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(CBS Chicago)   SWAT team arrests Chicago protesters for the heinous crime of...making beer. Glad we're safe from THAT particular scourge   (chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line 241
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2012-05-19 04:04:49 PM  

9beers: Weaver95: no, no - please continue!

Nah, I'll just wait and point it out the next time you do it.


well you let me know how that turns out.
 
2012-05-19 04:11:04 PM  
Life has taught me to trust toothless crack heads, lawyers, and habitual liars before trusting the police or politicians.
 
2012-05-19 04:18:13 PM  

9beers: stinky hippie


i75.photobucket.com

Your kind spends way too much time whining about civility to say shiat like that and get away with it.
 
2012-05-19 04:30:58 PM  

TheBigJerk: Your kind spends way too much time whining about civility to say shiat like that and get away with it.


Whatever helps you ignore the facts.
 
2012-05-19 04:33:34 PM  
Weaves did I not farking tell you that the farking anarchists would kill the farking Occumopes?

Dumb asses. Hitting the Obama Campaign Headquarters?

Jesus.
 
2012-05-19 04:41:46 PM  

9beers: Everybody has to pick a side here.

1. The State's Attorney's Office says that the three men being held on terrorism charges had improvised explosive incendiary devices, a mortar as well as a hunting bow and various knives.

2. Supporters say that they police mistook beer brewing equipment for explosives and that the police planted the weapons.

Call me a boot licker but I think I'm going to roll with option 1.


I kind of wish you'd pick option #3 and STFU. Seriously, you pretty much ruined this thread with your drivel. Find a new hobby.
 
2012-05-19 04:46:36 PM  
Use of unecessary violence in the aprehenssion of the protesters has been approved
 
2012-05-19 04:52:03 PM  
I love how this story has gone from "protestors arrested/not charged" to "TERRORISTS ARRESTED: Planned on attacking the summit, mayor's house and Obama's campaign headquarters!".

And guess what the media is now reporting, coast to coast? That's right: The story about the filthy, dirty, plotting, conniving, hippie terrorists.

All I can think about is this.
 
2012-05-19 04:53:43 PM  

9beers: TheBigJerk: Your kind spends way too much time whining about civility to say shiat like that and get away with it.

Whatever helps you ignore the facts.


i75.photobucket.com

If you have got a point to make, you will have a better chance of making it WITHOUT immediately doing what all the other shills and shiatheads do of saying "stupid hippies, stinky hippies, hippieshippieshippies" like a weird form of Tourette's syndrome.

Meanwhile, CPD spent a million bucks on military-police gear, they'll find an excuse to use it if they have to start a riot themselves. It is the way of these sorts of things. It's a thing that has been on fark enough most of us consider it common knowledge, the police WILL be busting heads and they WILL be declaring war and they have already been making preemptive strikes. Are there idiots and will they be farking around? Odds are pretty high. Does that make the police actions kosher? Nope.

Smart money says the headline is correct, the "hippies" had molotov cocktails the same way you do (I'm wagering you have rubbing alcohol or the like somewhere in your home) and this is just suppressing an uppity peasant because unlike his richer activist brethren he doesn't wear a suit or lodge protests via bribes (excuse me, "lobbying"). They'll drop the charges in 2 weeks, but by then it will be over and they will keep his arrest on record like his last arrest, because it makes it even easier the next time.

It could be as they say, it is just not very likely.
 
2012-05-19 04:53:59 PM  

glenlivid: Seriously, you pretty much ruined this thread with your drivel.


So by posting the truth, I ruined a thread? Sounds about right.
 
2012-05-19 04:59:29 PM  

TheBigJerk: Smart money says the headline is correct


Yes, that's why only 3 of the 9 were arrested.
 
2012-05-19 05:04:33 PM  
Correction, 3 of the 9 were charged.
 
2012-05-19 05:08:19 PM  

Weaver95: I get the distinct impression that the cops are absolutely terrified by the Occupy movement. if nothing else, its starting to look like every gotdamn federal agency in the country set up shop in Chicago for the NATO summit. that is a LOT of firepower set up just to make sure nobody at the summit even SEES a protest sign.


Yeah, this...kind of scares me, to be honest. I mean, I get that we've got problems. But I figured the response to the Occupy stuff would be some minor-level change.

This really indicates they have something big they're hiding. Given that one political party would be fully capable of creating another Nazi Germany (I wish I were exaggerating, they just need one more successful attack by anyone), that is not reassuring.
 
