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2012-05-17 07:53:19 AM  
I've always wanted to invest in a company whose intrinsic value is based on the whims of teenagers.
 
2012-05-17 09:11:00 AM  
20 years of internet history over here, with a long unbroken line of social sites that were the greatest best thing going at that time. 40 years if you want to include stuff like The Well and the PLATO network. Pick up the timeline in the mid-80s... usenet and BBSs.. and go forward.. then Compuserve, Prodigy and Walled Gardens like them, then early ISPs and AOL, then Tripod, Angelfire and Geocities, then slashdot, then somethingawful and fark, then 'sters (napster, friendster, etc), then digg, living social and de.li.cio.us ... myspace's rise and fall... flickr, tumblr, and all the other 'ending in r' sites... All have had their time when they were the big thing all the cool kids used.

over here, Facebook. Claiming its new, unique and is going to last.
 
2012-05-17 09:57:35 AM  

Generation_D: 20 years of internet history over here, with a long unbroken line of social sites that were the greatest best thing going at that time. 40 years if you want to include stuff like The Well and the PLATO network. Pick up the timeline in the mid-80s... usenet and BBSs.. and go forward.. then Compuserve, Prodigy and Walled Gardens like them, then early ISPs and AOL, then Tripod, Angelfire and Geocities, then slashdot, then somethingawful and fark, then 'sters (napster, friendster, etc), then digg, living social and de.li.cio.us ... myspace's rise and fall... flickr, tumblr, and all the other 'ending in r' sites... All have had their time when they were the big thing all the cool kids used.

over here, Facebook. Claiming its new, unique and is going to last.


If they don't get their mobile act together they're going to be irrelevant in a few years, no matter how smart Zuckerberg is.
 
2012-05-17 10:26:31 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Vive la resistance!
 
2012-05-17 10:28:19 AM  
Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).
 
2012-05-17 10:41:40 AM  
The people who do not go on facebook in larger part is also a group that finds reality shows repugnant and lacking any redeeming value or story line. If a person already has strong narcissist tendencies there is a host of options already with tweeter filling the need to tell others things you are doing and facebook already becoming passé'.
 
2012-05-17 10:47:57 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it.


I'm not. Never have been, never will be.

Is "I'm not on Facebook" guy the new "I don't even own a TV" guy?
 
2012-05-17 10:52:04 AM  

eurotrader: The people who do not go on facebook in larger part is also a group that finds reality shows repugnant and lacking any redeeming value or story line. If a person already has strong narcissist tendencies there is a host of options already with tweeter filling the need to tell others things you are doing and facebook already becoming passé'.


I think you're overthinking and overgeneralizing this.

I'm not on facebook because I've got better shiat to do -- like be on fark.
 
2012-05-17 11:31:01 AM  
I'm on Facebook. Spend quite a bit of time there, actually. But I don't need it. It could disappear tomorrow and my life wouldn't be immensely impacted.

Now, Google on the other hand...
 
2012-05-17 11:39:44 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).


This. Their decision to become the de facto way of families and distant relations to carry out usual functions of family life & communications (picture sharing, games, etc.) was the best decision they ever made. To move on from Facebook is going to take a company willing to find a way of importing friends from Facebook, etc. in the easiest and laziest manner possible, so that the people who are internet novices can do it on a whim. G+ didn't get that, and that's why they've become mocked.
 
2012-05-17 11:40:39 AM  

eurotrader: The people who do not go on facebook in larger part is also a group that finds reality shows repugnant and lacking any redeeming value or story line.


THIS.

Donnchadha: I'm not on facebook because I've got better shiat to do -- like be on fark.


And THAT.

/I will only be on Facebook - or its replacement - once my 3 year old is old enough to be on there, to watch over her.
 
2012-05-17 11:48:17 AM  
There seems to be a disconnect between people who use facebook and people who are on facebook.

Maybe 5 years from now people won't just sit on facebook looking through statuses, playing games, etc...but they'll still have an account, they'll still use it to write quick messages to people they don't want to call, and they'll still use it to see pics of their new niece.
 
2012-05-17 11:51:03 AM  
No one "needs" Facebook.
 
2012-05-17 11:53:35 AM  
scienceblogs.com

/Someone had to do it.
 
2012-05-17 11:56:10 AM  
I'm a proud Facebook quitter. Of course, my account has been hacked since I left because I can't delete it. So I've been forced to log in so I can change my password and re-inactivate it afterwards.

Best tip yet, kids...don't start.
 
2012-05-17 11:56:20 AM  

qorkfiend: No one "needs" Facebook.


No one "needs" beer or sex.
 
