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2012-05-18 11:08:34 AM
8 votes:
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2012-05-18 11:00:28 AM
8 votes:
THC? Marijuana? OH NOES. CLEARLY HE WAS GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR AS HE LEAPED FULL SPEED AT ZIMMERMAN.

Pot is a depressant, all you retards submitting threads on this yesterday. It dulls your reaction speed and slows you down. Jesus christ, the kid was stoned and went out for Skittles and an Arizona's. Substitute any generic junk food in for either of those and you're describing 70% of college students in any given state, in any given country.
2012-05-18 10:56:26 AM
7 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


No, the evidence shows that Martin had traces of THC in his system. That's not the same as being high.

It also doesn't say anything about the fact that Zimmerman started the entire thing, or does Martin somehow not qualify for the stand your ground laws? You know, the guy who did actually have somebody stalk and attack him?
2012-05-18 10:40:12 AM
7 votes:
So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.
2012-05-18 12:45:58 PM
6 votes:
The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.
2012-05-18 01:26:36 PM
4 votes:

wingedkat: The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.


Actually, you can. From the Florida Stand Your Ground law:

776.041Use of force by aggressor. -The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1)Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or(b)In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Whether I agree with his decision or not, Zimmerman got out of the car - which he had every right in the world to do. Period. End of story. As the captain of the local neighborhood watch, many may point out that he had a duty and responsibility to do so.

There are really only two ways this went down from there.

1. Zimmerman got out of his car and walked up to Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood, whereupon Martin started beating him "MMA style" according to witnesses. Medical reports show that Martin had bruises on his hands consistent with that of a person giving a beatdown, and Zimmerman had injuries on his head and face consistent with a person receiving a beatdown.

or

2. Zimmerman got out of his car, confronted the kid and called him a bunch of derogatory names and accused him of being a thief and whatever else, at which time Martin started beating him "MMA style" according to witnesses. Medical reports show that Martin had bruises on his hands consistent with that of a person giving a beatdown, and Zimmerman had injuries on his head and face consistent with a person receiving a beatdown.

What any of us with guns common sense can figure out is that Zimmerman certainly wasn't drawn at that point, or the kid never would have gone after him. He wouldn't have been beating him "MMA style" as witnesses have said, they would have been struggling over a gun. It was during the beatdown that Zimmerman pulled his weapon and shot the kid point blank.

In either one of those situations, the law clearly states above that Zimmerman had the right to use his weapon in self defense - regardless as to whether or not he was the initial aggressor as option 2 above would describe.

/I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
2012-05-18 01:23:22 PM
4 votes:
Martin told his girlfriend someone was following him.

The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow him

Nowhere is there evidence of Martin or claims from Zimmerman saying Martin was doing something that would suggest Zimmerman needed to override that command from the dispatch.
2012-05-18 01:20:06 PM
4 votes:
No matter what happens; George Zimmerman made a series of poor decisions and the nation is now worse for it.
2012-05-18 01:19:11 PM
4 votes:
And yet, none of this determines who started the physical confrontation nor does it explain how Zimmerman was able to shoot someone (who was on top of him) in the chest without getting a speck of blood on his clothes.

Perhaps I missed it, but wasn't their already evidence that Martin was shot in the chest at close range? So, Zimmerman was able to pull out his gun, get it between him and Martin, pull the trigger, then avoid the falling body all while getting his head beat in?

Of course, none of this even begins to touch on the incredibly stupidity of this law and how it has already ruined two lives (among countless others that haven't gotten national attention).

I think it is important to discuss how Martin was a thug and there are countless instances of blacks killing whites, though.
2012-05-18 01:18:52 PM
4 votes:

serpent_sky: kingoomieiii: And once again this amount of blood looks ridiculous to me. It's a head wound, for christ's sake, allegedly from repeatedly slamming the head against the sidewalk. Almost no blood. Doesn't even look like there's bruising. Again, HEAD WOUND.

And why is there no blood on his clothes from a supposedly broken nose and head wound? You'd really think there would be some blood on his clothing after all of this. (Maybe they changed his clothes? You'd think there would also be spatter from shooting someone at close range as well)


In fact the autopsy said the shot was at intermediate range... not point blank, like as if someone was on top of you and you shot them in self defense... Means he was far enough away he could of left, instead he shot him dead for getting the better of him.

And frankly, I trust none of the photos or "medical records" AKA docs his parents paid to fudge their assesment.

He didn't look battered and beaten when he was taken into custody on that video the night of and in court he sure doesn't look like someone recovering from HEAD WOUNDS!

Why doesn't SYG apply to Martin? Zimmerman was the aggressor, shouldn't matter who "won" or had the upper hand. The SYG laws protect Martin for doing just this.
2012-05-18 01:18:11 PM
4 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


No, evidence shows that Zimmerman had a couple of small cuts on the back of his head, that Martin had THC in his system, but not that he was "high". THC can stay in the system after symptoms wear off. Also, evidence doesn't show anything about where anybody was at.

All this shows is that there was a confrontation, which is only natural when someone you don't know starts chasing you for no reason in the dark. Trayvon Martin Stood His Ground and got killed by some dude who thought he was Charles Bronson.
2012-05-18 01:17:55 PM
4 votes:

jayg22: Since when is following someone attacking them?


Are you aware that Florida has some sort of law that says you're allowed to 'stand your ground' in the face of a perceived threat and that you have no obligation to flee an aggressor?

It's an interesting law. It could be applied in the event that, say, an armed individual begins stalking you on the street. Especially if you attempt to flee anyway and the individual then makes an attempt to chase you, creating the appearance they are attempting to catch you.

Unfortunately, it looks like it didn't work out this time around as the victim was killed in his attempt to defend himself. But I think overall it's probably a good law. At least it gave Mr. Martin a fighting chance.
2012-05-18 01:08:53 PM
4 votes:

kingoomieiii: [content.clearchannel.com image 600x544]

And once again this amount of blood looks ridiculous to me. It's a head wound, for christ's sake, allegedly from repeatedly slamming the head against the sidewalk. Almost no blood. Doesn't even look like there's bruising. Again, HEAD WOUND.


I bleed more than that when I cut myself shaving (my shiny bald head).

But The Trayvon had the THC in his system? Well that seals it. The kid had the Reefer Madness. Sure, all bets are off once they're taking marijuana.
2012-05-18 11:56:19 AM
4 votes:
I guess the paramedics who responded at the scene are in on the conspiracy, too, since they reported injuries to Zimmerman's face and head.
2012-05-18 11:18:42 AM
4 votes:
1) Didn't the reports yesterday say these photos were from the following day, not the same night?

2) Why has it taken months for them to come out, particularly with all of the complaints about the video at the police station not showing any blood? If they had still photos, why did we have to go through that week of "look, the video shows nothing! Oh, we've enhanced the video, and maybe there's something... But this video-enhancement guy disagrees and suggests it's just an artifact..."? Why didn't the police just say "here's a full color close up photo"? Were they trying to start riots?
2012-05-18 03:01:40 PM
3 votes:
I have very strong opinions one or the other about this case and feel that my opinions should hold more weight than anyone actually reviewing the case. In fact, there should not be a trial. Zimmerman's fate should be based completely on my incomplete knowledge. I feel so strongly about this I am going to post hastily-crafted comments on the internet. You can tell I am angry and in a hurry to post by how poor my grammar is. In fact, I've posted more comments about this case than I've read. I don't even read my own comments!
2012-05-18 01:26:33 PM
3 votes:

IronOcelot: I see this ending in no other way than Zimmerman walking away free.
Personally, I think this was a series of bad decisions made by both parties that culminated with the most tragic outcome for one of the people involved.


