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(Mother Nature Network)   The reason so many men these days aren't vegetarians is because Charles Bronson and John Wayne spent so much time eating bloody steaks and charred burgers while sitting around in bacon-stitched robes   (mnn.com) divider line 110
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2012-05-19 10:35:28 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: John Wayne was overcompensating.

I mean, when you're named "Marion"...


Technically, "Marion" is "Mario" with an augmentative suffix, so it's actually a sufficiently manly name. That is sounds similar to Maryanne when pronounced improperly is a coincidence.
 
2012-05-19 10:39:57 AM  
Actually for me, it was more that I found myself miserable.

I really did give "no meat", not even fish, an honest try for a month. I love to cook, and I've been on retreats where it was all veg and the food was pretty damned good, so I put together a crapton of good recipes and set to it. I had recipes that were "meatless" versions of foods I like, such as chili, and I had just straight up vegetarian recipes from all over the world.

While my food budget was costing decidedly less money, and I wasn't being short changed on nutrition either, I just missed it. Oh I got creative, I had various types of tofu in marinades, hell I even deep fried it, I had seitan that I'd made myself and used in stir fry, all kinds of stuff. And I tell you, it was really good! But at the end of the month, I just didn't feel happy.

After re-evaluating the reasons for my trying this experiment out (partially the meat farming industry, partially health), I said "fark THIS shiat" and made some ribs. However, the ribs were from a local farm where I got to see for myself their process and how the animals were treated. From now on, most of the time meat is the garnish and veggies are the major portion of the meal. While some people view fish as a better alternative, most of the cultivated fisheries are far worse for the surrounding environment than even the most abusive of meat farms.

Oh, and before all "You hippy" and all that shiat, if you like good pork ribs or beef or chicken or turkey, do a little experiment. Hit the store and buy regular old beef ribs or pork chops, then find some local farm that raises their animals well and sells meat. Cook the two. There's no comparison. The beef you get from a farm has allowed the cows to walk around and roam, eating grass and hay, so marbling is superb and any fats just disintegrate into the meet when cooked. The pork isn't a "white meat", it's mostly red and so tender you can cut it with a fork. Yeah, it's more expensive but if you the meat isn't the focus of the meal, it balances out.
 
2012-05-19 10:55:41 AM  
I'll never be a real vegetarian, but i have been gradually eating healthier to lose weight. After a few months of broccoli, apples, and yogurt, i'm astounded at how the meaty things i used to like now smell and taste like crap. Fish? Grilled chicken? Sure, let me have it. But the stench of large slabs of beef and Whoppers make me physically sick.

The real shock was sipping a Coke after a year of nothing but water, coffee, and tomato juice -- you can't believe that anyone would ever drink that oversweetened battery acid without being physically threatened first.

Although, i would like some barbecued ribs. Those sound good.
 
2012-05-19 10:55:46 AM  
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2012-05-19 10:57:45 AM  

ELF Radio: But the stench of large slabs of beef and Whoppers make me physically sick.


You shut your whore mouth!!!!
 
2012-05-19 11:00:32 AM  
Such putzes.
Look in a mirror at your teeth.
Know what your body is equipted to eat?

It ain't grass.
 
2012-05-19 11:01:08 AM  
The vast majority of vegetarians are also liberal, Pansy feminists. I'll take my ribeye medium rare.
 
2012-05-19 11:08:16 AM  

hubiestubert: ...and I will the Hells out of some sushi.


So, you're like some kind of sushi exorcist?
 
2012-05-19 11:08:35 AM  
The Roman legions ate very little meat. The Aztecs were practically vegetarians. You can be strong and manly and good at violence on a vegetable diet. But eventually the Italians learned to cook and the Spanish brought pigs to the New World, and those things may have had some effect on the course of history.
 
2012-05-19 11:16:27 AM  
Vegetarian for 13 years now. Eat meat, don't eat meat, I don't give a fark. I stopped liking the taste of it, haven't craved it since
 
2012-05-19 11:19:12 AM  
trotsky Smartest
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2012-05-19 09:26:23 AM


Charles Bronson was way more badass than John Wayne. He didn't have to brag, he was in Death Wish and in Korea. He was Paul-motherfarking-Kersey. Also, The Dirty Dozen.


