ongbok: I would think that you would say that it is really stupid to take something that is full of errors as proof, wouldn't you?

Hey, they think that something as vetted as his Birth Certificate is fake, what do you expect?

404 page not found: thamike: dosboot: MFL: The Keyna thing doesn't bother me as much as Chicago thing.

^THIS

add the attacking Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia, Pakistan, warrantless wiretaps, ordering the assassination of two United States citizens etc etc.

I didn't know how to spell "assblasted retarded crap" until now.

Can one be a liberal and have legitimate criticisms of President Obama? Or is it Party First?

Most liberals have serious beefs with some of the civil liberties laws from Obama but the point is that conservatives are attacking him on his counter-terrorism record, which makes my brain hurt. Targeting known members of groups that kill civilians is a lot different/better than entire farking wars which they were all for.

ongbok: badaboom: HeartBurnKid: badaboom: Typo? Explain why they also used it on their website till 2007

Because the literary agent was mistaken?

No wait, that couldn't be it, it's not conspiracy-minded enough.

Mistaken on multiple edits? And then it got changed when he was running for President?
Why mention where he was born in the first place? Just a quick glance at the majority of their other clients does not show where they were born. Link

So why mention where he was born unless you are trying to sell the fact that his birthplace somehow made him special?

That thing is full of errors. Like saying his father was a finance minister, which he wasn't. Or the second one saying that and he was raised in Chicago. Whoever wrote both of those versions didn't do any fact checking at all.

I would think that you would say that it is really stupid to take something that is full of errors as proof, wouldn't you?

All "birthers" are, without exception, stupid.

So where did this whole "born in Kenya" thing come from anyway? Obviously it wasn't from a bunch of right wing loonies since this bio proceeds almost everybody's knowledge of BHO.

Was Barry trying to sound exotic without having the forethought to recognize that being born in a foreign county might come back to haunt him? It's unlikely that he didn't at least see this bio before it went out. Why didn't he make sure it got corrected?

dosboot: add the attacking Libya

America didn't attack Libya, there were a few sorties flown by the USAF to backup a European led force.


dosboot: Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia

Conflicts since 9/11, thank Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Joint_Task_Force_%E2%80%93_Horn _ of_Africa


dosboot: Pakistan

When did America attack Pakistan?

dosboot: warrantless wiretaps

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/180 / end-warrantless-wiretaps/

dosboot: ordering the assassination of two United States citizens etc etc.

Blame the American military.

Welfare Xmas: So where did this whole "born in Kenya" thing come from anyway?

Allegations of a Kenyan birth originated with some supporters of then-Senator Hillary Clinton during the 2008 Democratic primary races. Some individuals desperately desired for Senator Clinton to be the Democratic nominee for the 2008 Presidential election, thus when the speculation was initially issued confirmation bais resulted in several supporters accepting it as established fact. When Mr. Obama ultimately became the nominee, many individuals who vehemently oppose the Democratic Party -- aided in part by disgruntled supporters of Senator Clinton who refused to support Senator Obama -- accepted claims of a Kenyan birth based upon the same confirmation bias.


Was Barry trying to sound exotic without having the forethought to recognize that being born in a foreign county might come back to haunt him?

I am unaware of any reports of now-President Obama ever having claimed to have been born outside of the United States. Your speculation is without basis.

The real question we should be asking is.......how many biography's and memiors needed to have been written about a guy who didn't do anything?

Welfare Xmas: So where did this whole "born in Kenya" thing come from anyway? Obviously it wasn't from a bunch of right wing loonies since this bio proceeds almost everybody's knowledge of BHO.

Was Barry trying to sound exotic without having the forethought to recognize that being born in a foreign county might come back to haunt him? It's unlikely that he didn't at least see this bio before it went out. Why didn't he make sure it got corrected?

...he did. This is a test printing.

You idiot.

badaboom: ongbok: badaboom: HeartBurnKid: badaboom: Typo? Explain why they also used it on their website till 2007

Because the literary agent was mistaken?

No wait, that couldn't be it, it's not conspiracy-minded enough.

Mistaken on multiple edits? And then it got changed when he was running for President?
Why mention where he was born in the first place? Just a quick glance at the majority of their other clients does not show where they were born. Link

So why mention where he was born unless you are trying to sell the fact that his birthplace somehow made him special?

That thing is full of errors. Like saying his father was a finance minister, which he wasn't. Or the second one saying that and he was raised in Chicago. Whoever wrote both of those versions didn't do any fact checking at all.

I would think that you would say that it is really stupid to take something that is full of errors as proof, wouldn't you?

No where did I say this is proof, but he was already a US Senator when they continued to get simple things wrong. Why even mention where he was born.