2012-05-19 05:12:30 PM  

glenlivid: I love how this story has gone from "protestors arrested/not charged" to "TERRORISTS ARRESTED: Planned on attacking the summit, mayor's house and Obama's campaign headquarters!".

And guess what the media is now reporting, coast to coast? That's right: The story about the filthy, dirty, plotting, conniving, hippie terrorists.

All I can think about is this.


In the internet's defense, the corporate media was already narrating how dirty stinking filthy fascist anarchist muslim atheist pagan hippies were going to invade Chicago and set it on fire because they hate NATO and America and Freedom.

Holy shiat! I think these are the same guys were were talking about yesterday (or was it before?) who got pulled over and threatened by police. Wild!
 
2012-05-19 05:12:42 PM  

PsiChick: Yeah, this...kind of scares me, to be honest. I mean, I get that we've got problems. But I figured the response to the Occupy stuff would be some minor-level change.

This really indicates they have something big they're hiding. Given that one political party would be fully capable of creating another Nazi Germany (I wish I were exaggerating, they just need one more successful attack by anyone), that is not reassuring.


What on earth are you talking about? Do you really expect there not to be a police presence when there are demonstrators, some of them violent, all over the city? Do you really expect the police to allow demonstrators to disobey laws when they protest? Those protestors that are acting within the law are being allowed to hold their demonstrations.

The rest of what you're saying about one political party and Nazi Germany is so crazy, I have no idea what point you're even trying to make.
 
2012-05-19 05:16:41 PM  

glenlivid: I love how this story has gone from "protestors arrested/not charged" to "TERRORISTS ARRESTED: Planned on attacking the summit, mayor's house and Obama's campaign headquarters!".


Amazing how stories evolve, isn't it?
 
2012-05-19 05:26:22 PM  

TheBigJerk: glenlivid: I love how this story has gone from "protestors arrested/not charged" to "TERRORISTS ARRESTED: Planned on attacking the summit, mayor's house and Obama's campaign headquarters!".

And guess what the media is now reporting, coast to coast? That's right: The story about the filthy, dirty, plotting, conniving, hippie terrorists.

All I can think about is this.

In the internet's defense, the corporate media was already narrating how dirty stinking filthy fascist anarchist muslim atheist pagan hippies were going to invade Chicago and set it on fire because they hate NATO and America and Freedom.

Holy shiat! I think these are the same guys were were talking about yesterday (or was it before?) who got pulled over and threatened by police. Wild!


Yep. It's pretty weird reading/listening/watching the media concerning protests - completely through the looking glass. The media's coverage of OWL protests has been an undertone of disdain from day 1. Remember how long they milked the meme of "what is it these people want?", trying to portray them as mixed up kids with nothing better to do and absolutely no objectives?

Meanwhile our country is now a corporate oligarchy, nothing has been instituted to keep them from collapsing the economy again, nothing has changed in terms of our healthcare system, nothing has changed in terms of our defense spending (but we simply must get rid of all entitlements because of the debt), and our Bill of Rights has been completely nullified...and all this happened in about 12 years...but what do these crazy hippies want?

The media is now almost 100% propaganda. "You guys in Congress just pass unnecessary laws for the wealthy and against the people and we'll just sit back and kindly report on it for you."
 
2012-05-19 05:28:49 PM  

9beers: The rest of what you're saying about one political party and Nazi Germany is so crazy, I have no idea what point you're even trying to make.


ironically, this is nearly identical to what a LOT of german citizens said about the Nazi party after WWII was done and over with.
 
2012-05-19 05:32:42 PM  
so cops claims that they have loaded molotov cocktails into their car before the raid took place and they claim that there were no molotov cocktails... this shouldn't be so hard to sort out, should it?
 
2012-05-19 05:33:42 PM  
I would like to thank Weaver95 and 9beers for the periodic afternoon entertainment. I applaud you sirs.
 
2012-05-19 05:35:34 PM  

skullkrusher: so cops claims that they have loaded molotov cocktails into their car before the raid took place and they claim that there were no molotov cocktails... this shouldn't be so hard to sort out, should it?


Farkers have already decided, the police planted them.
 
2012-05-19 05:37:55 PM  

9beers: skullkrusher: so cops claims that they have loaded molotov cocktails into their car before the raid took place and they claim that there were no molotov cocktails... this shouldn't be so hard to sort out, should it?

Farkers have already decided, the police planted them.


that doesn't make any sense. They're denying their existence entirely AFAICT
 
2012-05-19 05:39:38 PM  

9beers: skullkrusher: so cops claims that they have loaded molotov cocktails into their car before the raid took place and they claim that there were no molotov cocktails... this shouldn't be so hard to sort out, should it?

