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(Maclean's)   Woman's Center = Groundbreaking. Men's Center = "A room with a PS3 and a bunch of douche bags playing video games"   (www2.macleans.ca) divider line 220
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2012-05-17 06:29:15 PM  
"a room with a PS3 and a bunch of douche bags playing video games"

They have this at my alma mater. It's call the wargamer club.

/proud member
 
2012-05-17 09:24:00 PM  
What is a men's center needed for?

Men can't be raped or abused! That's scientific fact!
 
2012-05-17 09:26:55 PM  
But women keep telling me that men don't talk or share.
 
2012-05-17 09:51:05 PM  
Wow, that's a lotta hate going on.

If they have the funding, this kinda thing might help some guy.
 
2012-05-17 10:01:58 PM  
You had me at kegerator.
 
2012-05-17 10:45:48 PM  
I dunno about you, but that sounds pretty good. Anyway, I'm gonna go play my PS3.
 
2012-05-17 11:39:52 PM  
Not seeing a problem here except I'd rather have an XBOX
 
2012-05-17 11:45:39 PM  

revrendjim: Not seeing a problem here except I'd rather have an XBOX


If this is a Men's Center, I don't see why we should have to choose...

One room has a PS3, One has an Xbox 360, one has a Wii.
 
2012-05-17 11:57:59 PM  
Feminism = Man Hate

How can you be surprised? Did none if you ever read that tripe in college? It's pretty awful.
 
2012-05-18 12:05:32 AM  
kreations.kaptainmyke.com
 
2012-05-18 12:12:02 AM  
Yup, for whatever reason it's just not OK to talk about men's problems in society. If you do, someone will inevitably try to marginalize or belittle the issue. Or they try to make it a competition, as though your problems only start to matter once you've hit some magic threshold for how bad your situation is.

Frankly, a Men's Center full of PS3's would be a great idea. If you don't fit the stereotypical concept of masculinity (athletic and aggressive) a lot of the traditional masculine spaces can be extremely intimidating for the modern man.
 
2012-05-18 12:38:21 AM  
The SFU Women's Centre's website makes it clear they think there is no need for this space because "the men's centre is everywhere else."

Link
 
2012-05-18 12:39:31 AM  
Underground Railroad = Freedom Lifeline for Slaves
Poker Table in Some Guy's Mom's Basement = Poker Table in Some Guy's Mom's Basement

Thanks a lot, LibFartBama.
 
2012-05-18 12:41:29 AM  
Meh, give the men a garage, a small tv with cable, a cooler with beer, and lawn chairs, and we have a damned awesome man cave.

/we're not complicated
 
2012-05-18 12:43:52 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: one has a Wii.


I thought it was a Men's Center?
 
2012-05-18 12:45:11 AM  
images.encyclopediadramatica.se
 
2012-05-18 12:48:34 AM  
www.sinfest.net
 
2012-05-18 12:50:39 AM  
WAIT!!!!!


So you're saying people want equality as long as it gives them more stuff then other people?

That's as crazy as suggesting people are for free speech... unless you didagree with me (in which case, STFU and DIAF).

People are NOT hypocrites. This article offends me.
 
2012-05-18 12:51:46 AM  
•disagree
 
2012-05-18 12:53:23 AM  
Awesome video, sounds like a lot of FARK threads, and numerous numerous blogs and tumblrs.
 
2012-05-18 12:54:16 AM  
What's wrong with a Men's Center? And what's wrong if they want it to be a room with a fridge and a pool or foosball table and some video games? Hell, they can hang a "NO GURLS ALOUD" sign on the door for all I care.

Why do feminists have to give the rest of us women a bad name by hating on men all the time? I think this is a great thing.

GO MEN!

/woman here, btw
//all for men's rights
///just don't call me "babe"
 
2012-05-18 12:56:11 AM  
I did not realize until just now how lucky I was to get through four years of college without hearing some idiot lecture me on the evils of "hegemonic patriarchy" or the need for things to be "trans-inclusive" or whatever it was the fat chick said.

Wait, I mean Differently Weighted Woman. Sorry.
 
2012-05-18 12:56:37 AM  
If men were to put constraints on the women's center, by defining who is must serve and what groups need to be marginalized, that would probably not go over so well.

But pretty quickly, the women in that ad were ready to put constraints onto the men's center, describing who it must serve, defining men and masculinity, and detailing who it must marginalize.

The women are also ready to explain how the representatives of the men's center weren't "the best men", and didn't have the right credentials.

Amusing.
 
2012-05-18 12:57:41 AM  

Fart_Machine: FirstNationalBastard: one has a Wii.

I thought it was a Men's Center?


I'm only going by the fact that you can get old NES and Super Nintendo games on the Wii.

