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(The New York Times)   New York State Supreme Court Justice, suffering from pancreatic cancer, begs state legislature to legalize medical marijuana: "It is barbaric to deny us access to one substance that has proved to ameliorate our suffering"   (nytimes.com) divider line 320
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2012-05-17 10:38:17 PM  

violentsalvation: cman: I am gonna make an assumption that I am probably the only one in this thread who thinks heroin and methamphetamine (and all drugs) should be legalized.

Please prove me wrong. I hate being *that guy* alone in a thread

violentsalvation: Since, you know, as an adult, I "own" my body, I should be able to put whatever the heck I want in it.


I wasn't done typing I don't know what I hit but it added the comment before I was done.

No you are not the only one cman
 
2012-05-17 10:38:22 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00:

False equivalence is false.

yes, but your entire argument is one giant false equivalence.


Well you've sure smacked me down hard with all of that. Have you come too to not read what I've written and tell me I'm wrong about wider subjects I'm not actually discussing?
 
2012-05-17 10:39:12 PM  

violentsalvation: violentsalvation: cman: I am gonna make an assumption that I am probably the only one in this thread who thinks heroin and methamphetamine (and all drugs) should be legalized.

Please prove me wrong. I hate being *that guy* alone in a thread

violentsalvation: Since, you know, as an adult, I "own" my body, I should be able to put whatever the heck I want in it.

I wasn't done typing I don't know what I hit but it added the comment before I was done.

No you are not the only one cman


Happens to me, too. You probably hit TAB and then pressed the space bar.
 
2012-05-17 10:40:14 PM  

violentsalvation: violentsalvation: cman: I am gonna make an assumption that I am probably the only one in this thread who thinks heroin and methamphetamine (and all drugs) should be legalized.

Please prove me wrong. I hate being *that guy* alone in a thread

violentsalvation: Since, you know, as an adult, I "own" my body, I should be able to put whatever the heck I want in it.

I wasn't done typing I don't know what I hit but it added the comment before I was done.

No you are not the only one cman


It worked as is though.
 
2012-05-17 10:40:38 PM  

cman: violentsalvation: violentsalvation: cman: I am gonna make an assumption that I am probably the only one in this thread who thinks heroin and methamphetamine (and all drugs) should be legalized.

Please prove me wrong. I hate being *that guy* alone in a thread

violentsalvation: Since, you know, as an adult, I "own" my body, I should be able to put whatever the heck I want in it.

I wasn't done typing I don't know what I hit but it added the comment before I was done.

No you are not the only one cman

Happens to me, too. You probably hit TAB and then pressed the space bar.


Ok gonna try ...
 
2012-05-17 10:42:10 PM  
I guess that was it.
 
2012-05-17 10:43:46 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:

False equivalence is false.

yes, but your entire argument is one giant false equivalence.

Well you've sure smacked me down hard with all of that. Have you come too to not read what I've written and tell me I'm wrong about wider subjects I'm not actually discussing?


defensive much? I skimmed the thread, and here you are repeating the same tired old rote statements about hippies and cannabis. dude, just suck it up and admit that you have no logical reason for keeping marijuana illegal. I get it, you hate hippies. what we're all telling you is that you shouldn't let your hatred of hippies force people in pain to suffer needlessly.
 
2012-05-17 10:45:17 PM  

violentsalvation: I guess that was it.


Hey, I said I was going to send you that paper didn't I? Need to make myself a note for when I have something more than my phone.
 
2012-05-17 10:47:08 PM  
Legalize it.
 
2012-05-17 10:49:05 PM  

GAT_00: violentsalvation: I guess that was it.

Hey, I said I was going to send you that paper didn't I? Need to make myself a note for when I have something more than my phone.


Yeah send it to me when you think of it. And let me know in a thread, because like you I don't check that email very often either.
 
2012-05-17 11:09:09 PM  

Ryan2065: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

I see no legitimate reason to deny it to anyone 18+


this this and more this
legalize all drugs
legalize prostitution
How about we try 10 years of this after wasting so many decades with the old war on BS??

/oh yes - WHY the fark is this asshole talking NOW that he has cancer? WHERE the fark was he 10, 20, 30 years ago? ASSHOLE
 
2012-05-17 11:20:46 PM  

GAT_00: Or just makes the rules to authorize it a lot harder to knock that shiat off. It wouldn't be hard. But the stoners who are the backers of this don't want that, so you're left with an idea with promise backed by a legion of worthless morons.