Actually, he wasn't in Korea. He served in the Pacific in WWII. Not that it negates your point - his early life does sound pretty badass. Before he had a career gunning down rapists - oh, that was in the pictures.
 
2012-05-19 11:19:49 AM  

WhippingBoy: Men eat meat because they like to be healthy.


And because it tastes really farking good.
 
2012-05-19 11:20:39 AM  
If your only argument for not eating meat is naked chicks telling you not to, you don't have much of an argument, since meat is the only one I have any chance of eating.
 
2012-05-19 11:23:57 AM  

snocone: Such putzes.
Look in a mirror at your teeth.
Know what your body is equipted to eat?

It ain't grass.


We can eat grass. Wheat, barley, rye, all grasses. And you can eat plain on Kentucky blue if you feel but it has as less nutrient than celery.
 
2012-05-19 11:30:26 AM  

ima turkey: The vast majority of vegetarians are also liberal, Pansy feminists. I'll take my ribeye medium rare.


So when you see some guy you've known for a while sitting around eating his lunch, do you lift up the lasagna layers to see if the stuff inside is diced mushroom instead of ground beef? When he's got a bag full of taco bell, do you unroll the burritos to see that they're bean and cheese or 7 layer instead of the ones with beef or chicken? Do you cut open his ravioli to check? Do you pull apart his sandwich to see that there's a slice of bologna hiding under the lettuce? Maybe you're biasing your sampling with your own hypothesis.

I've had vegetarians eat with me repeatedly and not figure out i'm a vegetarian. I had a work supervisor who was ordering food for the crew have to ask me because she had been watching my food for 2 years and never seen a piece of chicken...

Some of us just eat our food and go about our business because we don't feel like being called liars and stand there politely while people think back over the years of the food we've been seen to eat. We don't give you crap about your choice of foods, but we know that most people won't give us the same respect.
 
2012-05-19 11:40:22 AM  
Breakfast steak is the most important steak of the day.
 
2012-05-19 11:40:59 AM  

snocone: Such putzes.
Look in a mirror at your teeth.
Know what your body is equipted to eat?
It ain't grass.


Oddly enough back in my undergrad days I actually did have a class on mammalian anatomy that spent most of the time covering the differences between teeth. Humans have very weak canines and our molars are nothing like those of cats/dogs/true carnivores.

Where were you going with this?
 
2012-05-19 11:42:02 AM  

Riffington: The Roman legions ate very little meat. The Aztecs were practically vegetarians. You can be strong and manly and good at violence on a vegetable diet.


By your own admission, neither the Roman legions nor the Aztecs were actually vegetarians.
You do realize that there's a difference between a vegetarian diet and one that includes reasonable amounts of meat, don't you?
 
2012-05-19 11:48:15 AM  

SirEattonHogg: trotsky Smartest
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2012-05-19 09:26:23 AM


Charles Bronson was way more badass than John Wayne. He didn't have to brag, he was in Death Wish and in Korea. He was Paul-motherfarking-Kersey. Also, The Dirty Dozen.

Actually, he wasn't in Korea. He served in the Pacific in WWII. Not that it negates your point - his early life does sound pretty badass. Before he had a career gunning down rapists - oh, that was in the pictures.


He was a bad ass street fighter in Hard Times, too:
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2012-05-19 11:54:51 AM  
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2012-05-19 12:00:32 PM  
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I eat meat so I don't break out in vaginas.
 
2012-05-19 12:02:06 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: PainInTheASP: It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.

Yeah, that attitude works great until about age 60 when you show up at the hospital 60 lbs over weight with searing chest pain; your blood pressure 176/120, and your cholesterol and triglycerides off the chart...and the doctors tell you that the next time you'll leave the hospital in a box.

