She's a Dapper Dan Ma...... Woman!

San Francisco. Female Fire Chief. (click). Yep.

Jesus, subtard, what did you expect?

Goony goo goo.

Yep. She's a deadbeat. Support orders are not entered at the whim of a judge. And the parties thereto don't get to decide when to stop complying with them. Glad to see things work both ways in this court.

L Ron Hubbard is still alive?

skinink: Goony goo goo.

Seconded.

Gwendolyn: She's back on spousal support to a drunk man who beats his kids. Next time someone biatches about how unfair the courts are to men I'm referencing this.

Divorce sucks for whomever was making the most. End of story.

Spousal support sucks. It shouldn't exist.

Child support is fine but spousal support is lunacy,

Hayes-White says she stopped paying support about 14 months ago, after an incident in which her ex-hubby, Robert "Sean" White, grabbed and choked one of their sons while in a booze-fueled rage.

I farking hate this word. If you are trying to be a serious reporter, the word is "husband." "Hubby" makes it sound like you write for one of the supermarket tabloid toilet-paper rags.

Why do they say "garnisheeing"? Wouldn't it just be "garnishing"? The garnishee would be the person whose wages are being garnished, and the person doing the garnishing would be the garnisher (or garnishor).

Didn't see this anywhere, so thought I'd share:

'Obama was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii': President's OWN literary agency promotional booklet from 1991 claims he WAS born in AfricaPromotional authors pamphlet from publishing imprint Acton & Dystel says Obama - then president of the Harvard Law Review - was 'born in Kenya'
Pamphlet edited by now-Dystal & Goderich literary editor Miriam Goderich
President Obama published Hawaiian birth certificate last year in hopes to end 'birther' theories


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146034/Obama-born-Kenya-raise d-Indonesia-Hawaii-Presidents-literary-agency-promotional-booklet-1991 -claims-WAS-born-Africa.html#ixzz1vDYeFDjg

Link

"A judge has declared San Francisco Fire Chief Joanne Hayes-White a deadbeat divorcee"

Couldn't think of a better d-word here, Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross? Both of you who happen to make a single Chronicle Columnist... apparently?

Who forms the head, by the way?

PsiChi: Didn't see this anywhere, so thought I'd share:

'Obama was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii': President's OWN literary agency promotional booklet from 1991 claims he WAS born in AfricaPromotional authors pamphlet from publishing imprint Acton & Dystel says Obama - then president of the Harvard Law Review - was 'born in Kenya'
Pamphlet edited by now-Dystal & Goderich literary editor Miriam Goderich
President Obama published Hawaiian birth certificate last year in hopes to end 'birther' theories


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146034/Obama-born-Kenya-raise d-Indonesia-Hawaii-Presidents-literary-agency-promotional-booklet-1991 -claims-WAS-born-Africa.html#ixzz1vDYeFDjg

Link

Golf clap.

I'd expect a woman fireman to be pretty masculine physically.
There are some pretty strict physical requirements to be a fireman and it doesn't really fit well with a model body type

Not sure what subby's going on about.

jmr61: Yep. She's a deadbeat. Support orders are not entered at the whim of a judge. And the parties thereto don't get to decide when to stop complying with them. Glad to see things work both ways in this court.

I hate to contradict you, but your characterisation of her as a 'deadbeat' seems to be based on what appears to be your trust in the judicial process. Having been a legal assistant in a family law case for several months now, and having been asked to investigate the patterns of sentencing by a particular judge, it seems to *me* that the stereotype does hold true in at least some cases: Support orders *are* sometimes entered at the whim of a judge. (Or at least, this particular judge has an uncommonly unlucky record of seeing bad dads, from the numbers.) Others here appear to be right: whoever makes the most gets hit the most, and that might even be arguably fair. But I think you overreach in assuming that family law magistrates do not express prejudice. I think they do, and I even think that some of them get into it for that reason, in the same way that police work attracts people with thug mentalities.

Cybernetic: garnisheeing

It's one of those peculiar language habits of law, like saying that someone was "hanged" (instead of "hung") or that you grant your property to someone for "divers" (instead of "diverse") consideration, or that a hearing was "holden" (instead of "held"). It's odd in modern English, but it's common in law. One reason for this is that certain words and usages like this enjoy discrete definition by being unusual: that is, the legal meaning is less potentially ambiguous. Another is just that law in general tends to be very old-fashioned and conservative. It sees itself as an ancient institution that holds society together and helps it to function smoothly, and there's an innate resistance to change, for fear of threatening its integrity. Hell, I know lawyers who still use "the Year of Our Lord" in instruments.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Cybernetic: garnisheeing

It's one of those peculiar language habits of law, like saying that someone was "hanged" (instead of "hung") or that you grant your property to someone for "divers" (instead of "diverse") consideration, or that a hearing was "holden" (instead of "held"). It's odd in modern English, but it's common in law. One reason for this is that certain words and usages like this enjoy discrete definition by being unusual: that is, the legal meaning is less potentially ambiguous. Another is just that law in general tends to be very old-fashioned and conservative. It sees itself as an ancient institution that holds society together and helps it to function smoothly, and there's an innate resistance to change, for fear of threatening its integrity. Hell, I know lawyers who still use "the Year of Our Lord" in instruments.

