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(USA Today)   Remember the fine print of the Verizon contract that states they can change the terms any time they want? Well, it's that time   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2012-05-17 10:25:51 AM  

blazemongr: Honestly, who here uses unlimited data anyway? Show of hands?

I know there are some people who use it, but personally I use wi-fi access almost everywhere I go and have yet to use a tenth of my 2GB/month plan.

I always imagined people who actually USE unlimited data were folks who feel it's either easier or cheaper than just getting unmetered wi-fi at home.


After my initial comment it occurred to me that I have no idea how much data I use because I've never needed to. I've had the unlimited data plan ever since I got my first smartphone. I just reset my usage and I'll check in a month.

I have my phone set to go to wifi at home and at my girlfriend's place, so really I'm just using it when I'm out, when I'm on the train to work, or occasionally at work if it's a slow day. Maybe I don't use that much and this actually helps me in the end. We'll see.
 
2012-05-17 10:25:53 AM  

Magorn: lewismarktwo: I don't understand how you can sign a contract that can change at any time in any way. Is that really a contract? I submit that it is not.

In law school we were taught, as a mtter of black letter law, that a contract with unilaterally alterable terms was not a contract at all as it fails to provide valid consideration.

Of course since Verizon has stuck a mandatory arbitration clause in these contracts, the only place you are able to argue this point is infront of the private judges they pay for and who miraculously side with them more than 90% of the time


Except the mandatory arbitration is itself a term of the non-existent contract.
 
2012-05-17 10:27:12 AM  

austin_millbarge: KellyX: I sorta hope Apple does start up its own carrier service, I think the competition would really help reshape the cell market in the US

I'm betting that it's coming. I had always thought they should do their own network because the carriers hold too much of the weight in the user experience, which is what Apple typically focuses on. Now that they are limiting data, this flies in the face of everything Apple wants iPhone users to do, which is consume data and content.

And after reading the Jobs bio, and learning they had researched creating their own network even before the first iPhone was released, it only convinced me further it's only a matter of time before they go down that path.


All the cloud stuff Apple is promoting would seem to think it would benefit them a lot, not to mention their Apple Store stuff. With the way they have their iPhone, iPod, iPad stuff so integrated into cloud/wifi/network shiat, they can't help but hate all these data restrictions the old guard keeps putting up.
 
2012-05-17 10:27:52 AM  

rmoody:
Yes, let me just go to the other cell phone companies who are offering unlimited data! There aren't any? Why, I'll just start my own then. I need billions of dollars in capital to do so? Guess I'm screwed.

/"free market" is the biggest oxymoron buzzword since "compassionate conservative"


So what's the solution? For the gov to step in and force them to offer unlimited plans? Or to create a network and do so themselves? Because it is certainly a natural human right to have the opportunity to have an unlimited data plan on a smartphone.

Oh, and Sprint. Sprint has unlimited data. And will likely accrue many new customers by offering a service that they are willing to pay for. Kinda like... I dunno....a free market....
 
2012-05-17 10:28:12 AM  

Magorn: Here's what I do not understand. It is a matter of Free market gospel that the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace will always self-regulate tot he benefit of consumers as companies compete on prices and service, bringing both down to the lowest sustainable level over time.


The Free Market Gospel to which you refer is based on a conflation of the economists' thought experiment of a Perfect Market with a so-called Free (meaning unregulated) Market. The properties of the former are assigned to the latter, which is the tied up in a big bow with Freedom inscribed on it.
 
2012-05-17 10:29:55 AM  

poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.


Unless of course the government has done nothing to prevent price collusion and quasi monopolism.
 
2012-05-17 10:30:19 AM  
Losers. I don't even own a cell phone. Hell, I still use a rotary phone at phone. I'm the reason they still have the "If you have a rotary phone, please stay on the line" messages at customer service centers. I refuse to bow down to the corporatocracy.
 
2012-05-17 10:30:48 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is just part of the entitlement mentality at fark.

besides, they are not changing the contract. they are saying if you want the 4G LTE service there are different terms than your current contract.


Sadly, I know this. And it's not just fark, it's pretty much the USA. And I understand the change and how it affects plans, although it seems the butthurt ones don't really grasp the concept.