2012-05-17 11:59:20 AM  
For me living outside my country with several acquaintances in other countries is useful to keep track on what people are doing, I certainly don't "need" it but is a nice thing to have. Access permissions have been completely customizable even before Goggle+, people are just too dumb to even check them, but if you want you can become completely invisible to anyone specifically, or a group.
 
2012-05-17 11:59:24 AM  
Beer and sex serve a purpose. Facebook is for sucks.
 
2012-05-17 11:59:56 AM  
I created a facebook page because my GF insisted that I do so. She had pictures she wanted me to see.

Then I didn't use it for months at a time.

Then Farmville hit. I played that for a week or two. Got bored of it. Stopped logging in.

Then I didn't use it for months at a time.

So I deleted my account. It would appear that facebook fills some need for some people. I guess I'm not one of them. I'm a young hip computer guy but I still prefer to go see/hang out with my friends and talk to them. Maybe hit them up on IM or whatever. I don't really need a social media site to manage my social life. I don't feel the urge to artificially inflate my social life.
 
2012-05-17 12:00:04 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: qorkfiend: No one "needs" Facebook.

No one "needs" beer or sex.


pffft, says you
 
2012-05-17 12:02:41 PM  
Look, until someone comes up with a better way to stalk all the girls in high school and college I never got with, I'm staying on Facebook.
 
2012-05-17 12:02:54 PM  

FriarReb98: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

This. Their decision to become the de facto way of families and distant relations to carry out usual functions of family life & communications (picture sharing, games, etc.) was the best decision they ever made. To move on from Facebook is going to take a company willing to find a way of importing friends from Facebook, etc. in the easiest and laziest manner possible, so that the people who are internet novices can do it on a whim. G+ didn't get that, and that's why they've become mocked.


Pinterest.
 
2012-05-17 12:03:45 PM  
Proud facebook quitter here, too.

Of course, I've also recently been sucked in by Twitter. Which is (somehow) even more isolating and narcissistic than facebook ever was. Go figure.
 
2012-05-17 12:04:06 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).


The same argument AOL used against MySpace.
The same argument MySpace used against Facebook.
The same argument Facebook will use against whoever succeeds them.
 
2012-05-17 12:04:12 PM  
I can't wait til they eventually start charging. It'll be something like a buck a month, but it won't matter. Waves of people cancel their accounts.
 
2012-05-17 12:05:12 PM  
Facebook will end up providing web services to manage social media for other, smaller, younger, more savvy companies willing to fight tooth and nail, killing themselves to bring "engaging user experiences" to whatever ridiculous Furby everyone is buying to look at porn with.

Making UI/UX is the most painstaking, error-prone, oft-criticized, difficult-to-test and therefore expensive in terms of talent and effort of all the programming disciplines. You can't hire the right people unless you let them work buck naked from home (your home), buried in money. You have to be constantly buying $500 phones that end up in a cardboard box, taken out for 6 hours a month to test. Code performance is actually an issue again for the first time in 5-10 years.

In a couple of years, all of this will be a distant painful memory, but for right now, it's tough being an internet company. Best off just making boring-old services, sdks and apis. Mobile and UX is a young mans' game, and facebook is already middle-aged for a social media company.

/middle-aged
 
2012-05-17 12:07:59 PM  
Just quit FB when TimeLIne went live. Something about making it that easy for someone to go "Omg you said THAT in 2008??" when it's 2012 just didn't seem right. "Deleted" (as much as I can be sure that FB deletes anything) all the posts and then deactivated my account. I've been out for a little over a month.

The conclusion I've come to? FB is simply another way of watching "reality" TV, just starring you and your friends. I've found better things to do.
 
2012-05-17 12:08:13 PM  

HempHead: FriarReb98: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

This. Their decision to become the de facto way of families and distant relations to carry out usual functions of family life & communications (picture sharing, games, etc.) was the best decision they ever made. To move on from Facebook is going to take a company willing to find a way of importing friends from Facebook, etc. in the easiest and laziest manner possible, so that the people who are internet novices can do it on a whim. G+ didn't get that, and that's why they've become mocked.

Pinterest.


Pinterest won't last. The user base is too narrow, and they're largely also on Facebook, which they will gravitate to because there are just more people there.
 
2012-05-17 12:09:33 PM  

netweavr: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

The same argument AOL used against MySpace.
The same argument MySpace used against Facebook.
The same argument Facebook will use against whoever succeeds them.


It is enviable once a company goes public and hires professional Wall Street finance guys to run the company.

What has the Google done lately that was revolutionairy? It is slowly following Yahoo! into obscurity.
 
2012-05-17 12:09:42 PM  
I stopped using it about 2 years ago after getting repeated farmville invites and stupid status updates.
 