Walking home from the store is not a bad decision.
2012-05-18 01:24:53 PM
3 votes:

kingoomieiii: [content.clearchannel.com image 600x544]

And once again this amount of blood looks ridiculous to me. It's a head wound, for christ's sake, allegedly from repeatedly slamming the head against the sidewalk. Almost no blood. Doesn't even look like there's bruising. Again, HEAD WOUND.


LOL I've picked mosquito bite scabs bigger than the "HEAD WOUNDS" in that picture. If dude was really getting his head bashed into the sidewalk he'd have a lot bigger marks than that believe me. Been skateboarding for 12 years and seen a lot of people hit their head on the concrete. A TON of blood is produced.
2012-05-18 01:24:43 PM
3 votes:
Sounds like Treyvon Martin was standing his ground and lost.

Or should everyone surrender immediately whenever a stranger jumps out of a truck and starts chasing them?
2012-05-18 01:22:40 PM
3 votes:
So, the kid went down fighting for his life and didn't die on his knees begging.

I can't help but wonder if that's what Zimmerman and his telegram was looking for, the power trip of holding someone at gunpoint. Anyway, if he wants to compare injuries for "points," the one he gave the victim wins hands down.
2012-05-18 01:22:06 PM
3 votes:
So this will be the new line now that he's being found to be innocent: "shrugs, i never really cared about that"

Because when the media was parroting talking points straight from the Martin PR/legal team is was fine to work up self righteous indignation, polarize racial tensions in low income areas, and publicly judge and scrutinize an innocent man before any evidence was released.

"Meh, I don't really care". Sure, let's just revisit the initial threads and see how anyone who didn't blindly agree to he media-frenzy was a nazi as we hyperventilated our fantasies of black panthers this "standing their ground" against evil whitey George Zimmerman.

I respect those that can admit that they were wrong. That takes balls. Those that have constantly shifted goal posts and will now try to bury this story as slimier than a used car salesman.
2012-05-18 01:21:50 PM
3 votes:
Libtards a month ago: "This is a vicious hate crime, and ironclad proof that racism dominates every aspect of American life today! Time to march in the streets! Booga booga!"

Libtards now: "Why is anyone still talking about this? Don't you have a life?"

Now that is progress, people. Hilarious, hilarious progress.
2012-05-18 01:20:48 PM
3 votes:

FriarReb98: wingedkat: The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.

It's this kind of detail that tends to get ignored in these threads. But hey, we gotta argue about something, don't we?


the actual details that get ignored in these threads are the actual evidence that shows that Zimmerman did nothing wrong or illegal, that Martin hid until Zimmerman was off the phone, that Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman when Martin was in no danger of anything save possibly being detained by police when they arrived.

you know, those details.
2012-05-18 01:08:54 PM
3 votes:
step one: initiate altercation with teenage boy
step two: shoot him when he fights back
step three: claim self defence

am I missing anything?
2012-05-18 11:44:23 AM
3 votes:
You dipshiat losers will never get your beloved race riots. There will be nothing good to watch on TV. Nothing exciting will happen to enliven your dead end existence. You still have to go to work. Your wife still won't touch you. Your daughter will still dresses like a whore.

You're just waiting to die and this dream of a race riot is for something exciting to happen before your family is sitting around you in a hospital, waiting for you to finally die so they can get a bite to eat.
2012-05-18 11:43:21 AM
3 votes:

nekom: Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.

Traces of THC in his system are irrelevant to the case. The fact that Martin was on top of him is likely more than enough to convince a jury that he was in fear for his life at the moment he fired the shot.

Yes, he's going to walk, and per the law he probably should. It's still a very unfortunate situation that Zimmerman started.


I have to agree. Zimmerman started it but once Martin had him on the ground and was slamming him, as the witness said, I think the jury is going to have enough to let him go on murder. He should be found guilty of something though.
2012-05-18 11:32:17 AM
3 votes:

Theaetetus: 2) Why has it taken months for them to come out, particularly with all of the complaints about the video at the police station not showing any blood? If they had still photos, why did we have to go through that week of "look, the video shows nothing! Oh, we've enhanced the video, and maybe there's something... But this video-enhancement guy disagrees and suggests it's just an artifact..."? Why didn't the police just say "here's a full color close up photo"? Were they trying to start riots?


Seriously, it does change the story a bit if the guy really was beaten down, though the fact that he got out of his car and started the altercation does strike me as a significant factor in this case. The marijuana? Who cares about that, honestly?

No matter what happens in this case, justice will not be served because Zimmerman was already tried and convicted by the media and the whole country, and Trayvon Martin is still an unarmed teenager who is dead due to the overzealous neighborhood watch guy who couldn't just be content with staying in his car and allowing the real police to do their jobs. And I hate to say it, but if Zimmerman goes free, I fully expect riots. And probably not just in Florida, the way this got -- and continues to get -- covered.
2012-05-18 11:26:57 AM
3 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


Traces of THC in his system are irrelevant to the case. The fact that Martin was on top of him is likely more than enough to convince a jury that he was in fear for his life at the moment he fired the shot.

Yes, he's going to walk, and per the law he probably should. It's still a very unfortunate situation that Zimmerman started.
2012-05-18 11:05:16 AM
3 votes:
The police report says that Martin's father told police that the voice heard calling for help on a 911 tape before the gunshot was not his son. That's significant.
2012-05-18 10:46:36 AM
3 votes:
I'm sure all of this will be a great comfort to Martin's parents.
2012-05-18 02:55:21 PM
2 votes:

hdhale:

Remember too that Zimmerman was a member of the local neighborhood watch, it's his job as a volunteer to get out of his vehicle and follow up on suspicious behavior.


Actually the local watch said he was not a member and that they had a strict no guns policy and were only to report specific info to the cops.
2012-05-18 01:35:55 PM
2 votes:

wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.


Right there, folks.

And Zimmerman's injuries don't change the fact that he initiated the altercation. Under no stretch of the imagination is he free of any culpability here. This event would have not happened if he had listened to the advice the cops gave him, he had already performed his civic duty. Apprehension of a suspect is not the job of private citizens. That's why we have cops, people who are specifically trained and equipped and given the authority to deal with such things.

From what I can see it seems to me that Zimmerman is still minimally guilty of manslaughter and possibly wrongful death. His choices lead to the death of a kid. No amount of pictures of scrapes and cuts changes that. If he had not made that choice, Martin would be alive. Zimmerman is responsible for that.

Even if you think that kid got wut were commin' to him, you have to acknowledge the kind of precedent this would set as far as law and vigilantes is concerned. I don't want to live in a country were there is legal precedence saying its okay for nutjobs with guns and twisted desires to use them being able to patrol the streets provoking fights and yelling "HE'S COMIN' RIGHT AT US!" before opening fire with a gleeful smile and getting away with it.
2012-05-18 01:32:12 PM
2 votes:

MatrixOutsider: You are not obligated to follow an instruction from a 911 dispatcher.


And neighborhood watch is instructed not to carry concealed weapons or to follow people.

There's three things Zimmerman could've done differently if he was a reckless vigilante.
2012-05-18 01:25:01 PM
2 votes:

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Martin was shot from "no farther away than 18 inches." That is not intermediate range.


If someone is on top of you thrashing away, I really can't fathom a way to shoot them in the chest that doesn't involve pressing the gun against them.
2012-05-18 01:22:54 PM
2 votes:
Even if this guy walks, he's gonna have to move to the other side of the world. His life is totally farked regardless.
2012-05-18 01:22:14 PM
2 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


I think you nailed it, except for the "was in fact high" part. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. THC is measurable in trace amounts days and even weeks after smoking marijuana.