/sigh
//don't know why I pay attention to this stuff, it's sad
 
2012-05-17 10:31:05 AM  
I was prepared to get all butthurt, but it went away when I read:

Customers wanting to upgrade phones from their current 3G data plan to use 4G LTE will be required to sign on to Verizon's new data-share plan to be introduced this summer, Shammo said.

The data-share plan, whose pricing hasn't been announced, will provide a limited bucket of data that can be shared among family members or devices.


I've got a Verizon grandfathered unlimited data plan on my Droid. The wife's got the new limited $30 plan. She uses much more data than me band never gets close to her limit. I'll willingly give up my unlimited plan for the ability to add new devices without incurring an additional $30 a month. I can now see tablets for both me and the wife in the very near future.

Of course, being Verizon they'll price it so high it will be unaffordable and I'll still get the chance to revel in butthurt.
 
2012-05-17 10:31:32 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Magorn: Here's what I do not understand. It is a matter of Free market gospel that the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace will always self-regulate tot he benefit of consumers as companies compete on prices and service, bringing both down to the lowest sustainable level over time.

The Free Market Gospel to which you refer is based on a conflation of the economists' thought experiment of a Perfect Market with a so-called Free (meaning unregulated) Market. The properties of the former are assigned to the latter, which is the tied up in a big bow with Freedom inscribed on it.


And further it assumes those companies won't wise up and collude to keep prices high. In a truly free market there is nothing to prevent this, save for the threat of an outside-industry competitor, which the new cartel can then squash.
 
2012-05-17 10:32:27 AM  
No sweat, brah:

Step 1: buy latest gen unsubsidized iPhone/Droid/whatever off of eBay or craigslist. If it's hot, well, hell, that's even better.

Step 2: swap SIM into your new phone

Step 3: continue enjoying unlimited data and increasing speeds on a network in which most customers are either switching carriers or succumbing to new data limits.
 
2012-05-17 10:32:38 AM  

DubyaHater: Losers. I don't even own a cell phone. Hell, I still use a rotary phone at phone. I'm the reason they still have the "If you have a rotary phone, please stay on the line" messages at customer service centers. I refuse to bow down to the corporatocracy.


wasn't your rotary phone the property of AT&T for, like, decades?
 
2012-05-17 10:33:06 AM  
"Any part of this agreement may be changed at any time. Including the previous sentence. Let that one circle around in your brain for a awhile, Skippy."
 
2012-05-17 10:33:41 AM  
Huh, who knew that the billions of dollars that Verizon and Sprint are spending right now to upgrade and expand their networks had to actually come from somewhere?

/not defending the phone companies(god knows they have shiat to answer for) but some of us saw this coming 5 years ago when smart phones really stared getting big.
 
2012-05-17 10:34:37 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: austin_millbarge: KellyX: I sorta hope Apple does start up its own carrier service, I think the competition would really help reshape the cell market in the US

I'm betting that it's coming. I had always thought they should do their own network because the carriers hold too much of the weight in the user experience, which is what Apple typically focuses on. Now that they are limiting data, this flies in the face of everything Apple wants iPhone users to do, which is consume data and content.

And after reading the Jobs bio, and learning they had researched creating their own network even before the first iPhone was released, it only convinced me further it's only a matter of time before they go down that path.

I am pretty sure there is another carrier getting ready to launch here in the US. I could of swore I read about some deep pockets putting it together.


LightSquared?
 
2012-05-17 10:34:54 AM  
...pray they do not alter the deal any further.
 
2012-05-17 10:35:02 AM  

sammyk: cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?

Yes, and unlimited texting, all cellphone calls do not count against your minutes so even if you have a crappy 450 min plan it is unlikely you will go over. Oh they also have a roaming agreement with Verizon so you do not give up a thing as far as coverage. To be fair Verizon has a much better 4g network but Sprint is not bad. I use wifi most of the time anyway.


I switched to sprint and the coverage out here in Phoenix is God Awful
 
2012-05-17 10:35:11 AM  
Makes me glad to be with Metro PCS
 
2012-05-17 10:36:16 AM  

Kar98: poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.

Unless of course the government has done nothing to prevent price collusion and quasi monopolism.