If that offends you, howbout we just go for a NES and a Super Nintendo?

/and an Atari.
 
2012-05-18 12:57:41 AM  

RoyBatty: If men were to put constraints on the women's center, by defining who is must serve and what groups need to be marginalized, that would probably not go over so well.

But pretty quickly, the women in that ad were ready to put constraints onto the men's center, describing who it must serve, defining men and masculinity, and detailing who it must marginalize.

The women are also ready to explain how the representatives of the men's center weren't "the best men", and didn't have the right credentials.

Amusing.


Yeah, it's almost like women stereotype men, isn't it?
 
2012-05-18 12:57:50 AM  

Ed Finnerty: .


Well, not with WOMEN, of course!
 
2012-05-18 12:58:16 AM  
Yay!

Trolls at last!!
 
2012-05-18 12:59:49 AM  

change1211: The SFU Women's Centre's website makes it clear they think there is no need for this space because "the men's centre is everywhere else fark you, I got mine."

 
2012-05-18 01:00:04 AM  

change1211: The SFU Women's Centre's website makes it clear they think there is no need for this space because "the men's centre is everywhere else."

Link


SFU should STFU.
 
2012-05-18 01:02:21 AM  
Yep, had to counter a Women in Architecture group in college myself with a group named Testosterone & Architecture. Our logo could be found on mudflaps everywhere. Sold a lot of bumper stickers, and got biatched out by the dean. Good times.

/not such a CSB
 
2012-05-18 01:05:41 AM  
I'm not exactly sure that's a real video, and not a parody, because it was posted along with this description:

A passionate, pitiless and positive video postulates potential persecution as a product of poor policy planning and patriarchal privilege, proposing that a proclamation of purpose must precede the payment of planned disbursement. At SFU.

However, if it is a real video, and not a parody, it does its opposition a real favor. Normally, such an over the top video would be reasonably criticized for cherry picking who was chosen to speak, and even what they said.

If this is a real video and not a parody, well that argument flies out the window.
 
2012-05-18 01:07:35 AM  
I am so sick of "feminists".
 
2012-05-18 01:14:07 AM  
I spend 3 months of ever year recovering at my local "Mens Centre".

It's otherwise known as "Asia".
 
2012-05-18 01:15:40 AM  
Silly question (but I was never involved with any feminist group, so I don't know the answer): The video contributors said several times that their problem with the Men's Center is that it's theoretically not going to accept men who do not fit the stereotypical idea of masculinity. If I went to a Women's Center because I wanted to find a safe space to meet other women and I was a housewife BY CHOICE because I felt like my greatest calling in life is to be a wife and mother, would I be accepted at the Women's Center? In other words, is the Women's Center as inclusive as they're expecting the Men's Center to be?
 
2012-05-18 01:17:15 AM  
st00ge.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-18 01:18:24 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Fart_Machine: FirstNationalBastard: one has a Wii.

I thought it was a Men's Center?

I'm only going by the fact that you can get old NES and Super Nintendo games on the Wii.

If that offends you, howbout we just go for a NES and a Super Nintendo?

/and an Atari.


Curious: Can you get men's games? Like Ninja Gaiden and Battletoads? Or just the shiatty girly games that any member of today's youth could beat without Gamefaqs and otherwise cheating?
 
2012-05-18 01:23:12 AM  

RoyBatty: I'm not exactly sure that's a real video, and not a parody, because it was posted along with this description:

A passionate, pitiless and positive video postulates potential persecution as a product of poor policy planning and patriarchal privilege, proposing that a proclamation of purpose must precede the payment of planned disbursement. At SFU.

However, if it is a real video, and not a parody, it does its opposition a real favor. Normally, such an over the top video would be reasonably criticized for cherry picking who was chosen to speak, and even what they said.

If this is a real video and not a parody, well that argument flies out the window.


Sadly it isn't a joke, those people are serious. The main girl in the video is involved in the Woman's studies department.
 
2012-05-18 01:23:31 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What's wrong with a Men's Center? And what's wrong if they want it to be a room with a fridge and a pool or foosball table and some video games? Hell, they can hang a "NO GURLS ALOUD" sign on the door for all I care.

Why do feminists have to give the rest of us women a bad name by hating on men all the time? I think this is a great thing.

GO MEN!

/woman here, btw
//all for men's rights
///just don't call me "babe"


ok sexy
 
2012-05-18 01:26:20 AM  

morgantx: Silly question (but I was never involved with any feminist group, so I don't know the answer): The video contributors said several times that their problem with the Men's Center is that it's theoretically not going to accept men who do not fit the stereotypical idea of masculinity. If I went to a Women's Center because I wanted to find a safe space to meet other women and I was a housewife BY CHOICE because I felt like my greatest calling in life is to be a wife and mother, would I be accepted at the Women's Center? In other words, is the Women's Center as inclusive as they're expecting the Men's Center to be?