I gotta say, though, anyone who stalks and then corners me the way Zimmerman stalked Martin is going to get their head pounded into the pavement as well.
2012-05-18 01:15:29 PM
2 votes:

Theaetetus:

2) Why has it taken months for them to come out, particularly with all of the complaints about the video at the police station not showing any blood?


How dare they not release every single bit of information immediately, so it can be argued in the proper setting -- Nancy Grace and Fark discussions! The nerve!
2012-05-18 01:13:06 PM
2 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


Pretty much...people will find any reason to riot, and in this case they'll just be ignoring the evidence.

question for those fark lawyers out there...does Zimmerman have a case against NBC for editing that audio? defamation, etc?
2012-05-18 01:12:58 PM
2 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.

No, the evidence shows that Martin had traces of THC in his system. That's not the same as being high.

It also doesn't say anything about the fact that Zimmerman started the entire thing, or does Martin somehow not qualify for the stand your ground laws? You know, the guy who did actually have somebody stalk and attack him? follow him.


Who attacked who is in question. Stalking is not the correct verb.

2 idiots meet
a black man is shot dead
a nation riots.


/haiku for hommies
2012-05-18 10:41:47 AM
2 votes:
Also wasn't Martin supposed to be talking on his cellphone with his girlfriend? It doesn't seem to list a cellphone as one of his possessions.
2012-05-19 11:22:23 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Sword and Shield: A week short of graduation from med school, 12 weeks of forensic pathology under my belt. His nose almost certainly isn't broken, or it's the cleanest break I've ever seen and has been set before the picture was taken. As for the blood, I can maybe buy that it was wiped, but if he got hit into the pavement, those bleed like hell and quick. How is there not at least spatter on his clothing?

Glad you can diagnose broken noses from pictures on the internet Mr. Almost a doctor.


Heh. CSB

Just today, through various relations, I heard that a woman(in-law's girlfriend's mother) got in a motorcycle crash, faceplanted into rocks and landed face down in water. Fractured eye socket, 2 crushed vertebrae, several stitches in the head(and who knows what else at this point...)

The first doctor she saw did only a catscan to check for concussion or whatever, saw nothing, and because of low blood pressure didn't give her any pain meds, and then of course tried to send her home, no xray, no keeping for observation. Just go home, and have someone keep an eye on you. You know, make it a movie family night.

Of course the daughter was livid, got a new doctor(who did the xrays and such), and found that the original one was supposedly on duty as a full fledged doctor for the first time, ever.

Must have went to the same school as Sword and Shield, who's motto is apparently, "Meh, looks fine to me."

/CSB
//someone's career is over before it ever started
///if there's any justice
2012-05-19 09:46:04 PM
1 votes:

lisarenee3505: This thread was fun for a day, but man, the level of DErP! coming from the Martin supporters / Zimmerman haters is so heavy that I'm just worn out. You can only state facts and known evidence so many times before it starts to feel like you're trying to run in deep, loose sand.

/the sand here represents the willful ignorance and absolutely irrefutable stupidity of the pro-TM/anti-GZ camp


They're lashing out, really. Whitey didn't assassinate Obama to give them the excuse they wanted to have the race war they've been looking for, and now they're grasping at straws. And they won't let go, even after it's turned into a libertarian vs. authoritarian battle, with the "Justice for Trayvon" side clearly favoring a totalitarian police state. "Zimmerman could have avoided this if he'd listened to authority," "Zimmerman was trying to be a have-a-go hero like Richard 'Talibubba' Jewel," "We need to restrict guns because everyone should have the right to beat the shiat out of anyone else without having to worry about getting shot."

Then they wonder how socialist utopias based on these principles inevitably turn into totalitarian dictatorships. It's like they honestly believe "freedom for me but not for thee" is the core principle of liberty.
2012-05-19 12:53:26 PM
1 votes:

s2s2s2: We know Trayvon confronted George(if we believe his girlfriend). I


You know, I just realized that. I've always been of the opinion that we can't put to much stock into what the girlfriend says, but lets go ahead and assume she's being accurate about what she heard.

She says in her interview that Trayvon is heard saying "why are you following me". According to her, Trayvon spoke the first words, not Zimmerman. Had Zimmerman located and started the confrontation, surely she would have heard Zimmerman speak first. It's obvious from her testimony that Martin approached and confronted Zimmerman.
2012-05-19 11:30:45 AM
1 votes:

CliChe Guevara: except that of all the things in his pockets, the cell phone and can were not among them. which sort of goes along with the whole 'on the phone' thing. which zimmerman apologists apparently really don't like to hear.


Wait, the items had been put down? I mean that is the most obvious, and simple explanation. We know Trayvon hid. We know Trayvon confronted George(if we believe his girlfriend). I guess since he knew he was going to confront George, I bet he was still smart enough to set some shiat down, first.

Do you like to hear that?
2012-05-19 11:08:06 AM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


Weren't you a serious poster at one point? Has something terrible happened to you that turned you into an attention starved douchebag? Maybe you should get counseling.

I'm serious. Nobody with your talent should be wasting their time trolling the internet for attention. Get help.
2012-05-19 06:05:23 AM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: PC LOAD LETTER: If Zimmerman stayed in his car, this would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

If Zimmerman stayed in his bed, this would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. He should never have gotten out of bed that morning.


What you "think" really matters to me, O fully discredited one.
2012-05-18 10:41:17 PM
1 votes:
I knew the kid was garbage the second I saw their parents. They are a bunch of ghetto trash that seem only interested in profiting from their son's death, tacky, stupid, shameless horrible people.

But regardless of what happens in the trial you know it's not going to end well in the Black community, thank God I live in a place where they aren't even 1% of the population.
2012-05-18 10:02:05 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


Right, because what Martin should have done was produce his papers when they were demanded by the brownshirt Zimmerman. Perhaps Martin should also have sewn a yellow star to his hoodie to indicate he was a servile negro with no intentions to challenge authority.

/That always works out well
//You do know zimmerman isn't actually jewish right?
2012-05-18 09:00:24 PM
1 votes:
I know that whenever I'm committed to a violent confrontation, I dial 911 so the dispatcher can listen in.
2012-05-18 08:54:29 PM
1 votes:

lisarenee3505: Has anyone else noticed that as more and more evidence comes to light that confirms Zimmerman's story and paints a more accurate picture of Martin's character, Al Sharpton & Jessee Jackson seem to have shut the fark up? What ya wanna bet they're going to distance themselves from this whole thing? They see the writing on the wall and they're both shrewd enough to avoid being on the wrong side of history here. They're like free agents who quit a team that is showing a losing trend.


It wouldn't be the first time at least for Sharpton. Tawana Brawley ring any bells?

Sorry to be late for this thread but I couldn't even make it through the one from yesterday.

I'm kind of back to not caring anymore. After being called a "Jesus Freak" and told to stop watching Fox News for not agreeing that Zimmerman was obviously a racist who should be convicted of murder one (even though no mention of religion or Fox had been made) I'm convinced some people are too supid to discuss things with.
2012-05-18 08:53:03 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: Under these circumstances, Martin could have been Jeff Dahmer and he'd still be guilty of murder. Why? Because the only thing he knew is that Martin was black teenager.


...who was suspiciously checking out a house, in the rain, in a neighborhood that had a number of robberies and home invasions.
2012-05-18 07:36:49 PM
1 votes:

bugontherug: I don't think you can disagree with any of the following:

1) George Zimmerman was committed to a confrontation.



From what I have seen Zimm was committed to keeping an eye on Martin so that he could guide police to his location, and only exited his vehicle when Martin appeared to evasively move through the complex. Had Zimm truly wanted to confront Martin, why bother to call the police?

Convince me otherwise.

bugontherug: 2) George Zimmerman knew a confrontation could turn deadly.



