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(SFGate)   Minute Maid labels beverage 'Pomegranate Blueberry' despite only having 0.3% pomegranate juice and 0.2% blueberry juice. Judge: Drink up   (sfgate.com) divider line 167
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2012-05-18 09:00:21 AM
Big business wins again?
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2012-05-18 09:04:57 AM
I've seen those. And they say 100% Juice! on the front.

/which they are -- it's just mostly apple or pear juice with a splash of the expensive stuff to give it some flavor
 
2012-05-18 09:58:28 AM
100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...
 
2012-05-18 10:31:43 AM

Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...



I find the POM juice (which is 100%) a little more tart than cranberry. I like the versions mixed with blueberry or mango.
 
2012-05-18 10:32:43 AM

Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...


So is 100% cranberry juice, and that shiat goes for $10 a pint.
 
2012-05-18 10:45:05 AM

Walker: Big business wins again?
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Labels, they're not for everyone.
 
2012-05-18 11:15:05 AM
That interferes with a corporations right to free speech as people to lie to you about the contents of their product. suck it libs!
 
2012-05-18 11:15:47 AM
i drank some of that this morning. never once read the label.

oooooooops
 
2012-05-18 11:19:44 AM
Surprise surprise. If you're not buying the actual fruit (what a farking concept!) or if the label doesn't say "100% *X* juice" (not just "100% juice") then it's probably just filler juice, usually apple. Read the labels people.

Also, juice is NOT an acceptable substitute for soda. They're really the same, nutritionally.
 
2012-05-18 11:19:55 AM
Look, everyone knows you can name stuff after both content, and flavor. This stuff is labeled as Pomegranate Blueberry Flavored Blend of 5 Juices. The bigger concern is whether they are claiming health benefits from homeopathic levels of antioxidants.
 
2012-05-18 11:20:15 AM
"For a court to act when the FDA has not - despite regulating extensively in this area - would risk undercutting the FDA's expert judgments and authority."

That's fine but how do you force the FDA to do something if you can't sue?
 
2012-05-18 11:20:30 AM

Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...


The Pom wonderful brand is very tarty/sour, but I usually cut it with quite a bit of water. It also makes it last longer which makes the $15 per bottle price tag easier to handle.
 
2012-05-18 11:20:51 AM
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"We are confident that the (judge) will dismiss what little is left of Pom's baseless claims," Coca-Cola said.
 
2012-05-18 11:20:59 AM

Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...


Pomegranate juice isn't sour. I like to put about two fingers of it in a cup of club soda.

Trivia: In Hebrew the word for pomegranate (rimon) is the same as the word for grenade. Israel has a LOT of fresh fruit stands, and yes - some of them boast English menus that list "grenade juice."

"An explosion of flavor!"

/ CSS ends
 
2012-05-18 11:21:17 AM

Lumpmoose: "For a court to act when the FDA has not - despite regulating extensively in this area - would risk undercutting the FDA's expert judgments and authority."

That's fine but how do you force the FDA to do something if you can't sue?


You'd sue the FDA to change the regulations, not Minute Maid for following regulations you don't like.
 
2012-05-18 11:21:44 AM
Yeah, the "Izze" brand does the same thing. Their "pomegranate juice" is mainly apple juice.

/still tastes pretty good
 
2012-05-18 11:22:45 AM
Purple Drink*

*Does not contain any actual purple.
 
2012-05-18 11:23:00 AM

DemoKnite: Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...

The Pom wonderful brand is very tarty/sour, but I usually cut it with quite a bit of water. It also makes it last longer which makes the $15 per bottle price tag easier to handle.


They make Pom light now, which is watered down. So you could just buy regular Pom and cut it with 50% water.
 
2012-05-18 11:23:54 AM
I don't buy the blueberry pomegranate juice because it's full of juicy goodness, I buy it because it farking tastes amazing. Every glass I pour I mix a bit of water in it to dilute it because it's a bit sweet to me -- but man is that shiat the BOMB!
 
2012-05-18 11:24:38 AM

Headso: That interferes with a corporations right to free speech as people to lie to you about the contents of their product. suck it libs!


more specifically, it interfered with the separation of powers. the judge didn't want to open the door to regulating things that the FDA is supposed to handle.

here's a secret about litigation: a judge gets paid the same no matter how many cases he sees. if he can boot a case out of his courtroom, he will. not to be cynical, but the system is overworked, and the overworked people refuse to allow the system to add more judges, because they think it will lessen the prestige of being a judge.
 
2012-05-18 11:24:51 AM
Read the contents of every cranberry juice on the shelf. The cheaper ones are almost entirely apple, grape, HFCS, and water. Cranberry only rates above the preservatives. Even the more expensive ones are rarely more than 10% cranberry. If you want something with more, you have to buy pure cranberry juice from your organic aisle (and it's quite expensive), and mix it yourself.
 
2012-05-18 11:26:24 AM
Exactly what kind of douchebags are sitting on this court?

