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2012-05-18 03:49:55 PM

Mikey1969: rickycal78: Is that what the cable company company charges per channel, or what the network charges cable companies? I'm sure cable companies do their markups as well.

The other thing to consider is how many of those stations would go broke. Mind you I don't really give a shiat if some halfassed cable network like EWTN, or HSN or the dingleberry network or shiat like that went bust because no one ordered their shiat. I'm more worried about the unemployment numbers that would result from the largish number of networks that would fail due to the ala carte billing method.

I just don't think that ESPN justifies being able to charge almost 20 times what the average network charges. Yea, the cable companies mark it up as well, but it all starts with what they pay to begin with. In some ways, it's not even a cost thing. I want to get the 30 or 40 paid programming 24/7 channels off my box(Even if I pay for them), just so I can browse my channels more quickly. Of course, if I mess up and get turned off, DirectTv will let me watch THOSE channels to my heart's content without paying up.


Do the cable companies refuse to pay it? Then, they are justified in asking whatever the heck they want. I'm a huge sports fan who hardly ever watches ESPN except for the game because I don't care for it, but I'd be pissed if the cable company decided to quit carrying it because they are the only station that has those games.
 
2012-05-18 03:51:22 PM
If I'm going to pay for TV, there had damn well better not be any ads.
 
2012-05-18 03:55:45 PM

hitlersbrain: Well, much as I detest the vast majority of commercials, that is how they make their money.


I would just like to know on average what is the per viewer cost of advertisement per show. I am curious if a show can generate revenue from viewership only.
 
2012-05-18 03:55:45 PM
I have a Tivo and use the 30 second skip button all the time. I freaking love that button.

I do, however, watch some ads. Mostly I'll go back and watch interesting movie trailers. Also Victoria Secret ads.
 
2012-05-18 03:56:12 PM

pute kisses like a man: cmunic8r99: Do the needful: pute kisses like a man: cmunic8r99: Pocket Ninja: You just need some creative script writers

So, what are the other 90% of TV shows going to do?

have pop up ads during the show and product placement in the show.

They already have that. Look around the edges of your screen. There's all kinds of bullshiat popping up already. We need horizontal hold knobs back. If you have to look that up, then get off my lawn.

don't send 'em over to my lawn

well, who the hell's lawn can I stand on?


no one's... go play in traffic. **grumble grumble**
 
2012-05-18 03:57:17 PM
They should be pushing more online content to get around the cable/satellite companies anyways. The way commercials have taken up more and more of the programming over the years, I have no sympathy.
 
2012-05-18 04:00:00 PM

Weaver95: adapt or die trying. want to make money off shows? get rid of the concept of prime time, and push shows via a 'watch anywhere/anytime' format. I'd pay for legal downloads and 'season passes' to show series that I want to see. just don't put stupid levels of DRM on it, allow me to watch it without commercials and whenever I want and i'm good with paying for said downloads.


and stop canceling shows which we watch ...
oh wait, your stupid model says that the show isnt profitable enough.
LOL
 
2012-05-18 04:01:34 PM

hotter than the ads: Did it skip over the irony tag?


I was thinking this.
FFS, could we get someone to switch the tag and punish the subby??
LOL
 
2012-05-18 04:08:51 PM

Mikey1969: You think they give roughly 18 TIMES the programming as the average channel? Wow...


LOL what?
 
2012-05-18 04:09:01 PM

scottydoesntknow: When did 'fast forward' become too hard?


Where did I sign a contract that states I must be subjected to commercials and that I cannot be allowed to use technology to quickly get around the annoyance of commercials?
 
2012-05-18 04:11:39 PM

Jobber8742: Do the cable companies refuse to pay it? Then, they are justified in asking whatever the heck they want. I'm a huge sports fan who hardly ever watches ESPN except for the game because I don't care for it, but I'd be pissed if the cable company decided to quit carrying it because they are the only station that has those games.


NO, because ESPN plays the leverage game, and the consumer ends up taking it in the shorts. If people would quit panicking any time a cable company DOES stand up to them, then they would change their tune. It's kind of like gas prices... Now that we've shown that we will compliantly pay up to $4/gal before really starting to complain, oil could sell for 20 cents a barrel, and we'd never see sub-$2 gas ever again.

Oh well, just annoys the living shiat out of me, and we keep letting it happen. I'll be over in the corner, bouncing my ball against the wall if you need me... ;-)
 
2012-05-18 04:12:17 PM
Regarding product placement inside the program. Anybody else remember "Degreeka?" Talk about annoying as hell product over-run.