Pictures of what a legion of worthless morons might look like:

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2012-05-17 11:38:44 PM  

GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.


Why? What's wrong with people getting stoned if they want to?
 
2012-05-17 11:41:26 PM  

Fair_Poopsmith: Ryan2065: GAT_00: My refusal to fully back it is because I view the majority of supporters are nothing more than stoners looking to circumvent the laws. They care nothing of medical ethics, they just want to snicker and pretend they are sick and ask for weed. Look at how many dispensaries have nothing to do with medicine. I refuse to support such activity

GAT_00: Or just makes the rules to authorize it a lot harder to knock that shiat off. It wouldn't be hard. But the stoners who are the backers of this don't want that, so you're left with an idea with promise backed by a legion of worthless morons.

Or just legalize it...

He will not budge on this. I have him farkied as "99.9% right about everything, but tragically abused by pot smokers as a child."


I wonder how much Drew could get for the ability to see who's favorited you and the comments they've left themselves about you.
 
2012-05-17 11:41:58 PM  

Lillith: Living in NYC and watching my mother fighting the loosing battle with lung cancer I have to say I deeply agree with this op-ed.

While I dont want her smoking I could and would make any type of food with it for her. But while I have no problem getting it for her, the 1950s law and order mentality of doing something "illegal" prevents her from accepting this. If the law changed I might be able to get her to take it, and I could keep her from dipping lower than the 98lbs she is now at 5'7".


Seriously? You wouldn't like your terminal mother smoking?
 
2012-05-17 11:42:37 PM  
There are plenty of things that alleviate the pain of pancreatic cancer, and I'm certain there are plenty of doctors willing to prescribe that medication. The most obvious one (for purposes of this discussion) is synthetic THC tablets.
 
2012-05-17 11:42:42 PM  

cepson: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

Why? What's wrong with people getting stoned if they want to?


If people get stoned for no reason, they won't drink as much alcohol or smoke as many cigarettes. Just think of the damage it would do to the booze and tobacco industries!
 
2012-05-17 11:43:45 PM  
And so it...begins?

Seriously, I'd love to see an end to the "pot is illegal" idiocy once and for all. In the next 5 years.
 
2012-05-17 11:43:49 PM  

SunsetLament: There are plenty of things that alleviate the pain of pancreatic cancer, and I'm certain there are plenty of doctors willing to prescribe that medication. The most obvious one (for purposes of this discussion) is synthetic THC tablets.


So the tablets are NOT actually pot? So,,,it is better?
 
2012-05-17 11:44:07 PM  

GAT_00: Fair_Poopsmith: GAT_00:
False equivalence is false. The equivalence would be 'gay pe ...

Again, I say... You're not wrong about any of this, but it has no bearing on your conclusion that there is value in keeping criminal penalties for an unspecified cannabis-using lifestyle.

And where have I said anything about that?

GAT_00: I'm saying make sure it can't be abused.


I'm not sure how you plan to do this without 1) taking for granted that it's possible to "abuse" cannabis any more than you can abuse food (watching Dave Chappelle movies and eating chips while being sort of lazy may really stick in your craw, but it doesn't constitute "abuse") 2) drawing an arbitrary line somewhere, 3) enacting criminal penalties for crossing said line.
 
2012-05-17 11:44:52 PM  

whidbey: And so it...begins?

Seriously, I'd love to see an end to the "pot is illegal" idiocy once and for all. In the next 5 years.


I have only tried it twice and I was blasted off my ass on alcohol so it did nothing for me but if cigs and alcohol are legal so should weed be.
 
2012-05-17 11:45:46 PM  

Fair_Poopsmith: GAT_00: Fair_Poopsmith: GAT_00:
False equivalence is false. The equivalence would be 'gay pe ...

Again, I say... You're not wrong about any of this, but it has no bearing on your conclusion that there is value in keeping criminal penalties for an unspecified cannabis-using lifestyle.

And where have I said anything about that?

GAT_00: I'm saying make sure it can't be abused.

I'm not sure how you plan to do this without 1) taking for granted that it's possible to "abuse" cannabis any more than you can abuse food (watching Dave Chappelle movies and eating chips while being sort of lazy may really stick in your craw, but it doesn't constitute "abuse") 2) drawing an arbitrary line somewhere, 3) enacting criminal penalties for crossing said line.