Farkers beers has already decided, the police planted them they were charged with terrorism, so therefore they're terrorists.

 
2012-05-19 05:41:39 PM  

skullkrusher: that doesn't make any sense. They're denying their existence entirely AFAICT


Some are sticking to saying that the only thing seized was beer equipment while others have claimed that informants or undercover officers planted them.

What's sad is that nobody seems to be willing to admit that maybe the charges are legit.
 
2012-05-19 05:42:52 PM  

9beers: skullkrusher: that doesn't make any sense. They're denying their existence entirely AFAICT

Some are sticking to saying that the only thing seized was beer equipment while others have claimed that informants or undercover officers planted them.

What's sad is that nobody seems to be willing to admit that maybe the charges are legit.


seems to be a lot of details to be completely fabricated. I suppose we'll find out in the coming days.
 
2012-05-19 05:47:15 PM  

skullkrusher: seems to be a lot of details to be completely fabricated. I suppose we'll find out in the coming days.


What seems fabricated? If this was some big conspiracy, why would they have released 6 of the 9 occupants of the apartment without charge? Try reading some other articles if you want a clearer picture of the facts, don't be like Weaver and base your opinion on one.
 
2012-05-19 05:50:23 PM  

9beers: skullkrusher: seems to be a lot of details to be completely fabricated. I suppose we'll find out in the coming days.

What seems fabricated? If this was some big conspiracy, why would they have released 6 of the 9 occupants of the apartment without charge? Try reading some other articles if you want a clearer picture of the facts, don't be like Weaver and base your opinion on one.


huh? I said it sounds pretty detailed to be made up
 
2012-05-19 05:51:01 PM  

skullkrusher: huh? I said it sounds pretty detailed to be made up


lol, my mistake.
 
2012-05-19 05:52:30 PM  

9beers: glenlivid: I love how this story has gone from "protestors arrested/not charged" to "TERRORISTS ARRESTED: Planned on attacking the summit, mayor's house and Obama's campaign headquarters!".

Amazing how stories evolve, isn't it?


Here's the thing: We get that you're an authoritarian and side with the state. You've made that plenty clear. You've banged that gong enough. But don't sit here and treat the rest of us like we're crazy, paranoid and have no right to question authority, because it only succeeds in making you look more and more like a brainwashed child that is incapable of critical thought. Most people with even a child's understanding of nuance mistrust the media today, because we've experienced their inability to investigate a story for the last 15 years. In this case, the police department tells them what to say, they report it, and that's the end of the story for them. With media like this, we would have never even known about the Watergate break in, or any other relevant story in my lifetime that required even cursory investigation. As a matter of fact, the news media used to embrace whistle-blowers, and now they report on them as though they are spies against their own society. The news media used to be called the Fourth Estate, referring to its "checks and balances" being as important as the role of any of the three recognized branches of government.

So again, we get that you can only interpret the world as a just and functioning place because the media tells your that story. And we get that you trust the police and the government to do what is right...the rest of us don't. Maybe some day you'll thank us...or maybe you'll just take a job with the New Stasi...maybe you already have...either way, your position is quite clear to us at the moment.
 
2012-05-19 05:54:48 PM  
Link

Thrun (Prosecutor) told the court that Church made a remark while assembling the Molotov cocktails: "Ever seen a cop on fire?"

Yeah, I don't think this headline is misleading at all.
 
2012-05-19 06:01:13 PM  
Just to clarify: I don't know what happened in this case, but my first notion isn't to trust the media or the police. And that's sad, but that is a reputation they have thoroughly earned.
 
2012-05-19 06:01:25 PM  

glenlivid: your position is quite clear to us at the moment.


So is yours and I just happen to think it's ridiculous. A month long investigation was conducted on these suspects. At the end of that investigation, it was presented to a judge with a request for a warrant, which was granted. Upon executing that warrant, improvised explosives and weapons were found in the possession of these three suspects. Those are the facts of the case.

On the other side, we have people like you choosing to believe that it's more likely that police either planted the weapons and explosives.

Your tin foil is showing.
 
2012-05-19 06:02:25 PM  

9beers:
What's sad is that nobody seems to be willing to admit that maybe the charges are legit.


Because most of don't think they're legit at all. wait - are you saying that you don't think the cops EVER make mistakes?

oh man....
 
2012-05-19 06:03:06 PM  
oops forgot the last part of what I was typing.