Probably what really happened was Obama or his agent thought telling everyone he was born in Kenya would make him more popular. Either way it is either a lie or a mistake

I'm curious as to what, if anything, you think this piece of "information" signifies in any real-world sense. Is there something you think should be done about it, by somebody in particular? If so, what? If not - what are you on about?

MFL: The real question we should be asking is.......how many biography's and memiors needed to have been written about a guy who didn't do anything?

Even more confusing is why President Obama's memoir was authored prior to him not doing anything. Still more confusing is your use of the word "biography's" while failing to indicate any item possessed by a biography.

MFL: The real question we should be asking is.......how many biography's and memiors needed to have been written about a guy who didn't do anything?

We're talking about you here, right?

not this shiat again....


Look, if you're a birther, you're straight up racist and plain as Chuck D might say. You know it, I know it, we all know it, stop pretending.

MFL: The real question we should be asking is.......how many biography's and memiors needed to have been written about a guy who didn't do anything?

Many thousands of biographies have been written about people who didn't do anything. You're kidding, right?

jso2897: badaboom: ongbok: badaboom: HeartBurnKid: badaboom: Typo? Explain why they also used it on their website till 2007

Because the literary agent was mistaken?

No wait, that couldn't be it, it's not conspiracy-minded enough.

Mistaken on multiple edits? And then it got changed when he was running for President?
Why mention where he was born in the first place? Just a quick glance at the majority of their other clients does not show where they were born. Link

So why mention where he was born unless you are trying to sell the fact that his birthplace somehow made him special?

That thing is full of errors. Like saying his father was a finance minister, which he wasn't. Or the second one saying that and he was raised in Chicago. Whoever wrote both of those versions didn't do any fact checking at all.

I would think that you would say that it is really stupid to take something that is full of errors as proof, wouldn't you?

No where did I say this is proof, but he was already a US Senator when they continued to get simple things wrong. Why even mention where he was born.

Probably what really happened was Obama or his agent thought telling everyone he was born in Kenya would make him more popular. Either way it is either a lie or a mistake

I'm curious as to what, if anything, you think this piece of "information" signifies in any real-world sense. Is there something you think should be done about it, by somebody in particular? If so, what? If not - what are you on about?

Of course it is not "proof" of anything. Just interesting that someone would claim he was born in Kenya. If you look at their site from 2007 the only time they mention one of their client's birth place was if it was relevant. An American woman who was born in Asia is touted as such since she writes about Asian cuisine. Why even mention Obama's place of birth unless someone thought it was relevant.

KingPsyz: not this shiat again....


Look, if you're a birther, you're straight up racist and plain as Chuck D might say. You know it, I know it, we all know it, stop pretending.

Ockhams's Razor is your friend. You are attributing to complex evil what stupidity suffices to explain.

FlashHarry: Dinki: It almost makes you wonder if the Obama campaign didn't leak this, just to re-invigorate the underpants on the head side of the GOP. After all, the whole birfer thing had sort of died down, hell even sherrif joe had lost some of his taste for the hunt.

i was thinking the very same thing.

If this is the case, I would say that was pretty exceptional on Pres. Obama's part.

badaboom: jso2897: badaboom: ongbok: badaboom: HeartBurnKid: badaboom: Typo? Explain why they also used it on their website till 2007

Because the literary agent was mistaken?

No wait, that couldn't be it, it's not conspiracy-minded enough.

Mistaken on multiple edits? And then it got changed when he was running for President?
Why mention where he was born in the first place? Just a quick glance at the majority of their other clients does not show where they were born. Link

So why mention where he was born unless you are trying to sell the fact that his birthplace somehow made him special?

That thing is full of errors. Like saying his father was a finance minister, which he wasn't. Or the second one saying that and he was raised in Chicago. Whoever wrote both of those versions didn't do any fact checking at all.

I would think that you would say that it is really stupid to take something that is full of errors as proof, wouldn't you?

No where did I say this is proof, but he was already a US Senator when they continued to get simple things wrong. Why even mention where he was born.

Probably what really happened was Obama or his agent thought telling everyone he was born in Kenya would make him more popular. Either way it is either a lie or a mistake

I'm curious as to what, if anything, you think this piece of "information" signifies in any real-world sense. Is there something you think should be done about it, by somebody in particular? If so, what? If not - what are you on about?

Of course it is not "proof" of anything. Just interesting that someone would claim he was born in Kenya. If you look at their site from 2007 the only time they mention one of their client's birth place was if it was relevant. An American woman who was born in Asia is touted as such since she writes about Asian cuisine. Why even mention Obama's place of birth unless someone thought it was relevant.

Except in the book, he flat-out says he was born in Hawaii. It's right there on page 66, according to the Google Books preview.

