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(USA Today)   Remember the fine print of the Verizon contract that states they can change the terms any time they want? Well, it's that time   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2012-05-17 08:51:21 AM  
Fran Shammo, CFO of Verizon Communications

Verizon's Chief Technical Officer, Samuel Buttfister, was unavailable for comment.
 
2012-05-17 08:56:13 AM  
You feel that rape? That's the glorious free market citizen. Enjoy it!
 
2012-05-17 09:08:08 AM  
I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?
 
2012-05-17 09:23:55 AM  
Fran Shammo has a new Schticky.
 
2012-05-17 09:47:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?


Yes, and unlimited texting, all cellphone calls do not count against your minutes so even if you have a crappy 450 min plan it is unlikely you will go over. Oh they also have a roaming agreement with Verizon so you do not give up a thing as far as coverage. To be fair Verizon has a much better 4g network but Sprint is not bad. I use wifi most of the time anyway.
 
2012-05-17 09:57:06 AM  
Oh, you mean the unlimited plan that was essentially keeping me anchored at Verizon? Thanks, prick! What a weight off my shoulders! Now I can leave you douchebags behind.
 
2012-05-17 10:01:09 AM  
The invisible hand that fists you. Lie back and like it, citizen.
 
2012-05-17 10:03:30 AM  
Between this and the annoying Mother's Day commercials, the idiots in charge need to be charged and imprisoned as war criminals.

/has Sprint anyway
 
2012-05-17 10:03:38 AM  
I don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.
 
2012-05-17 10:03:48 AM  

kingoomieiii: Oh, you mean the unlimited plan that was essentially keeping me anchored at Verizon? Thanks, prick! What a weight off my shoulders! Now I can leave you douchebags behind.


This!

Had a steal of a grandfathered deal across the whole plan. We jumped on that early when it wasn't called a data plan, it was just net access. So I could check results on a game I played while away from a computer. On a flip phone no less. We avoided jumping when Iphones came out strictly because of this. We avoided jumping after realizing 'upgrades' at Verizon meant nothing towards a savings on a purchase because of it. 15$ a month for every phone on our plan to have unlimited data. I'm not thrilled about this.
 
2012-05-17 10:03:54 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The invisible hand that fists you. Lie back and like it, citizen.


Can you feel me now?

www.omdoubleg.com
 
2012-05-17 10:03:56 AM  
They have altered the deal. Pray they don't alter it further.
 
2012-05-17 10:04:20 AM  
I've been on Verizon forever. I have an iPhone 4 that isn't due for an upgrade for another year, so it looks like I'm good for now. But when the time comes, it may be time to move.
 
2012-05-17 10:04:29 AM  
What butthurt, and here I was unaware on the apparently constitutional right to unlimited 4G based on most of the "citizen" comments so far.
 
2012-05-17 10:05:23 AM  

abfalter: They have altered the deal. Pray they don't alter it further.


nice, very nice...
 
2012-05-17 10:05:38 AM  
I must be a luddite. I've had my Android since the beginning of October and, except for the first month, I've never exceeded 600 MB of data.
 
2012-05-17 10:06:06 AM  
I sorta hope Apple does start up its own carrier service, I think the competition would really help reshape the cell market in the US
 
2012-05-17 10:07:27 AM  
I went to Straight Talk after Verizon sold me a phone that doesn't work out where I live. Then they proceeded to continually bill me AFTER I ended my contract. I'm glad they're gone.
 
2012-05-17 10:07:58 AM  

TheIndependent: What butthurt, and here I was unaware on the apparently constitutional right to unlimited 4G based on most of the "citizen" comments so far.


You almost had me for a second. Your needless quotes did it. 5/10. You need more sarcasm.
 
2012-05-17 10:08:01 AM  
So since they change their contract are Verizon users able to opt out of theirs without paying like $400 termination fee?
 
