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2012-05-19 04:30:22 AM
Let Thursday night's brilliant episodes be a testament to Dan Harmon's coke-and-rage-fueled glory.
 
2012-05-19 07:39:34 AM
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2012-05-19 07:57:20 AM
I am really sad. And I need snuggles.
 
2012-05-19 08:00:09 AM
That's not right. F@ck!
 
2012-05-19 08:08:10 AM
I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.

In the show's defense, I think Abed is one of the more brilliant characters in network television history. An Indian-American autistic hero. But what made him and some of the other characters really stand out seems to have been lost in nonsense like pillow forts.

If someone can give me some reason to watch the past 7 or 8 episodes, I would love to be proven wrong. I struggle as it is to find enough quality television to fill my day.
 
2012-05-19 08:10:13 AM
So, the last three seasons and the movie will suck?
 
2012-05-19 08:14:28 AM
Community? Well let's get this started.

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2012-05-19 08:15:37 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.

In the show's defense, I think Abed is one of the more brilliant characters in network television history. An Indian-American autistic hero. But what made him and some of the other characters really stand out seems to have been lost in nonsense like pillow forts.

If someone can give me some reason to watch the past 7 or 8 episodes, I would love to be proven wrong. I struggle as it is to find enough quality television to fill my day.


Uh, wasn't that the premise of the show from the begining?

I can honestly say that I stopped watching at the finale of season 1 or 2 or whatever where Annie kissed...whatever the guy from the Soup's character name is. I literally turned it off right there and haven't bothered with another episode. It was an overt contrivance that just said 'Hey, we don't care about anything we wrote so lets add some junior high drama to the story'. I know there was an unrequited romantic thing going on, but it just struck me as something the guys in Glee would have been ashamed of doing.

Also, I kept thinking Dan Harmons was Mark Harmon. So I was going 'When did Gibs go on Com?'. I really need to pay more attention to names.
 
2012-05-19 08:16:13 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.

In the show's defense, I think Abed is one of the more brilliant characters in network television history. An Indian-American autistic hero. But what made him and some of the other characters really stand out seems to have been lost in nonsense like pillow forts.

If someone can give me some reason to watch the past 7 or 8 episodes, I would love to be proven wrong. I struggle as it is to find enough quality television to fill my day.


This. You nailed it... my sentiments exactly.
 
2012-05-19 08:22:44 AM
Warning Massive Spoilers Ahead if you're not caught up through the finale.

I'm really okay with this and mostly just upset that a bunch of fans will now boycott what otherwise will likely be a much better show.

In the first two seasons, we had a good comedy with heart about a group of seven friends stuck at a Community College together that occasionally delved into abstract craziness. Some of these episodes (D&D, Abed's Christmas) Harmon had to fight the network to make happen and they proved awesome. Others (Paintball, Halloween) were just generally awesome. But Harmon became emboldened by his successes, losing the heart of the show in the abstract craziness that took over the third season. No longer did we have episodes where Jeff has to convince Troy to be a football player or live his past life as a lawyer, instead everything was Glee-offs (a concept they mocked at the end of season 2) or Chang as a proxy for Kim Jong-Il. The best moments of season 3 were when he actually got past that, or used it to re-establish the heart of the show (like Good Abed retaking Evil Abed's soul).

So, essentially, Harmon got too full of himself and his supposed genius. He himself claims on his tumblr last night that he's not easy to work for ('I can't do this show without threatening to quit eight times a day and yelling at people to rewrite things'), and there's the whole feud with him and Chevy Chase.

If the new showrunners can actually get back to realizing that "Community" first and foremost meant these were Community College students, who sometimes actually do sit in classes, and bring the humor from there, using meta-humor and pop culture references are the exception, not the rule, I think the show can actually get much, much better without Harmon at the helm.
 
2012-05-19 08:23:14 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.

In the show's defense, I think Abed is one of the more brilliant characters in network television history. An Indian-American autistic hero. But what made him and some of the other characters really stand out seems to have been lost in nonsense like pillow forts.

If someone can give me some reason to watch the past 7 or 8 episodes, I would love to be proven wrong. I struggle as it is to find enough quality television to fill my day.


The characters are pretty unremarkable. Its really only their strange relationships to each other that are of any interest. The meta pop culture stuff shows how fake and unrewarding and degrading broader society is in comparison to the enrichment and empowerment of a close-knit community. What you call jumping the shark, i call Riker's beard.
 