/sad vegan for 9 months now...but doing much better
//pan-seared extra-firm tofu with stir-fry veggies is actually pretty tasty
///mostly over the meat and cheese cravings...mostly ;^(


Meat will not put you in the hospital unless you choke on it, nor will eating meat make you fat.
Being fat and unhealthy will put you in the hospital.
 
2012-05-19 12:03:47 PM  

WhippingBoy: Riffington: The Roman legions ate very little meat. The Aztecs were practically vegetarians. You can be strong and manly and good at violence on a vegetable diet.

By your own admission, neither the Roman legions nor the Aztecs were actually vegetarians.
You do realize that there's a difference between a vegetarian diet and one that includes reasonable amounts of meat, don't you?


They weren't religious about it, if that's what you're saying. But they didn't have varied diets including "reasonable amounts of meat". They had what they could get. For the Romans, that meant bringing grains and vegetables when their supply lines were good and hunting/foraging when they were outside their supply lines. If they would have noticed an improvement in nutrition they would have put meat into the regular diet. They didn't.
 
2012-05-19 12:04:58 PM  
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(hot, of course)
No meat for months here, except for an occasional strip of bacon. If you crave meat your body is telling you something. But most people don't need it every day.
 
2012-05-19 12:05:42 PM  

KiplingKat872: As a vegetarian for twenty years now, I know that vegetarianism is not for everyone. Human beings are omnivorous by nature and some people just physically can't make the adjustment. As completely non-scientific personal observation, while some women can't make that adjustment, more men seem to have a harder time. Most male vegetarians I meet are pale and wan. I just want to buy them a cheeseburger. Maybe beef has some amino acid necessary for the production of testosterone or something.


Carnitine. Also vitamins and minerals in large amounts.
 
2012-05-19 12:09:10 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Vegetarian for 13 years now. Eat meat, don't eat meat, I don't give a fark. I stopped liking the taste of it, haven't craved it since


THIS.

I hate the term "vegetarian" because of loaded moral judgment associated with it. I tell people "I don't eat meat." when the situation arises at mealtime. I don't eat meat, I think it is gross, and I don't give a shiat if you do eat it. Stop quoting Dennis Leary that shiat is tired and I am not trying to convert you. For farks sake if you wanna quote anyone quote Ron Swanson who I would gladly cook a steak for any day.

/makes a mean, juicy burger from a family recipe.
//would never eat it though.
///not all of us are crying PETA hippies so back the fark off.
 
2012-05-19 12:24:51 PM  
Obligatory:

Ron Swanson on Vegan Bacon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXhJPey3i_A

Also, non-fermented soy, you know, the soy Westerners eat, is really NOT good for you.
 
2012-05-19 12:25:34 PM  

trotsky: Charles Bronson was way more badass than John Wayne. He didn't have to brag, he was in Death Wish and in Korea. He was Paul-motherfarking-Kersey. Also, The Dirty Dozen.

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... and he was a lot older than anyone knew, something like 150 years old when he was in Once Upon A Time In The West

That .. was one bad ass dude.

And anyone here who defames John Wayne I will hunt down and BBQ.
 
2012-05-19 12:26:52 PM  

Riffington: WhippingBoy: Riffington: The Roman legions ate very little meat. The Aztecs were practically vegetarians. You can be strong and manly and good at violence on a vegetable diet.

By your own admission, neither the Roman legions nor the Aztecs were actually vegetarians.
You do realize that there's a difference between a vegetarian diet and one that includes reasonable amounts of meat, don't you?

They weren't religious about it, if that's what you're saying. But they didn't have varied diets including "reasonable amounts of meat". They had what they could get. For the Romans, that meant bringing grains and vegetables when their supply lines were good and hunting/foraging when they were outside their supply lines. If they would have noticed an improvement in nutrition they would have put meat into the regular diet. They didn't.


Perhaps they should have. They might still be around today.
 
2012-05-19 12:40:25 PM  

trotsky: Charles Bronson was way more badass than John Wayne. He didn't have to brag, he was in Death Wish and in Korea. He was Paul-motherfarking-Kersey. Also, The Dirty Dozen.