Why should the government do anything to prevent it? A monopoly will draw in entrepreneurs that see an opportunity to gain market share by undercutting falsely inflated prices. And "but it's so expensive" isn't an iron-clad argument against that happening. There are barriers to entry for anything, and there is always someone that wants to make a buck, even if it requires an investment.
 
2012-05-17 10:37:12 AM  

The Third Man: As a grandfathered unlimited data user, here's what I've got to say to Verizon:

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Now, now...I'm sure our monthly rates will drop significantly when data is limited.
 
2012-05-17 10:37:24 AM  

DubyaHater: Losers. I don't even own a cell phone. Hell, I still use a rotary phone at phone. I'm the reason they still have the "If you have a rotary phone, please stay on the line" messages at customer service centers. I refuse to bow down to the corporatocracy.


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2012-05-17 10:37:26 AM  

poorsigmund: Kar98: poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.

Unless of course the government has done nothing to prevent price collusion and quasi monopolism.

Why should the government do anything to prevent it? A monopoly will draw in entrepreneurs that see an opportunity to gain market share by undercutting falsely inflated prices. And "but it's so expensive" isn't an iron-clad argument against that happening. There are barriers to entry for anything, and there is always someone that wants to make a buck, even if it requires an investment.


Well in this particular case Verizon has a limited monopoly because the government gave it to them (bandwidth).
 
2012-05-17 10:37:58 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Huh, who knew that the billions of dollars that Verizon and Sprint are spending right now to upgrade and expand their networks had to actually come from somewhere?

/not defending the phone companies(god knows they have shiat to answer for) but some of us saw this coming 5 years ago when smart phones really stared getting big.


Verizon's 3g network is choking thanks to the iPhone. They also have one of the largest 4g networks out there right now and it is apparently vastly underutilized. This is a smart move for them as it will help to capitalize their 4g infrastructure while easing the traffic on their 3g network. The only caveat seems to be pissing of the customers, which is never a good thing. It will be interesting to see what happens to their subscriber base.
 
2012-05-17 10:38:47 AM  
For a limited time, they still will be able to do that, at least through the new contract. Verizon wouldn't specify when the change for current customers will kick in. Until then, spokeswoman Brenda Raney said, nothing changes. "Unless Verizon releases more details about this, there could be some customers who might go ahead and try to lock in their current unlimited plan while upgrading to a new phone," says Roger Entner, analyst at Recon Analytics.

Also, if you're already on a 4G Unlimited Data Plan (like myself, I grandfathered in last fall, intentionally) Verizon hasn't mentioned whether they'd pull it.

/if they do, I'm gonna be real pissed
//I payed a nominal extra $30 fee to get it a month early so I got unlimited
///I'll unleash hell if they revoke that and I signed a 2 year 4G unlimited contract
 
2012-05-17 10:39:10 AM  
Also T-Mobile is upgrading their network a lot now since they got all that money from AT&T from the failed merger and spectrum too... I imagine Apple will be bringing the iPhone to them soon.
 
2012-05-17 10:39:15 AM  
"As you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto the data-share plan," Shammo said. "A lot of our 3G base is unlimited. As they start to migrate into 4G, they will have to ... go into the data-share plan. And that is beneficial for us."

/Not so good for our customers. Less for more is the corporate way.
 
2012-05-17 10:39:18 AM  

poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.


uh, no. This is what happens when the free market *doesn't* work properly. This is the bad side of capitalism.
 
2012-05-17 10:39:45 AM  

ph0rk: Well in this particular case Verizon has a limited monopoly because the government gave it to them (bandwidth).


A fact conveniently forgotten by pro-gov proselytizers in these matters.

"We need gov to regulate the problems that it regulated itself into!"
 
2012-05-17 10:40:11 AM  

emersonbiggins: No sweat, brah:

Step 1: buy latest gen unsubsidized iPhone/Droid/whatever off of eBay or craigslist. If it's hot, well, hell, that's even better.

Step 2: swap SIM into your new phone

Step 3: continue enjoying unlimited data and increasing speeds on a network in which most customers are either switching carriers or succumbing to new data limits.


That would work beautifully if you weren't on Verizon.
 
