internet heroes like you, right?


Hey, he's found a way to feel superior to both. In your case he's correct.

It's a fact.
 
2012-05-20 02:03:22 AM

Farker Soze: Hey, he's found a way to feel superior to both. In your case he's correct.


Never mind the fact that I was right.
 
2012-05-20 02:36:29 AM

9beers: Which is why in a raid of the apartment, 9 were arrested but only 3 were charged. In your world, why wouldn't the police keep all 9 in jail under fabricated charges? Could it be because the system works just a little bit better than you're willing to admit?


The other six were informants or agents provocateurs?
 
2012-05-20 02:51:04 AM

9beers: Farker Soze: Hey, he's found a way to feel superior to both. In your case he's correct.

Never mind the fact that I was right.


We all know you're a right wing nut. What does that have to do with skullkrusher being superior to you?
 
2012-05-20 04:35:18 AM

Rincewind53: Wait, they raided the house without a warrant?

Whooooops. Say hello to the NLG and a huge settlement for the protesters! Sorry Chicago taxpayers.


The updated story on MSNBC

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/19/11765588-attacks-on-chic a go-police-stations-obama-office-were-planned-prosecutors-say?lite

Ya, when the cops bust you with mortars, bomb making materials, and home brewing stuff... odds are they more concerned with the first two things. Ceteris Paribus, given the involvement of explosives, I think most juries would buy into an exigent circumstances case. I actually support the cause of the Occupy kids and firmly believe that cap gains taxes should be no lower than income taxes paid on actual work... but the linked story gives a very one-sided view of the events. You can say you weren't making molotov cocktails, and that may well be the case, but when the police bust into your home and take pictures of the bottles filled with gasoline, you're going to have to convince a jury that there is some reasonable doubt as to what you were doing.
 
2012-05-20 02:45:13 PM

skullkrusher: you brought up "racism" and "homophobia" in response to someone calling someone else a "dirty hippy". Does that make much sense to you?



Huh? I pointed out the logical disconnect between right wingers always complaining about libtards calling them racist and homophobic but turning around and labeling and insulting anyone and everyone in other topics. If you are still confused, as you seem to be, then logic was never one of your strong points in the first place.
 
2012-05-20 04:57:15 PM
intelligent stupid comment below
 
2012-05-21 09:27:01 AM
Haha. This raid happened right around the corner from my apartment.
 
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