Any confrontation could turn deadly, with or without firearms.


bugontherug: 3) George Zimmerman did not care whether or not Trayvon Martin lived or died.



LOL! Justify that statement.


bugontherug: Only # 3 is remotely controversial, but is nonetheless proved by indisputable facts 1 & 2. If he cared whether or not Trayvon Martin lived or died, he would not have been so committed to confronting him with a loaded firearm.



Your "indisputable facts 1 & 2" are not "facts" at all, but wild-eyed speculation of what you think Zimmerman must have been thinking, and reflect on your own bias.

Your whole argument seems to rest on the premise that Zimmerman hates blacks and was intent on "sticking" it to one, killing him if possible.

Convince me otherwise.
2012-05-18 07:32:35 PM
1 votes:

JRoo: So you wouldn't do anything if you were walking home with snacks and someone got out of a truck and told you to stay still and that they were going to call the cops?

Can I follow you home with my gun?



Can I throw you on the ground and beat you in the head?

bulldg4life: If Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car to follow the person, two people would be alive...nobody would've been arrested...and nobody would know where in the blue bloody f*ck Sanford, Florida is


If Trayvon hadn't thought that his feelings of offense were worth felony assault, he'd be alive today.

It's amazing how not a single thing in support of Martin defending himself has come out since this story broke nationally and yet each time the Zimmerman accusers won't admit they got the whole thing wrong and instead try and argue a new narrative to accuse Zimmerman of murder.

Come on and just admit that your preconceived notions of guilt were all based upon racial assumptions and they were wrong.
2012-05-18 07:21:31 PM
1 votes:

Deucednuisance: OK, I'll bite: what would that "good reason" be? Is she in any sort of personal jeopardy? Does she have a financial interest? What? You seem to be pretty sure of your assertion, so man up and assert it.


Really? She's on the phone with her boyfriend who was being followed by someone. She hears him say "You got a problem" to which the other party says "No". She then hears him say "You do now" and then punches the stranger. Her boyfriend is later killed in the fight that you heard him start.

After being coached by the Martins family lawyer, are you going to tell the police that you heard your dead boyfriend start a fight with this man or are you going to tell them that he was being followed by a stranger and when Martin asked why he was being followed, the stranger shoved him?
2012-05-18 05:42:57 PM
1 votes:

Moderator: Knock it off. Don't make Moderator have to stop this internet.


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Dude, you are not funny. This has got to be one of the laziest attempts to troll a thread I've ever seen. Welcome to the Ignore list.
2012-05-18 04:55:21 PM
1 votes:
Has anyone else noticed that as more and more evidence comes to light that confirms Zimmerman's story and paints a more accurate picture of Martin's character, Al Sharpton & Jessee Jackson seem to have shut the fark up? What ya wanna bet they're going to distance themselves from this whole thing? They see the writing on the wall and they're both shrewd enough to avoid being on the wrong side of history here. They're like free agents who quit a team that is showing a losing trend.
2012-05-18 03:32:43 PM
1 votes:
DROxINxTHExWIND knows exactly what happened, because, as we all know, he was right there. That is why he can speak with such indignant authority. Right there on the scene. As it happened. Actually, I think there were a bunch of Farkers there with him, although they must have been standing at a different location, because their eye-witness accounts seem to differ.

Hmmm. Well, at least it will all be cleared up when all of you are called to the witness stand.

Your collective firearms, forensics, psychological, and legal expertise will all come in handy too.

//God, is it so much to ask for people to let things play out in, you know, a court of law? With actual witnesses? And actual experts?
//Yes. It is. Silly me. Continue, oh prophets.
2012-05-18 03:09:53 PM
1 votes:

master_dman: Bontesla: master_dman: Oh for farks sake.

Why can't people read?

Zimmerman got out of his car after losing sight of Martin behind some buildings.
He walked around to the back of the buildings and didn't see him so he walked back to his vehicle.

As he was approaching said vehicle, Martin came running up behind him and attacked him.

All you farktards that say Zimmerman chased him down and grabbed him are completely blinded by your racists views.

Grow up. Your on the wrong side here.

You have no actual facts to establish this.

As of right now - there are no objective witnesses to how the fight was initiated.
The fight did happen a good distance away from Zimmerman's vehicle (it happened on grass and behind a building).

Untrue. This is the sworn testimony in the police reports. The fight, and the shooting happened a mere 20 yards from Zimmermans vehicle.

Zimmerman was just stepping out of his car when the dispatcher said he shouldn't follow him. Zimmerman says OK, and hangs up.

Less than two minutes later, the 911 call with Zimmerman screaming for help was placed.

Two minutes seems like just enough time to walk around to the backside of a large block of apartment buildings, look around, and return to the vehicle.

The facts WILL come out. Zimmerman WILL go free. There WILL be riots.

This whole farking thing has EVERYTHING to do with gun rights and political grandstanding, and NOTHING to do with race and violence.

George is being thrown under the bus in the name of the media trying to stir up racial tension to sell papers and ad time.. and in the name of liberal farktards who can't stand the fact that the average joe citizen has the right to defend themselves in Florida and much of the U.S.


I just wrote a long post that was axed by Fark's crappy mobile app...but yeah if hasn't seen the geographical overlay of the crime scene yet, they really have no reason posting their hypothetical assumptions.

In context of the conversation, Zimmerman was told quite clearly by the dispatch to keep an on the suspect and report if he does anything else. When he told the dispatcher that the suspect was running, the dispatch asked over and over "which way he is running", at this point Zimmerman was prompted to exit his vehicle and run around the houses, about 20 meters, to get a view of Martin running, assuming he had already ran down the alley and was gone. An honest assumption if you saw a young athletic male bolt off running.

When the dispatch hears Zimmerman huffing and realizes what he's doing, he responds "we don't need you to do that", nothing about returning to his truck or him breaking the law. Clearly the dispatch obviously sees that he could be in danger if he keeps following a suspect. So zimmerman, thinking the guy ran off, stops in his current known location. We don't have any evidence he ever preceeding beyond this point as the altercation is known to have taken place behind the first house of the complex.

So for 2 minutes Zimmerman stays on the line with Martin know where to be seen. He hangs up the phone, and somehow Zimmerman winds up, exactly at his last known position, on the ground with Martin throwing punches "MMA styles" stradling over him.

So it is pretty obvious to anyone that Martin must have been hiding, or ran back to Zimmerman's location in order to confront him. Coupled with the fact that Zimmerman sustained many injuries, with none to his hands, while Martin had no injuries except to his knuckles, we can come to a pretty good guess as to who confronted who and who attacked who.

Point blank: if zimmerman continued to follow martin, the altercation would have occurred father down, at the other end of the complex. Not at the exact position zimmerman hung up the phone with the dispatcher.

Martin approached, confronted, and attacked zimmerman, as he screamed out for help for over a minute. When he attempted to reach out and grab his gun, Zimmerman wrestled it away and shot his attacker. Excuse me if don't sound overly sympathetic with Martin.
2012-05-18 02:43:02 PM
1 votes:

vegasj: Martin sympathizers sure like to skew the facts to make it look like this white guy just walked up and blasted the poor, innocent black kid.


I think the real story is that at least three black people, none of whom knew one another personally, publicly and repeatedly lied about evidence they handled in an attempt to get a non-black lynched for killing a black man in a clear-cut case of self defense.

/the SPLC used to sue the shiat out of the KKK for this sort of thing
//"The only possible answer to collective incitement is collective punishment."
2012-05-18 02:39:43 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: master_dman: Oh for farks sake.

Why can't people read?

Zimmerman got out of his car after losing sight of Martin behind some buildings.
He walked around to the back of the buildings and didn't see him so he walked back to his vehicle.

