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(Mother Nature Network)   The reason so many men these days aren't vegetarians is because Charles Bronson and John Wayne spent so much time eating bloody steaks and charred burgers while sitting around in bacon-stitched robes   (mnn.com) divider line 110
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2012-05-19 07:21:31 AM
If a hideously deformed one-eyed sailor obsessed with a breastless woman couldn't sell vegetarianism as manly, no one can.
 
2012-05-19 07:36:37 AM
Mr. Coffee Nerves: If a hideously deformed one-eyed sailor obsessed with a breastless woman couldn't sell vegetarianism as manly, no one can.

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2012-05-19 07:42:20 AM
John Wayne?

myplateoryours.typepad.com

/hot
 
2012-05-19 07:50:21 AM
John Wayne was overcompensating.

I mean, when you're named "Marion"...
 
2012-05-19 09:18:25 AM
Or, it might just be that meat tastes so damn good. Maybe.

/crazy talk, I know
 
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2012-05-19 09:18:33 AM
I don't know about everyone else, but it's the taste of bacon keeps me from being a veggie.
 
2012-05-19 09:19:08 AM
Mr. Coffee Nerves

If a hideously deformed one-eyed sailor obsessed with a breastless woman couldn't sell vegetarianism as manly, no one can.


Holy f**king sh*t! Done in one, and so eloquently said!

/Eygogagogagogagogagogagoga!
 
2012-05-19 09:21:03 AM
It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.
 
2012-05-19 09:22:41 AM
This is a whole article that basically reads: Meat is Manly.... because barbecues blah blah science, without actually being explicit about it.... waste of space article and pseudo-science
 
2012-05-19 09:25:11 AM
My second word was meat. No sociology necessary.

/ the first one was Fark
 
2012-05-19 09:26:23 AM
Charles Bronson was way more badass than John Wayne. He didn't have to brag, he was in Death Wish and in Korea. He was Paul-motherfarking-Kersey. Also, The Dirty Dozen.

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2012-05-19 09:26:43 AM
PainInTheASP: Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions,

so much this.
 
2012-05-19 09:27:16 AM
FTA:

Study participants routinely linked more masculine people and behaviors with men, while women were more associated with vegetables and sushi.

That's some good reporting there, Ric.
 
2012-05-19 09:27:41 AM
had steak for dinner and another for breakfast. farkin nom
 
2012-05-19 09:31:36 AM
trotsky

Charles Bronson was way more badass than John Wayne. He didn't have to brag, he was in Death Wish and in Korea. He was Paul-motherfarking-Kersey. Also, The Dirty Dozen.


Would have loved to seen a real fist-fight between Eastwood and Bronson in their prime.
 
2012-05-19 09:32:10 AM
I've loved spinach, broccoli, brussels sprouts...All my life. But that's not going to EVER mean I'll stop eating burgers and steaks.

Bottom line, humans are OMNIVORES, not herbivores.

///OMnOMnOMnOMnOM
 
2012-05-19 09:32:24 AM
 
2012-05-19 09:32:26 AM
Men eat meat because they like to be healthy.
 
2012-05-19 09:32:36 AM
www.picgifs.com

Vegetarian.

/Eats meat
 
2012-05-19 09:34:47 AM
There is nothing unhealthy about red meat. So fark off vegetarians.
 
2012-05-19 09:37:30 AM
Being a vegetarian is the same as being atheist. Most of humanity just rejects that kind of stupidity.
 
2012-05-19 09:38:48 AM
chuggernaught: Being a vegetarian is the same as being atheist. Most of humanity just rejects that kind of stupidity.

And so it starts.
 
2012-05-19 09:38:48 AM
Actually, I find that vegetarianism is becoming more and more prevalent among men in the 20s and 30s.

As is the general wussification of the younger male generation.

Correlation or causation?
 
2012-05-19 09:41:51 AM
We didn't spend a million or so years evolving into the global apex predator to hunt plants. What was it the Sage of New Jersey said? "Broccoli tastes like broccoli, but meat tastes like murder, and that tastes pretty farking good!"
 
2012-05-19 09:44:53 AM
I do believe it's because nothing beats a bacon wrapped filet minon.
 
2012-05-19 09:45:58 AM
VictoryCabal: John Wayne?

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/hot


1.bp.blogspot.com
There's one in every car....
/You'll see....
 
2012-05-19 09:48:02 AM
chuggernaught: Being a vegetarian is the same as being atheist. Most of humanity just rejects that kind of stupidity.

Alright here we go
 
2012-05-19 09:49:55 AM
Please, meat eatters, while the article is very wrong, there is truth to it.

