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2012-05-17 01:15:39 PM

4NSpy: Ranking of importance

1. Stanley Cup
2. Olympics
3. World Juniors
4. NHL All-star game
.
.
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9001. IIHF World Championship


I think I'd put NHL All Star game @ 9000
 
2012-05-17 01:16:24 PM

PowerSlacker: ontariolightning: I would double my total league revenue moving these teams to cities that will fully support them


[citation needed]


what do you mean by that?
 
2012-05-17 01:16:51 PM

rka: ontariolightning: Canada will still win gold at the Olympics in Russia

Only if they can biatch and moan to get a NHL sized sheet of ice..and maybe have the hockey games played in North America.

Japan - No medal
Salt Lake - Gold
Turin - No medal
Vancouver - Gold


Errrm, Salt Lake was international rink size.
 
2012-05-17 01:17:01 PM

Resolute: ontariolightning: If there's another lockout next season the NHL will lose me

Suddenly I hope there is a lockout.


I probably was joking. I am TML 'til I die
 
2012-05-17 01:19:42 PM

ontariolightning:

I am TML 'til I die


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-17 01:21:36 PM
Come on USA, pick up the pace and stop letting the Fins camp in your zone.
 
2012-05-17 01:21:46 PM
USA up 2-1 midway through the 3rd.
 
2012-05-17 01:22:12 PM

PowerSlacker: ontariolightning: I would double my total league revenue moving these teams to cities that will fully support them


[citation needed]


The irony of his comment is that doubling league revenue would put the salary cap around $118 million and the salary FLOOR around $102 million. At that level, only Toronto is sustainable, and only then, barely. So following his delusion to its logical end actually kills virtually every Canadian market.

Brilliant!
 
2012-05-17 01:22:41 PM

ontariolightning: PowerSlacker: ontariolightning: I would double my total league revenue moving these teams to cities that will fully support them


[citation needed]

what do you mean by that?


You would certainly increase arena revenue. Doubling the entire league revenue (including TV)...not so much.
 
2012-05-17 01:24:29 PM

PowerSlacker: ontariolightning: PowerSlacker: ontariolightning: I would double my total league revenue moving these teams to cities that will fully support them


[citation needed]

what do you mean by that?

You would certainly increase arena revenue. Doubling the entire league revenue (including TV)...not so much.


well, if I moved some of those southern teams to markets that will support it 100 % I would not only make arena revenue go up but also merchandise, and obviously I will have great tv contracts because the teams have a solid fan base
 
2012-05-17 01:25:17 PM
Tie game.

USA was just letting them hang out in their zone for far too long.
 
2012-05-17 01:25:32 PM
Told you so, USA.
 
2012-05-17 01:25:55 PM

Resolute: PowerSlacker: ontariolightning: I would double my total league revenue moving these teams to cities that will fully support them


[citation needed]

The irony of his comment is that doubling league revenue would put the salary cap around $118 million and the salary FLOOR around $102 million. At that level, only Toronto is sustainable, and only then, barely. So following his delusion to its logical end actually kills virtually every Canadian market.

Brilliant!


I wouldn't have the cap, I would delete it.

I wouldn't need it because all of my teams would have support from the city and it's fan base
 
2012-05-17 01:26:10 PM

ontariolightning: move 3 or 5 more to Canada


5 more teams in Canada? That's ridiculous. These are the 10 biggest urban areas in Canada (in order by population) that don't currently have an NHL team:

Quebec City
Hamilton
Kitchener
London
Victoria
St Catherines/Niagara Falls
Halifax
Oshawa
Windsor
Saskatoon

If you actually think five of those cities can support NHL teams you're out to lunch. There might be five places you could put *a* team (even that I doubt), but definitely not homes for five teams.

I think you could put a team in Quebec City and Hamilton (and only Hamilton because it could draw from the next three Ontario cities on the list). That's it.
 
2012-05-17 01:26:17 PM
This one's going to OT isn't it?
 
2012-05-17 01:28:20 PM
Fark, Smith had half the net open there.
 
2012-05-17 01:29:35 PM

costermonger: ontariolightning: move 3 or 5 more to Canada

5 more teams in Canada? That's ridiculous. These are the 10 biggest urban areas in Canada (in order by population) that don't currently have an NHL team:

Quebec City
Hamilton
Kitchener
London
Victoria
St Catherines/Niagara Falls
Halifax
Oshawa
Windsor
Saskatoon

If you actually think five of those cities can support NHL teams you're out to lunch. There might be five places you could put *a* team (even that I doubt), but definitely not homes for five teams.

