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(Talking Points Memo)   Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way, here's a poll that favors Obama. A Fox News poll   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 121
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2012-05-16 08:28:32 PM
You know that had to burn Fox News to publish that.
 
2012-05-16 08:33:21 PM
Whoopty shiat, it means as much as the others.
 
2012-05-16 08:37:59 PM

bdub77: You know that had to burn Fox News to publish that.


Nah. It's just a way to fire up the base and get out the vote. Then again, having an Obama administration is arguably better for business.
 
2012-05-16 08:43:15 PM
Is it September already?
 
2012-05-16 09:20:32 PM
Wait, isn't that 0.7%?
 
2012-05-16 09:35:44 PM

coco ebert: bdub77: You know that had to burn Fox News to publish that.

Nah. It's just a way to fire up the base and get out the vote. Then again, having an Obama administration is arguably better for business.


First thing that crossed my mind, too

/nice way to rouse the rubes
 
2012-05-16 09:37:13 PM
This is huge news. I better be ready in case the election was held today.
 
2012-05-16 09:40:56 PM
Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president?
 
2012-05-16 09:54:54 PM

GAT_00: Whoopty shiat, it means as much as the others.


I'd love to believe there was some shift to Romney based on the recent polls, but it just doesn't feel like it to me. Basically, I'm not convinced that right now, Obama wins the presidency and that in two weeks after the furor over gay marriage dies down, it will be more in his favor.
 
2012-05-16 10:25:14 PM
This is really dumb. Everyone knows that the only accurate poll is the one that validates what I already believe will happen.
 
2012-05-16 10:25:27 PM
Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)
 
2012-05-16 10:26:05 PM

IronTom: Wait, isn't that 0.7%?


0.7% is the average of all current polls while 7% is the latest individual Fox poll.
 
2012-05-16 10:27:44 PM
Tomorrow isn't the election, so polls are moot.

yes, moot.
 
2012-05-16 10:28:27 PM

GAT_00: Whoopty shiat, it means as much as the others.


As an Obama supporter, I must say...this.
 
2012-05-16 10:28:35 PM
36% undecided/not voting. Wow.

I'm voting for Vermin.
 
2012-05-16 10:29:42 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)


Am I reading that wrong, or is 2008 used as the basis for every state? It's actually a really good website. I frequented it a lot during the '08 election, but it looks like he hasn't added any current state polls for this year's election.
 
2012-05-16 10:30:17 PM

theteacher: 36% undecided/not voting. Wow.

I'm voting for Vermin.


We all are, one way or another
 
2012-05-16 10:31:06 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)


YES YOU WERE! ADMIT IT! THIS IS A VERY CLOSE, VERY CONTENTIOUS RACE!
 
2012-05-16 10:33:17 PM
I can't wait for the debates.
 
2012-05-16 10:34:12 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)


That appears to be based entirely on 2008 results. In case you didn't notice, the country's not as enamored with Obama as it was then, and the Republicans have kind of gone (further) off the deep end and are more mobilized than ever before.
 
2012-05-16 10:40:14 PM

balki1867: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)

Am I reading that wrong, or is 2008 used as the basis for every state? It's actually a really good website. I frequented it a lot during the '08 election, but it looks like he hasn't added any current state polls for this year's election.


I don't think you are reading it wrong. Looks like he is just using the numbers from 08, so as much as I want that to be true it looks like that chart is nothing.
 
2012-05-16 10:48:33 PM
CBS/NYT has Romney up. Fox News has Obama up. Our pets' HEADS ARE FALLING OFF
 
2012-05-16 10:51:40 PM
Romney this, Romney that..

hey, did you guys know RON PAUL WAS still in it?
 
2012-05-16 10:55:06 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: CBS/NYT has Romney up. Fox News has Obama up. Our pets' HEADS ARE FALLING OFF


At this point, the news agencies have to keep the narrative up, that this is a wild and wooly race, and that you HAVE to pay attention. This is about keeping up ad revenue.