So, if somebody was lying, it wasn't Obama. It was either the publisher or the agent.

badaboom: Of course it is not "proof" of anything. Just interesting that someone would claim he was born in Kenya. If you look at their site from 2007 the only time they mention one of their client's birth place was if it was relevant. An American woman who was born in Asia is touted as such since she writes about Asian cuisine. Why even mention Obama's place of birth unless someone thought it was relevant

It's interesting that a test printing included something that wasn't included in the real thing?

WTFAMIREADING.jpg

Dimensio:
Allegations of a Kenyan birth originated with some supporters of then-Senator Hillary Clinton during the 2008 Democratic primary races.

Except that this bio that states the BHO was born in Kenya is from 1991. Surely you're not claiming that Hillary time traveled back to 1991 to plant this bio.


I am unaware of any reports of now-President Obama ever having claimed to have been born outside of the United States.

The bio was in a pamphlet of a publisher that BHO was working with. Someone who worked for this publisher claims that most of the bios were shown to the authors so that they could make corrections. So I'm assuming that 1) It's likely that BHO saw the bio 2) He didn't bother to make sure it was corrected. Still don't understand why.

jso2897: KingPsyz: not this shiat again....


Look, if you're a birther, you're straight up racist and plain as Chuck D might say. You know it, I know it, we all know it, stop pretending.

Ockhams's Razor is your friend. You are attributing to complex evil what stupidity suffices to explain.

A) it's Occam's Razor and

B) Who says racism isn't caused by stupidity?

IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: Welfare Xmas: So where did this whole "born in Kenya" thing come from anyway? Obviously it wasn't from a bunch of right wing loonies since this bio proceeds almost everybody's knowledge of BHO.

Was Barry trying to sound exotic without having the forethought to recognize that being born in a foreign county might come back to haunt him? It's unlikely that he didn't at least see this bio before it went out. Why didn't he make sure it got corrected?

...he did. This is a test printing.

You idiot.

That was run by his agents as his official bio for 16 years

You dumbass

your turn

this is fun

[citation needed]

FirstNationalBastard: fusillade762: timujin: Breitbart might not have believed the birther nonsense, but the deather part certainly caught up with him.

Fun fact: "Deathers" are the folks that think bin Laden is still alive.

Good that all the crackpots have catchy names like that. Birthers. Truthers. Deathers. Tenthers.

Tenthers?

Are they people who think that John Tyler should never have been sworn in as President because the chain of succession was never explicitly spelled out in the constitution or amendments?

Or, are those the people who can't get over the fact that David Tennant is no longer Doctor Who?

I read it more as a question, for instance one used while camping. I just thought there was a spacebar issue going on.

timujin: EnviroDude: The obvious elephant in the room is that Obama was either lying then or lying now.

So, the possibility that the guy who wrote this (hint: not Obama) made a mistake is inconceivable to you?

So, the possibility that someone might lie about their background to sell more books or that a politician might lie to get elected is inconceivable to you?

IamKaiserSoze!!!: cameroncrazy1984: Welfare Xmas: So where did this whole "born in Kenya" thing come from anyway? Obviously it wasn't from a bunch of right wing loonies since this bio proceeds almost everybody's knowledge of BHO.

Was Barry trying to sound exotic without having the forethought to recognize that being born in a foreign county might come back to haunt him? It's unlikely that he didn't at least see this bio before it went out. Why didn't he make sure it got corrected?

...he did. This is a test printing.

You idiot.

That was run by his agents as his official bio for 16 years

You dumbass

your turn

this is fun

And yet his first book directly contradicts it.

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Of course it is not "proof" of anything. Just interesting that someone would claim he was born in Kenya. If you look at their site from 2007 the only time they mention one of their client's birth place was if it was relevant. An American woman who was born in Asia is touted as such since she writes about Asian cuisine. Why even mention Obama's place of birth unless someone thought it was relevant

It's interesting that a test printing included something that wasn't included in the real thing?

WTFAMIREADING.jpg

And on the web site for years even after multiple edits?

badaboom: jso2897: badaboom: ongbok: badaboom: HeartBurnKid: badaboom: Typo? Explain why they also used it on their website till 2007

Because the literary agent was mistaken?

No wait, that couldn't be it, it's not conspiracy-minded enough.

Mistaken on multiple edits? And then it got changed when he was running for President?
Why mention where he was born in the first place? Just a quick glance at the majority of their other clients does not show where they were born. Link

So why mention where he was born unless you are trying to sell the fact that his birthplace somehow made him special?

That thing is full of errors. Like saying his father was a finance minister, which he wasn't. Or the second one saying that and he was raised in Chicago. Whoever wrote both of those versions didn't do any fact checking at all.

I would think that you would say that it is really stupid to take something that is full of errors as proof, wouldn't you?

No where did I say this is proof, but he was already a US Senator when they continued to get simple things wrong. Why even mention where he was born.