I think you could put a team in Quebec City and Hamilton (and only Hamilton because it could draw from the next three Ontario cities on the list). That's it.


I said 3 or 5.. meaning it could be the lower number

chill the fark out
 
2012-05-17 01:30:55 PM

costermonger: ontariolightning: move 3 or 5 more to Canada

5 more teams in Canada? That's ridiculous. These are the 10 biggest urban areas in Canada (in order by population) that don't currently have an NHL team:

Quebec City
Hamilton
Kitchener
London
Victoria
St Catherines/Niagara Falls
Halifax
Oshawa
Windsor
Saskatoon

If you actually think five of those cities can support NHL teams you're out to lunch. There might be five places you could put *a* team (even that I doubt), but definitely not homes for five teams.

I think you could put a team in Quebec City and Hamilton (and only Hamilton because it could draw from the next three Ontario cities on the list). That's it.


I think Canada could handle 2 more NHL teams at maximum. One in QC and a second team in Toronto (not Hamilton).

And good for Winnipeg getting their team back, but I'm still not totally convinced at the long-term viability of that market. Winnipeg is tiny, and the arena is small. If the Canadian dollar ever goes south again against USD, Winnipeg is one of the first franchises that will be in big trouble again.
 
2012-05-17 01:32:40 PM

Doc Daneeka: If the Canadian dollar ever goes south again against USD, Winnipeg is one of the first franchises that will be in big trouble again.


I don't see the CDN going down anytime soon like it did in the 90s.. if it does I'm sure it's because the world economy had crashed
 
2012-05-17 01:33:27 PM

ontariolightning: I_Love_Cheesecake:
As for the World Hockey Championships, I read somewhere that the organizers deliberately schedule it during the Stanley Cup playoffs so that Canada (and, to a lesser extent, the USA) can't field strong teams because the best players are still competing for the Cup or are simply too exhausted from a long regular season in the NHL. In other words, this championship is not to be taken seriously.

Euros don't really dream about playing for the Stanley Cup. They dream about representing their countries in world tournaments. I remember Jagr saying his greatest moment was winning the Gold medal for his country.. instead of the back to back Stanley Cup wins with Pittsburgh.

That is one reason why if I were a GM I would fill my team with just North American players.
They dream about playing in the NHL playoffs. Euros don't.


Yeah, using a bunch of European players really hurt the Red Wings the last 15 or so years, right?
 
2012-05-17 01:34:35 PM
A 10 minute OT then a shootout? Farking lame.
 
2012-05-17 01:36:18 PM

meanmutton: ontariolightning: I_Love_Cheesecake:
As for the World Hockey Championships, I read somewhere that the organizers deliberately schedule it during the Stanley Cup playoffs so that Canada (and, to a lesser extent, the USA) can't field strong teams because the best players are still competing for the Cup or are simply too exhausted from a long regular season in the NHL. In other words, this championship is not to be taken seriously.

Euros don't really dream about playing for the Stanley Cup. They dream about representing their countries in world tournaments. I remember Jagr saying his greatest moment was winning the Gold medal for his country.. instead of the back to back Stanley Cup wins with Pittsburgh.

That is one reason why if I were a GM I would fill my team with just North American players.
They dream about playing in the NHL playoffs. Euros don't.

Yeah, using a bunch of European players really hurt the Red Wings the last 15 or so years, right?


And most of their grinders (who you win championships with) were Canadian

Pretty sure without Yzerman, Osgood, Vernon, McCarty, Draper, Shanny,. they would not have won back to back Cups despite the Russian 5
 
2012-05-17 01:36:45 PM
Well the USA is out too.
 
2012-05-17 01:36:49 PM
Oh for christ's sake. Eight goddamn seconds left.
 
2012-05-17 01:38:03 PM
Motherfarker!!!!

That's what you get for letting them camp.
 
2012-05-17 01:38:32 PM
LOL, U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
 
2012-05-17 01:40:14 PM

ontariolightning: LOL, U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!


Just remember, the USA beat Canada in this tournament.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-05-17 01:41:11 PM

9beers: ontariolightning: LOL, U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!

Just remember, the USA beat Canada in this tournament.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Yes, they did

but the result is still the same
 
2012-05-17 01:41:54 PM
Well now that the US and Latvia are out, I've got no dog left in the fight.

I guess go Slovakia.
 