As he was approaching said vehicle, Martin came running up behind him and attacked him.

All you farktards that say Zimmerman chased him down and grabbed him are completely blinded by your racists views.

Grow up. Your on the wrong side here.

You have no actual facts to establish this.

As of right now - there are no objective witnesses to how the fight was initiated.
The fight did happen a good distance away from Zimmerman's vehicle (it happened on grass and behind a building).


Untrue. This is the sworn testimony in the police reports. The fight, and the shooting happened a mere 20 yards from Zimmermans vehicle.

Zimmerman was just stepping out of his car when the dispatcher said he shouldn't follow him. Zimmerman says OK, and hangs up.

Less than two minutes later, the 911 call with Zimmerman screaming for help was placed.

Two minutes seems like just enough time to walk around to the backside of a large block of apartment buildings, look around, and return to the vehicle.

The facts WILL come out. Zimmerman WILL go free. There WILL be riots.

This whole farking thing has EVERYTHING to do with gun rights and political grandstanding, and NOTHING to do with race and violence.

George is being thrown under the bus in the name of the media trying to stir up racial tension to sell papers and ad time.. and in the name of liberal farktards who can't stand the fact that the average joe citizen has the right to defend themselves in Florida and much of the U.S.
2012-05-18 02:36:26 PM
1 votes:
roughly a thousand murders in florida every year since 1970.

nobody gave a damn before

so why should I start caring now?
2012-05-18 02:33:17 PM
1 votes:

jbuist: NeedlesslyCanadian:
Pot is a depressant, all you retards submitting threads on this yesterday. It dulls your reaction speed and slows you down.

It also tends to make you paranoid and prone to doing stupid shiat. Like attacking a guy for reporting to the police that you look suspicious and might be on drugs.


Unavailable for comment.
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2012-05-18 02:27:10 PM
1 votes:

Propain_az: When was he told to "sit in his car and wait" ? Who told him that? Did the person who told him that have any authority?


My understanding is that, when Zman called 911, the operator said not to pursue and to wait for the Police. "Authority?" Maybe not. Good sense? Hell, yeah. Kid's dead, man. He's dead because he wore a hoodie and went to the store to smoke a doob, buy some watermelon ice-tea and some skittles to munch on and some Chuck Norris wannabe plays James Bond, gets in over his head, and winds up having to gun the kid down to, allegedly, save his skin. "Authority" my ass. Are you really going to argue that "a 911 operator has no authority to tell me anything therefore I can shoot this kid if'fn I want"? Is that the society you want to live in? I'm not saying 911 ops are the brightest tools in the shed, Lord knows we get enough articles about their idiocy, but stay in your car, don't go confronting someone you don't know is good advice, especially if you're packing, because, if something goes wrong, that gun's coming out and someone is going to die. The kid was just walking down the street. Even if he was planning on some burglary or vandalism, because there was no reason to think he had anything violent in mind, so what? You saw him, you have a description, cops are on the way, so sit tight, man, he ain't going nowhere. And even if he gets away, so what? It's property, man. It's just money. But make one mistake, which Zman did, and someone's not going home and lives will never be the same.

People with guns should do everything, and I mean everything, they can to avoid any confrontation at any time. This case shows exactly why.
2012-05-18 02:23:58 PM
1 votes:
The story in a nutshell:

OMG!!! a white guy shot an unarmed black kid!!

(media releases photos of a 12 yr old Trayvon & a lightened 5 or so year old photo of George in county oranges)

Wait, George is Hispanic???!?!

(media coins the phrase "white Hispanic" to continue their 'against YT' race baiting b.s.)

Well, Trayvon was a good kid, he never attacked anyone!!! George walked up and shot him!! The police told him not to follow!!!

(school records & Facebook posts come out showing he might have attacked a bus driver....) (911 call released, edited by news media to make George look racist) (a 911 dispatcher has no authority... the POLICE did not tell George not to follow, a dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow)

SO WHAT?!?! That doesn't mean he attacked George! George had a gun, what did this kid do... walk up and start a fight with a gun carrying WHITE GUY!!

(photos released of George's injuries from the attack. Head was split open, blood was visible, nose was scratched)

OMG! Look at those scratches!! I've hit my head harder and wasn't even bothered about it!!!

(medical records and autopsy report out. George did also have a broken nose, Trayvon did have hand injuries showing he was the aggressor)

SO?!?! The police told him not to follow!!

/repeat, rinse, repeat...

Martin sympathizers sure like to skew the facts to make it look like this white guy just walked up and blasted the poor, innocent black kid.
2012-05-18 02:21:42 PM
1 votes:
Who the hell cares about "facts" and "evidence"? I made up my mind instantly about whether Zimmerman was an innocent victim who was defending himself or a cold-blooded murderer based entirely on my personal political views about minorities and guns.
2012-05-18 02:08:41 PM
1 votes:
If I killed someone in self defense i'd make sure to be well injured by the time the cops got there. It's the smart thing to do.
2012-05-18 02:03:52 PM
1 votes:
How can you initiate a confrontation with someone, make them feel their life is in danger enough to defend themselves, and then yourself claim self defense?

When you are the aggressor, you can't claim self defense...

Like others are saying, this is a bad precedent to set. So if I don't like someone, I just corner them in a dark alley, threaten I'm going to kill them, and as soon as they raise their fist, I draw and kill them?

Am I missing something here?
2012-05-18 02:02:32 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: The boy's father should be able to tell his own son's voice better than some experts-for-hire.


Funny how software works. They can find distinctions in every different voice that Mel Blanc did and identify him as the same person, but I could guarantee you that when he was alive, people who had known him all his life wouldn't recognize a new one of his voices.
2012-05-18 02:01:16 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: frepnog: sorry that the available evidence all supports Zimmerman. but that is in fact what is happening, every singe time new evidence is released.

And yet, there is still no evidence indicating who started the physical confrontation.


And there likely won't be any at this point. I'm fairly certain I've seen this movie before...

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2012-05-18 01:59:18 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: If Zimmerman hadn't shot Martin, Martin would be facing assault charges, possibly felony assault.


If Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car to follow the person, two people would be alive...nobody would've been arrested...and nobody would know where in the blue bloody f*ck Sanford, Florida is
2012-05-18 01:59:03 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: frepnog: sorry that the available evidence all supports Zimmerman. but that is in fact what is happening, every singe time new evidence is released.

And yet, there is still no evidence indicating who started the physical confrontation.


except for the wounds on Treyvon's hands indicating that he attacked someone and the someone he attacked having been beat up and had injuries consistent with being beaten up, no.

Do people really believe that a man waiting on police to show up is going to attack a suspicious person, a suspicious person that is actively HIDING from you and then reappears and confronts you?

I mean i realize that there are lots of stupid people, but seriously?

Zim should never have gotten out of his car. Martin should never have been milling about where he probably shouldn't have been. Martin could have identified himself or simply went home. Zim could have simply drove to the store and never bothered to call in a suspicious person report.

None of that really matters. Zim was doing nothing illegal or anything that would have caused Martin to fear anything except possible detainment by police. No evidence that he attacked Martin. No evidence that he was trying to or did initially confront Martin. Martin is dead thru his own stupid actions, unfortunately enough for him.

Sucks but that does seem to be the case.
2012-05-18 01:54:50 PM
1 votes:

Cats_Lie: wingedkat: The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.

This


Oh for farks sake. Do people even read anymore?
2012-05-18 01:53:17 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: frepnog: sorry that the available evidence all supports Zimmerman. but that is in fact what is happening, every singe time new evidence is released.

And yet, there is still no evidence indicating who started the physical confrontation.