2012-05-17 12:11:39 PM  

SharkTrager: HempHead: FriarReb98: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

This. Their decision to become the de facto way of families and distant relations to carry out usual functions of family life & communications (picture sharing, games, etc.) was the best decision they ever made. To move on from Facebook is going to take a company willing to find a way of importing friends from Facebook, etc. in the easiest and laziest manner possible, so that the people who are internet novices can do it on a whim. G+ didn't get that, and that's why they've become mocked.

Pinterest.

Pinterest won't last. The user base is too narrow, and they're largely also on Facebook, which they will gravitate to because there are just more people there.


The UI is excellent on Pinterest and other sites are starting to copy their design layout. That is always a good sign.
 
2012-05-17 12:12:02 PM  

netweavr: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

The same argument AOL used against MySpace.
The same argument MySpace used against Facebook.
The same argument Facebook will use against whoever succeeds them.


AOL didn't compete with MySpace, and didn't have a social presence worth mentioning. AOL's death was because broadband took over and they were part of a corporation in chaos.

MySpace killed themselves and never had anywhere near the reach or integration of apps, games and web sites Facebook has. Facebook not only beat them handily on functionality, they learned from their mistakes and haven't duplicated them.

If Facebook can use the Instagram acquisition to improve their mobile presence they will be very hard to beat.
 
2012-05-17 12:13:02 PM  

HempHead: SharkTrager: HempHead: FriarReb98: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

This. Their decision to become the de facto way of families and distant relations to carry out usual functions of family life & communications (picture sharing, games, etc.) was the best decision they ever made. To move on from Facebook is going to take a company willing to find a way of importing friends from Facebook, etc. in the easiest and laziest manner possible, so that the people who are internet novices can do it on a whim. G+ didn't get that, and that's why they've become mocked.

Pinterest.

Pinterest won't last. The user base is too narrow, and they're largely also on Facebook, which they will gravitate to because there are just more people there.

The UI is excellent on Pinterest and other sites are starting to copy their design layout. That is always a good sign.


Not for Pinterest it isn't. It means their nascent market shear gets fragmented. It just means they came up with an idea people like and then stole.
 
2012-05-17 12:14:19 PM  
I don't use Facebook. It's just a fad. I don't own a TV either. But I do use the internet, because there aren't enough people on ham radio to be smug to on there.
 
2012-05-17 12:16:12 PM  
TheMysteriousStranger : qorkfiend: No one "needs" Facebook.

No one "needs" beer or sex.


Sex is necessary for the survival of humanity. It also releases lots of positive chemicals in the brain. It further serves as a form of socializing, or an impetus towards it. So yes, in a sense we "need" sex.

Beer has some health benefits. It provides a little nutrition, by way of calories. Beer and other alcoholic beverages can be used as social lubricant, sometimes even leading to the other needed activity. Maybe beer is not needed, but it falls closer to the "can't live without" line than other items.

TL:DR version - sex and beer are needed, at least once in a while. Can't say the same for Facebook.
 
2012-05-17 12:20:46 PM  
I've had an online presence since 1993, and I have a proud tradition of not being on Myspace, Livejournal (remember when everyone had one of those?), Facebook, Twitter, Friendster...

I still have ICQ. I'm the only person I know on it.

/I became the old guy yelling at the kids on my lawn before I turned 30
 
2012-05-17 12:25:52 PM  
What's Facebook?
 
2012-05-17 12:26:31 PM  

Honest Bender: So I deleted my account. It would appear that facebook fills some need for some people.


I'm a never-ever. I think it's a vanity / arrogance thing. Me? I know there's not a soul on this planet who actually gives a shiat about my day-to-day activities / pictures / thoughts / whatever.

Message boards like Fark offer a pseudo-anonymity that means we're all just the pointless old man shouting at clouds... (but Fark is often funnier, smarter, more interesting than most other general-interest boards). And because we're all just anonymous idiots, we can favorite / ignore / battle / praise / etc to our heart's content without any risk of offending someone you're *actually* related to, or *actually* care about.

But what I'm doing in real life? What I'm *actually* thinking about things? My day-to-day activities? Yeah, no one cares, and I'm not arrogant enough to think they do.

The only thing I miss is pictures of some activities... "dude, I put all my regatta pics on Facebook now... sign up." And, well, that's not enough incentive to have another time-sink, deal with all the privacy issues, etc etc etc.

Sure, maybe it'd be fun to reconnect with an old flame or two, or find out that biatch who was a biatch to you in high school is now fat and surrounded by 4 unruly kids or something, or the girl you had a silent crush on had a silent crush on you and you can laugh about it now, but none of that actually happens in real life, anyway. Better chance, in fact, that the dimwitted asshole high school jock has floated through life and is a modestly-successful wealthy dimwitted asshole ex-jock, and that's just too depressing to risk discovering.

HempHead: It is enviable once a company goes public and hires professional Wall Street finance guys to run the company.


