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2012-05-17 07:48:27 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: "Hey apple. This phone can't get a signal when it's in my hand."

"Dear customer. You're holding it wrong"


Yeah, that blew me away, especially with the angry reaction instant fellating from the Apple fans. I couldn't believe that the company would issue THAT arrogant of a statement, and the customer base would lap it up and ask for more abuse.

CtrlAltDestroy: Get this - some of us actually like big phones. I have the Razr MAXX. I thought about the Galaxy Nexus for the screen but the build quality is shiat and there's no SD slot.


My wife just got the RAZR, and it's pretty snazzy. I like it. I'm supposed to be up for a new phone, but my work says they are renegotiating our Verizon contract, so I am in a holding pattern. I like the phone, except for the 'non-removable battery' bullshiat, yeah, let's get MORE like Apple...

I think the 'Smart Actions' are pretty cool, too, but then I just discovered llama, which makes the 'Smart Actions' look like a 1st grade science project...
 
2012-05-17 07:52:16 PM
I use one of these:
www.motorola3watts.com
 
2012-05-17 07:53:43 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Anyone know if an app bought for the Kindle Fire (and it's android-based OS) is available on some or all Android phones? Just wondering if that's even a possibility.


What happens is that if it shows up on an Android device in the Market, it will work. You can also go onto the Market and log in online, and it will take all of your activated devices and tell you which ones it will work on. For example, I wanted an app for the Razr and see if it worked on my phone, so I went to the Market and searched for Smart Actions, and it told me that it was not compatible with any of my devices, while others will only show up for a single device other times, and so on. Otherwise, if you don't own the device yet, you go somewhere like Android Central and see if people on the forums can answer you. They usually can tell you specific phones and what apps work on them.
 
2012-05-17 08:35:54 PM

change1211: SN1987a goes boom: Grote-Man: LasersHurt: fawlty: LasersHurt: Go ahead and tell me where Apple made specific false claims.


Again... SPECIFIC. What did they claim it would do, exactly?

Didn't someone do an accuracy test for the "Rock God" commercial?

Test of Commercial in Question

That did not look so great...


To be fair, outside of taking much, much longer, it did function essentially as shown in the commercial.

Apple commercials would be 20 minutes long if they showed how long things actually took.
 
2012-05-17 08:39:09 PM

adamgreeney: I did exactly that. My Galaxy Nexus wins.


Not to add fuel to the fire, but I did recently try out the face unlock feature. It is nowhere near as good as what was advertised on the commercials. I don't think this kind of stuff warrants a lawsuit but that's just me.
 
2012-05-17 08:39:42 PM
I wonder if Apple has considered the long term consequences of acquiring a critical mass of dumb users.
 
2012-05-17 08:42:05 PM

Quantumbunny: Dinobot: Shrugging Atlas: I appreciate the feedback. Fark delivers once again!

Word of advice. I hate how HTC just stops supporting their phones halfway thru your contract, so the only way you'll really enjoy phone is if you root it.

That's really more a carrier decision than an manufacturer decision. Verizon/AT&T/etc are the ones who want to force you into upgrades halfway through your contract. You'll notice your contract is with your carrier (who are also the ones subsidizing phone cost via jacked up monthly rates), not the phone manufacturer.

That said... again given the BS carriers put on your phone... there is zero reason not to root, if only to remove that garbageware, as soon as you buy your phone. There is no point in waiting till it is no longer getting upgrades. Also, if you buy flagship phones (like HTC Incredible and Rezound on Verizon) they will be supported with updates considerably longer than low end and lesser known devices.


Not really. Most updates for the international models of HTC's phones come about 3 weeks to 1 month earlier. So while yes, the carriers do get in the way, there hasn't it's really the fact that HTC just stops providing updates altogether -- even on their international, unlocked phones -- that really gets annoying.

That being said, at least their brand new devices all sport the latest versions of Android. The other manufacturers seem to think that releasing a device using an old version of Android but promising to update "later" is sufficient...
 
2012-05-17 08:54:36 PM

imgod2u: adamgreeney: I did exactly that. My Galaxy Nexus wins.

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I did recently try out the face unlock feature. It is nowhere near as good as what was advertised on the commercials. I don't think this kind of stuff warrants a lawsuit but that's just me.