Martin had injuries consistent with an attacker, Zimmerman had injuries consistent with a victim. How do you call that "no evidence?"
2012-05-18 01:49:05 PM
1 votes:

mc6809e: burning_bridge: wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.

Right there, folks.

And Zimmerman's injuries don't change the fact that he initiated the altercation.

Martin's girlfriend confirms that it was Martin that first yelled at Zimmerman. Martin had plenty of time to continue to the place where he was staying. Instead he yells at Zimmerman and approaches him. The injuries to Zimmerman are consistent with the idea that he was attacked by Martin.



If someone with a gun got out of a truck and started to follow me, I'd be yelling a lot too. To try and attract attention.
2012-05-18 01:47:26 PM
1 votes:

2 grams: That's not the point either. following some one is not illegal.

(wrong? maybe but it's not illegal).

The point is who attacked who. That's when the law was broken. Not a second sooner, despite who may be an idoit, or what was the "right thing to do".

It's not about if you agree with the law, or if you think is a just law. That's for another day.



I see it as Zimmerman following him when told not to (perfectly legal, not obliged to follow that request), then X happens. Zimmerman gets beat and shoots Martin.


X= is some inciting incident that we don't know. It could've been Trayvon attacked Zimmerman or vise versa or Zimmerman strong-arms Trayvon, Trayvon fights back and Zimmerman shoots him. It could be Aliens using mind control telling Trayvon to punch Zimmerman and Zimmerman shoots at him. We just do not know and unless there is footage or a witness who saw the events we will never know. Everyone is hung up on X and rightfully so.

BUT, look at the order of events and what we do know is that as of now, there isn't evidence for Zimmerman needing to continue to pursue Trayvon. If there was, Zimmerman would have said what that reasons was. He probably will be asked this if he takes the stand, My point is that I'm more inclined to say Zimmerman is the aggressor because he hasn't come up with a reason for following Trayvon. Moreover, Trayvon acknowledges Zimmerman was following him.
2012-05-18 01:46:27 PM
1 votes:
To all of you Zim-haters out there..


Umm.. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

No marks on him, eh?
did I mention BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!??
/ha
//haha

Crow for lunch anyone????
2012-05-18 01:44:12 PM
1 votes:

dosboot: If Obama had a son, he'd have a gold grill and THC in his bloodstream.
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And 1950s greasers wore leather jackets in the middle of July and had Benzedrine in their bloodstream.

Different generations have different fashion statements and lifestyles. Film at 11.
2012-05-18 01:44:07 PM
1 votes:

kvinesknows: Nabb1: I guess the paramedics who responded at the scene are in on the conspiracy, too, since they reported injuries to Zimmerman's face and head.

funny how usually paramedics would clean a wound and dress it. Nice bandages on his head and interesting how there is no stuck on old dried up blood.


It does not matter if he got beat up. The law says you cannot pick a fight, get your ass kicked then shoot and call it self-defense.
2012-05-18 01:42:25 PM
1 votes:

alleitup: PC LOAD LETTER: Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.

1) The injuries show he was in a fight
2) none of them were remotely life-threatening
3) No one said Martin was high, they say he has trace amounts of THC in his system. Read the reports and it's specifically stated that it was an amount indicating that pot was NOT smoked within a 2 hour period prior, and could have been from the day before even.
4) Pot isn't PCP, so not sure why evidence of THC would show that he was violent.
5) The gunshot was from "intermediate range" as in "not close range".
6) Those blackies are gonna riots! Lock your doors! Hide your daughters!

intermediate range was stated at between 1-18 inches. That is pretty close in my book.


Agreed. Now to figure out why the fark this idiot got out of his car in the first place and shot an unarmed kid to death. I don't like criminals. I don't like vigilantes either. The farker is an armed violent wild-card with bad judgement who needs to be locked up for making the wrong call.
2012-05-18 01:38:51 PM
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: PC LOAD LETTER: FilmBELOH20: Whether I agree with his decision or not, Zimmerman got out of the car - which he had every right in the world to do. Period. End of story. As the captain of the local neighborhood watch, many may point out that he had a duty and responsibility to do so.

This has already been covered here by folks who are on neighborhood watches. This is false. As in the opposite is true. Neighborhood watch folks are NOT TO ENGAGE SUBJECTS. Period. That means specifically remaining in your vehicle.

That may be policy, but it's certainly not law. Unless he was trespassing on private property, Zimmerman had every right in the world to be where he was at the time.


As did Martin.
2012-05-18 01:38:43 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: I guess the paramedics who responded at the scene are in on the conspiracy, too, since they reported injuries to Zimmerman's face and head.


funny how usually paramedics would clean a wound and dress it. Nice bandages on his head and interesting how there is no stuck on old dried up blood.
2012-05-18 01:38:40 PM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: A third way was Martin became aware he was being followed. He started home but decided to conceal himself. Zimmerman walked past him and Martin jumped him. Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman, Zimmerman screamed for help, then pulled his gun and shot the kid in self-defense. There's plenty of other scenarios but I figure that is probably pretty close to what happened.

They both made stupid mistakes.


We could make up scenarios all day, but we'll never know what really happened.

Maybe Zimmerman pulled his gun, figuring he'd use it to hold Trayvon until the police arrived to take him away. Trayvon, afraid that Zimmerman was going to gun him down anyway, screams for help and decides to go down fighting. Zimmerman reacts out of reflex or self-defense and shoots Trayvon.
2012-05-18 01:38:15 PM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: A third way was Martin became aware he was being followed. He started home but decided to conceal himself. Zimmerman walked past him and Martin jumped him. Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman, Zimmerman screamed for help, then pulled his gun and shot the kid in self-defense. There's plenty of other scenarios but I figure that is probably pretty close to what happened.


I agree, but that's not self-defense. That's still shooting an unarmed kid dead. From "intermediate range". So he had time to get up and take out his gun, undo the safety, and shoot him in the heart. If you have a gun, you don't shoot to kill unless the other person has a farking weapon. This is what happens when you decide to go Yosemite Sam. There was nothing here that warranted deadly force. Stupid man provokes a fight, gets his ass handed to him, decides to win by killing him with a shot to the chest from some distance away. Nice.
2012-05-18 01:37:59 PM
1 votes:

KingPsyz: Why doesn't SYG apply to Martin? Zimmerman was the aggressor, shouldn't matter who "won" or had the upper hand. The SYG laws protect Martin for doing just this.


So the lesson would be: Don't bring a fist to a gun fight. Or more properly, don't start beating on someone who might be armed.

I find it particularly hard to believe, to the point of it being nearly impossible, that 5'9" George Zimmerman would actually start a physical altercation with 6'3" Trayvon Martin, someone he thought was up to no good. After all, how would he know if *MARTIN* was armed or not?
2012-05-18 01:35:50 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: frepnog: that Martin hid until Zimmerman was off the phone, that Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman

Another person that is able to determine the true facts of the case while admonishing others for filling in their own ideas.


i have determined nothing that the available evidence has not provided. Zim stalked no one. Zim attacked no one. What happened was exaclty what I said to begin with - that Zim saw a suspicious person in an area known for break ins (corraborated by a BLACK woman that lives in the same area) and reported that person to the police, tried to keep the person in view, lost sight when the person hid, and was attacked when he finished his phone call by a gangsta wanna be that wrongly assumed that there would be no weapons involved other than the concrete he was using to beat Zim against.

as I said, the easiest answer is often the correct one. The easiest answer is that ZImmerman shot an assailant in self defense.
2012-05-18 01:34:24 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.