Providence, 1. May Brother:- My honour'd Antient Friende, due Respects and earnest Wishes to Him whom we serue for yr eternall Power. I am just come upon That which you ought to knowe, concern'g the Matter of the Laste Extremitie and what to doe regard'g yt. I am not dispos'd to followe you in go'g Away on acct. of my Yeares, for Prouidence hath not ye Sharpeness of ye Bay in hunt'g oute uncommon Things and bringinge to Tryall. I am ty'd up in Shippes and Goodes, and cou'd not doe as you did, besides the Whiche my Farme at Patuxet hath under it What you Knowe, and wou'd not waite for my com'g Backe as an Other. But I am unreadie for harde Fortunes, as I haue tolde you, and haue longe work'd upon ye Way of get'g Backe after ye Laste. I laste Night strucke on ye Wordes that bringe up YOGGE-SOTHOTHE, and sawe for ye first Time that Face spoke of by Ibn Schacabao in ye ------. And IT said, that ye III Psalme in ye Liber-Damnatus holdes ye Clauicle. With Sunne in V House, Saturne in Trine, drawe ye Pentagram of Fire, and saye ye ninth Uerse thrice. This Uerse repeate eache Roodemas and Hallow's Eue; and ye Thing will breede in ye Outside Spheres. And of ye Seede of Olde shal One be borne who shal looke Backe, tho' know'g not what he seekes. Yett will this auaile Nothing if there be no Heir, and if the Saltes, or the Way to make the Saltes, bee not Readie for his Hande; and here I will owne, I haue not taken needed Stepps nor founde Much. Ye Process is plaguy harde to come neare; and it used up such a Store of Specimens, I am harde putte to it to get Enough, notwithstand'g the Sailors I haue from ye Indies. Ye People aboute are become curious, but I can stande them off. Ye Gentry are worse that the Populace, be'g more Circumstantiall in their Accts. and more belieu'd in what they tell. That Parson and Mr. Merritt haue talk'd Some, I am fearfull, but no Thing soe far is Dangerous. Ye Chymical Substances are easie of get'g, there be'g II. goode Chymists in Towne, Dr, Bowen and Sam: Carew. I am foll'g oute what Borellus saith, and haue Helpe in Abdool Al-Hazred his VII. Booke. Whateuer I gette, you shal haue. And in ye meane while, do not neglect to make use of ye Wordes I haue here giuen. I haue them Righte, but if you Desire to see HIM, imploy the Writings on ye Piece of ------ that I am putt'g in this Packet. Saye ye Uerses euery Roodmas and Hallow's Eue; and if ye Line runn out not, one shal bee in yeares to come that shal looke backe and use what Saltes or Stuff for Saltes you shal leaue him. Job XIV. XIV. I rejoice you are again at Salem, and hope I may see you not longe hence. I haue a goode Stallion, and am think'g of get'g a Coach, there be'g one (Mr. Merritt's) in Prouidence already, tho' ye Roades are bad. If you are dispos'd to Trauel, doe not pass me bye. From Boston take ye Post Rd. thro' Dedham, Wrentham, and Attleborough, goode Tauerns be'g at all these Townes. Stop at Mr. Balcom's in Wrentham, where ye Beddes are finer than Mr. Hatch's, but eate at ye other House for their Cooke is better. Turne into Prou. by Patucket Falls, and ye Rd. past Mr. Sayles's Tauern. My House opp. Mr. Epenetus Olney's Tauern off ye Towne Street, Ist on ye N. side of Olney's Court. Distance from Boston Stone abt. XLIV Miles. Sir, I am ye olde and true Friend and Serut. in Almonsin-Metraton. Josephus C. To Mr. Simon Orne, William's-Lane, in Salem.

She's tough. I bet she could lick any other woman on the force!

Yea, that's.... wait, 302k a year?

That's a woman? Wow. Uh, ok...moving on...

Yep, you gotta pay chief. Not just when you want to, it is the same as any other spousal support decree.

Money's tight as a single parent, so what? Time to get bootstrappy.

And here's her sister

/only the early hour explains how I'm the first with this

SkunkWerks:

Is that available in English?

/Yes, I know.

The Peril Sensitive Sunglasses activated just in time.

Cybernetic: SkunkWerks:

Is that available in English?

/Yes, I know.

Personally, I find it alarming that lawmakers take after Joesph Curwen...

So Ray Liotta is playing a fire chief in his next movie? Looks pretty good. Might go see it.

PsiChi: Didn't see this anywhere, so thought I'd share:

'Obama was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii': President's OWN literary agency promotional booklet from 1991 claims he WAS born in AfricaPromotional authors pamphlet from publishing imprint Acton & Dystel says Obama - then president of the Harvard Law Review - was 'born in Kenya'
Pamphlet edited by now-Dystal & Goderich literary editor Miriam Goderich
President Obama published Hawaiian birth certificate last year in hopes to end 'birther' theories


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146034/Obama-born-Kenya-raise d-Indonesia-Hawaii-Presidents-literary-agency-promotional-booklet-1991 -claims-WAS-born-Africa.html#ixzz1vDYeFDjg

Link

Less than a year under your belt, zero greenlights, nothing intelligent to say, AND a threadjacker? Pray tell, is there *anything* at all redeeming about you?

