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(Boston.com)   Tiny state famous for being tiny spends $75 million on a baseball player to develop a video game. Game over, man, game over   (boston.com) divider line 126
    More: Followup, Curt Schilling, Rhode Island, Sony Online Entertainment, Lincoln Chafee, American League Championship Series, Blizzard Entertainment, Boston area, speculation  
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-05-18 08:43:07 AM  
$75 million

How many is that in Rhode Islands?
 
2012-05-18 09:13:31 AM  
I love this. Staunch republican Curt Schilling takes state money for his business, can't pay it back, and then asks for more.
 
2012-05-18 09:15:56 AM  
Grand Theft Auto: Providence.
 
2012-05-18 09:16:35 AM  
Its a shame. They put together am excellent team for KoA and the game really isn't anything special. the combat is great and that's about it.
 
2012-05-18 09:18:55 AM  
Yeah and Shilling hired Todd McFarlane to be the artistic director and RA Salvator to write the story for the Amalur game. You know those guys don't come cheap.

Although he is a huge baseball fan so maybe he gave him a discount.

I played the game. It's not too bad. Nothing really revolutionary, but it's a little too big and ambitious for a 1st title. It probably took forever to develop. They could have cut half of the game's size and made a profit without people feeling cheated.
 
2012-05-18 09:19:06 AM  
I played the demo, and gave the game a rental to get a better idea of the game. I like it and thought about purchasing it. But I have a hard time supporting this type of shiat.
 
2012-05-18 09:21:42 AM  
The governor of Rhode Island at the time was strongly behind this deal. He, like Schilling, is a republican. So much for those bootstraps, eh?
 
2012-05-18 09:23:07 AM  
Not sure why RI wanted to toss that much jack at a video game company. Especially a new one with an untested IP. KoA got decent reviews (81 metacritic) and from what I heard it sold reasonably well. It sounds like KOA isn't what torpedoed them but this stupid MMO project they have coming up.

Sorry thing is if Bioware with a Star Wars game couldn't breach the MMO market effectively then there's not much that will. The people who want the MMO experience have WOW and the other smaller games that linger around and there's not a big market past those for the MMO experience.
 
2012-05-18 09:24:47 AM  

Jerkwater: I love this. Staunch republican Curt Schilling takes state money for his business, can't pay it back, and then asks for more.


Standard. Operating. Procedure.

I think it's awesome he payed people like Todd MacFarlane several million dollars to help develop the game conceptually and no one has seen one screen or even a feature list years later. And this is supposedly after schilling dumped quite a bit of his own savings into the company too.

Curt should have just stuck to playing kids games instead of trying to make them.
 
2012-05-18 09:24:51 AM  
The easiest way to make a small fortune in the video game industry is to start with a large fortune.

It sucks to see a great team with lots of passion crash and burn. That being said, dreams are not a business plan and passion doesn't pay the bills.
 
2012-05-18 09:25:00 AM  
Copper comes from Arizona
Peaches come from Georgia
And lobsters come from Maine
The wheat fields
Are the sweet fields of Nebraska
And Kansas gets bonanzas from the grain

Old whiskey comes from old Kentucky
Ain't the country lucky
New Jersey gives us glue
And you, you come from Rhode Island
And little old Rhode Island
Is famous for you

Cotton comes from Lou-siana
Gophers from Montana
And spuds from Idaho
They plow land
In the cow land of Missour-a
Where most beef meant
For roast beef seems to grow

Grand canyons come from Colorad-a
Gold comes from Nevada
Divorces also do
And you, you come from Rhode Island
Little old Rhode Island
Is famous for you

Pencils come from Pennsylvania
Vest from Vest Virginia
And Tents from Tent-esee
They know mink where they grow
Mink in Wyo-mink
A camp chair in New Hamp-chair
That's for me

And minnows come Minnesota
Coats come from Dakota
But why should you be blue?
For you, you come from Rhode Island
Don't let them ride Rhode Island
It's famous for you
 
2012-05-18 09:25:35 AM  
put Rhode Island taxpayers on the hook for up to $75 million in guaranteed loans to an athlete who liked video games

Curt Schilling hates big government spending, unless it's filling his pockets with millions of dollars.

Typical Republican.
 
2012-05-18 09:27:14 AM  

Jerkwater: I love this. Staunch republican Curt Schilling takes state money for his business, can't pay it back, and then asks for more.


Exactly! I lurk much more than I post here but as a Rhode Islander this story just cannot be ignored. Schilling's arrogance just shimmers off the tv screen during news updates about this. His hypocrisy knows no bounds. He said he invested 20-25 million of his own money. Lie. He invested about 4 million. Which he quickly repaid to himself when given the loan guarantees by fellow small government Republican Gov. Carcieri. He risked none of his own fortune on his business and will leave RI taxpayers footing a 100+ million dollar bill when the company folds. But thank the lawd no taxpayer money went to those awful welfare queens eh Sockboy?!?
 