1) The injuries show he was in a fight
2) none of them were remotely life-threatening
3) No one said Martin was high, they say he has trace amounts of THC in his system. Read the reports and it's specifically stated that it was an amount indicating that pot was NOT smoked within a 2 hour period prior, and could have been from the day before even.
4) Pot isn't PCP, so not sure why evidence of THC would show that he was violent.
5) The gunshot was from "intermediate range" as in "not close range".
6) Those blackies are gonna riots! Lock your doors! Hide your daughters!


The gun shot was no more than 18 inches away. That is close range to me.
2012-05-18 01:33:56 PM
1 votes:

MatrixOutsider: Guidette Frankentits: Martin told his girlfriend someone was following him.

The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow him

Nowhere is there evidence of Martin or claims from Zimmerman saying Martin was doing something that would suggest Zimmerman needed to override that command from the dispatch.

You are not obligated to follow an instruction from a 911 dispatcher.


And this is what happens when you don't.
2012-05-18 01:33:04 PM
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: wingedkat: The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.

Actually, you can. From the Florida Stand Your Ground law:

776.041Use of force by aggressor. -The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1)Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or(b)In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Whether I agree with his decision or not, Zimmerman got out of the car - which he had every right in the world to do. Period. End of story. As the captain of the local neighborhood watch, many may point out that he had a duty and responsibility to do so.

There are really only two ways this went down from there.

1. Zimmerman got out of his car and walked up to Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood, whereupon Martin started beating him "MMA style" according to witnesses. Medical reports show that Martin had bruises on his hands consistent with th ...


A third way was Martin became aware he was being followed. He started home but decided to conceal himself. Zimmerman walked past him and Martin jumped him. Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman, Zimmerman screamed for help, then pulled his gun and shot the kid in self-defense. There's plenty of other scenarios but I figure that is probably pretty close to what happened.

They both made stupid mistakes.
2012-05-18 01:32:15 PM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: Yes, he's going to walk, and per the law he probably should. It's still a very unfortunate situation that Zimmerman started.

Seriously?


Yes, Zimmerman started this. He had no reason to pursue Martin, he did not identify himself, and he ignored the dispatcher who told him not to pursue Martin. Instead., Martin sees some random person scream at him when he's not doing anything wrong, and then proceed to chase him down. Of course Martin is eventually going to try and get this mystery person off of his back.

Unfortunately, he may just walk, since even though he started the whole thing, he had maneuvered himself into a corner where his life was threatened. I still don't think you should be able to claim self-defense when it's your own damn fault that the situation escalated, but this law is written way too broadly.
2012-05-18 01:31:58 PM
1 votes:

MatrixOutsider: Guidette Frankentits: Martin told his girlfriend someone was following him.

The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow him

Nowhere is there evidence of Martin or claims from Zimmerman saying Martin was doing something that would suggest Zimmerman needed to override that command from the dispatch.

You are not obligated to follow an instruction from a 911 dispatcher.


That's not the point. The point is Zimmerman continued on and there isn't any evidence of Trayvon doing something that would require Zimmerman to continue to pursue him.
2012-05-18 01:31:51 PM
1 votes:
Black people, listen to me -- in the event George walks, remember -- HE'S HISPANIC. Whitey has no dog in this fight.
2012-05-18 01:31:28 PM
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: Whether I agree with his decision or not, Zimmerman got out of the car - which he had every right in the world to do. Period. End of story. As the captain of the local neighborhood watch, many may point out that he had a duty and responsibility to do so.


This has already been covered here by folks who are on neighborhood watches. This is false. As in the opposite is true. Neighborhood watch folks are NOT TO ENGAGE SUBJECTS. Period. That means specifically remaining in your vehicle.
2012-05-18 01:30:59 PM
1 votes:
Zimmerman looks like he will be acquitted. He'll be killed by someone who thinks this is really unfair, and THEN the riots will start.

Strangely, I think on the balance of the evidence before me, and the wording of the law, I think Zimmerman will be freed by the SYG law, the law will be re-written, and the person who kills him will just be a murderer.

All pretty sick.

Simply changing the law so you can only stand your ground when you're on, you know, YOUR ground... *shakes head*
2012-05-18 01:30:06 PM
1 votes:
TheShavingofOccam123 2012-05-18 01:17:45 PM

Antimatter: Splinshints: Did they determine that Zimmerman DIDN'T follow the kid down the street, DIDN'T get out of his car and DIDN'T ignore a request from a 911 operator to leave it to the police?

No.

Then Zimmerman is still the aggressor based on the evidence and unless there's still something else we don't know about, he deserves prison time.

I'd sure hate to live in a country where we set the standard that you can get off on murder as long as you make a concerted effort to goad somebody into attacking you first.

/ or would I....

Bingo. If he walks, you have just handed a major new defense to the mob or gang bangers. Corner someone, make them defend themselves, and then kill them and claim stand your ground.

That's an inherent problem with the law, not with a particular application of it. The law stinks. And things are only going to get worse for defendants and victims unless Florida rewrites the law.



this is the law everywhere. in reasonable fear of serious bodily harm/injury and no place to retreat to and you can use whatever you have on hand to kill that person. it doesn't matter who instigated it. how many times do you have to be told this? How many times? IT IS THE LAW EVERYWHERE.
2012-05-18 01:29:21 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: So evidence shows that Zimmerman indeed had Martin on top of him, and he was bashing his head on the ground (already corroborated by the only witness) and that Martin was in fact high.


Zimmerman is gonna walk, and riots all over.


1) The injuries show he was in a fight
2) none of them were remotely life-threatening
3) No one said Martin was high, they say he has trace amounts of THC in his system. Read the reports and it's specifically stated that it was an amount indicating that pot was NOT smoked within a 2 hour period prior, and could have been from the day before even.
4) Pot isn't PCP, so not sure why evidence of THC would show that he was violent.
5) The gunshot was from "intermediate range" as in "not close range".
6) Those blackies are gonna riots! Lock your doors! Hide your daughters!
2012-05-18 01:28:21 PM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: IronOcelot: I see this ending in no other way than Zimmerman walking away free.
Personally, I think this was a series of bad decisions made by both parties that culminated with the most tragic outcome for one of the people involved.

Walking home from the store is not a bad decision.


It is when there's violent people out along the way.
2012-05-18 01:28:07 PM
1 votes:
Aimmerman:

776.012Use of force in defense of person.-A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;


Trayvon Martin:

3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

This just sucks. Conceivably, the law excuses to the actions of both men.

The worst thing about it is there was a shooting in that area a week before. In many communities a shooting meant a few weeks of increased police presence, cop cars parked in the area, beat cops patrolling. Of course, time was someone could shoot a black kid and nothing was done about it.
2012-05-18 01:26:34 PM
1 votes:

jbuist: NeedlesslyCanadian:
Pot is a depressant, all you retards submitting threads on this yesterday. It dulls your reaction speed and slows you down.

It also tends to make you paranoid and prone to doing stupid shiat. Like attacking a guy for reporting to the police that you look suspicious and might be on drugs.


0/10
2012-05-18 01:24:20 PM
1 votes:

Pantubo: Libtards a month ago


How would you know? You just created this sockpuppet two weeks ago.
2012-05-18 01:24:12 PM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: Seriously?


Just because someone starts shiat does not give the other person the right to attack. Example: Bar brawls. Just because you call someone's girlfriend a slut doesn't give him the right to break your nose in the eyes of the law and it is assault.
2012-05-18 01:21:52 PM
1 votes:

frepnog: that Martin hid until Zimmerman was off the phone, that Martin attacked and beat Zimmerman


Another person that is able to determine the true facts of the case while admonishing others for filling in their own ideas.
2012-05-18 01:21:32 PM
1 votes:
MSNBC lied 100% about this case.

Sharpton should be in jail for the false anger he has caused.
2012-05-18 01:19:31 PM
1 votes:

dosboot: If Obama had a son, he'd have a gold grill and THC in his bloodstream.