I think you meant "inevitable" and got auto-corrected, yeah?

If so, your point stands... the pressure of being a public company (and thus having to respond to shareholders and "provide shareholder value" etc etc etc) really seems to destroy a company's soul in most cases, through one path or another. Must hire Wall Street people. Must hire Wall-Street-Dictated CEO. Must push new product to make quarter numbers. Ugh.
 
2012-05-17 12:28:41 PM  
Quit Facebook a while back. The only reason I even signed up in the first place was to see if one particular friend of mine from long ago had a page (he didn't), and to be aware of things going on with my then-girlfriend-now-wife. The "friend from long ago" is no longer, and I have my wife's login credentials, so I have zero need or desire for my own page. I just filled it with random things to entertain and disturb people, and as a point of access to yell at people I didn't like...so kinda like Fark anyway.

No point to Facebook when you don't have any friends.

/hermit
//Fark is for teh lulz, not socializing
 
2012-05-17 12:28:47 PM  
never been on facebook, never will despite insistence from family

has nothing to do with smugness; it's a combination of A) seeing no personal use for it and B) antisocial and like it

/the people I would WANT to talk to already have my phone number
 
2012-05-17 12:29:55 PM  

SharkTrager: HempHead: SharkTrager: HempHead: FriarReb98: Rev. Skarekroe: Facebook isn't going anywhere. That's because everyone and their mom (literally) is on it. Even when they stupidly change stuff around, people don't want to start from scratch on some other social network and start finding all their high school friends again (nice try though, Google +).

This. Their decision to become the de facto way of families and distant relations to carry out usual functions of family life & communications (picture sharing, games, etc.) was the best decision they ever made. To move on from Facebook is going to take a company willing to find a way of importing friends from Facebook, etc. in the easiest and laziest manner possible, so that the people who are internet novices can do it on a whim. G+ didn't get that, and that's why they've become mocked.

Pinterest.

Pinterest won't last. The user base is too narrow, and they're largely also on Facebook, which they will gravitate to because there are just more people there.

The UI is excellent on Pinterest and other sites are starting to copy their design layout. That is always a good sign.

Not for Pinterest it isn't. It means their nascent market shear gets fragmented. It just means they came up with an idea people like and then stole.


They are already in the top 10 websites traffic wise. They are hardly nascent.

They drive more traffic than Twitter.

The user base is mainly females under 35.

Facebook is now popular amongst senior citizens.
 
2012-05-17 12:29:57 PM  
Oh FFS. That means that I'm technically a hipster of sorts because I refuse to sign up for the myfaceplacelinkpage crap.

I only miss out on some photos that friends/family are to damn lazy to rehost on the bucket. In return I don't have to deal with a dipshiat and his corporate cronies leaking my information to the Internet.

i'mokwiththis.jpg
 
2012-05-17 12:36:58 PM  
awesome. I always wanted to be a resister. Although I'd really love to be a capacitor.

seriously, I don;t consider myself to be resisting anything. I just don't see any need to be on Facebook. My 12 yo asked for a FB page recently. I said no, of course. But I told his mom just last night that prolly 2 years from now I'll have to let him go on social networks, which means that my days in the resistance are limited because he ain't going on without me to watch over his nonsense. plus, I don't want to miss out on the chance to troll his teenage, shiat-talking ass.
 
2012-05-17 12:39:27 PM  
I don't use the internet. Too dangerous.
 
2012-05-17 12:40:29 PM  
FTFA: Facebook is likely to have an estimated market valuation of some $100 billion, making it worth more than Kraft Foods, Ford or Disney.

That's simply disgusting and mind-boggling.
 
2012-05-17 12:53:56 PM  

fawlty: FTFA: Facebook is likely to have an estimated market valuation of some $100 billion, making it worth more than Kraft Foods, Ford or Disney.

That's simply disgusting and mind-boggling.


Why is it so far fetched? My Fark profile is worth easily half a billion and I should know because I've consulted a very knowledgeable individual on these things: me. If you hurry now you can get access to preferred shares of the IPO when I go public in June.
 
2012-05-17 12:55:02 PM  
I'm pretty adamantly anti-social media sites, but I do have a couple of sucky blogs so I try no to be all hipster-y about it. Does that make me a resister?
 
2012-05-17 12:56:35 PM  
i prefer the outernet.
 
2012-05-17 12:56:59 PM  
Did KableTown acquire YouFace when they bought NBC, or was YouFace a separate subsidiary of GE Sheinhardt Universal?

Either way, me not wanna go to there.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to put something in my Funcooker.
 
2012-05-17 01:15:12 PM  

eurotrader: The people who do not go on facebook in larger part is also a group that finds reality shows repugnant and lacking any redeeming value or story line.


I resemble that remark.

/resister, and proud of it
 
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