...either planted the weapons and explosives or mistook home brewing equipment for Molotov cocktails and a mortar.
 
2012-05-19 06:05:22 PM  

glenlivid: So again, we get that you can only interpret the world as a just and functioning place because the media tells your that story. And we get that you trust the police and the government to do what is right...the rest of us don't. Maybe some day you'll thank us...or maybe you'll just take a job with the New Stasi...maybe you already have...either way, your position is quite clear to us at the moment.


what makes you think that the media is not doing its duty in this case? They are facing a bail hearing at some point today about possession of an incendiary device and conspiracy to commit terrorism. The prosecution obviously thinks there is something to the story. What else can the media do but report on the details of the hearing and case in general?
 
2012-05-19 06:06:09 PM  

glenlivid: Just to clarify: I don't know what happened in this case, but my first notion isn't to trust the media or the police. And that's sad, but that is a reputation they have thoroughly earned.


hehe well the choice in this matter is between trusting the police or the white dude with dreads... that's a toughie ;)
 
2012-05-19 06:06:36 PM  

Weaver95: Because most of don't think they're legit at all. wait - are you saying that you don't think the cops EVER make mistakes?

oh man....



Lets hear your evidence that leads you to believe they aren't.

I can admit that cops make mistakes and that sometimes cops do bad things like lying and planting evidence. I guess the difference between you and I is that in my world, it happens on rare occasions, while in yours, it happens almost every time somebody is arrested.
 
2012-05-19 06:06:55 PM  

9beers: glenlivid: your position is quite clear to us at the moment.

So is yours and I just happen to think it's ridiculous. A month long investigation was conducted on these suspects. At the end of that investigation, it was presented to a judge with a request for a warrant, which was granted. Upon executing that warrant, improvised explosives and weapons were found in the possession of these three suspects. Those are the facts of the case.

On the other side, we have people like you choosing to believe that it's more likely that police either planted the weapons and explosives.

Your tin foil is showing.


Again, you don't understand my position because it requires nuance that you simply are not capable of. But my Weeners to any situation like this is not to trust the media or police. That doesn't mean I fabricate my own story, that just means that the initial reports are ignored.

But let me put it in words you just might understand: Go ahead and find ANY PLACE THAT I STATED THE POLICE PLANTED EVIDENCE, YOU MONKEY-F*CKING IDIOT.
 
2012-05-19 06:08:43 PM  
FT(other)FA: According the the NLG, the three men were surrounded by several police squad cars outside of a CVS last week, not far for the Occupy Chicago headquarters on 500 West Cermak. The group posted a video that shows police questioning their activities and possible plans for the NATO Summit.

That story, unless I'm mistaken, is this one right here.

FTFS: "See these guys know, '68, these guys know all about '68," one voice allegedly belonging to a police officer says to the protesters. "What did they say back in '68?" one officer asks. "Billy club to the f***ing skull," the voice of another man, allegedly a police officer, says. At the mention of race issues being a factor in the '68 riots, one alleged officer says "okay, now we'll beat your white ass." Before the protesters seem to be dismissed, one of the car's passengers tells police they'll see them at NATO next weekend. "We'll come look for you, each and every one of you," says one man, who is allegedly a police officer.

CPD's response to that story was here.

So if these events follow each other, the police made a terroristic threat, hunted down and arrested the people they threatened, and are now holding them on charges of terrorism.

Maybe I'm wrong?
 
2012-05-19 06:12:27 PM  

9beers: while in yours, it happens almost every time somebody is arrested.


just when drugs or terrorism are involved. those arrests are almost always questionable. And the best part? this happens in your world as well!

ain't it great?
 
2012-05-19 06:17:30 PM  

Weaver95:

Rincewind53: Wait, they raided the house without a warrant?

hey man...they were making terrorist beer! you can't have people running around making terrorist beer. it might get you...I dunno. terrorist drunk or something.

apparently adding 'terrorism' to anything means you can do whatever you want and the consitution no longer applies.


THIS.

And you can thank Obama just as much as Bush. Two faces, one coin.
 
2012-05-19 06:22:57 PM  

SouthernFriedYankee: Weaver95: Rincewind53: Wait, they raided the house without a warrant?
hey man...they were making terrorist beer! you can't have people running around making terrorist beer. it might get you...I dunno. terrorist drunk or something.

apparently adding 'terrorism' to anything means you can do whatever you want and the consitution no longer applies.

THIS.

And you can thank Obama just as much as Bush. Two faces, one coin.


what are we thanking them for?
 
