Sabyen91: Smackledorfer: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

Gat00, troll or closet authoritarian?

He certainly has a gigantic blind spot when it comes to pot. I would be interested to see what caused it. I am guessing it involves a girl.

He does have a large blind spot when it comes to the specifics of weed and drug legalization. He is pretty authoritarian about it. There probably are specifics to his views, someone close to him who threw their life away to drugs or who knows, but I don't want to give him too much of a hard time about it, I used to believe the exact same things based on my own personal experiences at the time. I'm sure he will loosen up about it just like the rest of us have.

I've never smoked it in my life, but I have seen its prohibition cause more harm than the drug itself ever could.

coco ebert
Ed Finnerty: What, exactly, is this Judge's voting record on related cases?

It's sad that people turn to such opinions only when they are so sick they feel empathy for others.

Sometimes that's what it takes...
Worked in a hospital once where one of the physicians was one of the old-school "Man up, Nancy!" types...it was almost impossible to get him to prescribe enough pain medication to keep his post-surgery patients comfortable.
He'd never been sick a day in his life, so had no idea what all the fuss was about...until the day his gall bladder said "Fark you, buddy...I'm gonna throw stones at you then I'm outta here!"
This was back in the early 80's, so there was a pretty impressive incision involved with this kind of surgery.

Guy did a complete 180 on his veiw toward medication...and was a big enough man to apologize to not only his patients, but the nurses with whom he'd worked (and who had cared for him post-surgery).

BARBARIC! Barbaric.

GAT_00: Ryan2065: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

I see no legitimate reason to deny it to anyone 18+

My refusal to fully back it is because I view the majority of supporters are nothing more than stoners looking to circumvent the laws. They care nothing of medical ethics, they just want to snicker and pretend they are sick and ask for weed. Look at how many dispensaries have nothing to do with medicine. I refuse to support such activity.

Problem is, you're assuming that stoners would be normal, productive people if only they didn't have ready access to weed. I submit to you that stoners are just slackers who would be as useless if they didn't have pot, just that they wouldn't be high while they lay around surfing or playing video games all day long.

Make weed legal, let them pay for it and be worthless losers on their own dime. Society won't lose anything by it, trust me.

(I have no idea if that's really YOUR viewpoint, Gat, just that many people seem to think that stoners would miraculously become upright citizens if only there was no demon weed around. I have known enough potheads to be sure this is not the case)

Oh, look, a marijuana legalization thread ruined by the ever-so-liberal GAT_00. That's a new one.

It's threads like this that make me think my vanguardist black bloc comrades that I usually want to scream at until their heads explode might have a point about "reformist liberals" after all.

MyRandomName: Clue number A to you being a moron was saying Gat was 99.9% right about anything.

Says the wingnut who has never been right about anything.

Wessoman: GAT has probably left the thread, but I don't know how a sane person would keep an important medication illegal just because "He doesn't want to see it abused".

To anybody who wants to keep Marijuana illegal because "They don't want to see it abused"--That didn't stop Rush Limbaugh from abusing Oxycontin. That didn't stop Brett Favre from abusing Vicodin. People go into AA all the time. Heck, the guy at Steak and Shake is probably abusing the Whipped Cream in the kitchen. All of those things are legal. And there is nothing that you or the government or Seal Team 6 or anybody can do about idiots that want a headchange. Plain and simple.

Marijuana should be legal. It is a medication. Plain and simple. If you want to keep it illegal because a California Pot dispensary is giving out weed to college kids with "Back Spasms", then why in the wide world of sports is the housewife in Utah completely free to "ask her Doctor" about the latest and greatest antidepressant drug for her "Anxiety"?

I mean, seriously, people.

Like I said, people with Gat's point of view--otherwise normal people who oppose legalization--often have the idea that potheads would be less wastes of space without the pot. It may be from overuse of those stupid Partnership for A Drug-Free America ads, that promote the idea that pot makes you stupid and worthless, like the old Prohibitionist idea that Demon Rum caused crime and depravity. In reality, of course, stupid worthless people overuse pot as an excuse to explain why they lay around all day and get nothing done. Take away the pot, and those same people would find another reason to lay around all day and get nothing done--their old football injury or the undiagnosed depression, perhaps.

People who smoke pot recreationally do so like anyone who drinks recreationally: they do a couple hits after work or on weekends and no one would ever know it. They're not any more likely to abuse weed than people who drink a glass of wine after work or a few beers on the weekend. The only thing legalization would do is keep them from losing their jobs when the boss springs a surprise drug test.

MyRandomName: Clue number A to you being a moron was saying Gat was 99.9% right about anything. Clue number 2 is saying gat is logically consistent in any arguments.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Care to explain with actual, you know, examples?

Do you have a man crush?

... a little.

Ow! That was my feelings!: Serious Black: LabGrrl: Serious Black:
I have heard of four deaths that were directly attributed to using Marinol and none from marijuana.

Well, "direct attribution" is the rub, isn't it? There isn't a single damn plant on the planet that lighting it on fire and breathing the smoke is a good idea for. Not a one. That's why when a non-smoker is diagnosed with lung disease they start asking you about the other shiat you smoke, incense you burn, candles you burn, if you like to ride a bicycle in forest fires, etc., and keep doing so until they finally believe you when they cut open your damn lung and see there isn't any resinous material type damage there.

Ever heard of a vaporizer? Those things are the shiat. I rarely use pot without it.

Not only that, but THC can be infused into butter or oil and that can be used to bake/cook almost anything you can think of. Edibles are hugely popular and often more effective than smoking it. Tinctures are also available, basically liquid THC that can be mixed into a drink.

(Cancer patients and AIDS sufferers often have to smoke it because they can't tolerate swallowing food due to the nausea caused by the drugs they take and/or chemotherapy)