We rarely if ever watch live tv. TiVo is my friend, I shall not watch commercials. But if a commercial grabs my attention I'll go back and watch it. Just make it interesting enough to catch my attention i the 3 seconds it's on the screen.
 
2012-05-18 04:12:34 PM
Any of you get Direct TV and then do your internet separately?

I'm moving shortly and while it would be easy to get Comcast for both through the cable, I really want Sunday Ticket. Looks like Direct TV is 2 year contracts, though. Thoughts?
 
2012-05-18 04:17:10 PM

Mikey1969: Oh well, just annoys the living shiat out of me, and we keep letting it happen.


Yes, it's annoying that hugely popular networks charge more for their channels than some network that shows reruns of 70's sitcoms around the clock. After all, that's 48 shows in a day compared to maybe 10 programs on ESPN. shiatty sitcom channel should be 4 times more expensive than ESPN.
 
2012-05-18 04:27:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: When did 'fast forward' become too hard?


I guess fat asses can't be bothered with that clicking motion........

This would mean something if dish didn't suck.
 
2012-05-18 04:27:05 PM

John the Magnificent: ArcadianRefugee: Meh. I had Dish Network, and the remote had a "skip forward 30 seconds" button. Since the average advertisement is about 30 seconds long, you just hit the button to skip each ad. Most channels do a two-minute break, so tap-tap-tap-tap and you are back to your show.

This feature is just making it even that much easier.

And when revenues fall to levels where it is impossible to produce anything at all it will be so much easier. You won't have to skip anything because there won't be anything to skip.


You have so little faith in human ingenuity. We'd get by.
 
2012-05-18 04:29:49 PM

TheNameIs_Horace: GangBangs in a Toyota Prius


Already been done. "Dirty Mike and the Boys" in the Will Ferrell movie "The Other Guys"

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2012-05-18 04:31:59 PM
Why can't they just have a couple channels that are nothing but commercials?
 
2012-05-18 04:35:34 PM
9beers: So, 5 bucks a month for a channel?

ABC
NBC
Fox
CBS
ESPN
ESPN 2
Fox Sports
NBC Sports
Fox News
CNN
MSNBC
BBC
TNT
USA
Syfy
History
Discovery

In my case, paying 5/month for the channels I actually watch would save me a ton.

* KSWB (fringe, bones, NCIS, CSI, House, america's got talent, grimm)

* KPBS (nova)

A&E (breaking bad)

Discovery (mythbusters, dirty jobs, etc)

BBC

* [KSWB and KPBS are broadcast locally, so if I didn't live in a damn valley I would get those channels for free via antenna].


$15-$25

// TV today is shiat

// The thing that would suck is that there are some channels that have one very good show, and nothing else worth watching. That' $5 per channel would become $5 per show and it would suck.

// In fact, I built that list from my Tivo season pass list, which is surprisingly small now. I used to have 65 season passes at one time. But now I only have 21. The shows that I watch have dwindled down to about a third of what they once were (EX, for the first time in a long time, there's no stargate or star trek series running).
 
2012-05-18 04:39:02 PM

9beers: Mikey1969: You think they give roughly 18 TIMES the programming as the average channel? Wow...

LOL what?


Average channel is 26 cents. ESPN is $4.69, .26*18=4.68.
 
2012-05-18 04:39:05 PM

MrBigglesworth: scottydoesntknow: When did 'fast forward' become too hard?

Where did I sign a contract that states I must be subjected to commercials and that I cannot be allowed to use technology to quickly get around the annoyance of commercials?


OHH NOES! You're "subjected" to the endless torment of commercials!

You already have that technology, it's called "Fast Forward".

Considering the Hopper doesn't let you travel forward in time to skip commercials on live/current TV, this really does jack shiat, and it could cause you to miss out on other information like promos for new seasons/series, lead-ins for news, etc.

When I'm watching DVR, I use commercials for bathroom breaks/getting a drink or snack. If I don't have to do either of those, I (and I know this may be hard for you) FAST FORWARD through the commercials.
 
2012-05-18 04:41:50 PM
I used to have Directv with TIVO. There was a way you could set a 30 second skip. I was happy as a little clam with that. I wish that there was something on this Charter OnDemand remote I could easter egg up...

Between the loud commercials, and the crappy shows, they ought to pay US to watch some of that drek....
 
2012-05-18 04:42:59 PM
scottydoesntknow:the Hopper doesn't let you travel forward in time to skip commercials on live/current TV

What is this "live TV" that you speak of?

like promos for new seasons/series, lead-ins for news, etc.