2012-05-17 10:41:30 AM  

JaaVaa: /if they do, I'm gonna be real pissed
//I payed a nominal extra $30 fee to get it a month early so I got unlimited
///I'll unleash hell if they revoke that and I signed a 2 year 4G unlimited contract


Cell phone contracts are typically binding only one-way. They can change it if they want, in most states. The reason they don't is typically for PR, but apparently Verizon doesn't give a happy damn about PR anymore.


farkingatwork: uh, no. This is what happens when the free market *doesn't* work properly. This is the bad side of capitalism.


IT IS THE BAD KIND OF PUPPY!
 
2012-05-17 10:42:15 AM  

blazemongr: cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?

For the time being. Realistically, they can't afford to keep it up, either, and they're only doing so to attract new users because, well, that's the ONLY way Sprint can attract new users.

There's a big unofficial betting pool on when Sprint will collapse financially because of this. My money's on January 2014.


Not sure why that would be. They'll just get slower and slower. People will still flock to them because they're cheap. Eventually, Wifi will become common enough that they won't be overloaded.
 
2012-05-17 10:43:28 AM  

poorsigmund: ph0rk: Well in this particular case Verizon has a limited monopoly because the government gave it to them (bandwidth).

A fact conveniently forgotten by pro-gov proselytizers in these matters.

"We need gov to regulate the problems that it regulated itself into!"


Well, yes, we do. I'd imagine a fully deregulated wireless space would just mean jammers and overlapping transmitters and generally shiatty service and reception for all.

Regulating part way and giving up is probably the worst case scenario.
 
2012-05-17 10:43:37 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?


They do, in fact. You can enjoy all the data you want, should you ever find your self in an area that actualy has coverage.
I live in Petersburg, VA. No signal in my house. (and this isn't phone specific. Three different phone models)
At work I have to leave the building to make a call.

Oh you want to get a smart phone? Well the 4G service is an extra 10 bucks a month. No 4G service avaliable to you? Gosh that sucks. Maybe you should move to a major city like Richmond.
*Travels to downtown Richmond*
Phone: Hey there is 4G here! You want me to connect?
Me:'Shiat yeah! lets check this farker out
Phone: Connected!
Me: Sweet! Lets stream some videos
Phone: ...
Me: Isn't this supposed to be faster?
Phone: Disconnected.
Me: The fark?
Phone: Hey I found the 4G service! You want me to connect?
Me: Well yes, that would be nice.
Phone: Never mind.
Me: What the fark shiat is going on here?
Phone: 4G! 4G! You want it?
Me: Yes, dammit
Phone: No can haz.
Me: Jesus God farking damn Christ!
Phone: I got 1 bar..wait okay a bar...no....wait....no....here it...no...okay now...never mind.

Fark you Sprint.
 
2012-05-17 10:44:11 AM  
What every law school student learns in first semester Contracts: A contract that can be terminated or altered at will unilaterally is invalid for lack of consideration and cannot be enforced.
 
2012-05-17 10:44:14 AM  

farkingatwork: poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.

uh, no. This is what happens when the free market *doesn't* work properly. This is the bad side of capitalism.


I'm not going to try to assert the claim that capitalism is all sunshine and rainbows shooting from one's ass. Any rational individual can understand that there are good and bad sides to everything (yes, including our lovely gov).

That being said, I don't see how this is the market not working. It's an experiment by Verizon to try and make more money. It might backfire by driving customers away to a competitor if they truly value the service that Verizon no longer provides (a fact being ignored by those complaining - you can vote with your dollars here, folks).
 
2012-05-17 10:45:16 AM  
You can tell who here hasn't taken a college-level economics course.

The correct term is oligopoly.
 
2012-05-17 10:45:25 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: "As you upgrade in the future, you will have to go onto the data-share plan," Shammo said. "A lot of our 3G base is unlimited. As they start to migrate into 4G, they will have to ... go into the data-share plan. And that is beneficial for us."

/Not so good for our customers. Less for more is the corporate way.


It's just sickening isn't it? They don't even TRY to spin it in a positive light for their customers - no highlighting some BS "benefit" of the new plan. They just say "it's better for us".

I'm damn happy I'm on Sprint right about now. I would have made my mother switch when she got her new phone the other day if Verizon weren't the only carrier with a signal at her house.

c'mon guys, AT LEAST PRETEND!
 
