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2012-05-16 02:17:45 PM  

protectyourlimbs: Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: heroin and cocaine aren't illegal because they are addictive.

so why are the Schedule II?

They have medical uses, I believe. Morphine is basically heroin, and cocaine paste is used to numb the gums of teething kids..

cannabis has several well documented medical uses, few to no significant side effects and isn't addictive...but its listed as Schedule I. Nicotine is just as addictive as heroin, and has limited (if no) medical value and isn't restricted at all.

Well yeah but since its so easy to produce the government cant regulate and profit from it... plus I watched reefer madness...


It's no easier to produce or regulate than tobacco. Honestly, if it were legal, the tobacco companies would just start producing marijuana.
 
2012-05-16 02:18:00 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Soulcatcher: caution: So what? Nicotine by itself likely won't kill you. It's not a carcinogen either.

Stop consuming it by inhaling fumes from burning plant matter and get an e-cig vaporizer instead.

That's exactly what I did. Quit smoking analogs 3 months ago! The e-cig was the best money I've ever spent- I feel loads better and everything I own doesn't smell like burning turds anymore, now it smells like blueberry pancakes =]

they make pipe tobacco that smells good too. burning "turds"?? what the hell do you smoke. even marlboro smelled kinda cool.


I smoked Camels for many, many years. Don't get me wrong- I LOVED smoking cigs. I just got tired of being treated like a criminal, and the price of a pack of smokes is getting ridulous. The e-cig is the only way I think I could have quit. As for burning turds, maybe that is a bit harsh. You don't really notice how nasty it all smells until you quit for a while.
 
2012-05-16 02:18:02 PM  

MDGeist: I wonder how much alcohol the submitter drinks


while submitter's junkie kids have breakfast

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2012-05-16 02:20:09 PM  
If I was a prepper I would definately stash some cans of tobacco along with food and ammo. Will be worth more than it's weight in Federal Reserve Notes.

/Wouldn't you like to be a prepper too?
 
2012-05-16 02:20:25 PM  

divgradcurl: orclover: This text is now purple: [www.macdoctor.co.nz image 380x380]

This is why. Nicotine may be just as addictive, but it's a ton less harmful.

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Out of all of those, nicotine was definately the worst for me. What makes it so much worse is its availability and price. Five bucks a day is pretty cheap for a habbit. Knew a heroine addict who gave up cigs to keep up with heroine though after her lung collapsed.

X is interesting on that list, and I am not argueing its placement at all, but I have heard that usage can cause long term memmory loss, weather that is true for myself I cant recall. Just about the most fun you can have for twenty bucks however back in the early 90's. Not that I can remember much from the early 90's.

well, at least your language skills are still top notch.

sorry, don't mind me, just snarky about too many pet peaves


This is a combination of not typing on my mac and not giving a fark. Wait, waaait......nope couldnt find one to give. Try back later.
 
2012-05-16 02:21:36 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Tobacco_Sickness -->

Green Tobacco Sickness (GTS) is a type of nicotine poisoning caused by the dermal absorption of nicotine from the surface of wet tobacco plants.[1] Tobacco harvesters, whose clothing becomes saturated from tobacco wet with rain or morning dew, are at high risk of developing GTS. Workers can avoid getting this sickness by waiting to harvest until the tobacco leaves are dry, or by wearing a rain suit. Wet clothing that has come in contact with tobacco leaves should be removed immediately and the skin washed with warm soapy water.
 
2012-05-16 02:21:52 PM  
Because those two alkaloids, caf and nic, supposedly make you focus and work harder without going batshiat. It's all about keeping that treadmill turning. Happy weed isn't good for Chairman Fatso's wallet. Senator Frump won't budge becasue he has shares in Fatso Co.
 
2012-05-16 02:25:52 PM  
Subby is not very bright. If government would have outlawed tobacco in 1988, there would have been a revolt country wide.

/ex smoker... still wants one from time to time (especially after angry sex)
//Well, at least a smoke after a long day of despair at work
 
2012-05-16 02:26:15 PM  
Whatever. People still quit cigarettes if they really want to, just like they quit cocaine, overeating and your mom. And all without 12-step bullshiat.

Once you set aside that bullshiat, hardly anything is known about addiction. There are psychological, social and physiological components to it, and they have about that order of importance. Beyond that, who knows? So even if nicotine is "just as addictive" as heroin, nobody even knows what that means.

/Yeah, yeah, steppers. We've all heard it before. Just fark off.
 