I abuse my penis every day. It is still not illegal (though I wouldn't put it past Republicans to pass a law...)
 
2012-05-17 11:46:31 PM  

SunsetLament: There are plenty of things that alleviate the pain of pancreatic cancer, and I'm certain there are plenty of doctors willing to prescribe that medication. The most obvious one (for purposes of this discussion) is synthetic THC tablets.


If you would RTFA, you'd see that the judge tried Marinol and found that it did nothing for his symptoms. You could also look up overdose statistics and see that every reported overdose on THC could be directly attributed to using synthetic THC rather than the natural stuff.
 
2012-05-17 11:46:52 PM  

SunsetLament: There are plenty of things that alleviate the pain of pancreatic cancer, and I'm certain there are plenty of doctors willing to prescribe that medication. The most obvious one (for purposes of this discussion) is synthetic THC tablets.


The oral synthetic substitute, Marinol, prescribed by my doctors, was useless.


Still as dumb as ever, I see.
 
2012-05-17 11:47:16 PM  

GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.


Gat00, troll or closet authoritarian?
 
2012-05-17 11:47:40 PM  

GAT_00: Ryan2065: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

I see no legitimate reason to deny it to anyone 18+

My refusal to fully back it is because I view the majority of supporters are nothing more than stoners looking to circumvent the laws. They care nothing of medical ethics, they just want to snicker and pretend they are sick and ask for weed. Look at how many dispensaries have nothing to do with medicine. I refuse to support such activity.


It's not like they're farking murdering people.
 
2012-05-17 11:48:42 PM  

Smackledorfer: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

Gat00, troll or closet authoritarian?


c: member of the Board of Directors for a major pharmaceutical or liquor corporation
 
2012-05-17 11:49:42 PM  

Smackledorfer: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

Gat00, troll or closet authoritarian?


He certainly has a gigantic blind spot when it comes to pot. I would be interested to see what caused it. I am guessing it involves a girl.
 
2012-05-17 11:49:45 PM  

cman: I am gonna make an assumption that I am probably the only one in this thread who thinks heroin and methamphetamine (and all drugs) should be legalized.

Please prove me wrong. I hate being *that guy* alone in a thread


Heroin, no. Meth, no. Xanax and Ritalin without prescriptions, yes.
 
2012-05-17 11:50:01 PM  
I hope this judge loses his job. He is admitting to criminal behavior while he sits in judgement of the law.

Such a hypocrite.. he must be a democrat.
 
2012-05-17 11:51:38 PM  

Serious Black: cepson: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

Why? What's wrong with people getting stoned if they want to?

If people get stoned for no reason, they won't drink as much alcohol or smoke as many cigarettes. Just think of the damage it would do to the booze and tobacco industries!


I agree with you, but people don't get stoned for no reason. They get stoned because they enjoy it. It feels good. Maybe it alleviates physical or psychological pain. Maybe it makes other activities more enjoyable. There may also be bad reasons to get stoned. It's obvious why alcohol companies wouldn't want that type of competition. But people who support medical marijuana and oppose recreational marijuana can never explain why recreational use is wrong, other than by appealing to morality.
 
2012-05-17 11:51:47 PM  

YELLOL: I hope this judge loses his job. He is admitting to criminal behavior while he sits in judgement of the law.

Such a hypocrite.. he must be a democrat.


I believe Megaman has a facial expression for you.
 
2012-05-17 11:51:52 PM  

Sabyen91: Smackledorfer: GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.

Gat00, troll or closet authoritarian?

He certainly has a gigantic blind spot when it comes to pot. I would be interested to see what caused it. I am guessing it involves a girl.


Or the windfall he stands to claim as heir to the Coors fortune. Or the cartel he's running in Juarez that can't very well make a profit if the Americans start growing their own.
 
2012-05-17 11:52:41 PM  

Sabyen91: whidbey: And so it...begins?

Seriously, I'd love to see an end to the "pot is illegal" idiocy once and for all. In the next 5 years.

I have only tried it twice and I was blasted off my ass on alcohol so it did nothing for me but if cigs and alcohol are legal so should weed be.


It took a few times of smoking it to realize what being high was.

It isn't for everybody. I can think of quite a few people I grew up with saying they gave it up because it gives them the heebie jeebies now when they smoke it.

But fark yeah people (like me) who enjoy smoking it shouldn't have to be hassled by the Man anymore. What is this, 1959?
 