He was indeed far more badass than John Wayne, but I don't think he was a Korea veteran. He was a WW2 veteran, however. Plus he was a descendant of the Mongol hordes.

 
2012-05-19 12:40:35 PM  

troubled adult: I hate the term "vegetarian" because of loaded moral judgment associated with it. I tell people "I don't eat meat." when the situation arises at mealtime.


That's exactly how I am. I don't identify as "vegitarian," just a "non-meat eater." I don't necessary think meat is gross (except maybe bacon--seriously, nothing about bacon has ever been appealing to me) but I recognize the meat industry in the USA is pretty lousy and I don't enjoy meat enough to outweigh the detrimental aspects.


PainInTheASP: Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.


And to the folks that are complaining that tofu doesn't taste like steak: you're doing it wrong. Meat substitutes aren't going to wean you off meat. Meat substitutes are just that: substitutes. When you eat them the only thing you'll be thinking is, "I sure as hell wish I were eating some real meat right now." Eat dishes that are good on their own right and aren't trying to imitate a flavor or texture. You might be surprised how much you enjoy them.
 
2012-05-19 12:50:38 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: snocone: Such putzes.
Look in a mirror at your teeth.
Know what your body is equipted to eat?
It ain't grass.

Oddly enough back in my undergrad days I actually did have a class on mammalian anatomy that spent most of the time covering the differences between teeth. Humans have very weak canines and our molars are nothing like those of cats/dogs/true carnivores.

Where were you going with this?


Humans are omnivores.
Ignore it at your own peril.
Trendy fad du jour is no way to approach your diet, son.
 
2012-05-19 12:53:47 PM  
Vegetarians: No amount of self-righteous grandstanding can get rid of the main indisputable fact about meat, it is tasty! It also smells awesome while being cooked!
 
2012-05-19 01:05:29 PM  

7FARK7: Vegetarians: No amount of self-righteous grandstanding can get rid of the main indisputable fact about meat, it is tasty! It also smells awesome while being cooked!


Intetestingly, almost all the self-righteousness on this thread is coming from the meat eaters.

People who get self-righteous about what they eat have some pretty skewed ideas of self-worth.
 
2012-05-19 01:11:04 PM  
Strange that seafood didn't become as hugely popular after John Wayne wrestled an octopus.

www.b-masters.com

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Mmmmmmmm, tentacle goodness
 
2012-05-19 01:13:19 PM  

troubled adult: Dead for Tax Reasons: Vegetarian for 13 years now. Eat meat, don't eat meat, I don't give a fark. I stopped liking the taste of it, haven't craved it since

THIS.

I hate the term "vegetarian" because of loaded moral judgment associated with it. I tell people "I don't eat meat." when the situation arises at mealtime. I don't eat meat, I think it is gross, and I don't give a shiat if you do eat it. Stop quoting Dennis Leary that shiat is tired and I am not trying to convert you. For farks sake if you wanna quote anyone quote Ron Swanson who I would gladly cook a steak for any day.

/makes a mean, juicy burger from a family recipe.
//would never eat it though.
///not all of us are crying PETA hippies so back the fark off.


^^^^^^^

Thankfully there are some excellent substitutes that approximate the texture of ground meat very successfully (also quicker to cook).

As for myself, I don't eat much meat. Maybe once a week, if that, and then usually chicken or fish. Beef causes lactose intolerance-like symptoms for me, so, I stopped eating it ~5 years ago. I could quit eating meat entirely an not miss it. Not like cheese...I started showing signs of lactose intolerance last year :=(.

I stopped eating meat because I live with a vegetarian and cooking two versions of each meal is really an unreasonable amount of effort in daily life, That's not to say that I don't have ethical objections too. They are a bit more anthropocentric in priority though:
* lakes of untreated sewage are breeding grounds for disease and environmentally ruinous,
* factory farms put out tainted meat in far too high of quantities,
* happy animal produce superior meat, just try some Kobe beef
* I am opposed to needless suffering in humans and animals (if you hunt, it better be with the intention of eating it IMHO)

Also, I do more "manly" things than most people I know. Largely because I find great satisfaction in the use of hand tools and working up a sweat and, well, they pretty much stay inside being pasty and fat.