So, there's this thing called "the internet".
 
2012-05-18 04:44:37 PM

El Brujo: Any of you get Direct TV and then do your internet separately?

I'm moving shortly and while it would be easy to get Comcast for both through the cable, I really want Sunday Ticket. Looks like Direct TV is 2 year contracts, though. Thoughts?


I have DirecTv, and my internet through Comcast, and it works pertty well. Also, it is hooked into my internet so that I have the Video On Demand channels, which is pretty nice. I like DirecTv, but I'm about to build my own Media Center DVR, because we keep running into walls with 2 DVR's in the house, where someone is recording something or playing something back, and someone else can't watch programming from that DVR. Only other thing I don't like about DirecTv is that I have to 'lease' the equipment, PLUS pay a monthly fee. I'd love to get their new Media Center DVR, but it would cost me something like $400, plus they would still charge me $7/month for the box, AND I have to return it when I leave. I get a deal on Sunday Ticket every year which is nice. Last year, my total bill was something like $88/month including it, this year it was more, but by calling at the beginning of the season and asking for specials, I saved $20.month and got the mobile phone Sunday Ticket capability for free...

So in short, I like havning them split, I like the service, but I hate the scam they are running on their equipment.
 
2012-05-18 04:46:46 PM

El Brujo: Any of you get Direct TV and then do your internet separately?

I'm moving shortly and while it would be easy to get Comcast for both through the cable, I really want Sunday Ticket. Looks like Direct TV is 2 year contracts, though. Thoughts?


Sorry, forgot to mention that I think I only had the contract for the first part, and I'm month-to-month now.
 
2012-05-18 04:52:40 PM

9beers: Mikey1969: You should see my other post... ESPN is the one that charges $5 month. The average is 26 cents a month per subscriber.

ESPN is a hugely popular network compared to many other channels, of course they're going to demand more from the cable companies. Are you claiming that every channel should cost the same?

By the way ESPN charges $4.69 per subscriber and that includes multiple stations, ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN News, ESPN Classic.

For comparison, TNT charges $1.16 per subscriber for a single station.


I think if you went a la carte, ESPN wouldn't have the numbers they have now.
Also TNT could go commercial free and charge more.
 
2012-05-18 04:52:43 PM
I'm glad I gave up cable a few month ago.
 
2012-05-18 04:53:02 PM

El Brujo: Any of you get Direct TV and then do your internet separately?

I'm moving shortly and while it would be easy to get Comcast for both through the cable, I really want Sunday Ticket. Looks like Direct TV is 2 year contracts, though. Thoughts?


If you have a console, I'm willing to bet the NFL will be available on either Xbox or Playstation. MLB-TV is pretty cool and lets you watch every game in the nation, regardless of regional blackouts.

I'd be shocked if no one has a deal like that by the start of this NFL season.

Anytime I hear that someone has DirecTV it's because of Sunday Ticket. That was one of their few really smart moves.
 
2012-05-18 04:53:13 PM
Cancelled cable a year ago. I watch Breaking Bad/Walking Dead/Eureka through Amazon Video, Community and Big Bang Theory on NBC.com and CBS.com. The other shiat I used to watch regularly I don't miss a bit. Even at $2 an episode I've spent less in a year than what I used to pay for one month of cable. That plus Netflix has been all the tv I need.
 
2012-05-18 04:54:28 PM
Done in one
 
2012-05-18 04:56:45 PM
Oh, and if these are the same network executives that made me very upset by not giving Doctor Who a chance at a series in 1996 and that also cancelled Firefly, well then I guess I'll just send Christian Bale over to express my regrets over this shiny new tech.
 
2012-05-18 04:57:48 PM

Pocket Ninja: I don't farking care if Kim Kardashian drinks a Coke or wears Crocs or anything else. I just care about the plot and the drama and the ongoing character development. I'm looking for universal themes, a deeper understanding of humanity and the universe and my place within it. How does one of the characters drinking a soft drink affect that?


I hope you know how ironic it is to be looking for a "deeper understanding of humanity and the universe and my place within it" by watching the Kardashian's.
 
2012-05-18 04:58:16 PM

Mikey1969: rickycal78:

And for those of you wanting a'la carte TV, it's just not going to happen. In order to pay actors/actresses, network execs and everyone in between they'd have to charge a pretty hefty fee per channel.

Actually just ESPN. Get rid of THAT leech, and channels would be dirt cheap.