2012-05-17 10:08:10 AM  

TheIndependent: What butthurt, and here I was unaware on the apparently constitutional right to unlimited 4G based on most of the "citizen" comments so far.


Huh? Nobody's even mentioned the Constitution.

What thread are you reading?
 
2012-05-17 10:09:00 AM  
Since they altered the contract you should be able to cancel your contract without penalty.
 
2012-05-17 10:09:19 AM  
When contracts expire the terms may change at renewal.

Film at 11.
 
2012-05-17 10:09:24 AM  
The teclo industry is one that is so ready for some creative destruction.
 
2012-05-17 10:09:25 AM  
Guess I'm sticking with Sprint... The 3g speeds can slow to a crawl, but I can use Pandora 5 days a week for a month, and not worry about going over.. :)
 
2012-05-17 10:09:54 AM  

lewismarktwo: I don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.


In law school we were taught, as a mtter of black letter law, that a contract with unilaterally alterable terms was not a contract at all as it fails to provide valid consideration.

Of course since Verizon has stuck a mandatory arbitration clause in these contracts, the only place you are able to argue this point is infront of the private judges they pay for and who miraculously side with them more than 90% of the time
 
2012-05-17 10:09:54 AM  

Nhojwolfe: Since they altered the contract you should be able to cancel your contract without penalty.


Except they didn't. To trigger it you have to make a change on your end, in this case upgrading to 4GLTE.
 
2012-05-17 10:10:14 AM  

lewismarktwo: I don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.


Which is why you can terminate the agreement (and not pay the termination fee) if they "materially alter the terms..."
 
2012-05-17 10:10:22 AM  
Not to mention the $30 "upgrade fee" they're gonna tack on when you get a new phone.

"We are really not seeing any impact from a customer base from that fee, so that was the right thing to do," Shammo said. (from CNN)

/hate
 
2012-05-17 10:13:12 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?


I got my new iPhone on Sprint after having been with AT&T (and a local carrier w/ jailbreak) for years, and while Im happy with it, I'd say Sprint's network definitely leaves a little to be desired.

Unlimited data doesnt help when you cant get a signal.
 
2012-05-17 10:14:05 AM  
Here's what I do not understand. It is a matter of Free market gospel that the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace will always self-regulate tot he benefit of consumers as companies compete on prices and service, bringing both down to the lowest sustainable level over time.

We know that prices for Data and storage have plummeted over the years (moore's law is still alive and well despite yearly predictions of its demise) and wireless tech is getting cheaper all the time.

So why is it that all the US Cell carriers are suddenly making their services MORE expensive and offering service that would be considered laughably inferior in the rest of the world?

Is is just me or can you smell the collusion and price fixing from a mile off on this stuff?
 
2012-05-17 10:14:12 AM  

lewismarktwo: don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.


No, they're just saying that when your current contract ends, you will no longer be able to be grandfathered into the current unlimited plan, but will have to go to the tiered pricing. So your current contract doesn't change, but your next contract will come standard with a 40 lb box of rape.
 
2012-05-17 10:15:57 AM  
As a grandfathered unlimited data user, here's what I've got to say to Verizon:

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-05-17 10:16:10 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?


For the time being. Realistically, they can't afford to keep it up, either, and they're only doing so to attract new users because, well, that's the ONLY way Sprint can attract new users.

There's a big unofficial betting pool on when Sprint will collapse financially because of this. My money's on January 2014.

/stopped using Sprint because I couldn't get a signal through the walls of my house
//their crummy customer service didn't help, either
 
2012-05-17 10:16:54 AM  
Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.
 
2012-05-17 10:18:08 AM  
So much for being grandfathered in.

*sigh* time to get a new phone and take it up the ass.
 
2012-05-17 10:18:29 AM  

KellyX: I sorta hope Apple does start up its own carrier service, I think the competition would really help reshape the cell market in the US


I'm betting that it's coming. I had always thought they should do their own network because the carriers hold too much of the weight in the user experience, which is what Apple typically focuses on. Now that they are limiting data, this flies in the face of everything Apple wants iPhone users to do, which is consume data and content.