/Oh how I wish maple would stop dulling my blades
//Oh and PETA, kill yourselves.
///Really. You're wasting resources that sane people could use and being criminally stupid.
 
2012-05-19 01:15:39 PM  

KiplingKat872: 7FARK7: Vegetarians: No amount of self-righteous grandstanding can get rid of the main indisputable fact about meat, it is tasty! It also smells awesome while being cooked!

Intetestingly, almost all the self-righteousness on this thread is coming from the meat eaters.

People who get self-righteous about what they eat have some pretty skewed ideas of self-worth.


In this thread, the carnivores/omnivores are being a tad smarmy.

In the real world, vegetarians/vegans are constantly harping about how anyone who eats animals is a murderer and destroying the planet.
 
2012-05-19 01:20:06 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: KiplingKat872: 7FARK7: Vegetarians: No amount of self-righteous grandstanding can get rid of the main indisputable fact about meat, it is tasty! It also smells awesome while being cooked!

Intetestingly, almost all the self-righteousness on this thread is coming from the meat eaters.

People who get self-righteous about what they eat have some pretty skewed ideas of self-worth.

In this thread, the carnivores/omnivores are being a tad smarmy.

In the real world, vegetarians/vegans are constantly harping about how anyone who eats animals is a murderer and destroying the planet.


Tell me more about your "real world." It seems different from mine.
 
2012-05-19 01:21:19 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: KiplingKat872: 7FARK7: Vegetarians: No amount of self-righteous grandstanding can get rid of the main indisputable fact about meat, it is tasty! It also smells awesome while being cooked!

Intetestingly, almost all the self-righteousness on this thread is coming from the meat eaters.

People who get self-righteous about what they eat have some pretty skewed ideas of self-worth.

In this thread, the carnivores/omnivores are being a tad smarmy.

In the real world, vegetarians/vegans are constantly harping about how anyone who eats animals is a murderer and destroying the planet.


Funny, I have had the opposite experience. When I quietly order a salad for dinner and they find put I'm a vegetarian, I am treated to three choruses of how wonderful meat is and how unnatural being a vegetarian is. If I actually cared, I'm sure it would be seven choruses.

Spent six weeks sailing a ship. Four vegetarians in a crew if 27, no one knew but the steward. The guy who was lactose intolerant made a bigger deal out of it.
 
2012-05-19 01:21:50 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: KiplingKat872: 7FARK7: Vegetarians: No amount of self-righteous grandstanding can get rid of the main indisputable fact about meat, it is tasty! It also smells awesome while being cooked!

Intetestingly, almost all the self-righteousness on this thread is coming from the meat eaters.

People who get self-righteous about what they eat have some pretty skewed ideas of self-worth.

In this thread, the carnivores/omnivores are being a tad smarmy.

In the real world, vegetarians/vegans are constantly harping about how anyone who eats animals is a murderer and destroying the planet.


In the real world, it seems to be the vegans/vegetarians who define themselves by what they eat. Rarely do you hear a "carnivore" mention that fact when asked to describe him or herself.
 
2012-05-19 01:40:44 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: hubiestubert: ...and I will the Hells out of some sushi.

So, you're like some kind of sushi exorcist?


I exorcise sushi all the time. IN MAH BELLY! :D

/cooking salmon is insane
//you cannot cook the demons out of salmon; only digest them out raw
 
2012-05-19 02:13:02 PM  

snocone: Trendy fad du jour is no way to approach your diet, son.