According to estimates obtained by Sam Schechner and Martin Peers of The Wall Street Journal, ESPN charges cable companies $4.69 per subscriber per month. That is the highest rate for any cable company and up 42 percent in the last five years. For comparison, the average cable channel charges just 26 cents per subscriber per month, up only 24 percent during the same period.

Fark ESPN

Consider that... I have about 50 channels, when you factor in the 8 flavors of HBO, and the other 8 or so movie channels. We're talking $13/month, while ESPN alone is almost 5 bucks on its own.


Back in 2001 the company I was working for was looking at $6 per month per customer AND needing to show espn2 to get espn. Espn2 was around $3.50.
 
2012-05-18 04:58:24 PM

Mikey1969: El Brujo: Any of you get Direct TV and then do your internet separately?

I'm moving shortly and while it would be easy to get Comcast for both through the cable, I really want Sunday Ticket. Looks like Direct TV is 2 year contracts, though. Thoughts?

Sorry, forgot to mention that I think I only had the contract for the first part, and I'm month-to-month now.


Thanks for the info!

As an out-of-market football fan it gets old having to go to the bar at 10am sundays to watch football. It sounds like it would be more expensive to have them split, but watching my team from my couch would be so nice.

I'll give them a call and see what they have going on for specials.
 
2012-05-18 05:00:02 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Sorry, I couldn't hear your outrage over the SOUND OF THESE COMMERCIALS!


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2012-05-18 05:01:22 PM

Mikey1969: Average channel is 26 cents. ESPN is $4.69, .26*18=4.68.


Yeah, I get where you're coming from. What I'm saying is that it makes no sense. Your logic is that all stations should charge the same or at least close to the same price, regardless of content or popularity. How much money does it cost to show reruns compared to hosting a live sporting event? How much is ESPN paying the professional sports leagues for the right of showing those events?
 
2012-05-18 05:02:55 PM

scottydoesntknow: El Brujo: Any of you get Direct TV and then do your internet separately?

I'm moving shortly and while it would be easy to get Comcast for both through the cable, I really want Sunday Ticket. Looks like Direct TV is 2 year contracts, though. Thoughts?

If you have a console, I'm willing to bet the NFL will be available on either Xbox or Playstation. MLB-TV is pretty cool and lets you watch every game in the nation, regardless of regional blackouts.

I'd be shocked if no one has a deal like that by the start of this NFL season.

Anytime I hear that someone has DirecTV it's because of Sunday Ticket. That was one of their few really smart moves.


I will be buying a PS3 to go along with my new place, so that would be awesome if NFL was available via PS3. And you're right, sunday ticket is the only reason I'm considering DTV. I don't really even like a ton of TV. A couple channels like A&E, discovery and ESPN for MNF is about it.

PS3 will be primarily for streaming netflix or (likely) Amazon movies. I do have one game though, Skyrim, which is pretty sweet.

/not much of a gamer
 
2012-05-18 05:03:50 PM
Commercials?!?!

I don't think I've watched more than a few dozen of those archaic things for about a decade now. There are no commercials on DVDs, BDs, Netflix streams, and other downloads.

And why would I want to turn a 40-minute show into a one-hour experience? Why would I want to turn a 90-minute movie into a two-hour experience? Especially when the advertisements are basically stealing time from me. I have no intention of purchasing something based on an advertisement; Pavlov's bell doesn't work on me because I'm not a dog, and your product sure as shiat ain't steak.

No... Instead, when I see ads (the few times I do) I find myself repulsed by the manufacturer and advertising firm, and it makes me actively avoid your product.

So here's the thing: If I don't want to watch ads, that's not me stealing from you; That's me politely declining your offer to show me some new products. The show is free, as I understand it, and with live TV I'm not obligated to watch commercials, right? I mean, if I want to get up and take a piss, make a sandwich, and grab my fiancee's ass while completely ignoring the ads, there's no law that says I've "stolen" from the networks, right? So if I'm already predisposed to doing all those things, and it's a given that I'm going to ignore your ads, then I see no problem with me taking back the time you'd have stolen from me by getting a version of the show without ads every few minutes.

I wasn't going to watch them anyway, and you were going to air the show without asking me to pay a viewing fee for it anyway, so I don't see the problem here,.

I'm not stealing your shows; You were stealing my time. I decided to stop letting you steal the bits during which I was ignoring you, anyway.