Probably what really happened was Obama or his agent thought telling everyone he was born in Kenya would make him more popular. Either way it is either a lie or a mistake

I'm curious as to what, if anything, you think this piece of "information" signifies in any real-world sense. Is there something you think should be done about it, by somebody in particular? If so, what? If not - what are you on about?

Of course it is not "proof" of anything. Just interesting that someone would claim he was born in Kenya. If you look at their site from 2007 the only time they mention one of their client's birth place was if it was relevant. An American woman who was born in Asia is touted as such since she writes about Asian cuisine. Why even mention Obama's place of birth unless someone thought it was relevant.

Interesting? To whom? Why? Research the written records of any moderately famous person, and you will find inaccuracies - there is nothing especially "interesting" about that.
What is "interesting" about something that signifies nothing, and that you have no proposal to do anything about? Sounds like much ado about nothing to me.
You must have one boring f**king life to have such tedious, pointless "interests".

FirstNationalBastard: thamike:
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Jamie from Mythbusters really let himself go...

hahaha he does look like Jamie's evil confederate twin

primamoda: timujin: EnviroDude: The obvious elephant in the room is that Obama was either lying then or lying now.

So, the possibility that the guy who wrote this (hint: not Obama) made a mistake is inconceivable to you?

So, the possibility that someone might lie about their background to sell more books or that a politician might lie to get elected is inconceivable to you?

He didn't lie about his background. At all. It was a friggin' test printing that got corrected.

Jesu Christo.

cameroncrazy1984: ...he did. This is a test printing.

You idiot.


What's your source for this being a test printing. It looks like the "born in Kenya" statement was on the publishers web site until 2007. So it looks like it never got corrected. You idiot*.

*I'm assuming this is some sort of term of endearment here on FARK so I decided to follow your lead.

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Of course it is not "proof" of anything. Just interesting that someone would claim he was born in Kenya. If you look at their site from 2007 the only time they mention one of their client's birth place was if it was relevant. An American woman who was born in Asia is touted as such since she writes about Asian cuisine. Why even mention Obama's place of birth unless someone thought it was relevant

It's interesting that a test printing included something that wasn't included in the real thing?

WTFAMIREADING.jpg

And on the web site for years even after multiple edits?

Show me. Where was it included on the website for 16 years? There's got to be a cached version of it you can find.

You guys are always screaming for proof, well pony up.

Welfare Xmas: . It looks like the "born in Kenya" statement was on the publishers web site until 2007. So it looks like it never got corrected. You idiot*.

Please show your work. Where is the proof that this was on the publisher's website until 2007.

Note: Breitbart saying so is not proof.

Give me a cached version of the website.

I, too, am concerned about this.

Proof that James Earl Ray did not shoot MLK, and they were in fact the best of friends.

KingPsyz: not this shiat again....


Look, if you're a birther, you're straight up racist and plain as Chuck D might say. You know it, I know it, we all know it, stop pretending.

You are mistaken. All racists are stupid, and all birthers are stupid, but not all birthers are racists.

cameroncrazy1984: Please show your work.

So your assertion about this being a "test printing" was pulled fully formed directly out of your ass? Not helping your credibility at all.

The errant Obama biography in the Acton & Dystel booklet does not contradict the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. Moreover, several contemporaneous accounts of Obama's background describe Obama as having been born in Hawaii.

The biography does, however, fit a pattern in which Obama--or the people representing and supporting him--manipulate his public persona.


/nothing to see here folks, he was born in Hawaii

BOOM! (Why isn't this on the main page? I bet it would have been if Bush was said to have been born in Kenya!)

Welfare Xmas: Dimensio:
Allegations of a Kenyan birth originated with some supporters of then-Senator Hillary Clinton during the 2008 Democratic primary races.

Except that this bio that states the BHO was born in Kenya is from 1991. Surely you're not claiming that Hillary time traveled back to 1991 to plant this bio.

No possible rational or honest interpretation of my statement would allow for such a conclusion.


I am unaware of any reports of now-President Obama ever having claimed to have been born outside of the United States.

The bio was in a pamphlet of a publisher that BHO was working with. Someone who worked for this publisher claims that most of the bios were shown to the authors so that they could make corrections. So I'm assuming that 1) It's likely that BHO saw the bio 2) He didn't bother to make sure it was corrected. Still don't understand why.

Your lack of understanding is a consequence of unfounded assumptions and, as such, is your own fault.

Who is the publisher?

IamKaiserSoze!!!: I can't understand how Obama cold go 16 years without reviewing the official bio on record with his literary agents that was used to represent him.

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Followup.

Here is something fun from archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis that takes you to the website of Dystel & Goderich, Obama's literary agents and shows they were still using the Barack Obama "born in Kenya" language for his official bio until April 2007, several months after he declared his run. It was then changed..

*grabs popcorn*

This is gonna be fun. Elizabeth Warren redux

So what point exactly are you trying to make?

Are you a birther?