2012-05-19 08:32:13 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.


I had the same reaction. And since the hiatus it's been trying to be off-the-wall insane and also deathly serious at the same time. It'll take its characters super seriously in one episode and then use them as comic props in the next. It's frustrating.

I actually have high hopes for Harmon's exit. He's done some good stuff but I think the last part of season 3 proved he was running on fumes. Bring in some new blood and let the show slow down the pop-culture merry-go-round
 
2012-05-19 08:42:39 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.

In the show's defense, I think Abed is one of the more brilliant characters in network television history. An Indian-American autistic hero. But what made him and some of the other characters really stand out seems to have been lost in nonsense like pillow forts.

If someone can give me some reason to watch the past 7 or 8 episodes, I would love to be proven wrong. I struggle as it is to find enough quality television to fill my day.




I kind of agree. There's some good episode ("Virtual Systems Analysis"), but quite a bit of the post-hiatus shows kind of feel like a missed opportunity. As a whole, I liked this season, but the over reliance on having whole episodes based on a single reference to a TV show/movie kind of kills my enthusiasm for the show; especially since the first season was one of my favorites of any show.


as far as Harmon leaving, considering the lack of quality control on the show, I'm skeptical that his departure will really be that big of a blow. Hell, the golden era of the Simpsons was ushered in with Al Jean and Mike Reiss becoming the showrunners in season 4 (though at the time, Simpsons was getting better with each successive season rather than worse. Mike and Al were also with the show from the beginning.)
 
2012-05-19 08:49:32 AM
 
2012-05-19 08:52:43 AM
Abed is Palestinian, not Indian. Daniel Pudy is Indian.
 
2012-05-19 09:03:19 AM
I enjoyed the video game episode a great deal. I turned the next one off 2 minutes in. Didn't bother watching the other one. 3 episodes in one night? If I want that kind of saturation, I'll watch every episode of IT Crowd or Spaced on Netflix.
 
2012-05-19 09:05:09 AM
community was one of my favorite shows, but the whole air conditioning school things was just stupid.

It really seems like they're trying to go over the top every episode now.
 
2012-05-19 09:05:47 AM
i don't understand how the show can happen without him.
 
2012-05-19 09:06:59 AM
Showrunner?
 
2012-05-19 09:09:12 AM
Troy and Abed shooting la-va!
 
2012-05-19 09:09:29 AM
R.I.P. Bladerunner

harrisonford.jpg
 
2012-05-19 09:12:00 AM

Trail of Dead: R.I.P. Bladerunner

harrisonford.jpg


Everyone in the world but you knows what a show runner is, so that isn't going to work out as a joke.
 
2012-05-19 09:17:45 AM
It was probably time. The show kind of went off the rails at times this season. Their desire to make everything over-the-top wacky AND pull it in for touching moments right at the end had become old.

And if you're difficult to work with AND your show pulls in something like a 1.3, why would you think you would keep your job?
 
2012-05-19 09:43:13 AM
This is the Britta timeline.
 
2012-05-19 09:43:23 AM
Chevy Chase is probably letting out an evil laugh a la Pierce Hawthorne right now.
 
2012-05-19 09:44:46 AM
Somewhere in Southern California, Chevy Chase is smiling.

Oops. Should have read the article first.
 
2012-05-19 09:46:35 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I enjoyed the video game episode a great deal. I turned the next one off 2 minutes in. Didn't bother watching the other one. 3 episodes in one night? If I want that kind of saturation, I'll watch every episode of IT Crowd or Spaced on Netflix.


I thought the video game episode was odd in that last weeks episode was an obvious setup for the 2nd episode on Thursday, but I thought it was pretty good. Definitely one of the better "reference = joke" episodes.


but yeah, please get rid of Chang.
 
2012-05-19 09:59:26 AM
The finale was a lie. Evil abed won.
 
2012-05-19 10:16:24 AM

narkor: Abed is Palestinian, not Indian. Daniel Pudy is Indian.


And Polish
 
2012-05-19 10:19:59 AM
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So they've ex-Chang-ed showrunners?

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Maybe then I'll Chang the channel.
 
2012-05-19 10:25:06 AM
Hopefully next season has the group going back to class more often. The classroom parts are usually pretty good, and it also keeps the fact that the show takes place at a community college at the forefront.
 
2012-05-19 10:25:16 AM

Dan Harmon: "The same contract also gives me the same salary and title if I spend all day masturbating and playing Prototype 2. And before you ask yourself what you would do in my situation: buy Prototype 2. It's farking great."