You probably eat steak, bacon, and all the other delicious animals because your dad ate them. And humans don't change much in terms of personality from childhood to adulthood. If you grew up liking your dad in any way then odds are you considered him the most manly person at one time and probably would do anything to be like him. Including believing meat eating is natural and delicious.

Which it is. But if your dad had been a vegetarian, ya'll probably would have been vegetarians.
 
2012-05-19 09:51:36 AM
PainInTheASP: It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.

Yeah, that attitude works great until about age 60 when you show up at the hospital 60 lbs over weight with searing chest pain; your blood pressure 176/120, and your cholesterol and triglycerides off the chart...and the doctors tell you that the next time you'll leave the hospital in a box.

/sad vegan for 9 months now...but doing much better
//pan-seared extra-firm tofu with stir-fry veggies is actually pretty tasty
///mostly over the meat and cheese cravings...mostly ;^(
 
2012-05-19 09:52:26 AM
Nogale: Actually, I find that vegetarianism is becoming more and more prevalent among men in the 20s and 30s.

As is the general wussification of the younger male generation.

Correlation or causation?


chuggernaught: Being a vegetarian is the same as being atheist. Most of humanity just rejects that kind of stupidity.

Its a fundamental philosophy choice. Not a health choice. Unless you think Evolution screwed up so badly that by making us omnivores with the eyes of a predator it has made us the dominant species in the solar system. Given the increased need for protein that Vegetarians have they can only exist in a stable agrarian society where you can plant a large number of crops to sustain your nutritional balance. That can mean importing crops from other biomes(?). Which means usually that Vegetarians can only live in warm areas where there are no predators you have to run from, no conflicts that destroy crops, and no natural disasters.

Since that place has never existed in enough square miles to support them all it is logical that vegetarians are depending on omnivores to provide the kind of society that can support the vegetarians through most of history until you get to modern governments where vegetarians can glom onto the civil service racket and control omnivores.

See its all a conspiracy.
 
2012-05-19 09:52:43 AM
As a vegetarian for twenty years now, I know that vegetarianism is not for everyone. Human beings are omnivorous by nature and some people just physically can't make the adjustment. As completely non-scientific personal observation, while some women can't make that adjustment, more men seem to have a harder time. Most male vegetarians I meet are pale and wan. I just want to buy them a cheeseburger. Maybe beef has some amino acid necessary for the production of testosterone or something.
 
2012-05-19 09:54:44 AM
I went vegetarian for about a year or so. After a BBQ where we pretty much ate for 14 hours. Got up the next day, and just couldn't face eating another bite of meat. Just didn't need it. The wife was vegetarian, so it wasn't that hard.

As a chef, I had to go back to eating meat. I couldn't NOT taste things. It's the job. And when I went back to eating meat, I enjoy it a lot more now. When the wife became pregnant she broke with her vegetarianism, and it was the right choice for her too.

I don't begrudge folks who go vegetarian. I think that folks sometimes go overboard on the beef wrapped in pork stuffed into more beef and pork, and I don't eat meat like I used to. I don't do the beer battered bacon wrapped burgers anymore, because it's just too damn much, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying a nice bloody rare steak, and I will the Hells out of some sushi.

Moderation is the key. Plain and simple. You can enjoy bacon and BBQ and not stuff yourself so full that you can't button your pants.
 
2012-05-19 09:56:01 AM
Vegetarianism is a dangerous cult.
 
2012-05-19 09:58:53 AM
StoneColdAtheist: PainInTheASP: It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.

Yeah, that attitude works great until about age 60 when you show up at the hospital 60 lbs over weight with searing chest pain; your blood pressure 176/120, and your cholesterol and triglycerides off the chart...and the doctors tell you that the next time you'll leave the hospital in a box.

/sad vegan for 9 months now...but doing much better
//pan-seared extra-firm tofu with stir-fry veggies is actually pretty tasty
///mostly over the meat and cheese cravings...mostly ;^(


dont you have a doctor? Mine detected rising levels of bp, c and tg years ago in my thirties, put me on meds and had me lay off the deep fried stuff and walk 25 minutes several times a week. Numbers are all normal again, and I eat meat almost every day.

I think we both know there were probably other issues contributing to your health problems, meat is just one that doctors like to pick on.
 
2012-05-19 10:02:23 AM
hubiestubert: I went vegetarian for about a year or so. After a BBQ where we pretty much ate for 14 hours. Got up the next day, and just couldn't face eating another bite of meat. Just didn't need it. The wife was vegetarian, so it wasn't that hard.