2012-05-18 09:28:01 AM  
KoA wasn't a flop but it wasn't exactly a blockbuster either. I assume it will get played by a lot of gamers but most of them will buy it used, or out of the bargain bin.
 
2012-05-18 09:29:29 AM  

dalbuc: Not sure why RI wanted to toss that much jack at a video game company. Especially a new one with an untested IP. KoA got decent reviews (81 metacritic) and from what I heard it sold reasonably well. It sounds like KOA isn't what torpedoed them but this stupid MMO project they have coming up.

Sorry thing is if Bioware with a Star Wars game couldn't breach the MMO market effectively then there's not much that will. The people who want the MMO experience have WOW and the other smaller games that linger around and there's not a big market past those for the MMO experience.


RI didn't want to toss that much jack at him. Everyone on both sides of the aisle were against this deal including our current Governor and current Treasurer. This was a deal between two fellow millionaire small government Republicans against the will of the people.
 
2012-05-18 09:29:52 AM  
I hope this doesnt affect ASL.
 
2012-05-18 09:29:53 AM  

mcgreggers99: Yeah and Shilling hired Todd McFarlane to be the artistic director and RA Salvator to write the story for the Amalur game. You know those guys don't come cheap.

Although he is a huge baseball fan so maybe he gave him a discount.

I played the game. It's not too bad. Nothing really revolutionary, but it's a little too big and ambitious for a 1st title. It probably took forever to develop. They could have cut half of the game's size and made a profit without people feeling cheated.


I thought he was hired for Copernicus specifically? I know he worked on Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning too.
 
2012-05-18 09:33:52 AM  
The game is pretty decent, unfortunately I haven't gotten very far into it. I had low expectations, I've known about Schilling's ambitions for years, as he was well known as a "celebrity" MMO player. It doesn't sound to me as if they're tanking, simply that the reporter thinks a single game is going to produce a windfall.

The investment was long term. I know it's difficult to comprehend in these days where no long term planning happens with companies, but I think in the long run it will pan out.
 
2012-05-18 09:36:24 AM  
The money probably wasn't mostly lost on the game they just released, instead on the MMO they've been developing. MMOs are giant cashsinks.
 
2012-05-18 09:36:26 AM  
cache.boston.com

This was the final boss of the baseball game. When you make it to the World Series, his team was the one you played against. Their pitcher can throw the ball 200 mph and they intentionally bean. So your batting line up dies off pretty quickly. Also, there's a giant trap spider playing short stop. If you make it to third base, you discover it's actually a portal to Hell so don't slide in to it.
 
2012-05-18 09:38:22 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: [cache.boston.com image 539x340]

This was the final boss of the baseball game. When you make it to the World Series, his team was the one you played against. Their pitcher can throw the ball 200 mph and they intentionally bean. So your batting line up dies off pretty quickly. Also, there's a giant trap spider playing short stop. If you make it to third base, you discover it's actually a portal to Hell so don't slide in to it.


Don't forget do use the bloody sock on the pitcher, it's a rather hard to find item though.
 
2012-05-18 09:38:32 AM  

FarkedOver: The governor of Rhode Island at the time was strongly behind this deal. He, like Schilling, is a republican. So much for those bootstraps, eh?


He knocked down the wood across the street from my parents house to build his governor's mansion. He is a total douche, regardless of political affiliation.
 
2012-05-18 09:38:42 AM  
Tell Curt to get out the check book and start paying out of his own damn pocket!
 
2012-05-18 09:38:54 AM  

FarkedOver: The governor of Rhode Island at the time was strongly behind this deal. He, like Schilling, is a republican. So much for those bootstraps, eh?


No. Republicans still expect people who aren't them to be bootstrappy.

Honestly, how many republicans do you know of who have actually made their own way? I mean... aside from Craig T. Nelson. We all know nobody helped him when he was on food stamps....

What I really don't get at this point is that this sort of thing is pretty much the norm for republicans now. They have this lofty, irresponsibly impractical ideals they like to talk about regarding spending cuts and self-reliance, yet virtually none of them ever practices anything but the complete opposite once in office.

Yet people keep voting for them. How freaking hard do you have to work to NOT see how obviously corrupt and dishonest this entire party has become?

They gave away millions to fund the development of a video game that's never going to happen. How is that anything but the complete antithesis of everything the party runs on anymore and why is it still fooling so many people?

/ and, no, the president being near doesn't explain all of it...
 
2012-05-18 09:39:00 AM  

gojirast: The game is pretty decent, unfortunately I haven't gotten very far into it. I had low expectations, I've known about Schilling's ambitions for years, as he was well known as a "celebrity" MMO player. It doesn't sound to me as if they're tanking, simply that the reporter thinks a single game is going to produce a windfall.