OH MY GOD HE'S BLACK!

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

/ dosboot, ignore, ignore, dosboot
2012-05-18 01:17:25 PM
1 votes:

Hyppy: wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back


who did Zimmerman attack?

are you really saying, you can't confront someone and you can't claim self defense when they start beating the crap out of you?
2012-05-18 01:16:36 PM
1 votes:

wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.


That's the problem. With the terrible language of the stand your ground law you can. You just have to argue your case like this:

"Yeah, I chased him because I was planning to rough him up a bit. But then he started fighting back, and I mean really fighting back. He made it clear that not only was he going to win the fight, but he would kill me in the process. So I was left with no other choice than to kill him. It was self defense."
2012-05-18 01:16:00 PM
1 votes:
As a white man living in a predominantly non-white neighborhood I'm getting a kick out of these replies..


In all seriousness, I am genuinely concerned and may even stay in a hotel on the verdict date. I live in South Phoenix.
2012-05-18 01:15:23 PM
1 votes:

Splinshints: Did they determine that Zimmerman DIDN'T follow the kid down the street, DIDN'T get out of his car and DIDN'T ignore a request from a 911 operator to leave it to the police?

No.

Then Zimmerman is still the aggressor based on the evidence and unless there's still something else we don't know about, he deserves prison time.

I'd sure hate to live in a country where we set the standard that you can get off on murder as long as you make a concerted effort to goad somebody into attacking you first.

/ or would I....


Bingo. If he walks, you have just handed a major new defense to the mob or gang bangers. Corner someone, make them defend themselves, and then kill them and claim stand your ground.
2012-05-18 01:14:02 PM
1 votes:

fawlty: from the pic, It was watermelon flavored ice-tea, btw

/just saying


Moonfisher: I must express my shock that none of the resident fark racists have mentioned that the can of tea in the picture is watermelon flavored.


Full of win.


Next we just need a "Waste The Rainbow" joke.
2012-05-18 01:13:23 PM
1 votes:
Since when is following someone attacking them?

/My friend needs to know because he follows this chick with a hot ass all the time just to look at it.
2012-05-18 01:12:52 PM
1 votes:

wingedkat: The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.


Following someone is not the same as attacking someone. Following someone is not unlawful. If you get attacked while doing something lawful, you got the right to defend yourself against the attacker.
2012-05-18 01:12:43 PM
1 votes:
Did they determine that Zimmerman DIDN'T follow the kid down the street, DIDN'T get out of his car and DIDN'T ignore a request from a 911 operator to leave it to the police?

No.

Then Zimmerman is still the aggressor based on the evidence and unless there's still something else we don't know about, he deserves prison time.

I'd sure hate to live in a country where we set the standard that you can get off on murder as long as you make a concerted effort to goad somebody into attacking you first.

/ or would I....
2012-05-18 01:12:10 PM
1 votes:

wingedkat: The most relevant evidence in this whole case is that the kid was running away when Zimmerman got out of the car and chased him.

If a strange guy were following me, then after I started running away got out of his car and started chasing me, I'd take the first chance I got to sit on top of him and bash his skull against the ground. How can Zimmerman act in self-defense if chased the kid when he ran away?

You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.


In one of these threads there was a guy claiming that you, in fact, can attack someone, then shoot them in self-defense if they fight back. It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore, but that guy got on the list. These threads have been a great way to spot trolls and miserable people that don't deserve to be taken seriously.
2012-05-18 01:11:44 PM
1 votes:

wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.



wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.


wingedkat: You can't attack someone then claim "self defense" when they fight back.

2012-05-18 01:11:33 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This is turning into a f*cking circus. Someone get Nancy Grace on the story, that'll be the perfect frosting

/how about we not try this case in the media?


Are you nucking futs? Do you really want to release the Nancy Grace Kraken?
2012-05-18 01:09:19 PM
1 votes:
I'm glad this hit the main page so we can have a reasonable discussion about what REALLY happened.

I think this will be the time that we can all agree that George Zimmerman, Neighborhood Hero, was vigilantly defending the community when out of the bushes he was savagely attacked by a vicious THUG animal which gave him no choice but to exercise the freedom granted to him by the Second Amendment to the Constitution and dispatch that THUG with the righteous rights granted to him lo these many years ago by the Founding Fathers who knew what to do with 3/5s of a THUG.

For Great Justice!
2012-05-18 11:45:20 AM
1 votes:

serpent_sky: kingoomieiii: And once again this amount of blood looks ridiculous to me. It's a head wound, for christ's sake, allegedly from repeatedly slamming the head against the sidewalk. Almost no blood. Doesn't even look like there's bruising. Again, HEAD WOUND.

And why is there no blood on his clothes from a supposedly broken nose and head wound? You'd really think there would be some blood on his clothing after all of this. (Maybe they changed his clothes? You'd think there would also be spatter from shooting someone at close range as well)


Yeah... That's why it made more sense if those photos were supposedly the next day - he could've showered and changed clothing first.

... but then, you wonder about the broken nose which shows no bruising... If it's a full day later, he's going to have some bruising there. So that one kinda makes more sense if it's the same day.

... or, the simple explanation that answers both the lack of blood on his clothing and the lack of bruising and why the photos were originally described as being the next day: he did it to himself, the next day, to support his story, and the cops are helping with the cover up.
2012-05-18 11:37:20 AM
1 votes:
content.clearchannel.com

And once again this amount of blood looks ridiculous to me. It's a head wound, for christ's sake, allegedly from repeatedly slamming the head against the sidewalk. Almost no blood. Doesn't even look like there's bruising. Again, HEAD WOUND.
2012-05-18 11:35:27 AM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: Seriously?


Unless my understanding of Florida law is wrong here SYG isn't a factor here, if he can convince a jury that a reasonable person felt that their life is in danger at the time he fired, that's all it takes even if the situation is one of his own creation. Following Martin around was stupid, possibly racist, almost certainly some sort of wawnna-be cop power trip thing, BUT not against the law.

I'm talking letter of the law here. I don't think Zimmerman's actions were appropriate and they cost a young man hist life, but I don't think he's broken any laws. There's certainly no case for 2nd degree murder.
2012-05-18 11:32:08 AM
1 votes:

nekom: Traces of THC in his system are irrelevant to the case. The fact that Martin was on top of him is likely more than enough to convince a jury that he was in fear for his life at the moment he fired the shot.

Yes, he's going to walk, and per the law he probably should. It's still a very unfortunate situation that Zimmerman started.


Seriously?
2012-05-18 11:16:19 AM
1 votes:

jbuist: NeedlesslyCanadian:
Pot is a depressant, all you retards submitting threads on this yesterday. It dulls your reaction speed and slows you down.

It also tends to make you paranoid and prone to doing stupid shiat.

Yes.


Like attacking a guy for reporting to the police that you look suspicious and might be on drugs.

No, not so much. Troubling, that whole 'slows you down' and 'makes you lazy' thing, but reality isn't quite so convenient as OMGHEWASONDRUGS.

2012-05-18 11:15:23 AM
1 votes:
farm7.staticflickr.com
2012-05-18 11:13:20 AM
1 votes:

NeedlesslyCanadian:
Pot is a depressant, all you retards submitting threads on this yesterday. It dulls your reaction speed and slows you down.


It also tends to make you paranoid and prone to doing stupid shiat. Like attacking a guy for reporting to the police that you look suspicious and might be on drugs.
2012-05-18 10:45:19 AM
1 votes:
This is turning into a f*cking circus. Someone get Nancy Grace on the story, that'll be the perfect frosting

/how about we not try this case in the media?
 
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