It works that well in perfect lighting and with the right angle. I have glasses, which can screw it up, and if my hair gets too long (I go 4-6 months between cuts) it won't recognize me.

However, I found the old pattern concept better, so I stick with that and ignore the face unlock
 
2012-05-17 09:04:24 PM
I've already read the standard script the paid shills are using in this thread, so I didn't read the comments.

So I don't know if anybody pointed out that these tools could have returned their phones for a full refund. Instead they chose to participate in this orchestrated propaganda campaign. F**k 'em, and f**k whoever is financing this abuse of the court system.
 
2012-05-17 09:04:39 PM

LasersHurt: Grand Architect: Yes, you have a horse in this race.

I favorite or ignore anyone that is predictable in their reply because it funny to watch then do it, you're not alone.

Whatever floats your boat, dude.


I should note I also wanted to use "iPhan" once, it's out of my system for good now.
 
2012-05-17 09:27:51 PM

StoPPeRmobile: [zitseng.com image 640x853]


My first cell phone! I still have it, somewhere...

Mikey1969: Yeah, that blew me away, especially with the angry reaction instant fellating from the Apple fans. I couldn't believe that the company would issue THAT arrogant of a statement, and the customer base would lap it up and ask for more abuse.


I still remember people agreeing with apple on that one too. "When -I- hold it the signal doesn't drop." Even though there were plenty of videos of it happening. It uses a pair of external antennas. They were shorting together. So why would it do it to some people and not others? Every measured your own body's resistance? I'm an instrument tech, so I have (I get bored). I can have 30MΩ resistance between my two hands while the person next to me can have 200KΩ. Everyone is different and the moisture of your skin plays a huge part.

Regardless of the reason it was happening, though, the response to it from apple was rather brash.

Mikey1969: My wife just got the RAZR, and it's pretty snazzy. I like it. I'm supposed to be up for a new phone, but my work says they are renegotiating our Verizon contract, so I am in a holding pattern. I like the phone, except for the 'non-removable battery' bullshiat, yeah, let's get MORE like Apple...


Did she get the Razr or the Razr MAXX? I'm loving it so far. The build quality and finish is wonderful and it's plenty fast. The non removable battery is really the only downside I've seen so far. I do like the battery capacity though. I went from 1700mAh to 3300mAh now and the difference is really noticeable. I'm going, obviously, twice as long between charges now. I also like Motorola's skin of Android. I think it's a better variant then other versions I've used. I'd like to see it get ICS soon.

Oh yeah, I'm also grandfathered into unlimited data. So the LTE internet gets plenty of use out of me. I don't want to put it on a case, but I've so far dropped it once, due to my own derpiness. If I drop it again I'll slosh through Amazon for a case.
 
2012-05-17 09:56:01 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: Did she get the Razr or the Razr MAXX? I'm loving it so far. The build quality and finish is wonderful and it's plenty fast. The non removable battery is really the only downside I've seen so far. I do like the battery capacity though. I went from 1700mAh to 3300mAh now and the difference is really noticeable. I'm going, obviously, twice as long between charges now. I also like Motorola's skin of Android. I think it's a better variant then other versions I've used. I'd like to see it get ICS soon.

Oh yeah, I'm also grandfathered into unlimited data. So the LTE internet gets plenty of use out of me. I don't want to put it on a case, but I've so far dropped it once, due to my own derpiness. If I drop it again I'll slosh through Amazon for a case.


She got the standard Razr, it was a money thing at the time. She almost returned it an got the Maxx, I kept telling her to, but she didn't want to spend too much. The battery was driving her nuts, but after changing the screen to Auto-Brightness, she has doubled her battery time. My brother in law has the Maxx and has no battery issues, but I still think it's ridiculous(And Apple-y) to not make it replaceable. Setting up her phone has made me pretty much fall in love with it.

Of course, I wouldn't wait around for ICS, I'd just root it and flash CyanogenMod, or another ROM that has it... :-)

Unfortunately, if work doesn't make up their mind, I might have to move to my own plan, and then I'll be too late to grandfather in on the unlimited data. At least my wife's phone has it, we may be making some hardware switches, depending on if I need a phone on my private plan.
 