"For a court to act when the FDA has not - despite regulating extensively in this area - would risk undercutting the FDA's expert judgments and authority."

The reason why this court case was initiated is because the FDA has failed to exercise its authority and judgment.

Undercutting governmental irresponsibility is a court's job!

Jesus Farking Christ. Has everything been sold to the highest bidder in this country?
 
2012-05-18 11:27:48 AM

Nogale: Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...

Pomegranate juice isn't sour. I like to put about two fingers of it in a cup of club soda.

Trivia: In Hebrew the word for pomegranate (rimon) is the same as the word for grenade. Israel has a LOT of fresh fruit stands, and yes - some of them boast English menus that list "grenade juice."

"An explosion of flavor!"

/ CSS ends


www.cocktailsdrinkrecipes.com

/ i don't drink these. this is not an endorsement. they're turrible
 
2012-05-18 11:28:01 AM

Mr.Poops: man is that shiat the BOMB!


in light of your chosen Fark handle i'm highly inclined to believe you!
 
2012-05-18 11:28:34 AM
This is a defeat for the forces of stupidity. Just read the goddamn label.
 
2012-05-18 11:28:54 AM
It's almost as if there's this industry that is so pervasive in it's presence and importance that it is largely invisible in terms of the amount of influence it wields in our country.

Imagine that.
 
2012-05-18 11:29:50 AM
Most governmental regulatory agencies are corporate whores cow-towing to the businesses they are supposed to be regulating.

Would be nice if the courts would use their authority to step in, but they would have to do that exclusively and should basically just take up the role of the FDA if that were the case.
 
2012-05-18 11:29:52 AM
And we wonder why there is such a problem in this country with diet and nutrition, when intentionally misleading labels are legal.
 
2012-05-18 11:29:54 AM

DemoKnite: Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...

The Pom wonderful brand is very tarty/sour, but I usually cut it with quite a bit of water. It also makes it last longer which makes the $15 per bottle price tag easier to handle.


I cut it with vodka, myself.

/and a couple other secret ingredients
//loves me some pomagrante martinis
///I'm a girl, shut up.
 
2012-05-18 11:30:55 AM

stiletto_the_wise: This is a defeat for the forces of stupidity. Just read the goddamn label.


Hack Patooey: And we wonder why there is such a problem in this country with diet and nutrition, when intentionally misleading labels are legal.


you two should talk to each other.
 
2012-05-18 11:30:55 AM
"We are confident that the (judge) will dismiss what little is left of Pom's baseless claims," Coca-Cola said.

They aren't really "baseless", you really are actively attempting to deceive.
 
2012-05-18 11:31:39 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Exactly what kind of douchebags are sitting on this court?

"For a court to act when the FDA has not - despite regulating extensively in this area - would risk undercutting the FDA's expert judgments and authority."

The reason why this court case was initiated is because the FDA has failed to exercise its authority and judgment.

Undercutting governmental irresponsibility is a court's job!

Jesus Farking Christ. Has everything been sold to the highest bidder in this country?


Not at all. Plenty of things have been sold to the lowest bidder.
 
2012-05-18 11:33:09 AM
MInute Maid has been mislabling shiat for years! According to the folks at Minute Maid, what goes on here is "baseball":

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2012-05-18 11:33:26 AM

Mr Guy: Lumpmoose: "For a court to act when the FDA has not - despite regulating extensively in this area - would risk undercutting the FDA's expert judgments and authority."

That's fine but how do you force the FDA to do something if you can't sue?

You'd sue the FDA to change the regulations, not Minute Maid for following regulations you don't like.


Ah, that makes sense. Pom farked that one up.
 
2012-05-18 11:33:35 AM

Mr Guy: [...] The bigger concern is whether they are claiming health benefits from homeopathic levels of antioxidants.


www.strategicdc.com
 
2012-05-18 11:34:27 AM

december: stiletto_the_wise: This is a defeat for the forces of stupidity. Just read the goddamn label.

Hack Patooey: And we wonder why there is such a problem in this country with diet and nutrition, when intentionally misleading labels are legal.

you two should talk to each other.


I agree that people should read the whole label, we always do, to see what is in the food we buy. The issue is most people don't, or just glance at it. So make the main ingredients what you see at a glance, not buried in some teeny print in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.
 
2012-05-18 11:34:44 AM

McManus_brothers: Surprise surprise. If you're not buying the actual fruit (what a farking concept!) or if the label doesn't say "100% *X* juice" (not just "100% juice") then it's probably just filler juice, usually apple. Read the labels people.

Also, juice is NOT an acceptable substitute for soda. They're really the same, nutritionally.


For sugar content yeah but if its one or the other you choose juice, soft drinks are bad in general and some people I work with drink 5-6 a day. I always ask them if they would like to break that up with some water, they look at me like I'm insane.
 