Folks have to sell stuff, and they have to keep the attention pointed. To be fair, I don't trust many of the these polls, on CNN or Fox, or even CBS. When Nate Silver starts putting out projections I'll start paying attention, but right now, this is just coin flipping and trying to call it important...
 
2012-05-16 10:55:21 PM

EngineerAU: 0.7% is the average of all current polls while 7% is the latest individual Fox poll.


Is Fox just trying to make sure that NOBODY who's a Republican would dare stay at home on election day?
 
2012-05-16 10:55:49 PM

NeverDrunk23: Tomorrow isn't the election, so polls are moot.

yes, moot.


I hate the word moot because it can mean either debatable/arguable or it can mean irrelevant/unimportant, which are pretty much opposite meanings.
 
2012-05-16 10:55:54 PM

bdub77: You know that had to burn Fox News to publish that.


Oh, no. Just the opposite. The election is well off still. They want these numbers so they can energize their viewers and pump up the voter turnout.

There's nothing like the belief that the "game" is close to bring out the rabid fans.
 
2012-05-16 10:59:25 PM

DeltaPunch: NeverDrunk23: Tomorrow isn't the election, so polls are moot.

yes, moot.

I hate the word moot because it can mean either debatable/arguable or it can mean irrelevant/unimportant, which are pretty much opposite meanings.


I like it because it has 'moo' in it.
 
2012-05-16 11:03:06 PM

Richard Roma: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)

That appears to be based entirely on 2008 results. In case you didn't notice, the country's not as enamored with Obama as it was then, and the Republicans have kind of gone (further) off the deep end and are more mobilized than ever before.


False Dichotomy. You're assuming that the people less than enamored with Obama would vote for Romney.
 
2012-05-16 11:09:50 PM

NeverDrunk23: DeltaPunch: NeverDrunk23: Tomorrow isn't the election, so polls are moot.

yes, moot.

I hate the word moot because it can mean either debatable/arguable or it can mean irrelevant/unimportant, which are pretty much opposite meanings.

I like it because it has 'moo' in it.


I like it because I enjoy laughing at people that think they sound smrt using it, but they pronounce it mute.
 
2012-05-16 11:11:18 PM

NeverDrunk23: DeltaPunch: NeverDrunk23: Tomorrow isn't the election, so polls are moot.

yes, moot.

I hate the word moot because it can mean either debatable/arguable or it can mean irrelevant/unimportant, which are pretty much opposite meanings.

I like it because it has 'moo' in it.


I like it when people think it's "mute" and use it to try and sound all smart-like
 
2012-05-16 11:12:31 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)


Heh...."Barely GOP". Meaning "I'm voting for Obama, but I haven't told anyone yet."
 
2012-05-16 11:12:33 PM
*shakes tiny fist of rage* at Tor_Eckman:
 
2012-05-16 11:14:29 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: CBS/NYT has Romney up. Fox News has Obama up. Our pets' HEADS ARE FALLING OFF


Exactly. Thru the looking glass.
 
2012-05-16 11:16:23 PM
Most Democrats back Obama (88 percent) and most Republicans support Romney (84 percent)," Dana Blanton, director of public opinion research at Fox wrote. "Among independents, 34 percent back Romney, 29 percent support Obama...

So the fox poll simply means that more democrats voted than the other two groups. Wow, shocking. Not like liberals love to throw off voter polls online.

Liberals should be more scared of the latest poll in Wisconsin showing Romney now leading done by an actual polling group.
 
2012-05-16 11:17:49 PM

X-boxershorts: bdub77: You know that had to burn Fox News to publish that.

Oh, no. Just the opposite. The election is well off still. They want these numbers so they can energize their viewers and pump up the voter turnout.

There's nothing like the belief that the "game" is close to bring out the rabid fans.


Yeah because pumping the voter turnout 6 months before an election works?

I digress. These polls seem really silly to me before the debates begin.
 
2012-05-16 11:19:12 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)


That website is out of date. I really hope the guy starts updating again, though. It was my go-to back in '08, and pretty damn accurate right up to election day.