I mean, other than being a transparent alt of someone slightly less useless.

Juc: I'd expect a woman fireman to be pretty masculine physically.
There are some pretty strict physical requirements to be a fireman and it doesn't really fit well with a model body type

Not sure what subby's going on about.

Subby is 14 and thinks everyone else is, too.

Does it seriously take a $300,000 salary to attract a qualified fire chief? Good lord.

Tommy Moo: Does it seriously take a $300,000 salary to attract a qualified fire chief? Good lord.

San Francisco's got a thing about fire.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: San Francisco's got a thing about fire.

But it's not a fiery thing about fire, and that's what's important here.

Wait, which one has a vagina? I'm stumped.

If she didn't want to pay support she should've worn a condom.

She's divorced from a man? Good heavens.

She should get him to pay child support, that ought to get some of the spousal support money back.
(I am not a lawyer nor do I portray one on TV)

Hayes-White says she stopped paying support about 14 months ago, after an incident in which her ex-hubby, Robert "Sean" White, grabbed and choked one of their sons while in a booze-fueled rage.

She didn't like his actions, so she unilaterally stopped payments?



Court-sanctioned settlements don't work that way!

zzrhardy: Gwendolyn: She's back on spousal support to a drunk man who beats his kids. Next time someone biatches about how unfair the courts are to men I'm referencing this.

Divorce sucks for whomever was making the most. End of story.

Spousal support sucks. It shouldn't exist.

Child support is fine but spousal support is lunacy,

It makes sense in arrangements where one spouse forgoes education and careering to act as the homemaker. Kind of a rough on grandma if grandpa decides to leave with his pension and bang hookers with his time remaining.

That said, it would be a cold day in hell before I shoved money towards my ex after all the insanity she pulled.

Maybe something where X years marriage -> Y years potential support. If things go under in a year, nada. After 40 years, you might need to support the spouse a while. That seems fair. Naturally, base it all on amount earned between spouses to determine who owes who ( if anyone ) and that should do it.

Not knowing the laws, this may be exactly how it works anyways.

Gwendolyn: She's back on spousal support to a drunk man who beats his kids. Next time someone biatches about how unfair the courts are to men I'm referencing this.

Divorce sucks for whomever was making the most. End of story.

Well she is not exactly parent of the year either since she had the cops called after hitting him but he got jail since she figured its an easy way to quit paying. Either way the kids seem to be the losers in this scenario.

Gwendolyn: She's back on spousal support to a drunk man who beats his kids. Next time someone biatches about how unfair the courts are to men I'm referencing this.

Divorce sucks for whomever was making the most. End of story.

The man was receiving "spousal support" not child support (the woman still has custody it sounds like from the article). Even in cases where the man has custody of the children, if his income far surpasses hers he'll still end up paying spousal support aka alimony.

Alimony is independent on who has custody of the children, it's meant to be support of the spouse him/herself.

My issue with this woman? Stopping making payments without getting it cleared by the courts first. No, lady, I don't care if your childcare costs are mounting, you were court ordered to pay spousal support to that loser who were dumb enough to marry originally, lawyer up like an adult if you don't like it.
/parents were divorced, learned much about the gender-based bullshiat behind it

TheOther: Court-sanctioned settlements don't work that way!

Apparently neither do reports of child abuse. In fact, they don't appear to work at all, since, yanno, mom never bothered to file one (I'm guessing).

Protip: having third-party records of stuff that happens- as the proper authorities are wont to keep when such things occur- tends to make you look a lot less like you're, yanno, making stuff up later when you want to use it as an excuse to not pay child support.

Protip2: When at a court hearing where much of the underlying pretext is assessing whether or not you are a responsible parent (even in absentee) it doesn't much improve your image when you basically say that you ceased to provide monetary support to your children because your husband is abusing them. The natural question in the heads of the third-party observer is "and this helps them... how?"

You all going on making digs at her gender are playing into misogynistic stereotypes. She's not wearing make-up, and her Donald Trumpish haircut is not particularly feminine, but if either of those things were different you wouldn't be questioning the validity of her gender. Maybe she is a lesbian, and maybe she's not. It's an unfortunate truth that a women who take on roles, particularly leadership roles, in traditionally male professions must, to be taken seriously, de-sex themselves. It's only people in my office that assume I'm a lesbian because I necessarily leave all the femininity at home. I find that a frustrating stereotype.

Her ex sounds like a wad that doesn't deserve spousal support. I hope she can legally contest this.

Max Headroom has really let himself go.

WTFDYW: Her ex is a real tool.

Is no one else reading the part about how she tried to break what appears to be beer glasses over his head? One which she got glossed over? Then when it suited her she had her buddy make sure the book got thrown at the ex, then immediately stopped paying shiat to him?

Lets quit acting like she's the rational one, they are both drunks but she had the power to make sure he went to jail. I would sue the city and police chief if I were him.