And after reading the Jobs bio, and learning they had researched creating their own network even before the first iPhone was released, it only convinced me further it's only a matter of time before they go down that path.
 
2012-05-17 10:18:37 AM  
Honestly, who here uses unlimited data anyway? Show of hands?

I know there are some people who use it, but personally I use wi-fi access almost everywhere I go and have yet to use a tenth of my 2GB/month plan.

I always imagined people who actually USE unlimited data were folks who feel it's either easier or cheaper than just getting unmetered wi-fi at home.
 
2012-05-17 10:20:10 AM  
I upgraded in December to 4G LTE. They kept my grandfathered unlimited data plan. So I'm good for another two years. After that, I'll probably just buy an unsubsidized phone. I have used 1.5 GB of data this month. But my wife has a wifi iPad and I rooted my phone for free tethering and watch movies and whatnot when we're away from home.
 
2012-05-17 10:20:25 AM  

austin_millbarge: KellyX: I sorta hope Apple does start up its own carrier service, I think the competition would really help reshape the cell market in the US

I'm betting that it's coming. I had always thought they should do their own network because the carriers hold too much of the weight in the user experience, which is what Apple typically focuses on. Now that they are limiting data, this flies in the face of everything Apple wants iPhone users to do, which is consume data and content.

And after reading the Jobs bio, and learning they had researched creating their own network even before the first iPhone was released, it only convinced me further it's only a matter of time before they go down that path.


I am pretty sure there is another carrier getting ready to launch here in the US. I could of swore I read about some deep pockets putting it together.
 
2012-05-17 10:21:00 AM  

lewismarktwo: I don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.


Any contract that has an end date is able to be "changed" at that point.
It is not really being changed as such, they are simply not renewing it.

Great chance for the customer to change to a new one.

The butthurt is high on this one.

Use your chance to change to someone else offering what you want.

// Would never sign a contract with a cellphone provider
/ Jailbroken iphone on a pay as you go contract works for me
 
2012-05-17 10:21:11 AM  

poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.


Yes, let me just go to the other cell phone companies who are offering unlimited data! There aren't any? Why, I'll just start my own then. I need billions of dollars in capital to do so? Guess I'm screwed.

/"free market" is the biggest oxymoron buzzword since "compassionate conservative"
 
2012-05-17 10:21:35 AM  
Oh, ok, so because it can only change in any way, just not at any time it is still technically a contract. Someone mentioned arbitration... that seems like it needs some government intervention... Kangaroo Kourt.
 
2012-05-17 10:22:13 AM  
Love the trolling in the comments, facebook users actually believe anything they see on facebook.
 
2012-05-17 10:23:36 AM  
Just upgraded my phone with them two weeks ago, so they're stuck with my unlimited data use for a while longer yet.
 
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2012-05-17 10:23:38 AM  

lewismarktwo: I don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.


Sure it is, and Verizon has a team of lawyers that will make sure it is. If you don't like contracts like that, just live like an Amish person.
 
2012-05-17 10:23:58 AM  
Not surprised. Unlimited data seems to be bad for mobile businesses because, shockingly, people use more data. Charging per mb or limits though isn't the answer.

Dedicated Verizon customer, dumping them when my contract ends in a few months (not for Unlimited data, just because they suck).
 
2012-05-17 10:24:23 AM  
Do you guys think the other phone companies will follow suit and do the same thing?
 
2012-05-17 10:24:25 AM  

poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.


It is just part of the entitlement mentality at fark.

besides, they are not changing the contract. they are saying if you want the 4G LTE service there are different terms than your current contract.
 
2012-05-17 10:25:45 AM  
I'm not in love with my phone enough to give a ratz azz about unlimited data.
 
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