2012-05-17 10:06:18 PM

bingethinker: I've already read the standard script the paid shills are using in this thread


If they really are paid shills, they're smarter than you. Know why? Because they're getting paid to suck corporate balls.
 
2012-05-17 10:13:06 PM

bemis23: -limited storage space (12gb) and no user changeable SD card


I don't understand why they would do that. They did that for my Galaxy SII, and freaking 32GB SD cards are now $19.97.
 
2012-05-17 10:15:23 PM

StoPPeRmobile: But she is gorgeous.


Goddamn. A mustache AND a soul patch?
 
2012-05-17 11:08:54 PM
As of about 3 hours ago I'm now the proud owner of an HTC One X. I appreciate all the input.

I'll tell you the one thing I like right away compared to the iPhone 4 I had: The size. I have big hands and this feels much more naturally when using it as a phone.

I have to tell you too...while I never honestly had any problems with the iPhone, I'm really digging how customizable this thing is.
 
2012-05-17 11:14:46 PM

Ennuipoet: For example, after many years of drinking a nationally advertised brand of brand of Malt Liquor, Billy Dee Williams has never arrived at my home with a bevy of attractive African American women, nor am I nearly as cool as Mr. Williams! Should I sue Bill Dee or the manufacturer of Colt 45?


You really should sue George Lucas. Deep pockets.
 
2012-05-17 11:48:52 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I have to tell you too...while I never honestly had any problems with the iPhone, I'm really digging how customizable this thing is.


The two problems I had with my iPhones were the small screen (too small for ebooks) and the way it was tied to iTunes. Other than that, nothing major.
And no external SD...Three! Three problems!

But I would marry my Galaxy SII if my two wives could accept a third sister-wife.
 
2012-05-18 12:10:13 AM

Shostie: I want an iPhone 4s, but I don't give two flying f*cks if Siri is on the phone or not. The latest OS runs slow as hell on my 3Gs.


Its not much better on that phone but if you want one then wait until they have LTE network coverage since the old network is half as slow as the LTE network.
 
2012-05-18 01:13:30 AM
Tellingly, although Plaintiffs claim they became dissatisfied with Siri's performance "soon after" purchasing their iPhones, they made no attempt to avail themselves of Apple's 30-day return policy or one-year warranty-which remains in effect.

Pretty much that. When the first 3G iphone was jailbroke and someone wrote a socks proxy for it, I got one. Tethering was a must-have for me and I was willing to put up with an annoying proxy to have 3G speeds on an iphone. I figured someone would create a better app in the future. Turned out the phone wouldn't charge while passing data thru the proxy. I assumed it was an intentional "bug" designed to prevent exactly what I was trying to do from working for more than a few hours at a stretch. I returned the iphone and got a full refund for the purchase price and was charged a pro-rated amount for the week or so of service I used.

That's how it's supposed to work. You get a full 30 days (in California) to test the device and service to make sure you're happy with it. If you're not happy, take it back.
 
2012-05-18 01:15:00 AM

Dufus: James!: I have a 4S. The only thing I use S'iri for is to voice-dial, which is already available on the 3G'S, my previous phone.

I can't even use Siri for voice dialing because she can't tell the difference between "John Smith" and "Mary Allen". My old 3GS did much better.


Maybe Siri knows more about John than you do.
 
2012-05-18 01:42:44 AM

HeartBurnKid: Shrugging Atlas: Speaking of which: Can anyone strongly recommend an Android phone that can use AT&T? I'm looking to switch but this is the first time in three years I've looked at cell phones.

The big one right now is the HTC One X. But it's also OMG XBOX HUEG.


It's not that big. About the same as my Galaxy Nexus. Certainly not as big as the Note.

Something to consider is that the One X has ICS where the vast majority of Android phones are running 2.3 or even 2.2. Since you're looking at using this for the next two years (or more), it makes sense to go with the current version rather than one that's getting long in the tooth. It would also put your phone on the same platform as the new tablets that are running ICS.

Now if I could just get a "retina display" Android tablet...
 
2012-05-18 03:46:00 AM

jtown: Now if I could just get a "retina display" Android tablet...


If you can see pixels on a new Android tablet you've got farking eagle eyes.
An eagle with a microscope.
And a new Android tablet.
 