2012-05-16 02:29:57 PM  

whizbang: MDGeist: I wonder how much alcohol the submitter drinks

while submitter's junkie kids have breakfast

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I have no dog in this fight. I don't smoke, but I don't mind smokers smoking in public so long as its well-ventilated and not in people's faces. That said:

Eating junk cereal =/= smoking a cigarette. While both activities, if chronically abused, may lead to negative health effects down the line, the immediate effects of smoking are far, far worse than that of eating a serving of, say, cocoa puffs. One can counter the negative effects of cocoa puffs (excessive caloric intake) by getting in exercise, eating said cereal in moderation, having a balanced diet, and in general not overindulging. Smoking a single cigarette can really wreck your shiat, regardless of how controlled one's habit is.
 
2012-05-16 02:30:42 PM  
Alternate Headline:

On this day in 1988, scientists discovered that cocaine and heroin are no more addictive than nicotine, and yet we still don't allow them to be sold in stores across the country.
 
2012-05-16 02:32:44 PM  

lh6.googleusercontent.com



punkhippie: People still quit cigarettes if they really want to


Yup! (quit for a full year, cold turkey -- with the help of cannabis) If you really want to quit... you'll quit. (Availability at every pharmacy and convenience store in the nation doesn't help.)

People who use the patch or some other method to 'distract' them from their nicotine cravings are simply looking for a placebo to blame when they 'fail.'

/no drug can turn you into a raving homicidal maniac
//US government plays on ignorant fears
 
2012-05-16 02:37:57 PM  
We're all adults here. Tell me again why we need elected officials to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies?
 
2012-05-16 02:43:29 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: italie: LarryDan43: Withdrawals from heroin seems a bit worse than cigarettes. Although I suppose neither kill like that withdrawal from alcohol. Unless you're taking chantix.

Heroine is a quiet killer. It ain't the detox that'll kill you, but life after detox that is the killer there.

I tend to disagree. On opiates I hated the constant headaches and itchyness. after the detox,
the clearheadedness and normal feeling (plus normal bowel movements) made it all worth while.


Point taken (and glad you got clean), but not everyone deals as well with the clear head.
 
2012-05-16 02:43:59 PM  
hartzdog

We're all adults here. Tell me again why we need elected officials to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies?

I completely agree. I can't remember (ha) what I was watching but some politicians have been heard saying that they are like our parents and they make decisions to help their children make better decisions. (something like that)

They really do look down at us.
 
2012-05-16 02:44:16 PM  

hartzdog: We're all adults here. Tell me again why we need elected officials to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies?


You presume it's your body.
 
2012-05-16 02:44:32 PM  
FYI: You can do Heroin (copyright Bayer Inc) everyday for the rest of your life, provided you had a clean and steady source, and live with no appreciable damage to your body or 'mind'.
 
2012-05-16 02:48:09 PM  

hartzdog: We're all adults here. Tell me again why we need elected officials to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies?


because you were born into a democratic republic that was founded over 200 years ago and since then has become quite corrupt?
 
2012-05-16 02:48:46 PM  

urban.derelict: quit for a full year, cold turkey -- with the help of cannabis


urban.derelict: People who use...some other method to 'distract' them from their nicotine cravings are simply looking for a placebo to blame when they 'fail.'


What a pathetic weakling you are. Looking for a placebo to blame when you fail. Just light up one more smoke and remember the days when you had integrity. Do it. Smoke.
 
2012-05-16 02:50:26 PM  
We treat nicotine in a much more reasonable way than other substances. Use it or abuse it and you can die from it, but it's your choice.
 
2012-05-16 02:51:02 PM  

lewismarktwo: FYI: You can do Heroin (copyright Bayer Inc) everyday for the rest of your life, provided you had a clean and steady source, and live with no appreciable damage to your body or 'mind'.


Not anymore bro.

it's ILLEGAL.
meaning you better switch to oxycontin or heroin. then get off with that heroin shiat.
 
2012-05-16 02:52:41 PM  

JackieRabbit: There's only one problem. Cocaine is not a physically addictive substance. There is a moderate psychological addiction, but this is easily remedied. During Ronnie the Raygun's War on Drugs (you'll remember that war, since it eradicated drugs around the globe and everyone switched to popsicles for their kicks), the government started calling it addictive to discourage use of it. That worked very well, too. Just as their telling us tat pop was addictive worked in the 1960s.


Which is worse, a drug that can make you physically ill for a week or two, or a drug that owns your soul? The idea that physical addiction is worse than psychological addiction is uncommon among people who have some personal experience with it.