2012-05-17 11:52:46 PM  

Aarontology: GAT_00: Chameleon: GAT_00: My refusal to fully back it is because I view the majority of supporters are nothing more than stoners looking to circumvent the laws. They care nothing of medical ethics, they just want to snicker and pretend they are sick and ask for weed. Look at how many dispensaries have nothing to do with medicine. I refuse to support such activity.

While I agree that seeing "medical" pot shops with shiatty pun names that cater to college kids with "back problems" is annoying as all damn hell, that's still not a good reason to keep it illegal. In fact, by legalizing pot completely, you'd get medical usage to gain back respectibility and authenticity since they can start, you know, actually providing it to medical patients.

Or just makes the rules to authorize it a lot harder to knock that shiat off. It wouldn't be hard. But the stoners who are the backers of this don't want that, so you're left with an idea with promise backed by a legion of worthless morons.

And yet, in every war on drugs thread you blame conservatives.

Yet here you are, the ever loyal drug warrior. Allowing people like the judge here to suffer needlessly because you hate stoners.

You complain about people mocking medical ethics, yet you support policies that allow tremendous amounts of suffering.

But hey, people living in agony are acceptable casualties in Gat's war on weed.


he does this in every marijuana thread. He for some reason has always been against the legalization of it on the broad scope which seems to go against everything he rails against in other threads, it's pretty moronic to say the least.
 
2012-05-17 11:53:25 PM  

Chameleon: While I agree that seeing "medical" pot shops with shiatty pun names that cater to college kids with "back problems" is annoying as all damn hell, that's still not a good reason to keep it illegal.


The idea that every 20-something who claims "back problems" doesn't really have them is retarded also. I was in a pretty bad car accident when I was 23, and my back hasn't been right since. But, you know, constant pain is cool if nobody else can see you have it.
 
2012-05-17 11:53:37 PM  
Supreme Court judge in New York doesn't mean what you think it means, Subby.
 
2012-05-17 11:55:46 PM  

davidphogan: Chameleon: While I agree that seeing "medical" pot shops with shiatty pun names that cater to college kids with "back problems" is annoying as all damn hell, that's still not a good reason to keep it illegal.

The idea that every 20-something who claims "back problems" doesn't really have them is retarded also. I was in a pretty bad car accident when I was 23, and my back hasn't been right since. But, you know, constant pain is cool if nobody else can see you have it.


I am for legalization but "stress-related symptoms" has become a pretty common prescription.
 
2012-05-17 11:56:06 PM  

GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.


I'll bite...Why?
 
2012-05-17 11:56:41 PM  

YELLOL: I hope this judge loses his job. He is admitting to criminal behavior while he sits in judgement of the law.

Such a hypocrite.. he must be a democrat.


There are approximately 100 million Americans who have used marijuana in the past or are currently using today. Are all of them hardened criminals who should be thrown in jail?
 
2012-05-17 11:57:42 PM  
Typical - "I'm against X until X affects me or my family personally, then I support X".

I'm going to assume a Republican.
 
2012-05-17 11:57:56 PM  

GAT_00: I don't have a problem with it in principle, and I see no legitimate reason to deny it to people like this. But the guidelines for getting it have to be toughen up to stop stones.


So if stoners get it legally how will that affect your life?
 
2012-05-17 11:58:09 PM  

Serious Black: YELLOL: I hope this judge loses his job. He is admitting to criminal behavior while he sits in judgement of the law.

Such a hypocrite.. he must be a democrat.

There are approximately 100 million Americans who have used marijuana in the past or are currently using today. Are all of them hardened criminals who should be thrown in jail?


Depends, did they NOT pass after their puff?
 
2012-05-17 11:58:50 PM  

Sabyen91: whidbey: And so it...begins?

Seriously, I'd love to see an end to the "pot is illegal" idiocy once and for all. In the next 5 years.

I have only tried it twice and I was blasted off my ass on alcohol so it did nothing for me but if cigs and alcohol are legal so should weed be.


Pot has a multiplicative effect combined with booze ime.

it does feel different when used without booze. I prefer not mixing them tbh.
 
2012-05-17 11:59:15 PM  

Sabyen91: davidphogan: Chameleon: While I agree that seeing "medical" pot shops with shiatty pun names that cater to college kids with "back problems" is annoying as all damn hell, that's still not a good reason to keep it illegal.