As a chef, I had to go back to eating meat. I couldn't NOT taste things. It's the job. And when I went back to eating meat, I enjoy it a lot more now. When the wife became pregnant she broke with her vegetarianism, and it was the right choice for her too.

I don't begrudge folks who go vegetarian. I think that folks sometimes go overboard on the beef wrapped in pork stuffed into more beef and pork, and I don't eat meat like I used to. I don't do the beer battered bacon wrapped burgers anymore, because it's just too damn much, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying a nice bloody rare steak, and I will the Hells out of some sushi.

Moderation is the key. Plain and simple. You can enjoy bacon and BBQ and not stuff yourself so full that you can't button your pants.


Yeah, what the hell happens in your thirties? When I was a teenager I could eat two whoppers for lunch.....when I was in college I could manage a whole pizza. I can hardly choke down seconds anymore. My wife makes these awesome burgers on homemade onion buns with bacon and inches of veggies on top. she makes them 'slider' size, about 1.5 inches in diameter but thick.... And I cant eat two of them. Its just too much food.

Maybe I have a tumor or something
 
2012-05-19 10:02:57 AM
PainInTheASP: It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-05-19 10:05:35 AM
KiplingKat872: As a vegetarian for twenty years now, I know that vegetarianism is not for everyone. Human beings are omnivorous by nature and some people just physically can't make the adjustment. As completely non-scientific personal observation, while some women can't make that adjustment, more men seem to have a harder time. Most male vegetarians I meet are pale and wan. I just want to buy them a cheeseburger. Maybe beef has some amino acid necessary for the production of testosterone or something.

This...despite the fact that I have to watch my iron content, I couldn't give up the stuff. I've cut down on the beef and added more fish and lean proteins to my diet, but there are some times that I just crave a good medium rare ribeye or a greasy burger.
 
2012-05-19 10:08:11 AM
StoneColdAtheist: PainInTheASP: It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.

Yeah, that attitude works great until about age 60 when you show up at the hospital 60 lbs over weight with searing chest pain; your blood pressure 176/120, and your cholesterol and triglycerides off the chart...and the doctors tell you that the next time you'll leave the hospital in a box.

/sad vegan for 9 months now...but doing much better
//pan-seared extra-firm tofu with stir-fry veggies is actually pretty tasty
///mostly over the meat and cheese cravings...mostly ;^(


Or you can eat responsibly regardless of what you stuff in your face hole. I eat meat but I don't gorge myself and sometimes to me there us nothing more delicious than a steamed cabbage with mustard. Because I have a balanced diet. Plus the 4 miles I run every other day, hopefully keep me healthy enough that I can continue to go without health insurance until I find a better job. Or die. Either way my problem is over.
 
2012-05-19 10:08:29 AM
No, it's because meat takes awesome.
 
2012-05-19 10:11:32 AM
El Dudereno: There is nothing unhealthy about red meat. So fark off vegetarians.

Why so hostile?

No one gives a shiat what you eat.
 
2012-05-19 10:14:34 AM
KiplingKat872: As a vegetarian for twenty years now, I know that vegetarianism is not for everyone. Human beings are omnivorous by nature and some people just physically can't make the adjustment. As completely non-scientific personal observation, while some women can't make that adjustment, more men seem to have a harder time. Most male vegetarians I meet are pale and wan. I just want to buy them a cheeseburger. Maybe beef has some amino acid necessary for the production of testosterone or something.

So let me get this straight. You've been a vegetarian for twenty years, and yet you have absolutely no concept of nutrition?

/The mind... it boggles...
 
2012-05-19 10:15:32 AM
Are these people actually so anxious to waste money that they overlook the glaringly obvious? Humans are omnivores. Meat = strong muscle tissue, Vegetarian = veal. The only way a vegetarian (human) can even survive is to take proper amounts of man made supplements to replace what they are missing from not eating meat. I wonder how much steak they could have fed starving kids in Africa with all the money they wasted on this study.
 
2012-05-19 10:19:37 AM
WhippingBoy: KiplingKat872: As a vegetarian for twenty years now, I know that vegetarianism is not for everyone. Human beings are omnivorous by nature and some people just physically can't make the adjustment. As completely non-scientific personal observation, while some women can't make that adjustment, more men seem to have a harder time. Most male vegetarians I meet are pale and wan. I just want to buy them a cheeseburger. Maybe beef has some amino acid necessary for the production of testosterone or something.

So let me get this straight. You've been a vegetarian for twenty years, and yet you have absolutely no concept of nutrition?

/The mind... it boggles...


I prefaced my statement with the disclaimer that it was completely non-science-based personal observation, but you don't understand english?