2012-05-17 01:42:21 PM
Come on Sweeeeeden beat the Czechs
 
2012-05-17 01:43:30 PM
8 Farking seconds....[goes & kicks the dog...gets bit in return....just one of those days]
 
2012-05-17 01:45:15 PM

ontariolightning: but the result is still the same


It sure is, the country that owns hockey (according to you) is out of the tournament at the same time as the country that sucks at hockey (according to you). Face it, Canada isn't, and hasn't been the top hockey country for some time now.

Don't worry, you guys are still pretty good at curling, right?
 
2012-05-17 01:48:24 PM

9beers: ontariolightning: but the result is still the same

It sure is, the country that owns hockey (according to you) is out of the tournament at the same time as the country that sucks at hockey (according to you). Face it, Canada isn't, and hasn't been the top hockey country for some time now.

Don't worry, you guys are still pretty good at curling, right?


2 gold medals in last 3 olympics says otherwise
 
2012-05-17 01:50:53 PM
This thread is getting interesting
 
2012-05-17 01:51:23 PM

ontariolightning: Doc Daneeka:

Just to be clear, you wouldn't take Lidstrom, Forsberg, Fedorov, Selanne, Jagr, or Hasek on your team.

Even if we are talking in their prime... no, I would not. I, however would take Yzerman, Sakic, Messier, Kariya, Bourque, Modano, Hull, Roy, Broduer


Wait, you'd say no to:
Lidstrom - 4 Stanley Cups, 7 Norris Trophies
Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, Calder Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, 886 points in 708 regular season games; 171 points in 151 regular season games
Federov - 3 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, 2 Selke Trophies, 483 regular season goals, 52 playoff goals
Selane - Stanley Cup winner, Calder Trophy, 600+ career goals, 76 goals in one season
Jagr - 2 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, 5x Art Ross trophy, 600+ regular season goals
Hasek - Stanley Cup winner, 6 Vezina Trophies, two Hart trophies, Highest career save percentage in NHL hsitory, career 2.20 GAA and .922 save percentage

You wouldn't want these guys to play for you because they're European? Arguably the best defenseman and best goalie of all time and you don't want them because the two of them only have 5 Stanley Cup rings and 13 best-of-position awards between them?
 
2012-05-17 01:53:54 PM

ontariolightning: meanmutton: ontariolightning: I_Love_Cheesecake:
As for the World Hockey Championships, I read somewhere that the organizers deliberately schedule it during the Stanley Cup playoffs so that Canada (and, to a lesser extent, the USA) can't field strong teams because the best players are still competing for the Cup or are simply too exhausted from a long regular season in the NHL. In other words, this championship is not to be taken seriously.

Euros don't really dream about playing for the Stanley Cup. They dream about representing their countries in world tournaments. I remember Jagr saying his greatest moment was winning the Gold medal for his country.. instead of the back to back Stanley Cup wins with Pittsburgh.

That is one reason why if I were a GM I would fill my team with just North American players.
They dream about playing in the NHL playoffs. Euros don't.

Yeah, using a bunch of European players really hurt the Red Wings the last 15 or so years, right?

And most of their grinders (who you win championships with) were Canadian

Pretty sure without Yzerman, Osgood, Vernon, McCarty, Draper, Shanny,. they would not have won back to back Cups despite the Russian 5


I must have missed all those Stanley Cups won by teams full of grinders.

Pretty sure that without Larioniv, Lidstrom, Federov, Konstantinov, Fetisov, Holmstrom, etc., they'd have had some problems winning those Cups, too.
 
2012-05-17 01:54:02 PM

meanmutton: Arguably the best defenseman and best goalie of all time and you don't want them because the two of them only have 5 Stanley Cup rings and 13 best-of-position awards between them?


Arguably the best? No, Bobby Orr was the best d man and Brodeur best goalie of all time
 
2012-05-17 01:54:12 PM

ontariolightning: 2 gold medals in last 3 olympics says otherwise


It's also 2 out of the last 18. You know, the same number of golds as the USA in that span.

Don't worry though, you've won that last two men's curling golds, you're still pretty good at that.
 
2012-05-17 01:58:23 PM
Goood. Let the butthurt flow.
 
2012-05-17 01:59:44 PM
Huh, a little work with the "ignore" functions and suddenly this thread becomes readable.
 
2012-05-17 02:00:48 PM
Well with one quarterfinal to go, we know most of the 2012 IIHF ranking and therefore some of the groups for next year's tournament and the 2014 Olympics.