2012-05-17 10:45:34 AM  

poorsigmund: Kar98: poorsigmund: Am I feeding the trolls by pointing out the ignorance of the "citizen," and "free-market rape" comments? This is how the free market works - if you are unhappy, you are able to spend your money elsewhere (notice all the "I'm not renewing" comments). In a not-free market, you don't have the option to choose a provider other than the government, and that is when the actual "citizen rape" happens.

Unless of course the government has done nothing to prevent price collusion and quasi monopolism.

Why should the government do anything to prevent it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act#Constitutional_bas i s_for_legislation
 
2012-05-17 10:46:18 AM  

Publikwerks:
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and kudos to you, sir!

/well played
 
2012-05-17 10:46:30 AM  

ph0rk: Cell phone contracts are typically binding only one-way. They can change it if they want, in most states. The reason they don't is typically for PR, but apparently Verizon doesn't give a happy damn about PR anymore.


Verizon has never given a damn about PR. As far as the contract goes, if they alter the terms which you signed up for then it technically voids the contract, allowing you to terminate service and switch to another carrier or plan. Thing is, you can expect to be billed an early termination fee anyway, and at some point, after months or years of wrangling and possibly a class action lawsuit, you might end up getting the money back.

/The latter part isn't just Verizon, to be fair.
 
2012-05-17 10:47:01 AM  

poorsigmund: A monopoly will draw in entrepreneurs that see an opportunity to gain market share by undercutting falsely inflated prices. And "but it's so expensive" isn't an iron-clad argument against that happening. There are barriers to entry for anything, and there is always someone that wants to make a buck, even if it requires an investment.


How was a small oil company expected to compete with Standard Oil prior to the breakup?

How were small phone companies expected to compete with AT&T prior to the breakup?

The idea of antitrust law is to keep customers from getting screwed. "Hey, just wait until some guy comes along and starts a company to compete" isn't realistic - especially when the monopoly can use many means of destroying competition.

For example:

"Almost everywhere the rates from the shipping points used exclusively, or almost exclusively, by the Standard are relatively lower than the rates from the shipping points of its competitors. Rates have been made low to let the Standard into markets, or they have been made high to keep its competitors out of markets. Trifling differences in distances are made an excuse for large differences in rates favorable to the Standard Oil Company, while large differences in distances are ignored where they are against the Standard. Sometimes connecting roads prorate on oil-that is, make through rates which are lower than the combination of local rates; sometimes they refuse to prorate; but in either case the result of their policy is to favor the Standard Oil Company. Different methods are used in different places and under different conditions, but the net result is that from Maine to California the general arrangement of open rates on petroleum oil is such as to give the Standard an unreasonable advantage over its competitors"
 
2012-05-17 10:47:25 AM  
Verizon CEO, discussing the situtation with an unsatisfied customer:
libraryrenewal.org
 
2012-05-17 10:48:17 AM  

MythDragon: Fark you Sprint.


And you're still with Sprint why?

/Amazingly, coverage varies from place to place and from carrier to carrier. Sprint has outstanding 3G and 4G coverage here in Central Maryland.
 
2012-05-17 10:48:17 AM  

Harv72b: ph0rk: Cell phone contracts are typically binding only one-way. They can change it if they want, in most states. The reason they don't is typically for PR, but apparently Verizon doesn't give a happy damn about PR anymore.

Verizon has never given a damn about PR. As far as the contract goes, if they alter the terms which you signed up for then it technically voids the contract, allowing you to terminate service and switch to another carrier or plan. Thing is, you can expect to be billed an early termination fee anyway, and at some point, after months or years of wrangling and possibly a class action lawsuit, you might end up getting the money back.

/The latter part isn't just Verizon, to be fair.


Yep. Pretty brilliant de facto one-way binding contracts they've cooked up in the mobile industry.
 
2012-05-17 10:49:13 AM  

ph0rk: poorsigmund: ph0rk: Well in this particular case Verizon has a limited monopoly because the government gave it to them (bandwidth).

A fact conveniently forgotten by pro-gov proselytizers in these matters.

"We need gov to regulate the problems that it regulated itself into!"

Well, yes, we do. I'd imagine a fully deregulated wireless space would just mean jammers and overlapping transmitters and generally shiatty service and reception for all.

Regulating part way and giving up is probably the worst case scenario.


