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2012-05-17 12:06:21 PM
Why don't libs conform to the lib stereotype that I have created to define libs? It's almost as if I've built a man out of straw for the purposes of easily knocking it down. Why did the libs make me do that? Stupid libs.
 
2012-05-17 12:21:29 PM
Why are 'progressives' opposed to outsourcing?

Why are 'conservatives' in favor of putting Americans out of work?
 
2012-05-17 12:31:30 PM
It was a cute show. Plus Pippa Black and Rebecca Hazelwood are f*cking hot.
 
2012-05-17 12:34:19 PM
Businesses are using "outsourcing" to circumvent US laws for one thing.

www.asianews.it
 
2012-05-17 12:38:23 PM
Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?
 
2012-05-17 12:38:49 PM
They're only outsourcing so that children can have jobs too. If we just repeal the child labor laws, all those jobs will come rushing back into the country and we'll all be rich.
 
2012-05-17 12:55:46 PM

make me some tea: Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?


I think that feeling died somewhere between businesses perfecting tax shelters and Walmart became one of the largest companies in the world.
 
2012-05-17 01:23:54 PM
I know. It's so unAmerican to promote making A,Erica better by creating American jobs. Real Americans should want to make America poorer by sending all of our jobs overseas.
 
2012-05-17 01:26:45 PM

make me some tea: Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?


When they found out that stuff made in the US was made by ...... by.....

*gasp*

unions
 
2012-05-17 01:27:04 PM

GAT_00: I know. It's so unAmerican to promote making A,Erica better by creating American jobs. Real Americans should want to make America poorer by sending all of our jobs overseas.


and that's why Romney will make a great president.
 
2012-05-17 01:28:39 PM
I tried to read that article. The fact that he's lambasting liberals for preferring shiat to be made domestically is making my eyes bleed.
 
2012-05-17 01:29:13 PM
I can make a pseudo-progressive argument in favor of outsourcing.

America has been at the top for a long time. In order to get the poorer countries up a notch we must employ them at the cost of our own. Yes, the poor here will remain poor, and the rich will remain rich, but the important thing is that the poor will get closer to the poor of other countries and become competitive with them once again.

/If you can say that with a straight face you might be GOP VP material.
 
2012-05-17 01:29:58 PM
Because they have an outmoded belief that the worker owns their job.
 
2012-05-17 01:30:25 PM
I guess because it takes jobs away from Americans, which Republicans love, because then they can pretend it's Obama's fault that the unemployment rate is so high. And yet, if Obama tries to do something about the very job problem the Republicans are crying about, all of a sudden, it's a communist un-American ideology to think the government has a role in creating jobs.
 
2012-05-17 01:31:29 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Businesses are using "outsourcing" to circumvent US laws for one thing.


Do you know what's being manufactured/produced in that picture?
 
2012-05-17 01:32:04 PM
Outsourcing doesnt equate losing American jobs because we insourced just as many(if not more)?

But we're still losing jobs overseas, if those jobs stayed in place wouldnt unemployment be hovering under 5% again?

I'm confused, brain hurts
 
2012-05-17 01:32:19 PM
I would love to see this become a Republican talking point.

We need fewer Americans working!
 
2012-05-17 01:32:20 PM
I grew up in Michigan in the 80's.

Call me crazy, but watching that happen, even though I was young, is prima facie evidence for me that sending jobs overseas has some serious negative consequences for a region and creates a negative feedback loop, especially once people can no longer afford to purchase the products you produce.
 
2012-05-17 01:33:21 PM
Jobs for Americans! And also everyone else. But if there aren't enough it's the President's fault. or something.
 
2012-05-17 01:33:57 PM
Why are "progressives" opposed to slave wages for child labor?
 
2012-05-17 01:34:20 PM

wildcardjack: I can make a pseudo-progressive argument in favor of outsourcing.

America has been at the top for a long time. In order to get the poorer countries up a notch we must employ them at the cost of our own. Yes, the poor here will remain poor, and the rich will remain rich, but the important thing is that the poor will get closer to the poor of other countries and become competitive with them once again.

/If you can say that with a straight face you might be GOP VP material.


That's essentially what the article said:

The goal of outsourcing was, thus, to facilitate growth within a company, increase efficiency, and make goods and services available for less here at home-which it has done. (Outsourcing also had the secondary benefit of offering gainful employment to residents of third-world countries, in essence "teaching them to fish," rather than "giving them a fish," as liberals are so fond of doing.)
 
2012-05-17 01:38:22 PM
As a Canadian working for a Canadian company that US internet providers outsource to, I'm getting a kick I don't want to lose my job.
 
2012-05-17 01:38:24 PM

make me some tea: Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?


It became politically expedient to project it onto their opponents and pretend they never said any such things.

