EABOD, Arizona

Why do you damn libruls think that women should have input on these things ... they are not remotely related to cooking or cleaning?!?!

She better come back with a sandwich?

So pretty much just a microcosm of the current state of American politics, then?

Nice.

Remember it's NOT "a war on women" Fox news confirmed it.

The party of the religious right is acting like authoritatians? I would have never predicted that.

It wouldn't be fair and balanced with just one woman. By excluding her, they were ensuring fairness to her, while maintaining a douche balance.

I'll start considering DC's ability to have a voting member in Congress when DC stops electing people like Marion Barry. That's like saying, "We deserve our 2nd Amendment rights" when every first Saturday of the month is declared by the local government to be "Shoot a 3rd Grader In the Face Day".

Oh, wait. I think that applies to DC as well.

On the abortion issue, I'd think it would be in everybody's best interests if abortion was not only safe and legal in DC, but mandatory as well.

Keep the Federal Government out of our lives right?

As a person in his 20's all I have to ask is what is everyone's problem with birth control and abortion?

God damn, why does everyone hate sluts?

All you prudes can EABOD.

test eckols: Remember it's NOT "a war on women" Fox news confirmed it.

It's the loony LEFT that's engaging in the REAL "war on women". Because, you know, they criticize women who don't support women's rights.

/If you think about it, it makes total sense.
//In Bizarro World, I mean.

At issue this time was his bill, with 193 co-sponsors, to ban all abortions in the District beyond 20 weeks, except to save the life of the mother.

20 weeks? What trimester is that? I know nothing about abortions but do they really happen after 4 months?

At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed and can survive outside the womb. I really have no objections to measures banning abortions at that point. People should be able to figure out within the first three months if they want/are able to have the baby, economically, socially, etc. There's no reason to let people kill them then, when they can be put up for adoption.

/she wasn't excluded for having tits, subby, you drama whore

Hurry up and die... hurry up and die... hurry up and die...

This is what happens when you put zealots in office. your vote matters, even in Arizona.

Summercat: Yomoxu: At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed and can survive outside the womb. I really have no objections to measures banning abortions at that point. People should be able to figure out within the first three months if they want/are able to have the baby, economically, socially, etc. There's no reason to let people kill them then, when they can be put up for adoption.

/she wasn't excluded for having tits, subby, you drama whore

Only with the miracle of modern medical science. And a really good team of doctors.

And at a very, very high medical cost that we, the public, will likely bear at some point.

Yomoxu: At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed and can survive outside the womb. I really have no objections to measures banning abortions at that point. People should be able to figure out within the first three months if they want/are able to have the baby, economically, socially, etc. There's no reason to let people kill them then, when they can be put up for adoption.

/she wasn't excluded for having tits, subby, you drama whore

It's the mother's body. If she no longer wants to provide resources, time and discomfort for the fetus, why should she be forced to?

Fully grown people die due to lack of health care every day; Should we force people to pay for insurance to pay for their care? The issues seem inseparable to me.

Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

Yomoxu: At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed and can survive outside the womb. I really have no objections to measures banning abortions at that point. People should be able to figure out within the first three months if they want/are able to have the baby, economically, socially, etc. There's no reason to let people kill them then, when they can be put up for adoption.

/she wasn't excluded for having tits, subby, you drama whore

There is such a slim chance that that baby would survive outside of the womb once born and after that, they'll have a pretty low quality of life. As for the argument about a woman having an abortion past 20 weeks or so TFA actually cited the Dems witness who was told at 21 weeks that her fetus had a severe brain abnormality. If a measure would pass she'd have to suffer through the rest of her pregnancy knowing that her baby was going to either have such severe brain problems or likely not survive past a couple of hours once born. Why in a effing hell would you do that to a woman? Any woman?

Also, what business is it of yours when a woman has an abortion? Are you an OB/GYN? Do you have these conversations with women on a daily basis? No? Then STFU.

Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

What if you're in your early 20s and it means a ruined life?

Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

The argument is "what business is it of yours"

Yomoxu: At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed

markfara: test eckols: Remember it's NOT "a war on women" Fox news confirmed it.

It's the loony LEFT that's engaging in the REAL "war on women". Because, you know, they criticize women who don't support women's rights.

/If you think about it, it makes total sense.
//In Bizarro World, I mean.

Actually it's not about that.

Those women on the political Right want have the option to stay at home, be the primary care giver to their kids, and manage the household, being a complement to the role carried out by their husbands. Not that they all plan to do that, but they want that option and they don't want other women, most notably on the political Left to look down at them if they decide to go that route. The political Left would tell a "traditional house wife" (if such a thing still exists, my mom was never one) that they are oppressed, even if they are the equal in all respect to their husband when it comes to decision making about all manner of family issues.

Freedom of choice and acceptance of alternative lifestyles must include acceptance of more traditional roles for women or it's not freedom of choice. Indeed, it's something far worse than what's being offered by social Conservatives, because it is a lie.

SoCalSurfer: Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

What if you're in your early 20s and it means a ruined life?

Give it up for adoption. My mom did, and the guy turned out great.

And in conclusion, they are doing it because they can. Not that it has a chance in hell of passing in the Senate, let alone getting the President's signature.

You would think their base would eventually get the idea that a) these guys are never going to deliver, and b) the rest of their policies are more godless than an Atheist convention in Vegas

SoCalSurfer: Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

What if you're in your early 20s and it means a ruined life?

Deal with it sooner?

Washington DC, the Rodney Dangerfield of Congress.