2012-05-18 11:35:07 AM
This is why you read the labels. 100% juice doesn't mean it's 100% of the fruit in the product name. You're mostly drinking pear and apple juice with natural flavors.

/work in food manufacturing
//always reads labels
 
2012-05-18 11:35:36 AM

Janusdog: They make Pom light now, which is watered down. So you could just buy regular Pom and cut it with 50% water.


You misspelled vodka.
 
2012-05-18 11:35:59 AM

McManus_brothers: Also, juice is NOT an acceptable substitute for soda. They're really the same, nutritionally.


I've seen this idea floating around. I'd love to see some sources (not a snark). While I understand that the sugars in juice wouldn't be any better for you, orange juice, for example, has vitamin C and potassium. That alone would make a glass of that better than soda.
 
2012-05-18 11:36:06 AM
This is why I only drink beer.
 
2012-05-18 11:36:09 AM
Not surprised. If you aren't paying out the ass for your specialty juice/juice cocktail/juice beverage (it makes a difference!), that shiat is apple juice and/or sugar compound. Maybe pear juice, but apple is most common and a LOT cheaper. One tries to get by with as little amount of actual fancy juice as possible, while still preserving the right color (not too hard, especially with grape and to a lesser extent cranberry) and keeping the flavor profile along the right lines. Flavorings are expensive, too, so you have to strike the right balance. Pomegranate should always be very suspect, because you basically cannot get it in the US and it doesn't really taste like much in a blend, so if you can get by with using more of a cheaper flavor and just a little bit of actual pomegranate juice, you will. Check the labels, people!

If you want to see how much or how little of a substance has to be in a drink to still be called what it is called, you can get the FDA regs online, by the way.
 
2012-05-18 11:37:46 AM
Corporations are people my friend.

and people are dicks
 
2012-05-18 11:37:57 AM
The label says that it's a pomegranate blueberry flavored blend of five juices. The label shows fives fruits, two of which are pomegranate and blueberry. No deception there.

Pomegranate and blueberry are both stronger, more noticeable flavors than apple or grape. No deception there.

There's more pomegranate (0.3%) than blueberry (0.2%). No deception there.

The label says 100% fruit juices. The court said that there are 99.4 % apple and grape juices. Add the 0.3% pomegranate and the 0.2% blueberry and that's 99.9%, leaving 0.1% for the raspberry shown on the label, making a total of 100%. No deception there.
 
2012-05-18 11:38:31 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Exactly what kind of douchebags are sitting on this court?

"For a court to act when the FDA has not - despite regulating extensively in this area - would risk undercutting the FDA's expert judgments and authority."

The reason why this court case was initiated is because the FDA has failed to exercise its authority and judgment.

Undercutting governmental irresponsibility is a court's job!

Jesus Farking Christ. Has everything been sold to the highest bidder in this country?


This is a WINNAH!!!!
 
2012-05-18 11:39:23 AM

Allornone: DemoKnite: Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...

The Pom wonderful brand is very tarty/sour, but I usually cut it with quite a bit of water. It also makes it last longer which makes the $15 per bottle price tag easier to handle.

I cut it with vodka, myself.

/and a couple other secret ingredients
//loves me some pomagrante martinis
///I'm a girl, shut up.


For me?
Two parts bourbon
One part pomagrante juice, i like to juice a whole fresh pom for this.
Splash of soda
Over ice in a rocks glass

Var.
One teaspoon dilute honey for winter cold relief
 
2012-05-18 11:40:39 AM
This isn't nearly as much of a problem as it would be if Minute Maid turns around and sues POM Wonderful for marketing its juice as "*real*" Pomegranate Blueberry juice (implying that others aren't as real). That's what happened to milk producers who advertised milk free of bovine growth hormone -- they were enjoined from implying that their milk was safer. What's juice for the goose should be juice for the gander.
 
2012-05-18 11:40:43 AM
OMG they're allowed to name things after the flavor of it instead of what constitutes most of it!

/man, labels would be really confusing if all drinks had to be labeled as "Water...with X, Y, and Z flavoring"
//next you're going to tell me Mountain Dew isn't made from dew on actual mountains!
 
2012-05-18 11:41:02 AM

Jubeebee: Tr0mBoNe: 100% pomegranate would be pretty sour...

So is 100% cranberry juice, and that shiat goes for $10 a pint.


100% cranberry juice has pretty much only medicinal purposes. It's very effective at that, for what it's worth.
 
2012-05-18 11:41:30 AM

Hack Patooey: december: stiletto_the_wise: This is a defeat for the forces of stupidity. Just read the goddamn label.

Hack Patooey: And we wonder why there is such a problem in this country with diet and nutrition, when intentionally misleading labels are legal.

you two should talk to each other.

I agree that people should read the whole label, we always do, to see what is in the food we buy. The issue is most people don't, or just glance at it. So make the main ingredients what you see at a glance, not buried in some teeny print in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'.


Now, now - or the food industry will read you some of its poetry.
 
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