Same reason the dishonest assholes do anything they do anymore.
 
2012-05-17 01:39:09 PM
In January, South Carolina, under the direction of Gov. Nikki Haley, announced that Otis Elevators' North America operations would be adding 360 American jobs thanks to insourcing from Mexico and Florence.

I hope he's not getting Florence, Italy mixed up with Florence, SC.

Oh my I think he is...

Randy Wilcox, head of Otis Elevators' North America operations, said during a break in the White House session that his firm is bringing back 260 mainly American workers from Mexico to make energy-efficient lifts at a former Maytag laundry machine factory in Florence.

Otis Elevators will locate an additional 100 people at the $40 million fabrication, research and shipping plant, with some hired locally and others brought in from its sites in other states.


Link

I guess I should be impressed that the writer even knows there's a Florence in Italy.
 
2012-05-17 01:40:17 PM
Remember when Wal-Mart tried to promote it's American made products?

What a bunch of stinkin' commie libs.
 
2012-05-17 01:40:44 PM
Hey, you got ignorance in my racism! Hey, you got racism in my ignorance!
 
2012-05-17 01:41:16 PM
If Outsourcing went to Union contracts I wouldn't have a bit of a problem with it.
Look at Labor as a natural resource. You would be a fool NOT to sell it to the highest bidder. But if your competitor can steal what he needs instead of paying the market price then, ya you are not going to compete.

/The answer is not to steal from your own people, but make everyone play by the same rules.
//The answer is not to make Americans your slaves, it is to make the Chinese free their workers.
///Free your mind, the rest will follow...
 
2012-05-17 01:41:26 PM

wildcardjack: I can make a pseudo-progressive argument in favor of outsourcing.

America has been at the top for a long time. In order to get the poorer countries up a notch we must employ them at the cost of our own. Yes, the poor here will remain poor, and the rich will remain rich, but the important thing is that the poor will get closer to the poor of other countries and become competitive with them once again.


No, no, no. To do it right, you just have to use the arguments that liberals use for handouts to apply to jobs.

"We have to have compassion for the countries in the world that are not as developed as we are. If you want to deny opportunity to people just because of where they are from, does that not make you racist? I believe in equal opportunity for all people and that means giving people in the third world the dignity of a good job."
 
2012-05-17 01:41:53 PM
Hurr durr HOT AIR almost got me to click, subby.

And yes, outsourcing should be illegal when it's done at the expense of people being put out of work. Yeah. I know that makes you mad.

B-but they're doing jobs Americans no longer want to do derp derp derp
 
2012-05-17 01:42:08 PM
Mrtraveler01
Remember when Wal-Mart tried to promote it's American made products?

...while at the same time increasing their proportion of Chinese-sourced crap from 1/3 to 2/3...
 
2012-05-17 01:42:17 PM

wippit: As a Canadian working for a Canadian company that US internet providers outsource to, I'm getting a kick I don't want to lose my job.


Is it perhaps Sutherland?
 
2012-05-17 01:42:29 PM

make me some tea: Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?


Their overlords sent the memo down that outsourcing is good. Since conservatives no longer use their brains, they decided to parrot the line in order to keep their overlords rich, keep themselves poor, and continue blaming Obama for the economy.

/don't worry, conservatives.
//your bosses aren't going to build a new factory overseas with their tax cuts and then eliminate your positions.
///they'll just buy dozens of yachts, thus making the yacht industry the biggest in the world.
////oh wait, that hasn't actually happened yet for some unknown reason.
 
2012-05-17 01:43:03 PM

RanDomino: Mrtraveler01
Remember when Wal-Mart tried to promote it's American made products?

...while at the same time increasing their proportion of Chinese-sourced crap from 1/3 to 2/3...


But it's the thought that counts right?

/sarcasm
 
2012-05-17 01:43:49 PM

Heraclitus: Outsourcing went to Union contracts I wouldn't have a bit of a problem with it.
Look at Labor as a natural resource. You would be a fool NOT to sell it to the highest bidder. But if your competitor can steal what he needs instead of paying the market price then, ya you are not going to compete


inigo montoya.
 
2012-05-17 01:45:00 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to outsourcing if the country had to pay American minimum wage and had to follow our environmental guidelines.
 
2012-05-17 01:46:33 PM
How much does teablogging pay? I pretty sure I can squeeze out five or six paragraphs of nothing once a day.
 
2012-05-17 01:46:51 PM

make me some tea: Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?


My dad is one of those kind of conservative republicans. Not too long ago he bought a new Kia. When I asked him about it he said "Well, the Korean's have been our allies for a long time."

Pretty awesome.
 