2012-05-18 07:38:10 AM

jtown: It's not that big. About the same as my Galaxy Nexus. Certainly not as big as the Note.

Something to consider is that the One X has ICS where the vast majority of Android phones are running 2.3 or even 2.2. Since you're looking at using this for the next two years (or more), it makes sense to go with the current version rather than one that's getting long in the tooth. It would also put your phone on the same platform as the new tablets that are running ICS.

Now if I could just get a "retina display" Android tablet...


So I've only had the One X since last night and had an iPhone 4 since it came out, but I have to be honest...I'm having a hard time telling the difference between the Retina display on the 4 and the screen on the One X.
 
2012-05-18 07:48:30 AM

Shrugging Atlas: jtown: It's not that big. About the same as my Galaxy Nexus. Certainly not as big as the Note.

Something to consider is that the One X has ICS where the vast majority of Android phones are running 2.3 or even 2.2. Since you're looking at using this for the next two years (or more), it makes sense to go with the current version rather than one that's getting long in the tooth. It would also put your phone on the same platform as the new tablets that are running ICS.

Now if I could just get a "retina display" Android tablet...

So I've only had the One X since last night and had an iPhone 4 since it came out, but I have to be honest...I'm having a hard time telling the difference between the Retina display on the 4 and the screen on the One X.


From what I've read, the screen on the One X is pretty great anyway, and fairly high res. Retina is nice, but its not impossible to have a great screen without it.
 
2012-05-18 08:05:36 AM

LasersHurt: From what I've read, the screen on the One X is pretty great anyway, and fairly high res. Retina is nice, but its not impossible to have a great screen without it.


Yeah, that's my conclusion as well having used both. And while Retina is probably higher res, I'm not sure it's something you'd really notice unless you had the two phones next to each other...and even then it's not overly noticable. But on the flip side, when they are sitting next to each other the better screensize of the One X is that much more noticable as well. Personally, I'm more than willing to trade off a small amount of screen quality for better screen size.
 
2012-05-18 08:31:09 AM

Shrugging Atlas: LasersHurt: From what I've read, the screen on the One X is pretty great anyway, and fairly high res. Retina is nice, but its not impossible to have a great screen without it.

Yeah, that's my conclusion as well having used both. And while Retina is probably higher res, I'm not sure it's something you'd really notice unless you had the two phones next to each other...and even then it's not overly noticable. But on the flip side, when they are sitting next to each other the better screensize of the One X is that much more noticable as well. Personally, I'm more than willing to trade off a small amount of screen quality for better screen size.


I put some stock in the rumors that say his revision, the iPhone 5 or whatever, will probably have a larger screen. Apple got left behind on that one and they know it.

/granted I think some are way too large, but 4" would be an improvement on an iPhone
 
2012-05-18 09:08:07 AM

LasersHurt: I put some stock in the rumors that say his revision, the iPhone 5 or whatever, will probably have a larger screen. Apple got left behind on that one and they know it.

/granted I think some are way too large, but 4" would be an improvement on an iPhone




Meh. If you increase the size enough to make a real difference, it will no longer fit in my pocket. Incremental changes would just take a lot of resources to support the new resolution without a real-world benefit. I like having the phone form factor that fits in my pocket and the larger iPad format for photo editing and other applications that require the space.
 
2012-05-18 09:22:47 AM

GameSprocket: LasersHurt: I put some stock in the rumors that say his revision, the iPhone 5 or whatever, will probably have a larger screen. Apple got left behind on that one and they know it.

/granted I think some are way too large, but 4" would be an improvement on an iPhone



Meh. If you increase the size enough to make a real difference, it will no longer fit in my pocket. Incremental changes would just take a lot of resources to support the new resolution without a real-world benefit. I like having the phone form factor that fits in my pocket and the larger iPad format for photo editing and other applications that require the space.


I'm only talking 4 inches. That's a half inch larger than currently, and not as big as some of the Monster-Droids. I'm not advocating for a mid-sized device, just a slightly larger phone.
 
2012-05-18 11:09:46 AM

change1211: SN1987a goes boom: Grote-Man: LasersHurt: fawlty: LasersHurt: Go ahead and tell me where Apple made specific false claims.