Yomoxu: At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed and can survive outside the womb. I really have no objections to measures banning abortions at that point. People should be able to figure out within the first three months if they want/are able to have the baby, economically, socially, etc. There's no reason to let people kill them then, when they can be put up for adoption.

TFA talked about a Ms.Zink who had a 21 week abortion because the fetus had "life-threatening brain anomalies." Sooooo ummmm, no reason? Really?

KatjaMouse: Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

The argument is "what business is it of yours"


Why are you arguing with this 'person'? You think you're gonna change their mind? You think some sort of entertainment or insight is going to emerge? Starting out immediately with an ad hominem ("take mercury" duhhhhh) always means a genuine exchange of ideas is to be had.

Abortion is legal. Washington DC occupies tentative, unstable ground in terms of DC's rights. Therefore it's easiest to attack abortion in DC.

Also, have you seen the coloration of most of the residents of the District of Columbia? They aren't well known for having a coherent voice within the power structure, or being heard by either government or religious groups.

hdhale: markfara: test eckols: Remember it's NOT "a war on women" Fox news confirmed it.

It's the loony LEFT that's engaging in the REAL "war on women". Because, you know, they criticize women who don't support women's rights.

/If you think about it, it makes total sense.
//In Bizarro World, I mean.

Actually it's not about that.

Those women on the political Right want have the option to stay at home, be the primary care giver to their kids, and manage the household, being a complement to the role carried out by their husbands. Not that they all plan to do that, but they want that option and they don't want other women, most notably on the political Left to look down at them if they decide to go that route. The political Left would tell a "traditional house wife" (if such a thing still exists, my mom was never one) that they are oppressed, even if they are the equal in all respect to their husband when it comes to decision making about all manner of family issues.

Bizarro Conservative sez: Me am conservative because me support choice for women.

/Caricatures of liberals never get old.
//Please, do go on.

markfara: SoCalSurfer: Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

What if you're in your early 20s and it means a ruined life?

Deal with it sooner?

Believe it or not there are just many women who wouldn't even detect a pregnancy within that span of time sometimes. I've mentioned it here before but my cousin didn't find out she was pregnant until the 7th month because of a laundry list of things working against her, to include an irregular period, she lost weight during that pregnancy, she didn't look pregnant and never had "symptoms" like morning sickness or fatigue, and the fetus was pretty damn sedentary. It wasn't until she had a physical with a urine test did they come back and tell her about it. She had her baby but there are occasions where a woman is completely unaware whether she genuinely is oblivious because of a likewise laundry list of coincidences or if she's just stupidly out of touch with her body. If you're finding out midway or a little late into a pregnancy you're not as mentally prepared for it as a woman who found out about it 3 weeks after conception.

Yomoxu: At 20 weeks (5 months), a child is fully developed and can survive outside the womb.

At 24 weeks (6 months) there is only about a 50% chance of the fetus surviving outside the womb. I think 21 weeks is the earliest known case of a fetus surviving, and the youngest surviving child born at that time frame required something like 6 months of intense neonatal care before she was sent home with her parents. And, to be fair, both of term viabilities (50% and earliest known) are only possible due to major advances in health care, and is not a standard feature in our species.

Under no circumstances can you say a fetus is fully developed. You can say it is normally developed for its age, but our species isn't fully developed until about 25-30 YEARS, much less gestational weeks, with only minor developmental changes that occur afterwards (mostly neurodevelopment with the best known example being parahippocampal neural growth in the mid-40s).

The Republicans treatment of Elanor Holmes Norton is another reason why I've transitioned from Libertarian Republican to Democrat over the last four years. There is absolutely no reason why she shouldn't be a voting member of Congress like she was back when the House was controlled by the Democrats. Personally, I think DC should get voting rights by incorporating most of the city back into Maryland except maybe the core downtown district (think the Mall, monuments, White House and Capitol Hill). And to avoid any complaints from neighboring counties and DC residents, make it its own jurisdiction along the lines of the City of Baltimore (which is entirely independent from Baltimore County).

Like the man said earlier, "Taxation without Representation".

/It ain't just a slogan on a tag.

Spade: I'll start considering DC's ability to have a voting member in Congress when DC stops electing people like Marion Barry. That's like saying, "We deserve our 2nd Amendment rights" when every first Saturday of the month is declared by the local government to be "Shoot a 3rd Grader In the Face Day".

Oh, wait. I think that applies to DC as well.

On the abortion issue, I'd think it would be in everybody's best interests if abortion was not only safe and legal in DC, but mandatory as well.

Sadly, it's a little too late to abort Congress, and they would exempt themselves anyway.

Congress has sole authority over the district. The fact they they have delegated the day to day operation of the city to an administrative body whose leading members are elected by people that live in the district in no way changes that. To change it, you'd have to pass an Constitutional amendment.

Article I, Section 8, The powers of Congress:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings

Eliminate the first clause, and D.C. becomes a part of Maryland with a really high concentration of Federal installations. It's not like we don't have that state of affairs in parts of other cities in the USA.

That will solve the problem of representation, taxation, civil legislation, and the oddball collection of laws that the D.C. council thinks it is entitled to enact.

KatjaMouse: Civil_War2_Time: Anyone that thinks it's okay to abort after 20 weeks, unless it's to save the life of the mother, should find some Mercury and taste it.

The argument is "what business is it of yours"

I really could care less if someone is mugging you right next to me, but I will be charged with a crime if I do absolutely nothing.

If you have a big babby bump (5 month), and are repeatedly hitting it with a tire iron, I'd also be charged for inaction if I did nothing.