The investment was long term. I know it's difficult to comprehend in these days where no long term planning happens with companies, but I think in the long run it will pan out.


I heard this rumor from an industry insider (so alas, I can't back my post with a cite, won't take it personally if you want confirmation at least) but it sounds like 38 Studios won't be able to cover the check back to RI or make payroll for its current employees. Assuming this is true, not really good in terms of long-term planning either.
 
2012-05-18 09:39:49 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: And this is supposedly after schilling dumped quite a bit of his own savings into the company too.


Yeah, about that--

Last year Schilling told Reuters that he had invested "$30 million to $35 million" in 38 Studios. A disclosure filing obtained by WPRI shows that Schilling advanced the company $4 million of his own money, and has already been paid back-with funds from the Rhode Island loan.


Link
 
2012-05-18 09:40:11 AM  
They lured the job creator away from MA with taxpayer money that might not be payed back.
 
2012-05-18 09:40:24 AM  

mcgreggers99: Yeah and Shilling hired Todd McFarlane to be the artistic director and RA Salvator to write the story for the Amalur game. You know those guys don't come cheap.


It was totally worth it. Who else could have designed elves with pointy ears, little goblin things, giant spiders, and big stony trolls? Who but Salvatore could have written a story about an Evil King raising an army of dark raiders?
 
2012-05-18 09:40:44 AM  
I enjoy KoA:R, it's gonna be said if his company folds. That said, holy crap! How big of a money sink is this company? He's burned through well over $100,000,000 at this point, and the game has sold well, but he'd need to sell each unit at over $100 each just to break even!
 
2012-05-18 09:41:36 AM  
The last week is te first time Kurt hasn't had anything I spout off to the media about

Isn't he looking for more money?
 
2012-05-18 09:42:19 AM  
Sucks. I was looking forward to Copernicus (and had been for like 5 years)
 
2012-05-18 09:42:20 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: [cache.boston.com image 539x340]

This was the final boss of the baseball game. When you make it to the World Series, his team was the one you played against. Their pitcher can throw the ball 200 mph and they intentionally bean. So your batting line up dies off pretty quickly. Also, there's a giant trap spider playing short stop. If you make it to third base, you discover it's actually a portal to Hell so don't slide in to it.


Actually if intelligently developed a Basewars-like sports "spoof" MMO might be fun. Imagine if it wasn't just baseball though, like you could play "Football Wars" and your linemen could all be inside tanks and your kicker uses a howitzer (or some other kind of artillery).
 
2012-05-18 09:45:26 AM  

Wise_Guy: Crotchrocket Slim: And this is supposedly after schilling dumped quite a bit of his own savings into the company too.

Yeah, about that--

Last year Schilling told Reuters that he had invested "$30 million to $35 million" in 38 Studios. A disclosure filing obtained by WPRI shows that Schilling advanced the company $4 million of his own money, and has already been paid back-with funds from the Rhode Island loan.

Link


I knew he had overstated how much of his personal capital he put in but I consider $4 million a farkload of money. Still doesn't excuse them hemorrhaging cash on celeb developers and borrowing public funds, and it doesn't look like the MMO will ever be released.
 
2012-05-18 09:47:36 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

sydlexia.com

I'd buy it if they remade it for 360. I loved this freakin game.
 
2012-05-18 09:48:01 AM  
Schillyndra!
 
2012-05-18 09:48:02 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: gojirast: The game is pretty decent, unfortunately I haven't gotten very far into it. I had low expectations, I've known about Schilling's ambitions for years, as he was well known as a "celebrity" MMO player. It doesn't sound to me as if they're tanking, simply that the reporter thinks a single game is going to produce a windfall.

The investment was long term. I know it's difficult to comprehend in these days where no long term planning happens with companies, but I think in the long run it will pan out.

I heard this rumor from an industry insider (so alas, I can't back my post with a cite, won't take it personally if you want confirmation at least) but it sounds like 38 Studios won't be able to cover the check back to RI or make payroll for its current employees. Assuming this is true, not really good in terms of long-term planning either.


The rest of us simply read it in the article.
 
2012-05-18 09:48:06 AM  
How the fark are government's allowed to do this? If you want to invest in something, invest your OWN money. Don't put tax payers on the hook for it.

(Here's looking at you too, Obama and Bush.)
 
2012-05-18 09:49:51 AM  
...and every time there are budget problems, the first things the government threatens to put on the chopping block are firefighters, cops, education, and even street lights.... and then they magically find money for bullshiat like this.
 
2012-05-18 09:50:59 AM  
Is this the "free market capitalism" the GOP is always bragging about?
 