Again... SPECIFIC. What did they claim it would do, exactly?

Didn't someone do an accuracy test for the "Rock God" commercial?

Test of Commercial in Question

That did not look so great...


I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about. Other than taking longer than in the commercial, there was almost no difference. The ads (at least the current versions) even state that the sequences are abbreviated. Granted, they might have added that disclaimer in response to these lawsuits. The test also seems to have been done over 3G, which would only make it slower.

You might think it failed because it couldn't respond to "How do I play [song]?" but the commercial never shows Siri giving an answer. The test didn't bother waiting for a response to the chord question. The commercial shows the result of a Siri search of Wolfram Alpha. Typing in "How do I play a B minor ninth" (also tried with be and bee) into Wolfram Alpha brings up the appropriate page. The only other issue I saw was the "Rock God" speech recognition at the end, where he could have done a better job of enunciating.

Neither Apple, the iphone, or Siri are perfect or the best. I only rarely use Siri, mainly for reminders, calendar events, quick texts/emails if I am driving. For reminders and such, it's just a quicker input method. But at the very least criticize them for actual problems and shortcomings instead of Consumerist level whining.
 
2012-05-18 11:12:42 AM

bemis23: I just recently purchased 2 new phones:

For me: HTC One X (LTE version on AT&T)
For her: Apple iPhone 4S

They both function just fine, but the screen on the One X simply blows every other display I've seen out of the water. I get surprisingly good battery life considering the immense size of the One X screen, but hers is still better. She uses Siri sometimes and it's been mostly ok, with a few misses - and I make fun of her for talking to her phone. What I really have that she can't get is a program like Llama that automatically switches between customized device profiles (wifi on/off, mobile data on/off, ring tones, volume, active programs, wallpapers, etc..) based on location, time, and/or events. That actually makes my smartphone feel like it's actually smart.


This app called Juice Defender (along with its more powerful brothers Plus and Ultimate) truly does make my phone seem intelligent. It can manage/control many aspects of battery usage: wifi, data, screen, app usage, time of day, and daily habits. I just got a One X as well and the battery died by the end of the first day. I installed Juice Defender free the next day and the thing was only at 45% after about 10-12 hours later, which is amazing. Turns out the screen and voice calls are the only really big battery hogs, I don't stream or download much over LTE (even though when i need it it's incredibly fast).
 
2012-05-18 11:30:38 AM
Turns out the screen and voice calls are the only really big battery hogs

I'm sorry, but duh?
 
2012-05-18 11:50:13 AM

bemis23: I just recently purchased 2 new phones:

For me: HTC One X (LTE version on AT&T)
For her: Apple iPhone 4S

They both function just fine, but the screen on the One X simply blows every other display I've seen out of the water. I get surprisingly good battery life considering the immense size of the One X screen, but hers is still better. She uses Siri sometimes and it's been mostly ok, with a few misses - and I make fun of her for talking to her phone. What I really have that she can't get is a program like Llama that automatically switches between customized device profiles (wifi on/off, mobile data on/off, ring tones, volume, active programs, wallpapers, etc..) based on location, time, and/or events. That actually makes my smartphone feel like it's actually smart.


If you want something like Siri, you might want to get Evi from the Android market. It doesn't quite integrate as deeply into Android yet (it can't do calendar stuff, for example), but it is pretty good.

/personally, I don't see much use for "virtual assistants" besides the gee-whiz factor; interesting tech, but not very many practical uses
 
2012-05-19 09:23:12 AM

StoPPeRmobile: timujin: Shrugging Atlas: Speaking of which: Can anyone strongly recommend an Android phone that can use AT&T? I'm looking to switch but this is the first time in three years I've looked at cell phones.

HTC seems popular, but I've heard really good things about the Samsung phones and am going to get either an S3 or Note/Journal when they come to Verizon.

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/yeah, it's huge, but I've got big hands and big pockets. My current phone, the 1st Droid, looks like a toy when I hold it.

[zitseng.com image 640x853]


I miss my StarTac.

I don't need anything fancy just a plain old dumb cell phone that can handle abuse. Have a Samsung Rugby right now. More functions than I need but it is sturdy and fits in my pocket.
 
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