Imagine if you had to choose between two realities:
1) your whole family finds out you chose to spend all your kids' college savings on cocaine
2) your family and the college savings is fine, but you have the flu for two weeks.

Which is worse, the physical pain, or the psychological pain?

I got physically addicted to percoset (a mix of oxycodone and tylenol) after a really bad injury when I was taking it for months on end. When I stopped taking it, I felt like I had the flu. Sweats, shakes, nausea. So I went back on it, and tapered my dose down over about a week, and after that I was fine. Breaking physical addiction is easy. Opiates have never been a problem for me. I don't particularly like them unless I'm in pain, and I have never been psychologically addicted to them.

I have been addicted to nicotine for decades, though. Clean 4 years now, but still a nicotine addict. I was a huge jerk to everyone I love for about two weeks after I quit. I've done coke a couple times. I liked coke so much that it scared me, having been through the hell of nicotine withdrawal. I think quitting coke would be much worse than nicotine, if you developed the habit.

Psychological addiction is what makes you care about getting the drug more than you care about your friends, your family, and your body. That's the hard part.
 
2012-05-16 02:54:30 PM  
We should allow heroin and cocaine to be sold in stores too. Addictions should be solely medical matters, not a criminal justice issue.
 
2012-05-16 02:56:27 PM  

Aarontology: Weaver95: cannabis has several well documented medical uses, few to no significant side effects and isn't addictive...but its listed as Schedule I. Nicotine is just as addictive as heroin, and has limited (if no) medical value and isn't restricted at all.

Well yeah, it's really stupid how drug classification works since it's more based upon politics than anything else.


Really. I always thought it was based upon how farked up and incapacitated it made you. fark, why isn't sniffing gas or glue legal since smelling roses is. There can't be as many stupid people on Fark as most of these comments seem to indicate. Good God, you people simply like to see yourselves type, don't you?
 
2012-05-16 02:58:48 PM  
I'll take Tobacco Lobbies for $1000 Alex
 
2012-05-16 03:01:02 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: We should allow heroin and cocaine to be sold in stores too. Addictions should be solely medical matters, not a criminal justice issue.


medical matters? but it's a recreational matter if legalized?

cause there are no harmful effects of cocaine and heroin??

/injects LSA into his eye
 
2012-05-16 03:01:07 PM  

lewismarktwo: FYI: You can do Heroin (copyright Bayer Inc) everyday for the rest of your life, provided you had a clean and steady source, and live with no appreciable damage to your body or 'mind'.


I dunno about that. You gotta poop eventually.
 
2012-05-16 03:02:54 PM  
One and done -- eltejohn for the win.
 
2012-05-16 03:10:59 PM  

hovsm: CheekyMonkey: hovsm: Probably because nicotine has never been linked to killing a single person in human history.

mooseyfate: Heroin and cocaine can kill you. Easily. Nicotine? Well, you'd pretty much have to choose that fate, wouldn't you?

Nicotine has a higher toxicity than cocaine.

I was referring to the traditional, recreational uses of tobacco. Sure, you can die from nicotine poisoning, just like you can die from too much water.


Heroin and cocaine deaths are also the result of traditional, recreational uses.
 
2012-05-16 03:10:59 PM  

Soulcatcher: caution: So what? Nicotine by itself likely won't kill you. It's not a carcinogen either.

Stop consuming it by inhaling fumes from burning plant matter and get an e-cig vaporizer instead.

That's exactly what I did. Quit smoking analogs 3 months ago! The e-cig was the best money I've ever spent- I feel loads better and everything I own doesn't smell like burning turds anymore, now it smells like blueberry pancakes =]


This Friday will be 2 weeks of no analogs. Loving it. Went with a KR808 kit to start. Got a guy local that has good prices on juice. 12bux for 30ml. A 15ml bottle lasted me almost 10 days. Right now it's a menthol mix he made for me, but I do plan to venture put in to the flavors. I just don't wanna go mod nuts and spend all my savings on hardware. Clearomizers have my attention at the moment. Probably gonna pick up a few soon. Oy tho never realized just how badly my car reeked. Owned it for 8 years and smoked in it the whole time.
 
2012-05-16 03:16:14 PM  
Cold Turkey quitting nicotine won't kill you. Cold Turkey quitting heroin, cocaine and alcohol will.

Which one did you want to ban and why?

Successful Suicide is LEGAL in the United States, killing others isn't.
 
2012-05-16 03:17:28 PM  

valar_morghulis: the immediate effects of smoking are far, far worse than that of eating a serving of, say, cocoa puffs


you sound fat
 
2012-05-16 03:17:30 PM  
I'm 4 days into my 'freedom" from smoking.