Thanks Dan. I haven't really watched Community yet (I've missed alot of the earlier episodes) but I will. And I always like to get good video game recommendation, especially since I have the first Prototype and forgot how fun it is.


The masturbation, I already have down pat.
 
2012-05-19 10:31:56 AM

Trail of Dead: Showrunner?


He who runs the show. A person responsible for all creative aspects of the show, and responsible only to the network. Writing, producing, directing, ect.
 
2012-05-19 10:36:22 AM

NeoCortex42: Hopefully next season has the group going back to class more often. The classroom parts are usually pretty good, and it also keeps the fact that the show takes place at a community college at the forefront.




I don't mind the non-classrooms scenes, though they are generally good. I just want them to cut back on the episodes where they substitute jokes for references. I'm not against parody episodes, but it's not really a parody if the jokes consist of "[reference]. that's the joke.", especially if it doesn't move along any on-going plots (i.e. the Britta/Troy tryst that has come out of nowhere). It's the difference between Airplane! and Scary Movie...
 
2012-05-19 10:43:16 AM
This is not streets ahead...
 
2012-05-19 10:43:54 AM
They should just finish it and kill Community.

Seriously, I love the show, but I can't handle any more of the "OH NO THEY'RE KILLING COMMUNITY" "NO WAIT THEY ARE NOT" "NOW THEY ARE!" "OH WAIT THEY RENEWED IT FOR 2 MORE EPISODES" "WILL DECIDE LATER ON ON MORE"
 
2012-05-19 10:45:54 AM

FeedTheCollapse:

I thought the video game episode was odd in that last weeks episode was an obvious setup for the 2nd episode on Thursday, but I thought it was pretty good. Definitely one of the better "reference = joke" episodes.


I think this happened because of a quirk in the scheduling. The video game episode was actually produced last because of the time the animation took. I think it was originally meant to air BEFORE last week's episode but, because of the production schedule, wasn't ready in time.

I could be completely wrong, though.
 
2012-05-19 10:49:51 AM

rugman11: FeedTheCollapse:

I thought the video game episode was odd in that last weeks episode was an obvious setup for the 2nd episode on Thursday, but I thought it was pretty good. Definitely one of the better "reference = joke" episodes.

I think this happened because of a quirk in the scheduling. The video game episode was actually produced last because of the time the animation took. I think it was originally meant to air BEFORE last week's episode but, because of the production schedule, wasn't ready in time.

I could be completely wrong, though.




sounds likely. According to its production code, it was the last episode produced.
 
2012-05-19 10:51:25 AM

FeedTheCollapse: (i.e. the Britta/Troy tryst that has come out of nowhere)


They've been building Troy/Britta since the dance class episode in season 1.
 
2012-05-19 10:57:42 AM
Truly, this is the darkest timeline.
 
2012-05-19 10:58:38 AM
Wow, a lot of hate in here for the after hiatus, the last five episodes have been some of the best since the first season.
 
2012-05-19 10:59:06 AM

odinsposse: FeedTheCollapse: (i.e. the Britta/Troy tryst that has come out of nowhere)

They've been building Troy/Britta since the dance class episode in season 1.


I don't really recall it being to the extent it is now though I haven't seen that episode in a while. I do recall Troy/Annie, which was unceremoniously dropped midway through the first season. Either way, it's shiatty writing to drop a plot for long periods of time and then reintroduce it; which is also why I wasn't too keen on the Air Conditioning school subplot as it never really went anywhere until the last episode.
 
2012-05-19 11:00:47 AM

salvador.hardin: Trail of Dead: R.I.P. Bladerunner

harrisonford.jpg

Everyone in the world but you knows what a show runner is, so that isn't going to work out as a joke.


The whole world? God, I'm ignorant.
 
2012-05-19 11:01:32 AM

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: I was a big fan of the show for its first two seasons, and I liked a couple of episodes in the third season, but I've been unable to really revisit it since it returned from its hiatus. It felt like it jumped the shark for me (sorry for using that term) when it decided to rely on meta in-jokes and pop culture parody while turning the characters into caricatures. I stopped finding reasons to care about any of them.

In the show's defense, I think Abed is one of the more brilliant characters in network television history. An Indian-American autistic hero. But what made him and some of the other characters really stand out seems to have been lost in nonsense like pillow forts.