Also, this has probably been covered ad nauseum, but what is the point of national polls, anyway? Is it just to make the election look tighter? If EV's are all that matters, then we only really need them polling in Ohio, Virginia, etc. Most of the electoral maps I've seen, like the one at RCP, paint a pretty stark picture.
 
2012-05-16 11:19:47 PM
*sigh*

We're going to have to put up with these damned polls daily for the next six months, aren't we?
 
2012-05-16 11:21:07 PM

vegasj: Romney this, Romney that..

hey, did you guys know RON PAUL WAS still in it?


Nobody cares.
 
2012-05-16 11:23:59 PM
I though all of the poling data was swinging Obama's way, because once you go Bara- oh wait. Different kind of data.
 
2012-05-16 11:26:09 PM
I expect we'll be seeing a lot of poll results like this. I probably won't believe any of them.
 
2012-05-16 11:27:07 PM

Tor_Eckman: I like it because I enjoy laughing at people that think they sound smrt using it, but they pronounce it mute.


Irregardless, they're the same people who try to tow the line.
 
2012-05-16 11:29:34 PM

The Green Manalishi: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Just when you thought all the polling data was swinging Romney's way...

No. I wasn't thinking that at all.

Strong Dem (253)
Weak Dem (32)
Barely Dem (73)
Exactly tied (0)
Barely GOP (13)
Weak GOP (42)
Strong GOP (125)

That website is out of date. I really hope the guy starts updating again, though. It was my go-to back in '08, and pretty damn accurate right up to election day.

Also, this has probably been covered ad nauseum, but what is the point of national polls, anyway? Is it just to make the election look tighter? If EV's are all that matters, then we only really need them polling in Ohio, Virginia, etc. Most of the electoral maps I've seen, like the one at RCP, paint a pretty stark picture.


Paint a stark picture for Obama? The one at RCP? Really? From what I see 243 pretty solid EVs for Obama, he only needs 27 more to win. That's Ohio and Wisconsin, or Wisconsin/Iowa/Colorado/New Hampshire...I think there are a lot of options for Obama. I don't think Romney will win Ohio. I could be wrong, but Ohio is part of the auto industry, and Obama pretty much saved their asses while Romney said fark em. If Obama wins Ohio and holds all of the other states he's expected to hold, I don't think Romney can win.

But then again 6 months is a long time, we'll see.
 
2012-05-16 11:30:58 PM

bdub77: but Ohio is part of the auto industry, and Obama pretty much saved their asses while Romney said fark em


And then tried to take credit for the bailout.
 
2012-05-16 11:34:04 PM
So will Obama win 57 states with those numbers?

/may as well light this thread on fire
 
2012-05-16 11:35:29 PM

GAT_00: Whoopty shiat, it means as much as the others.


I thought I was the only one that said that. I must have gotten it from somewhere, so if it was from you, thanks.
 
2012-05-16 11:37:25 PM

regindyn: So will Obama win 57 states with those numbers?

/may as well light this thread on fire


In what respect, Charlie?
 
2012-05-16 11:39:34 PM

heavymetal: Does this mean Sarah Palin is automatically president?


Yep.

It also means Barack Obama has to play a no deaths, no bombs run of Mountain Of Faith on Lunatic using Marisa-B while listening to a harmonica cover of Vivaldi's Four Seasons.
 
2012-05-16 11:39:57 PM

vegasj: Romney this, Romney that..

hey, did you guys know RON PAUL WAS still in it?


Who?

Never heard of him.
 
2012-05-16 11:40:31 PM

Richard Roma: That appears to be based entirely on 2008 results. In case you didn't notice, the country's not as enamored with Obama as it was then, and the Republicans have kind of gone (further) off the deep end and are more mobilized than ever before.


You're completely forgetting about the large number of centrists, genuine independents and moderate Republicans (or ex-Republicans, really, considering the Tea Party's black and white worldview) that'll be voting straight-ticket Democrat this year, thanks to the whole off-the-deep-end thing. It's not just their own base that they've mobilised, and I think that's going to be the decider.
 
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