I listened to Allen Carr's Easyway audio book 3 times*. I'm recommending it. Even if you do not intend to quit. It is a break down of nicotine addiction. Just interesting; that is all. I can imagine a smoker could read it, dismiss it, but if ever they quit later, they will remember the book.

*it took 3 times for it to "gel", it was worth it, and there was nothing to lose in reading a book. It feels 100x better than the 5 times I used the patch/gum/will power. It feels permentent.
 
2012-05-16 03:20:59 PM  

Nick the What:

permanent

 
2012-05-16 03:21:14 PM  
pot smokers can't get it together long enough to put together a strong lobby.
 
2012-05-16 03:21:24 PM  

downstairs: I've never met anyone who's used cocaine all day, every day, for 40+ years and lived.


danshamptons.com
 
2012-05-16 03:23:08 PM  
......yet we still allow it to be sold in stores across the country

......yet we still allow it to be sold in stores across the country


Sure, that's the answer Expand prohibition.


/// subtard is 'tarded.

Sure, that's the answer Expand prohibition.


/// subtard is 'tarded.

wtf is wrong with fark? how is this getting a "Throwing away malformed URL: 404 bad hostname "
 
2012-05-16 03:24:06 PM  

RobSeace: downstairs: I've never met anyone who's used cocaine all day, every day, for 40+ years and lived.

[danshamptons.com image 320x320]


There are superstars in every field of human endeavor, and his liver is the eighth wonder of the modern world.
 
2012-05-16 03:25:56 PM  

Weaver95: Weaver95: Aarontology: heroin and cocaine aren't illegal because they are addictive.

so why are the they Schedule II?

gotdammit. I need coffee.


Why isn't caffeine schedule 2?
 
2012-05-16 03:26:54 PM  

jaybeezey: pot smokers can't get it together long enough to put together a strong lobby.


The medical marijuana lobby is gaining strength. The legalization lobby is just troubled by the fact that most people who really want to speak for them shouldn't and the people who should won't.

The guy wearing a "legalize it" shirt walking around stoned at 2 PM is not a good voice for the movement. The guy in a suit who smokes regularly without farking himself over is too interested in not farking himself over to go out of his way to seem like a stoner in public.
 
2012-05-16 03:28:05 PM  

tricycleracer: snowjack: Also curious how they came up with such a low harm number for such a varied and generally carcinogenic category as 'solvents.'

That's it. I'm off the hooch and back to huffing gold spray paint. You know, for my health.


WARRIORS!
 
2012-05-16 03:29:24 PM  
I don't think the imperial federal govt has any busness telling anyone what they can put into thier own body.
 
2012-05-16 03:29:41 PM  
 
2012-05-16 03:29:57 PM  

prjindigo: Cold Turkey quitting nicotine won't kill you. Cold Turkey quitting heroin, cocaine and alcohol will.

Which one did you want to ban and why?

Successful Suicide is LEGAL in the United States, killing others isn't.


You will not die quitting heroin or cocaine cold turkey. Hardcore alcoholics will need medical assistance or they may die.
Know of which you speak fellow farker, I've done two stints in rehab and learned quite a bit about addiction.
 
2012-05-16 03:31:51 PM  

urban.derelict: lh6.googleusercontent.com

//US government plays on ignorant fears


I love how making opium illegal is a racist plot against the Chinese, but keeping the opium trade going in China was also a racist plot against the Chinese.

So which is it?
 
2012-05-16 03:33:43 PM  

RobSeace: downstairs: I've never met anyone who's used cocaine all day, every day, for 40+ years and lived.

[danshamptons.com image 320x320]


Damn, I *knew* someone was going to post a pic of Keith when I said that.

Kudos!
 
2012-05-16 03:34:39 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Nicotine toxicology yes it can kill you


great episode of Columbo
 
2012-05-16 03:34:39 PM  

RobSeace: and lived.


Keith Richards is a lich. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-05-16 03:35:29 PM  

snowjack: RobSeace: downstairs: I've never met anyone who's used cocaine all day, every day, for 40+ years and lived.

[danshamptons.com image 320x320]

There are superstars in every field of human endeavor, and his liver is the eighth wonder of the modern world.


www.replikultes.net

"This may be the reason why Keith cannot be killed by conventional weapons."
 
2012-05-16 03:35:32 PM  
FirstNationalBastard:

So, make heroin and cocaine legal and sell it in stores across the country.

Problem solved.


I came here to say this. Now I'm glad great minds think alike.

But I'm not kidding, are you?
 
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