Rankings: Top 3 will be Finland, Russia, and the Czech/Sweden winner in some order based on final four. Whichever of those three does best here is #1. Fourth is Sweden if they lose today (else Canada). Fifth is Czech if they lose today (else Canada). Sixth is Slovakia if they make finals (else USA), seventh is Slovakia if they lose semifinals (else USA), eighth is Norway. Ninth, and the last automatic spot to the Olympics, is Switzerland.

2013 IIHF groups:
Group 1: #1, #4*, #5, Norway, Switzerland, Belarus, Denmark, Slovenia
Group 2: #2, #3*, Slovakia, USA, Germany, Latvia, France, Austria
*-If Finland and Sweden would wind up in the same group, swap the 3/4 seed.

2014 Olympic groups:
Group A: #1, Slovakia, USA, qualifier [BLR/DEN/SVN/???]
Group B: #2, #5, Norway, qualifier [LTV/FRA/KAZ/???]
Group C: #3, #4, Switzerland, qualifier [GER/AUT/ITA/???]
 
2012-05-17 02:01:12 PM

ontariolightning: No, Bobby Orr was the best d man and Brodeur best goalie of all time


Lidstrom > Orr
Roy > Brodeur
 
2012-05-17 02:13:34 PM

meanmutton: ontariolightning: Doc Daneeka:

Just to be clear, you wouldn't take Lidstrom, Forsberg, Fedorov, Selanne, Jagr, or Hasek on your team.

Even if we are talking in their prime... no, I would not. I, however would take Yzerman, Sakic, Messier, Kariya, Bourque, Modano, Hull, Roy, Broduer

Wait, you'd say no to:
Lidstrom - 4 Stanley Cups, 7 Norris Trophies
Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, Calder Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, 886 points in 708 regular season games; 171 points in 151 regular season games
Federov - 3 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, 2 Selke Trophies, 483 regular season goals, 52 playoff goals
Selane - Stanley Cup winner, Calder Trophy, 600+ career goals, 76 goals in one season
Jagr - 2 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, 5x Art Ross trophy, 600+ regular season goals
Hasek - Stanley Cup winner, 6 Vezina Trophies, two Hart trophies, Highest career save percentage in NHL hsitory, career 2.20 GAA and .922 save percentage

You wouldn't want these guys to play for you because they're European? Arguably the best defenseman and best goalie of all time and you don't want them because the two of them only have 5 Stanley Cup rings and 13 best-of-position awards between them?


I countered your euro players with these players in the first page
why would I want these Canadian/ American players over your european players?
Don't make me laugh


Yzerman- 3 Stanley Cups as player and 1 as executive, Lester B Pearson award, Conn Smythe, Frank J Selke
Bill Masterton Memorial, Lester Patrick, 692 regular season goals, 70 playoff goals

Sakic- 2 Stanley Cups, Conn Smythe, Hart memorial, Lady Byngm Lester B Pearson, 625 regular season goals, 84 playoff goals

Messier- 6 Stanley Cups, 2 Hart Memorial trophy, Conn Smythe, 2 Lester B Pearson, 694 regular season goals, 109 playoff goals

Kariya- Lady Byng 2 times, 402 regular season goals, 46 playoff goals

Bourque - 1 Stanley Cup, Norris Trophy 5 times, King Clancy Memorial, Lester Patrick Trophy, 410 regular season goals, 41 playoff goals

Modano - 1 Stanley Cup, 561 regular season goals, 58 playoff goals

Hull - 2 Stanley Cups, Lady Byng Memorial, Hart Memorial, Lester B Pearson award, 741 regular season goals, 103 playoff goals

Roy - 4 Stanley Cups, 3 Conn Smythes, 5 William Jennings trophies, 3 Vezina trophies, 551 regular season wins
66 shut outs, 151 playoff wins and 23 playoff shutouts

Broduer (currently still playing) - 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, William M Jennings
656 regular season wins, 119 regular season shutouts, 106 playoff wins, 24 playoff shutouts
 
2012-05-17 02:19:26 PM
I'm outta this thread before all the Fins and Slovaks show up to talk trash.
 