2012-05-17 01:47:00 PM

whidbey: And yes, outsourcing should be illegal when it's done at the expense of people being put out of work. Yeah. I know that makes you mad.


no, it just makes you stupid.
 
2012-05-17 01:47:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They're only outsourcing so that children can have jobs too. If we just repeal the child labor laws, all those jobs will come rushing back into the country and we'll all be rich.


Best part?

Forever.
 
2012-05-17 01:48:04 PM

Headso: I wouldn't be opposed to outsourcing if the country had to pay American minimum wage and had to follow our environmental guidelines.


Me neither. But then you remove the point of outsourcing.
 
2012-05-17 01:48:41 PM

error 303: make me some tea: Days gone by, I remember conservatives lamenting that everything is made in Japan Taiwan Mexico China, and no longer in the good ol' U S of A. Whatever happened to that?

My dad is one of those kind of conservative republicans. Not too long ago he bought a new Kia. When I asked him about it he said "Well, the Korean's have been our allies for a long time."

Pretty awesome.


Plus they pay workers too much here. And all those hidden taxes and benefits. Impossible to compete in a global market.

*straight face*
 
2012-05-17 01:50:04 PM
I don't know why I continue to get surprised at the amazing contortions dumbfark right-wingers will subject themselves to in order to make a point against the scary libs.
 
2012-05-17 01:50:06 PM

HeartBurnKid: Headso: I wouldn't be opposed to outsourcing if the country had to pay American minimum wage and had to follow our environmental guidelines.

Me neither. But then you remove the point of outsourcing.


Well you could still get a cheaper worker because you would probably have to pay a factory worker here twice as much or more. But it wouldn't be orders of magnitude cheaper...
 
2012-05-17 01:51:16 PM

theorellior: I don't know why I continue to get surprised at the amazing contortions dumbfark right-wingers will subject themselves to in order to make a point against the scary libs.


It's a grotesque world.
 
2012-05-17 01:52:03 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They're only outsourcing so that children can have jobs too. If we just repeal the child labor laws, all those jobs will come rushing back into the country and we'll all be rich.


I always have to hold back a certain level of rage at the people that claim these jobs only get outsourced because it's "too expensive" to keep them here.

Really? Your argument is really that we should repeal safety and child labor laws, wage limits, and basic workers' rights because otherwise countries that abuse their citizens will take our jobs?

Here's a better idea: if your company uses foreign labor in a country that doesn't meet basic working standards, your tax rate is 99% and there's a 105% import tax on your products. And if any of your executives spends any time at all in the U.S., your company is "based" here and subject to those rules.

If the third world is good enough for your workers, it's good enough for the execs. Make them live in China if the U.S. is so horrible for them.
 
2012-05-17 01:52:22 PM

Shaggy_C: "We have to have compassion for the countries in the world that are not as developed as we are. If you want to deny opportunity to people just because of where they are from, does that not make you racist? I believe in equal opportunity for all people and that means giving people in the third world the dignity of a good job."


I think you must define that word a bit differently than the rest of us do.

philebersole.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-17 01:52:44 PM
Progressives only support the poor that can vote them more power, fark non citizen poor. How dare India and China raise.their standard of living, they can't vote for American progressives. foreign pour should stay that way.

To liberals it is all about an increase in their political power.
 
2012-05-17 01:53:14 PM
So let me get this straight. A Real American is saying we should be outsourcing more and then goes on to say he likes that we are insourcing as well? Can't we just do the insourcing? Seems to me that would shrink unemployment faster. Oh I forgot, we can't have a significant decrease in unemployment until the black man is out of office. Don't want him to get any credit for anything and have cause to get all uppity.
 
2012-05-17 01:53:17 PM

Headso: I wouldn't be opposed to outsourcing if the country had to pay American minimum wage and had to follow our environmental guidelines.


That's a start. You can throw some OSHA standards in there as well.
 
2012-05-17 01:54:32 PM

Shaggy_C: We have to have compassion for the countries in the world that are not as developed as we are. If you want to deny opportunity to people just because of where they are from, does that not make you racist? I believe in equal opportunity for all people and that means giving people in the third world the dignity of a good job."


yeah, but the problem with that is these corps doing the outsourcing for the most part are paying next to nothing (like 31cents an hour) and driving their neo-slave labor to suicide.

If you're going to claim it's charity how about you let a camera crew loose in the factory complex so we can see just how bright these laborers futures are thanks to our help.

you know most of these companies saving something like 30% by moving jobs to places where labor has zero rights or protections wouldn't want their customers to see what that 30% savings looks like in reality. Personally the few videos I've seen make me wish I never bought an iPhone, it's terrible the way those people are treated, but they have few options so fark 'em amiright?

Sent from my iPhone....*sigh*

/free trade needs to be fair trade, that's good for all.
 
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