If someone can give me some reason to watch the past 7 or 8 episodes, I would love to be proven wrong. I struggle as it is to find enough quality television to fill my day.


I felt the same way.

The last four were pretty kickass, though. I was actually happy with the final three and I haven't entirely felt like that for awhile. Might've convinced me to actually buy the Season 3 DVDs when I was leaning toward no, and I pre-ordered 1 and 2. Only time I've ever done that.

rcantley: And if you're difficult to work with AND your show pulls in something like a 1.3, why would you think you would keep your job?


... yeah. I'm crossing my fingers it turns out like a Simpsons Season 4 deal... Although it is his creation, to be fair - Harmon dug himself into this hole. Should have been the better person in the Chevy thing, could have used someone to knock him off his I-am-God mentality* and bring it down a bit, but c'est la vie and it's too late now.

* I freaking loved the commentary on Season 1. Couldn't get through all of Season 2, but IIRC, that difference is where it's really apparent.
 
2012-05-19 11:03:38 AM

Oakenshield: Community? Well let's get this started everyone finished.

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Holy. farking. Tits.
 
2012-05-19 11:03:41 AM

FeedTheCollapse: odinsposse: FeedTheCollapse: (i.e. the Britta/Troy tryst that has come out of nowhere)

They've been building Troy/Britta since the dance class episode in season 1.

I don't really recall it being to the extent it is now though I haven't seen that episode in a while. I do recall Troy/Annie, which was unceremoniously dropped midway through the first season. Either way, it's shiatty writing to drop a plot for long periods of time and then reintroduce it; which is also why I wasn't too keen on the Air Conditioning school subplot as it never really went anywhere until the last episode.


You're correct but they've had Britta/Troy quick nods since then (the "spaceship" episode in season 2 being an all-of-5-seconds-one but first that comes to mind). A bit more during the carnival episode this season.

Really visibly amped it up in the last few episodes, though, yeah.
 
2012-05-19 11:08:27 AM
So, is Starburns still alive?
 
2012-05-19 11:10:37 AM

FeedTheCollapse: odinsposse: FeedTheCollapse: (i.e. the Britta/Troy tryst that has come out of nowhere)

They've been building Troy/Britta since the dance class episode in season 1.

I don't really recall it being to the extent it is now though I haven't seen that episode in a while. I do recall Troy/Annie, which was unceremoniously dropped midway through the first season. Either way, it's shiatty writing to drop a plot for long periods of time and then reintroduce it; which is also why I wasn't too keen on the Air Conditioning school subplot as it never really went anywhere until the last episode.


They've been doing it subtly. The last reference I can think of was them enjoying their hug a whole lot in the Heart of Darkness episode. I actually think it's much better writing than making it an overt will they/won't they subplot that gets inserted into the show. I like that they'll do long threads like this or the Beetlejuice joke. Also, they're basically doing the same thing with Annie and Abed so get ready for that.
 
2012-05-19 11:13:32 AM

odinsposse: FeedTheCollapse: odinsposse: FeedTheCollapse: (i.e. the Britta/Troy tryst that has come out of nowhere)

They've been building Troy/Britta since the dance class episode in season 1.

I don't really recall it being to the extent it is now though I haven't seen that episode in a while. I do recall Troy/Annie, which was unceremoniously dropped midway through the first season. Either way, it's shiatty writing to drop a plot for long periods of time and then reintroduce it; which is also why I wasn't too keen on the Air Conditioning school subplot as it never really went anywhere until the last episode.

They've been doing it subtly. The last reference I can think of was them enjoying their hug a whole lot in the Heart of Darkness episode. I actually think it's much better writing than making it an overt will they/won't they subplot that gets inserted into the show. I like that they'll do long threads like this or the Beetlejuice joke. Also, they're basically doing the same thing with Annie and Abed so get ready for that.


If they keep it one-sided that's fine.

I really don't see them setting that up as much as Britta/Troy but whatever.

/the lock of hair thing was unnecessary
//and creepy!
 
2012-05-19 11:17:55 AM

odinsposse: Also, they're basically doing the same thing with Annie and Abed so get ready for that.


Yeah, I see that coming. I terms of writing, I think that tryst is better written than Troy/Britta or Jeff/Annie, which also came off as forced. In retrospect, Troy/Britta was alluded to subtly, but the sudden ramp-up is just kind of odd, I guess; it comes off less as a natural progression and more as "Oh shiat, we forgot a plot point!"
 
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