2012-05-17 02:24:31 PM

9beers: ontariolightning: No, Bobby Orr was the best d man and Brodeur best goalie of all time

Lidstrom > Orr


Let's compare

Lidstrom - 4 Stanley Cups, 7 Norris Trophies,, 1 Conn Smythe, Plus/Minus of + 450

Orr - 2 Stanley Cups, 8 Norris Trophies, 2 Conn Smythe trophies, Plus/Minus of + 597 2 Art Ross trophies, Calder memorial trophy, 3 Hart Memorial trophies, .. and you were claiming Lidstrom was a better d man than Orr? get the fark out, you obviously know nothing about hockey
 
2012-05-17 02:26:02 PM

9beers:
Roy > Brodeur


Clearly Brodeur is the best goalie of all time

Roy - 4 Stanley Cups, 3 Conn Smythes, 5 William Jennings trophies, 3 Vezina trophies, 551 regular season wins
66 shut outs, 151 playoff wins and 23 playoff shutouts

Broduer (currently still playing) - 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, William M Jennings
656 regular season wins, 119 regular season shutouts, 106 playoff wins, 24 playoff shutouts
 
2012-05-17 02:31:49 PM

9beers: ontariolightning: 2 gold medals in last 3 olympics says otherwise

It's also 2 out of the last 18. You know, the same number of golds as the USA in that span.

Don't worry though, you've won that last two men's curling golds, you're still pretty good at that.


I realize you are trolling Ontariolightning here, but do you really think that any Olympic result prior to when Canada and the US were able to use their top pros in the same way the Europeans could has any relevance?

The best thing that ever happened to international hockey was when Canada told the IIHF to go fark itself in 1970. The second best was when the IIHF opened the Olympics up to all pros in time for the 1988 games. As it is the Olympics have only been a true best-on-best tournament since 1998.
 
2012-05-17 02:32:21 PM

ontariolightning: meanmutton: Arguably the best defenseman and best goalie of all time and you don't want them because the two of them only have 5 Stanley Cup rings and 13 best-of-position awards between them?

Arguably the best? No, Bobby Orr was the best d man and Brodeur best goalie of all time


ontariolightning: meanmutton: ontariolightning: Doc Daneeka:

Just to be clear, you wouldn't take Lidstrom, Forsberg, Fedorov, Selanne, Jagr, or Hasek on your team.

Even if we are talking in their prime... no, I would not. I, however would take Yzerman, Sakic, Messier, Kariya, Bourque, Modano, Hull, Roy, Broduer

Wait, you'd say no to:
Lidstrom - 4 Stanley Cups, 7 Norris Trophies
Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, Calder Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, 886 points in 708 regular season games; 171 points in 151 regular season games
Federov - 3 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, 2 Selke Trophies, 483 regular season goals, 52 playoff goals
Selane - Stanley Cup winner, Calder Trophy, 600+ career goals, 76 goals in one season
Jagr - 2 Stanley Cups, Hart Trophy, 5x Art Ross trophy, 600+ regular season goals
Hasek - Stanley Cup winner, 6 Vezina Trophies, two Hart trophies, Highest career save percentage in NHL hsitory, career 2.20 GAA and .922 save percentage

You wouldn't want these guys to play for you because they're European? Arguably the best defenseman and best goalie of all time and you don't want them because the two of them only have 5 Stanley Cup rings and 13 best-of-position awards between them?

I countered your euro players with these players in the first page
why would I want these Canadian/ American players over your european players?
Don't make me laugh


Those North American players have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

There's no one here that's stupid enough to say "I wouldn't want Steve Yzerman on my NHL team". However, there's someone here that's stupid enough to say "I wouldn't want Dominic Hasek on my NHL team" and so mind blowingly stupid that he thinks that when the Sabers traded for Hasek that there was an opportunity that they could have traded garbage to get Bordeur instead.
 
2012-05-17 02:32:33 PM

9beers: ontariolightning: but the result is still the same

It sure is, the country that owns hockey (according to you) is out of the tournament at the same time as the country that sucks at hockey (according to you). Face it, Canada isn't, and hasn't been the top hockey country for some time now.

Don't worry, you guys are still pretty good at curling, right?


As both an Ontarian and a meteorologist, please don't lump me in with him.
 
2012-05-17 02:34:41 PM

meanmutton:

Those North American players have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

There's no one here that's stupid enough to say "I wouldn't want Steve Yzerman on my NHL team". However, there's someone here that's stupid enough to say "I wouldn't want Dominic Hasek on my NHL team" and so mind blowingly stupid that he thinks that when the Sabers traded for Hasek that there was an opportunity that they could have traded garbage to get Bordeur instead...


I wouldn't want Hasek. He was always a diva and from what I read he was hard to work with.
 
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