Yes? I mean I was a bit involved in the NOW club thing at my university and that was a bit of the gist of feminism. Equality for all and undoing sexism. The ability to choose and jazz filled with lesser issues or smaller points I didn't bother to learn.

I personally am a misanthropist however I posses two X chromosomes, a uterus, and am in compliance more or less with my societal gender role so I am for anything that allows me to benefit. Equality = good for me = good. Sexism = bad for me = bad in general. Simple enough.
 
2012-05-18 01:26:48 AM  
Have you read the FAQ yet?!? biatches be trippin'!

Though still in its conceptual form; the male allies project is the brainchild of the women's centre designed to bring self-identified men together to talk about masculity and its harmful affects on both men and women. We know that many men are concerned with the way masculinity denegrates women by making them into sexual objects, is homophobic, encourages violence, and discourages emotional expression.

Many men are concerned with the way femininity denegrates men by displaying them solely as sexual predators, discourages brute force, and encourages open expression of feelings.

Wake me when the female allies come to the men's centre to get drunk.
 
2012-05-18 01:28:46 AM  
Hah, awesome reply in the article.

Responding to the video a bit, coming from somebody who was paid to report on SFU issues for three years. Yes, I worked for The Peak. No, I don't anymore.

1. The only major advocacy group to be created in the last decade at SFU was apportioned a levy immediately. Sustainability SFU does not hurt for cash. SFU students, however, hurt to see the results of that cash.

2. Tooth and nail fighting for funding came to an end the minute we rid ourselves of that dead weight they call the CFS. The SFSS is now rich as hell. They could double the funding of all of their initiatives today without breaking a sweat. The CFS levy of hundreds of thousands of dollars will continue to be taken from students without going to the CFS. There is no more financial crisis at the SFSS.

3. There are no spaces at SFU that men can go that women cannot (unless you count restrooms, which I don't, because I'm not a moron, and neither are you). There is, however, a Women's Centre. While I probably would not be chucked out of the Centre (because everybody there is pretty boss), it's title does a pretty good job of dissuading me from ever going in there. So by my tally, there is exactly one place on campus that is in any degree exclusionary based on gender.

4. The Men's Centre has not been given a cheque. The 30,000 is an earmark for the future. They can only use $500 for professional consulting and public consulting for right now. Anyone actually asking questions or being aware (or listening to Ana Maria Tremonti talk to Jeff McCann on CBC radio) would know this. The favorite sport of SFU students is talking about things they refuse to learn about. This continues.

5. The man in the video talking about the financial aspect of the Men's Centre was defeated in the race for SFSS treasurer, and ran on a platform of not knowing anything about finances. He's a good guy, but like Donnie, he's out of his element, and should do likewise.

6. The rhetoric of gender inclusion breaking away into "a bunch of douchebags sitting around and playing video games" is like a lost Lenny Bruce bit. Incredible. That guy should be ashamed of himself for being so unfunny. Talk about generalizations about gender. Sheesh.

7. The men's centre will not be trans inclusive? Says who? Nobody, that's who. They made it up. Would they be rousted if they came in? Would they be lynched? Of course not. I'd hope they'd be referred to the awesome people at Out On Campus. These people are just attack the zygote of an idea, the fetus of a concept. It has no features. It is a bundle of policy stem cells. Attack the plan when the plan exists, if you must. This is the definition of knee-jerk.

8. It's not collaborative with other social justice groups on campus? It doesn't exist yet! Nothing at SFU can have a mandate without at least 7 years of consultation at this point, so why would they even claim that?

9. "Women have thoughts!", she said, shocking nobody. "They have no experience being in a gender studies class". Yeah, them and everyone but about 20 people in all of SFU, hence their struggle to convince the administration they have a mandate to exist. Gender studies is awesome, but you're using it as a bludgeon.

10. "This has created controversy among students at SFU." Nothing ever does that, ever. There are about 400 people in a campus of 30,000 that do anything, ever. The bubble of involvement at SFU is extremely small. It's not that the Men's Centre has no mandate, it's that nothing does. Not the SFSS, not SFPIRG, not The Peak (where I worked, I remind you). Nothing. We can't even get quorum at SFSS general meetings. It's all a joke. There are no clear mandates on Burnaby Mountain.

11. Right from the get-go, there is no vote. What are we voting "No" to? There is no levy. This was a board allotment. They can act with impunity because they were elected by 8% of eligible voters.
 