You and I are different, in that I'm not afraid of all of the "evils" of a deregulated market (esp in an age of cheap, accessible information). I value the ability to choose based on my personal preferences over having options eliminated "for my own good." This is obviously not the proper forum to hash it all out, but I've thought about a lot of scenarios, and am comfortable with them. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in the matter.
 
2012-05-17 10:49:28 AM  
Adios, Verizon.

I've been with the $$$ network for 10+ years, time to go.

I almost switched at least three times solely because Verizon cripples phones, or, they refuse to even offer their version. Take the Note, for example, they have no plan to even bring this phone/tablet to their customers. They have such a crappy selection for being "the best in the business." I go to an AT&T or Sprint store and see all their cool phones and wonder why I'm with Verizon. Even when Verizon does bring a phone to their store it's always the dumbed down, crapware infested version, and ugly with garbage aesthetics, and it's always 6-8 months after the other carriers.

I'm month to month, mostly because I've been waiting for Verizon to bring out a phone that's an actual upgrade for the past year, all they have now are what I bought two years ago, only slightly different. I had three phones on my list that are to come out late summer, early fall, looks like I'll be buying them and a contract elsewhere.
 
2012-05-17 10:49:28 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: Not surprised. Unlimited data seems to be bad for mobile businesses because, shockingly, people use more data. Charging per mb or limits though isn't the answer.

Dedicated Verizon customer, dumping them when my contract ends in a few months (not for Unlimited data, just because they suck).


I'm very interested in the new Start-up Republic Wireless for precisely this reason, they say their business model is to give yo a "hybrid " phone, meaning one that will first look for a wi-fi signal you can access and latch on to that for sending data/making calls, and then only use the cellular features when that isn't available.

For most people who have wi-fi at home and at work, this model makes a lto of sense and explains how they can offer "unlimited " plans for only $20/mo for voice and data
 
2012-05-17 10:49:36 AM  

MythDragon: cameroncrazy1984: I've been with Verizon since 2004, but my contract is up this year. It might be time to move. Sprint still has unlimited data, right?

They do, in fact. You can enjoy all the data you want, should you ever find your self in an area that actualy has coverage.
I live in Petersburg, VA. No signal in my house. (and this isn't phone specific. Three different phone models)
At work I have to leave the building to make a call.

Oh you want to get a smart phone? Well the 4G service is an extra 10 bucks a month. No 4G service avaliable to you? Gosh that sucks. Maybe you should move to a major city like Richmond.
*Travels to downtown Richmond*
Phone: Hey there is 4G here! You want me to connect?
Me:'Shiat yeah! lets check this farker out
Phone: Connected!
Me: Sweet! Lets stream some videos
Phone: ...
Me: Isn't this supposed to be faster?
Phone: Disconnected.
Me: The fark?
Phone: Hey I found the 4G service! You want me to connect?
Me: Well yes, that would be nice.
Phone: Never mind.
Me: What the fark shiat is going on here?
Phone: 4G! 4G! You want it?
Me: Yes, dammit
Phone: No can haz.
Me: Jesus God farking damn Christ!
Phone: I got 1 bar..wait okay a bar...no....wait....no....here it...no...okay now...never mind.

Fark you Sprint.


That's why I left Sprint. Oh, my home is well within their coverage map, but that didn't mean shiat.

Of course, that meant going to Verizon and paying $50 more a month for my family plan...but at least now I have an excuse to ditch them in a few months.
 
2012-05-17 10:51:07 AM  

blazemongr: Honestly, who here uses unlimited data anyway? Show of hands?

I know there are some people who use it, but personally I use wi-fi access almost everywhere I go and have yet to use a tenth of my 2GB/month plan.

I always imagined people who actually USE unlimited data were folks who feel it's either easier or cheaper than just getting unmetered wi-fi at home.


not necessarily true. When I am home I use my wifi network. I am still using 80%-90% of my 2gigs a month. Work is a killer on my plan as we are not allowed any Internet access. When I have to look things up such as bus times and weather or just farking I do so on my 3g connection. I also have a connection to my server at home that I will occasionally grab music from if I find a song stuck in my head that is not on my phone
 
2012-05-17 10:51:09 AM  
So let me make sure I am clear here - I can upgrade from my current 3g device that currently has unlimited data at $30 per month to a 4g lte device and keep my unlimited data at $30 per month, but I have a very limited time to do so?
 
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