18yrs is hardly du jour, old man. I don't NEED to kill animals to eat, so I choose not to, and I've been rewarded with low body fat, low cholesterol, exemplary blood pressure and heart function - I'm pretty happy with how things worked out. However, I will shortly be on some travels where I may not have that option, so it will probably be my first time eating meat since I was a teen working at mcdonalds. I'm not going to cry about it, I'll just eat as little as possible to keep going. Besides, I do animal research, so claiming some crazy moral issue would be kind of difficult. Really, I look at it the same way as I do self defense - do the least possible harm. I carry a pistol all day every day, but I'm happy to run away if I have that particular option (and I've had both options here in detroit on a number of occasions. I've never shot anybody, but I've made a few turn around and run the other way.)

Keizer_Ghidorah: In the real world, vegetarians/vegans are constantly harping about how anyone who eats animals is a murderer and destroying the planet.


Yeah, not really. People with no identity do that so they can feel like they're doing something, and then they give it up and go back to their old lives. The rest of us have to deal with the fallout.

KiplingKat872: Funny, I have had the opposite experience. When I quietly order a salad for dinner and they find put I'm a vegetarian, I am treated to three choruses of how wonderful meat is and how unnatural being a vegetarian is. If I actually cared, I'm sure it would be seven choruses.
Spent six weeks sailing a ship. Four vegetarians in a crew if 27, no one knew but the steward. The guy who was lactose intolerant made a bigger deal out of it.


For real. I'm gonna guess that you've learned to always eat something before you go out to dinner with friends, just in case you wind up at a place that only serves steaks and all side items contain bacon, right? And you've learned to say things like "tell me about this portabella burger. is it any good? maybe i'll try that..." just to avoid the hassle.
 
2012-05-19 02:28:58 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: snocone: Trendy fad du jour is no way to approach your diet, son.

18yrs is hardly du jour, old man. I don't NEED to kill animals to eat, so I choose not to, and I've been rewarded with low body fat, low cholesterol, exemplary blood pressure and heart function - I'm pretty happy with how things worked out. However, I will shortly be on some travels where I may not have that option, so it will probably be my first time eating meat since I was a teen working at mcdonalds. I'm not going to cry about it, I'll just eat as little as possible to keep going. Besides, I do animal research, so claiming some crazy moral issue would be kind of difficult. Really, I look at it the same way as I do self defense - do the least possible harm. I carry a pistol all day every day, but I'm happy to run away if I have that particular option (and I've had both options here in detroit on a number of occasions. I've never shot anybody, but I've made a few turn around and run the other way.)

Keizer_Ghidorah: In the real world, vegetarians/vegans are constantly harping about how anyone who eats animals is a murderer and destroying the planet.

Yeah, not really. People with no identity do that so they can feel like they're doing something, and then they give it up and go back to their old lives. The rest of us have to deal with the fallout.

KiplingKat872: Funny, I have had the opposite experience. When I quietly order a salad for dinner and they find put I'm a vegetarian, I am treated to three choruses of how wonderful meat is and how unnatural being a vegetarian is. If I actually cared, I'm sure it would be seven choruses.
Spent six weeks sailing a ship. Four vegetarians in a crew if 27, no one knew but the steward. The guy who was lactose intolerant made a bigger deal out of it.

For real. I'm gonna guess that you've learned to always eat something before you go out to dinner with friends, just in case you wind up at a place that only serves steaks and all side items contain baco ...


Well, when I was thinking apex predator, I was not really considering the McyD World.
And, I was in the 20-40K year frame, not 18 years.
But, you go.
 
2012-05-19 02:32:45 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Please, meat eatters, while the article is very wrong, there is truth to it.

You probably eat steak, bacon, and all the other delicious animals because your dad ate them. And humans don't change much in terms of personality from childhood to adulthood. If you grew up liking your dad in any way then odds are you considered him the most manly person at one time and probably would do anything to be like him. Including believing meat eating is natural and delicious.

Which it is. But if your dad had been a vegetarian, ya'll probably would have been vegetarians.


Which is akin to saying "You're right, but only because your family has instilled that information into you."

Which is to say, yes.
 
2012-05-19 02:37:51 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: snocone: Such putzes.
Look in a mirror at your teeth.
Know what your body is equipted to eat?
It ain't grass.