2012-05-18 01:29:08 AM  
All men are sexual predators just as all women are paragons of virtue. Therefore there is no middle ground. Duh.
 
2012-05-18 01:29:33 AM  
This might be a good place to leave this link: Straight white male: the lowest difficulty setting there is. That's a good way to understand privilege. And why there are usually centers for people who aren't straight, white guys, and why straight, white guys aren't that interested in having centers to cater to them.

Just to use the example of race and privilege here, I never considered starting a group for random white Canadians on campus. My ethnic background puts me on the lowest difficulty setting in Canadian society. I've always been able to be assured that if there are white people problems somewhere, they're going to get recognized.

That is how things are for men in Canadian society, wherein there are generally fewer disadvantages if you're a guy. It's not so much extra advantages for men as it is additional ground you have to make up, still, if you're a woman, because assumptions and standards and stereotypes about gender work against you in a variety of ways. I don't recall Gordon Campbell's private life and personal appearance being scrutinized as much as Christy Clark's, for example - Christy Clark has come under a number of ridiculous attacks about her dress, and has been questioned about her ability to both parent and be a Premier. We have yet to elect a female Prime Minister, and I don't think we will anytime soon. Just over 75% of Parliament is male. Look at any corporate board, the top industry positions in this country, differences in earnings, the situation for childcare and maternal leave outside Québec. These are just a few examples. There are absolutely issues that predominantly affect men in Canadian society, however. For example, there are more men in prisons, and more homeless men. But these are issues that speak to poverty and race and drug addiction/mental health policy and crime policy more than to gender. That's not to say that there is no need to discuss gender issues as they affect men. I welcome that, and it's my hope that we can do that in a way that doesn't pit people against each other. Attacking feminists as if gender equality is a farking zero-sum game, though, is pointless, childish and divisive.

Campus women's centers, by the way, are not groundbreaking. They're a dated institution from the 70s in most cases, and should be expanded to focus on gender not as it affects just women, but also as it affects men and people who are trans, genderqueer or intersex.
 
2012-05-18 01:29:46 AM  
I see no problem with this. Why can't men have a men center?
 
2012-05-18 01:29:58 AM  

morgantx: If I went to a Women's Center because I wanted to find a safe space to meet other women and I was a housewife BY CHOICE because I felt like my greatest calling in life is to be a wife and mother, would I be accepted at the Women's Center? In other words, is the Women's Center as inclusive as they're expecting the Men's Center to be?


My mother went to a "womens retreat room" at her uni and ran into trouble from two groups. First the feminists would abuse her for being married and a housewise and then the bull dyke lesbians would sexually harrassing her just for a stir.

In the end she decided it wasn't worth the trouble just for a place with a kettle to make a cup of tea in.
 
2012-05-18 01:30:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What's wrong with a Men's Center? And what's wrong if they want it to be a room with a fridge and a pool or foosball table and some video games? Hell, they can hang a "NO GURLS ALOUD" sign on the door for all I care.

Why do feminists have to give the rest of us women a bad name by hating on men all the time? I think this is a great thing.

GO MEN!

/woman here, btw
//all for men's rights
///just don't call me "babe"


I've always thought of "Babe" as the name of the pig from Scarlet's Web. It always weirds me out when I hear anybody call anybody else that nickname.

/that's probably just me.
 
2012-05-18 01:33:14 AM  
Wanna see some feminist shiat that will make you rage?

Really hilarious how this girl disparages men that are like the guys on Big Bang Theory. Guys like that built the farking internet.

One thing that really gives me the shiats is when guys get all white knight when it comes to feminism. I'm sure the feminists can look after themselves. They don't need a man to stand up for them.
 
2012-05-18 01:33:58 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I see no problem with this. Why can't men have a men center?


If everyone is special, then no one is.
 
2012-05-18 01:34:46 AM  

basemetal: Meh, give the men a garage, a small tv with cable, a cooler with beer, and lawn chairs, and we have a damned awesome man cave.

/we're not complicated


Yes, but that is once you have yourself all sorted out. Getting there is not fun.

I can see a lot of real benefits to a men's center. Being a dude is a learning process and the current generation is woefully short on good instructors. A lot of lives are ruined because young men do not have a place where they can discuss the issues of conforming to what society expects of them, and how to still be yourself in that society.

For one, it could have frank discussions regarding why not to stick your dick in Crazy, and what to do if you did. A lot of guys learn the ropes the hard way because no one will talk about it.

/Crazy is gender neutral
 
2012-05-18 01:34:56 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: What is a men's center needed for?

Men can't be raped or abused! That's scientific fact!


More importantly, i don't WANT to be around other men. I don't want to talk, or share my feelings, or bond with them.
I want a sandwich.
 
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