2012-05-19 06:27:20 PM  

Weaver95: just when drugs or terrorism are involved.


Which is why in a raid of the apartment, 9 were arrested but only 3 were charged. In your world, why wouldn't the police keep all 9 in jail under fabricated charges? Could it be because the system works just a little bit better than you're willing to admit?
 
2012-05-19 06:28:11 PM  
I don't know why anyone is arguing about this yet. So far we've heard from Lawyers, Fox, the CPD and some dirty smelly liberal socialist anarchistic hippies. (adjectives added to get the hippies closer to the same reputation as lawyers, Fox, and the CPD) I wouldn't believe any of these groups if they told me the sky was blue unless I was outside. Now sure, I could choose what evidence to believe, but what stands out to me is that they let 6 of em go. If there were mortars and Molotovs (why would you try to shoot a glass bottle out of a mortar anyway? Roast hippie coming up) wouldn't they have held all 9 of em? I mean, 6 very possible terrorists who are even more pissed off let loose just before massive protests fill downtown, and you put em back on the street? That just doesn't make much sense.
 
2012-05-19 06:33:36 PM  

9beers: Weaver95: just when drugs or terrorism are involved.

Which is why in a raid of the apartment, 9 were arrested but only 3 were charged. In your world, why wouldn't the police keep all 9 in jail under fabricated charges? Could it be because the system works just a little bit better than you're willing to admit?


i'm wondering why they let ANY of 'em go. if they were terrorists, then should all be in a jail cell until trial.
 
2012-05-19 06:36:50 PM  

Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: just when drugs or terrorism are involved.

Which is why in a raid of the apartment, 9 were arrested but only 3 were charged. In your world, why wouldn't the police keep all 9 in jail under fabricated charges? Could it be because the system works just a little bit better than you're willing to admit?

i'm wondering why they let ANY of 'em go. if they were terrorists, then should all be in a jail cell until trial.


because some weren't? I really don't see the point here. Defense attorney and their friend say their innocent, that's enough for you? Seems a bit silly to take such a staunch position before all the details are there, no?
 
2012-05-19 06:37:14 PM  

Weaver95: i'm wondering why they let ANY of 'em go. if they were terrorists, then should all be in a jail cell until trial.


I would guess it's because investigators determined that the rest of the group wasn't connected to these three. The apartment was more of a crash pad, not somewhere where 9 connected people were staying.
 
2012-05-19 06:37:36 PM  

skullkrusher: Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: just when drugs or terrorism are involved.

Which is why in a raid of the apartment, 9 were arrested but only 3 were charged. In your world, why wouldn't the police keep all 9 in jail under fabricated charges? Could it be because the system works just a little bit better than you're willing to admit?

i'm wondering why they let ANY of 'em go. if they were terrorists, then should all be in a jail cell until trial.

because some weren't? I really don't see the point here. Defense attorney and their friend say their innocent, that's enough for you? Seems a bit silly to take such a staunch position before all the details are there, no?


their they're bah, I blame the CPD and OWS equally for my mistake
 
2012-05-19 06:43:59 PM  

9beers: Weaver95: i'm wondering why they let ANY of 'em go. if they were terrorists, then should all be in a jail cell until trial.

I would guess it's because investigators determined that the rest of the group wasn't connected to these three. The apartment was more of a crash pad, not somewhere where 9 connected people were staying.


except that doesn't make any sense. if the apartment were a bomb making factory...they why let anyone go?
 
2012-05-19 06:44:30 PM  

skullkrusher: glenlivid: So again, we get that you can only interpret the world as a just and functioning place because the media tells your that story. And we get that you trust the police and the government to do what is right...the rest of us don't. Maybe some day you'll thank us...or maybe you'll just take a job with the New Stasi...maybe you already have...either way, your position is quite clear to us at the moment.

what makes you think that the media is not doing its duty in this case? They are facing a bail hearing at some point today about possession of an incendiary device and conspiracy to commit terrorism. The prosecution obviously thinks there is something to the story. What else can the media do but report on the details of the hearing and case in general?


There's nothing specific about this case, I just don't think the media does anything other than report what it is told. And years later, if a case goes to court and the "suspect" is completely absolved of all charges, don't expect an apology from said media for using the word TERRORIST hundreds of times in their initial (sensational) approach to the story.

And we've had some whoppers in Portland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2033372,00.html

The latter case hasn't gone to trial, but I believe it wouldn't have gone ANYWHERE if the FBI hadn't gotten involved. But that's just like, my opinion, man.
 
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