The idea that every 20-something who claims "back problems" doesn't really have them is retarded also. I was in a pretty bad car accident when I was 23, and my back hasn't been right since. But, you know, constant pain is cool if nobody else can see you have it.

I am for legalization but "stress-related symptoms" has become a pretty common prescription.


That's because it's really farking good at relieving stress!
 
2012-05-17 11:59:31 PM  

sprgrss: Supreme Court judge in New York doesn't mean what you think it means, Subby.


As far as I know a New York Supreme Court judge is similar to a circuit court or superior court judge in other states
 
2012-05-17 11:59:38 PM  

davidphogan: Chameleon: While I agree that seeing "medical" pot shops with shiatty pun names that cater to college kids with "back problems" is annoying as all damn hell, that's still not a good reason to keep it illegal.

The idea that every 20-something who claims "back problems" doesn't really have them is retarded also. I was in a pretty bad car accident when I was 23, and my back hasn't been right since. But, you know, constant pain is cool if nobody else can see you have it.


When I was living in Colorado, I was a gainfully employed and contributing stoner. My girlfriend at the time had tried it once or twice in high school, but by and large merely tolerated my own smoking. One evening, she was having particularly rough menstrual cramps and asked for a hit. She took one more a couple minutes later, and was damn near as good as new for the rest of the night. Even after that, she never smoked casually, but for a few days every month, she was certainly glad I had some on hand. I'm pretty sure now that medical weed is legal in CO, she hasn't gone back to buying Midol.
 
2012-05-18 12:00:14 AM  

cman: I am gonna make an assumption that I am probably the only one in this thread who thinks heroin and methamphetamine (and all drugs) should be legalized.

Please prove me wrong. I hate being *that guy* alone in a thread


I not only agree with you, but think that not only should they all be legal, high-quality painkillers should be OTC and substance abuse treatment should be free, common, and available... .

...and that includes for that one stoner we all know who seems to exist solely to prove that *some* (not all) people cannot handle life with pot.

/Marijuana is not an option for me, ever, I'm allergic to the whole damn plant.
//And booze + the drugs for my autoimmune shiat= vomiting
///And anyone who thinks that it's easy for people with a legitimate concern like a 4inch open incision in their side to get narcotics has never been on them for more than a month.
I\ Legalize them all and stop lying about why you want them. In either order.
 
2012-05-18 12:01:01 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: Aarontology: GAT_00: Chameleon: GAT_00: My refusal to fully back it is because I view the majority of supporters are nothing more than stoners looking to circumvent the laws. They care nothing of medical ethics, they just want to snicker and pretend they are sick and ask for weed. Look at how many dispensaries have nothing to do with medicine. I refuse to support such activity.

While I agree that seeing "medical" pot shops with shiatty pun names that cater to college kids with "back problems" is annoying as all damn hell, that's still not a good reason to keep it illegal. In fact, by legalizing pot completely, you'd get medical usage to gain back respectibility and authenticity since they can start, you know, actually providing it to medical patients.

Or just makes the rules to authorize it a lot harder to knock that shiat off. It wouldn't be hard. But the stoners who are the backers of this don't want that, so you're left with an idea with promise backed by a legion of worthless morons.

And yet, in every war on drugs thread you blame conservatives.

Yet here you are, the ever loyal drug warrior. Allowing people like the judge here to suffer needlessly because you hate stoners.

You complain about people mocking medical ethics, yet you support policies that allow tremendous amounts of suffering.

But hey, people living in agony are acceptable casualties in Gat's war on weed.

he does this in every marijuana thread. He for some reason has always been against the legalization of it on the broad scope which seems to go against everything he rails against in other threads, it's pretty moronic to say the least.


This. After the last derpfest it was really hard to take comments I usually agree with in other threads seriously anymore.

Pot haters: worse than climate change deniers
 
2012-05-18 12:01:16 AM  

Smackledorfer: Sabyen91: whidbey: And so it...begins?

Seriously, I'd love to see an end to the "pot is illegal" idiocy once and for all. In the next 5 years.

I have only tried it twice and I was blasted off my ass on alcohol so it did nothing for me but if cigs and alcohol are legal so should weed be.

Pot has a multiplicative effect combined with booze ime.

it does feel different when used without booze. I prefer not mixing them tbh.


I am saying I was REALLY blasted. I mean close to passing out. It didn't have any effect. Well, except that I fell asleep but I would have anyway. Are you saying that is the effect I would feel if I wasn't degenerately loaded?
 
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