/The mind...it boggles...
 
2012-05-19 10:20:31 AM
Nogale: Actually, I find that vegetarianism is becoming more and more prevalent among men in the 20s and 30s.
As is the general wussification of the younger male generation.
Correlation or causation?


KiplingKat872: Most male vegetarians I meet are pale and wan. I just want to buy them a cheeseburger. Maybe beef has some amino acid necessary for the production of testosterone or something.

Correlation. I've not eaten meat for 18 years (since I was 14) and most people have a hard time figuring it out unless somebody tells them (which I pretty much never do). It is not at all uncommon for people that know me and hang out with me for years to have a hard time believing it when somebody else tells them.
Maybe it's because, despite the fact that I've always been a smaller guy, I'm often accused of being aggressive, ill-tempered, pro-violence, and teetering on the edge of flipping the frak out. I like to think I've gotten most of that under control in the last 5 years, but talk to me for more than 10 minutes and you'll find out that I'm a gun nut that fully endorses concealed carry so that the surplus criminal population can be rapidly reduced. Also, for a number of years I would show up with split lips, black eyes, limps, etc because of the martial arts I did and helped teach.

amino acids for testosterone? testosterone is a cholesterol derivative, so unless you mean that maybe certain amino acids may be needed for the enzymes that do the conversions, no. if you're still alive, your enzymes are probably in working order. I am of the belief that scrawnier guys may tend to identify with the veggie community and become part of it as they really don't have many other options.
And before you start thinking it's a cholesterol intake issue, I've actually had my testosterone levels checked because of that myself. My cholesterol is so low that it borders on dangerous (doc tell me to eat as much cheese, eggs, nuts, avocados as I can (not really a fan of eggs)) but my testosterone is juuust fine.
 
2012-05-19 10:21:21 AM
Terrydatroll: Are these people actually so anxious to waste money that they overlook the glaringly obvious? Humans are omnivores. Meat = strong muscle tissue, Vegetarian = veal. The only way a vegetarian (human) can even survive is to take proper amounts of man made supplements to replace what they are missing from not eating meat. I wonder how much steak they could have fed starving kids in Africa with all the money they wasted on this study.

Technically, as long as, you get enough protein your muscles will be fine. Thus, peanuts can serve as a replacement to meat.

But I don't like peanuts that much. What we should do is produce blocks of protein and vitamins and nutrients and eat nothing but those. Maybe give them a green color to make them more appealing to the eye
 
2012-05-19 10:25:40 AM
Hobo Jr.: Terrydatroll: Are these people actually so anxious to waste money that they overlook the glaringly obvious? Humans are omnivores. Meat = strong muscle tissue, Vegetarian = veal. The only way a vegetarian (human) can even survive is to take proper amounts of man made supplements to replace what they are missing from not eating meat. I wonder how much steak they could have fed starving kids in Africa with all the money they wasted on this study.

Technically, as long as, you get enough protein your muscles will be fine. Thus, peanuts can serve as a replacement to meat.

But I don't like peanuts that much. What we should do is produce blocks of protein and vitamins and nutrients and eat nothing but those. Maybe give them a green color to make them more appealing to the eye


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2012-05-19 10:26:22 AM
PainInTheASP: It has nothing to do with masculinity. Until you can make a slab of tofu taste exactly like a pan-seared ribeye with sauteed mushrooms and onions, you can just fark the hell off.


THIS.

If the almighty hadn't intended animals to be eaten, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
 
2012-05-19 10:27:02 AM
Terrydatroll: The only way a vegetarian (human) can even survive is to take proper amounts of man made supplements to replace what they are missing from not eating meat.

your name is appropriate.
I don't take supplements, even after 18 years of not eating meat. I'm fit, i'm getting my phd, and I'm all around awesome. I can point you to plenty of Indians around the medical community who have NEVER eaten meat and are pretty much perfect examples of healthy and intelligent.
So I guess that makes you an idiot.
 
2012-05-19 10:29:39 AM
Well, today for lunch at work, liver and onions is on the menu along with waffle fries, green beans almondine and potato soup. Heaven.

That said, at one day shy of 63, I've cut the amount of meat I eat down and I feel better. I hardly ever eat hamburgers any more and the servings of meat I take now are about half the size of what I used to take when I was in my thirties and forties and load up more on the veggies. I also have found I just don't care for salt much any more.

Still, I am not giving up meat, especially bacon. I still have managed to drop 20 pounds since Xmas.
 
2012-05-19 10:31:17 AM
jojostan:
There's one in every car....
/You'll see....


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