2012-05-18 09:51:30 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: gojirast: The game is pretty decent, unfortunately I haven't gotten very far into it. I had low expectations, I've known about Schilling's ambitions for years, as he was well known as a "celebrity" MMO player. It doesn't sound to me as if they're tanking, simply that the reporter thinks a single game is going to produce a windfall.

The investment was long term. I know it's difficult to comprehend in these days where no long term planning happens with companies, but I think in the long run it will pan out.

I heard this rumor from an industry insider (so alas, I can't back my post with a cite, won't take it personally if you want confirmation at least) but it sounds like 38 Studios won't be able to cover the check back to RI or make payroll for its current employees. Assuming this is true, not really good in terms of long-term planning either.


Doesn't sound like a rumor anymore . . .
 
2012-05-18 09:51:40 AM  

Headso: They lured the job creator away from MA with taxpayer money that might not be payed back.


The best part is (although not so much for the employees), that they missed payroll so all the jobs he created are currently going unpaid...
 
2012-05-18 09:52:04 AM  
$75M? wow, talk about taking ''Schilling" to a whole new level....
 
2012-05-18 09:52:39 AM  
Fark I am disappoint
 
2012-05-18 09:55:05 AM  
They probably would have created more jobs by taking that 75MM and doing micro loans for middle class people trying to start various businesses, talk to 10 younger couples and at least 1 or 2 will have an idea for a reasonable small business but can't get the capital for the initial startup costs. But it's always gotta be about swinging from the nuts of the rich.
 
2012-05-18 09:55:33 AM  
Rather impressive that this bit of news could be applicable in the SPORTS, GEEK, ENTERTAINMENT, BUSINESS, or POLITICS tabs.

It's like a perfect storm of suck.
 
2012-05-18 09:55:47 AM  

squidgod2000:

The rest of us simply read it in the article.


*hangs head

Sorry, I know better.
 
2012-05-18 09:56:09 AM  

Splinshints: FarkedOver: The governor of Rhode Island at the time was strongly behind this deal. He, like Schilling, is a republican. So much for those bootstraps, eh?

No. Republicans still expect people who aren't them to be bootstrappy.

Honestly, how many republicans do you know of who have actually made their own way? I mean... aside from Craig T. Nelson. We all know nobody helped him when he was on food stamps....

What I really don't get at this point is that this sort of thing is pretty much the norm for republicans now. They have this lofty, irresponsibly impractical ideals they like to talk about regarding spending cuts and self-reliance, yet virtually none of them ever practices anything but the complete opposite once in office.

Yet people keep voting for them. How freaking hard do you have to work to NOT see how obviously corrupt and dishonest this entire party has become?

They gave away millions to fund the development of a video game that's never going to happen. How is that anything but the complete antithesis of everything the party runs on anymore and why is it still fooling so many people?

/ and, no, the president being near doesn't explain all of it...


DERP!!!!!

Cmon, you're smarter than to believe the generalizations in your post.
 
2012-05-18 09:56:22 AM  

tgregory: How the fark are government's allowed to do this? If you want to invest in something, invest your OWN money. Don't put tax payers on the hook for it.


That's a numbly short-sighted view of economic development. There are a lot of things that have the potential to create substantial value but are not economically viable in their early stages. "Green energy" is the current best example of that phenomenon. There's no (factual) reason to think that it's not viable in the long term, but the development costs are steep enough that they scare off investors. Nobody wants to invest in something that may only modest dividends thirty down the road when they can invest in a lot of other things now that will pay bigger dividends sooner. That doesn't mean there's no value in doing it and that's where government investment shines. The same goes for a lot of research into medical procedures and drugs, chemical and materials research, etc.

That said, like any other investment, there are also obviously stupid things like giving $75m to an unproven video game development company with only one real project on its plate and steep development costs.... you don't step into a crowded, cutthroat market full of huge, established players and expect to beat them all at their own game with your first title by throwing tons of money at the story and artwork. That's just plain stupid and giving anybody money to do it is bordering on criminally stupid.
 
2012-05-18 10:00:22 AM  

INeedAName: Its a shame. They put together am excellent team for KoA and the game really isn't anything special. the combat is great and that's about it.


They bought an excellent team for the KoA: Reckoning game. 38 Studios has been working on an MMO based in the Amalur setting for years, they picked up Big Huge Studios when THQ cut them loose in 2010. Big Huge was already working on the action RPG and they changed the settings to match that of the MMO game 38 Studios is working on.

The success or failure of KoA: Reckoning does not have much to do with the 75 million loan as this was meant more for the development of an MMO game that has not been either demoed or released, and at this point has no release date.
 
2012-05-18 10:01:30 AM  

ZAZ: $75 million

How many is that in Rhode Islands?


One Brazillian Bottles, which can accompany Eleventy Brazillion Scrimp Salads, containing more than I'mfineite Numbers Of North Alandick Pr0nz.

I can haz funnay votz nao plz?
 
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