Oddly enough back in my undergrad days I actually did have a class on mammalian anatomy that spent most of the time covering the differences between teeth. Humans have very weak canines and our molars are nothing like those of cats/dogs/true carnivores.

Where were you going with this?


I would assume his point was that we are omnivores, as evidenced by our teeth (which are neither ideal for plants OR meat, but adequate for both)
 
2012-05-19 02:51:30 PM  

LavenderWolf: ThatGuyOverThere: snocone: Such putzes.
Look in a mirror at your teeth.
Know what your body is equipted to eat?
It ain't grass.

Oddly enough back in my undergrad days I actually did have a class on mammalian anatomy that spent most of the time covering the differences between teeth. Humans have very weak canines and our molars are nothing like those of cats/dogs/true carnivores.

Where were you going with this?

I would assume his point was that we are omnivores, as evidenced by our teeth (which are neither ideal for plants OR meat, but adequate for both)


And our simple digestive systems that are ideal for digesting meat and non-cellulose-containing parts of plants (the fruits, seeds, and nuts). Even our most herbivorous primate cousins' diets are mostly fruits, seeds, and nuts because they can't digest the leaves, stems, bark, and other parts (fortunately they live in areas where there are either lots of fruiting trees and/or low-cellulose plants like ferns), and recent evidence shows that gorillas also add meat to their diets more often than previously thought.

Humans becoming completely herbivorous is akin to what pandas did. It's fortunate that meat allowed humans to develop higher intelligence so that we could modify plants and invent machines to make living as vegetarians possible and not dangerous.
 
2012-05-19 03:54:53 PM  
I just went to whole foods, went to their veggie buffet, and got two peruvian duck legs in fig-sauce, two serving spoons of the peruvian pork medley, and a side of chilean fish of some type.

Apparently it's South American veggie week, with those figs and some green peppers in with the pork.
 
2012-05-19 04:20:35 PM  
Didn't John Wayne die of cancer?

/Not a vegetarian.
//Also not dumb enough to think I can eat pallets of red meat and not be negatively affected.
 
2012-05-19 04:27:13 PM  

Wayne 985: Didn't John Wayne die of cancer?

/Not a vegetarian.
//Also not dumb enough to think I can eat pallets of red meat and not be negatively affected.


From either being exposed to nuclear radiation or smoking like a chimney.

Although he enrolled in a cancer vaccine study in an attempt to ward off the disease,[43] John Wayne died of stomach cancer on June 11, 1979, at the UCLA Medical Center, and was interred in the Pacific View Memorial Park cemetery in Corona del Mar. According to his son Patrick and his grandson Matthew Muñoz, a priest in the California Diocese of Orange, he converted to Roman Catholicism shortly before his death.[55][56] He requested his tombstone read "Feo, Fuerte y Formal", a Spanish epitaph Wayne described as meaning "ugly, strong and dignified".[57] However, the grave, unmarked for twenty years, is now marked with a quotation from his controversial 1971 Playboy interview: "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."[58][59][60]

Among the 220 or so cast and crew who filmed the 1956 film, The Conqueror, on location near St. George, Utah, 91 at various times developed some form of cancer (41%), including stars Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Agnes Moorehead, and director Dick Powell. The film was shot in southwestern Utah, east of and generally downwind from the site of recent U.S. Government nuclear weapons tests in southeastern Nevada. Although the 41% incidence of cancer in the cast and crew is very close to that of the general population,[61] many contend radioactive fallout from these tests contaminated the film location and poisoned the film crew working there.[62][63] Despite the suggestion that Wayne's 1964 lung cancer and his 1979 stomach cancer resulted from nuclear contamination, he himself believed his lung cancer to have been a result of his six-pack-a-day cigarette habit.[64]


You can eat whatever you want, what it is is less important than how much of it and exercise.
 
2012-05-19 04:27:43 PM  

Wayne 985: Didn't John Wayne die of cancer?

/Not a vegetarian.
//Also not dumb enough to think I can eat pallets of red meat and not be negatively affected.


No need to eat pallets. Also, red meat need not be beef - lamb is delicious.
 
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