Here's another example: If I acquire an ad-supported magazine, and then proceed to have a servant or small child rip out all the pages and pages of advertisements before handing it over to me so I can read the articles, there's no law in the country that would see me prosecuted for "piracy" or "stealing." It's my choice whether or not I will use my time and my eyes to view your ads. You can't make me watch them, and there's no law that backs up the stance that ads are "part of" the product you're giving away.

I will skip ads. I will acquire shows with the ads pre-stripped for me. I will do anything I can to avoid being marketed to. You can't make me view advertisements. You can't make me listen to advertisements (this is why I listen to anything but live radio). If you insist they are present, I will simply ignore them and do something else... Or worse, tune out of your show and find something else to entertain me.

Take your stupid adverts and shove them. You get paid by the sponsors. I'm not required to validate their investment. I would much rather just pay you fifty cents per half hour of TV I watch, and skip the ads altogether. I think that's a fair rate. Fifty cents per half hour equals two bucks for a two-hour movie. It equals six bucks to watch Roots. It equals me not seeing the Geico lizard, the trading company baby, or the Capital One barbarians ever again, and I'm fine with that.
 
2012-05-18 05:13:07 PM

Pocket Ninja: Product placement doesn't work.t ...


I take it you never saw E.T.? Worked pretty good for Reese's Pieces.
 
2012-05-18 05:13:08 PM
I don't think I've watched more than a few dozen of those archaic things for about a decade now. There are no commercials on DVDs, BDs, Netflix streams, and other downloads.

I should clarify... They aren't there after you rip to digital and get rid of the menus and extra junk, once you've purchased the disc.
 
2012-05-18 05:13:41 PM

ZeroCorpse: I don't think I've watched more than a few dozen of those archaic things for about a decade now. There are no commercials on DVDs, BDs, Netflix streams, and other downloads.


I'm surprised you even own a TV.
 
2012-05-18 05:14:18 PM
Every year I watch the super bowl-sometimes for the game, but always for the commercials. With all the money that goes into advertising, why can't commercials just be made entertaining all the time. Some regular ads these days are, like the Dos Equis guy-always stop fast forwarding to watch that guy. But some are so annoying there's just no way to make them better, like Wilford Brimley and his diabetes ads. I remember waiting for a new Joe Isuzu ad or a new where's the beef! ad.
 
2012-05-18 05:16:09 PM
I would like to thank all you idiots who pay for cable, watch ads and buy DVDs. Your sacrifices let me have all entertainment products for free so I can maintain my lower middle class lifestyle without needing to work very hard.

So thanks.
 
2012-05-18 05:20:29 PM

Zizzowop: With all the money that goes into advertising, why can't commercials just be made entertaining all the time.


No matter how entertaining commercials are, they have a life span of about two viewings at most. Do you really expect advertisers to come up with new, fun to watch commercials on an daily basis in hope that people will watch?
 
2012-05-18 05:27:56 PM
I'll just leave this here...


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2012-05-18 05:28:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: When did 'fast forward' become too hard?


Just after auto-lathering soap dispensers became available.
 
2012-05-18 05:29:57 PM
9beers: Yeah, I get where you're coming from. What I'm saying is that it makes no sense. Your logic is that all stations should charge the same or at least close to the same price, regardless of content or popularity. How much money does it cost to show reruns compared to hosting a live sporting event? How much is ESPN paying the professional sports leagues for the right of showing those events?

I don't watch sports so the correct answer is, I don't give a shiat :D

I don't care how much it costs, I just don't want to pay for content I don't care about (even indirectly) be it ESPN or reality tv show 3000.

The fact that it's pricey content just makes it worse. I'm subsidizing crappy television meanwhile PBS always has to ask for donations to keep their channel running.

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2012-05-18 05:31:57 PM
SenorAmor: Just after auto-lathering soap dispensers became available.

Those things suck, I prefer my soap lather to be the consistency of shaving cream, whereas those things spit out whipped cream.
 
2012-05-18 05:33:24 PM
These TV peeps don't realize the fox got in the hen-house a long time ago when VCR's came with a 30-second skip feature.

I love my DVR, but I'm not too lazy to press my own forward button. Occasionally, though...I'll zip past a commercial I don't want to miss. Like...Victoria's Secret commercials and of course...ShamWow.

Product placement won't be the "new thing" to do either. The Truman Show anyone?
 
2012-05-18 05:50:24 PM

John the Magnificent: ArcadianRefugee:

What needs to happen is for advertisers to produce commercials that people enjoy watching (and sell stuff).
Problem solved


This gear reviewer sells more knives, guns, and outdoor crap than any ad campaign
 
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